 Good morning everyone. Good morning mangi. Yes, okay. So let's pray together and then we can go forward Just want to check. Simran, are you able to pray? Are you comfortable to pray? Prabhakar, Prabhakar Prabhakar Yes, Pastor Me or Prabhakar? Yeah, either one of you Both of you are Prabhakars No problem, go ahead I should have specified Prabhakar from which phase of it No, it's okay, Pastor Okay, okay, yeah, go ahead Thank you Hallelujah, hallelujah Praise Lord, praise Lord We have any father, we praise you We acknowledge your holy name We adore you, exalt your holy name, Father At this moment we come to your throne of grace, Father We are about to start this new class, Father Bless each and everyone Let your Holy Spirit lead us To which whatever you want to teach us, Lord, let us learn in that way And Father, bless Pastor Nancy also So that we all can learn the way we want to teach us, Father Bless each and every moment of this two hours class And let it be productive I dedicate each and every member of this classroom two years of grace Bless them, bestow them with your grand knowledge and wisdom I ask this prayer in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ Amen Thank you, Pastor Amen, thank you Prabhakar for leading us So we have been studying from the APC publication called Kingdom Builders And last class we touched upon the Holy Spirit being the director So the essence of what we are saying is that Kingdom building is about doing the will of the Father We could be doing many things But it does not necessarily serve the purposes of God directly Okay, so we could pick anything that we want to do And just tag it as God's will and get going with that But the fruit will come The lasting results will come only when we are directed by the Holy Spirit And the Holy Spirit is the one who directs us in the will of the Father And then we saw how the works of the flesh You know, things that we may want to do out of wrong motivation So works of the flesh would include things like jealousy, anger, bitterness, covetousness You know, sexual immorality There are so many works of the flesh Now if any of those are the motivation for us You know, pride, selfish ambition So if any of these are our motivation to do the work of God Then obviously, you know, God is not going to bless it or God is not going to anoint it It's only the work of the Spirit that will be anointed So we must be very careful about not giving birth to the works of the flesh Now we also said that when we do give birth to the works of the flesh Then that is what causes a lot of problems in our lives Not necessarily the enemy trying to attack us But many times, you know, we looked at the life of Abraham and said that The challenges that Isaac faced was because of the work of the flesh As compared to the work of the Spirit So when does this happen? When we are not following the will of God We have to follow the work of the Spirit in our lives And then we saw how the Holy Spirit really directs us into the Father's will From the book of Acts, there were so many examples of how the Holy Spirit led the early apostles The way Philip was led We saw that sometimes God made just put a very small impression on our hearts In the case of Philip, it was like a short sentence that came into his spirit Go near and overtake this chariot And when he followed that, he could minister to the Ethiopian eunuch Who was the open door to the continent of Africa So might things happen when we obey the still small voice of the Holy Spirit And in our consideration, they could be very insignificant from things But in God's eyes, our obedience can work wonders for the extension of his kingdom Then we also saw the example of Peter When God tells him to get up and go with the men who come to take him someplace And basically the Gospel was going to be preached to a Gentile family Cornelius and his family and they accept Christ and they are filled with the Holy Spirit So that's like the Gospel going to the community of the Gentiles But how did all this happen when people followed the instructions of the Holy Spirit? So what are we saying? We are saying when we are building the kingdom of God This is not a kingdom which can be built with our own natural planning and strategizing And research and understanding and knowledge and all of that But the kingdom of God has to be built with kingdom resources So the kingdom of God, we need to be directed by the Holy Spirit in the way that he wants us to go That's when we will give birth to the work of the Spirit It will be anointed, it will be a blessing to the people And we know that whatever work the Holy Spirit does, we ask those questions Like how do we know that something is the work of the Spirit? We know by answering the questions, who does this glorify? If it is glorifying the name of Jesus, then we know that the Holy Spirit is giving birth to the purpose or the cause And the other question that we have to answer is what is my motivation? If our motivation is based in love, then yes, again we can validate and say that God is leading us in this direction So these are some key things that we learned in the last class And also we touched upon how the Holy Spirit communicates with us Now this cannot be covered in an exhaustive manner In this session, there will be an entire course on this understanding the prophetic So if you are interested, you can go read that ABC publication And also from time to time we have the weekend schools that are run here in Bangalore So those of us who are in Bangalore and it's open to all churches So if you have the time, you can join us for a weekend school where we talk about how the Holy Spirit communicates And how we can flow in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, especially the prophetic So that will be a good training, it will be broken down In a way that even those who have never learnt on this subject can pick up things And we also generally have practice sessions where we can flow in the prophetic And understand how the Holy Spirit communicates with us So if you are around when these weekend schools happen and just hoping next year These COVID restrictions will be completely lifted and we should be able to do them So please do join it So some things that were listed about the promptings of the Holy Spirit Where the quickening of the word of God, still a small inner voice We said a flash of information can come into our spirit A knowing on the inside can come into our spirit God can lead us through the peace that fills our hearts We could also receive this communication of ideas You could just have a thought or there can be a picture that you receive in your heart There can be a prophetic word which is spoken over us And that prophetic word reveals what God wants to do through us Or we can have dreams and visions The last supernatural hour I remember Pastor asked all of us if you had any dreams recently And the Holy Spirit is speaking to you Do share it with the rest of us So God speaks through dreams, he speaks through visions That also is the direction of the Holy Spirit There can also be physical manifestations of God's presence These are all ways in which God communicates Extremely exciting, I feel like going into examples But I just have to hold back and stick to the subject here So when we establish an unbreakable communion with the Holy Spirit He communicates in all these ways and he shows us what direction we should move in So now we are specifically talking about Kingdom building So let's say as a pastor or some of you could be in the Apostolic calling Or some of you could be in the teaching calling And not just that, we have the 5-fold ministry offices But we know that there are other gifts as well I think Romans 12 covers that these are the grace gifts that God gives us We could be administration, we could be in the area of leadership We could be in the area of help So there are different kinds of services that we can be engaged in Which is also from the Lord So wherever we are, we can really be directed by the Spirit of God And the Spirit of God can guide us How should we do something or is this the right time for me to step out and serve in a certain manner The Holy Spirit can guide every single one of us Whether it is the office gifts, whether it is the grace gifts or whatever else we are engaging in So for Kingdom building, this is the bottom line of what we are discussing Since the last session, be led by the Holy Spirit If we are not led by the Holy Spirit, it's like we can serve But that may not be the cutting edge of what God wants to do in us and through us So the quest of our hearts must always be like, God, what is it that you want me to do And what is it that you want me to do now? Go by that The Holy Spirit will show us in all these ways Impression, peace, prophecy, so many ways So we pick that up and we move in that direction And that becomes a fulfilling way in which we are building the Kingdom of God And let's not forget Kingdom building is about co-laboring with God We said that in the very first chapter We said that we must honour the King It's about serving him And it's about working together with him So that is why the Holy Spirit as the director is so important Otherwise we are directing things We are taking things in our own hands But that's not Kingdom building Kingdom building has to do with serving the purposes of God So we are but co-labourers We walk in incredible dominion, authority We walk in victory but we must never forget that there is a King So we move via subject And then we said that life of surrender, brokenness So dependence on God is what makes the Kingdom building very, very effective So now that we are discussing about serving the purposes of God We will touch on some other key aspects today So it's important to know what God wants us to do But it's also important to discern the Spirit's timing So remember, I think we discussed this We said that at the time when Paul wanted to go into Asia And within here, God did not allow the Holy Spirit to restrain him And said, no, now you have to go to Macedonia So it's also about the timing of God So we hear what God wants us to do and do it at the right time So one of the ways in which we can become very sensitive to hearing from the Holy Spirit Is to pray in the Spirit And we discussed this in the prayer and intercession class Where we said that when we pray in the Holy Spirit Now what really happens is the revelation of God is imparted into our Spirit Now yes, the Bible says 1 Corinthians 14-2 That when we pray in the Spirit, we speak mysteries unto God It bypasses our understanding But something is going on within our Spirit Which can be revealed to us again by the Holy Spirit So 1 Corinthians 2 verses 9-10 and 16 They tell us that these things which are too good to be true No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived The things that God has prepared for those who love Him So these are mysterious things which are in the heart of God for us Good things for us But we don't have to live our lives thinking I have no access to what God wants me to do I can't know it I just have to go one day at a time And I can't know God's plan for my life So the Bible clearly says that yes there are beautiful things Hidden things in God but the Spirit of God is revealed to us So when I engage in praying in the Spirit What happens in a way I am inviting the Holy Spirit to come and impart that into my Spirit And the Holy Spirit is also able to help me understand what is being imparted Obviously because we know that tongues is... It's a language that our mind cannot understand We may not know everything of what we are speaking And God may not think that it's necessary for us to know everything But whatever we need to know The Holy Spirit can definitely bring it to our understanding So when we are building the kingdom of God This is a very useful practice that we can engage in Even on a daily basis, constantly take time to pray in the Spirit Spend time praying in tongues And just stir yourself up in the Spirit So that way we will be led in the direction where the Holy Spirit wants us to go So praying in the Spirit aligns us to God's will for our lives There are a couple of scriptures given there How the Holy Spirit helps us in our weaknesses And you know how He prays through us When we pray in the Spirit So yeah, it's a very important practice for a kingdom builder Now moving on to the next section here So all this was kind of touching on what we had discussed last class Now moving on to the next section Which is understanding the work of the Spirit from the birth of Jesus And Pastor has titled this The Mary Miracle And one interesting fact about this I don't know what to call it But section because apparently he preached this on a Sunday On a Christmas Sunday And okay, Christmas day He preached it on a Christmas day And Pastor had shared how this sermon came about So he said that generally he's very well prepared for the sermon You know he writes it out thoroughly, elaborately With many details But for whatever reason On this Christmas morning he had not been able to write down the sermon So he was praying about it And he kind of did not get confirmation in his spirit as to what he must preach So it was a very unusual Christmas day So he went and this was back when you did not need to let the worship team know And the media team know what subject they were to preach Because they had to come up with graphics and all of that But you know at that time I think he could just go and deliver the message So he had not told anybody what the topic would be And he shared how he was sitting on his chair and thinking Oh goodness worship is ending I don't know the title of my sermon And then he shared that when he went from the chair to the pulpit Something happened in between Remember we were talking about the promptings of the Holy Spirit And how the knowledge of the Lord When we study about the prophetic we'll see He says that I received the knowledge of the Lord The heavenly download It was as if the message just came into his spirit Like in a few seconds And he walked up to the pulpit and he shared this message After he shared the message he came back into notes And that's how it is there in our publication here today Because this was something that he kind of received Like in moments I mean I don't know how else to explain that But something that received the knowledge of the Lord And he titled the message as the merry miracle Alright so What can we learn from the birth of Jesus What can we learn about kingdom building From the incarnation of the Lord Jesus So basically the Son of God left behind his heavenly glory And he became a human being A fully man And this happened through the life of a willing virgin young woman Called Mary So the merry miracle teaches us several things about Releasing the work of God Releasing the kingdom work of God through human vessels And that's what we will understand and learn from this So one key lesson that we learn is Now the work of the spirit is released into the earth at the appointed time Now in the book of Genesis We know that God promised That there will be the seed of the woman That will crush the head of the serpent This is in Genesis 315 So God had promised redemption God had promised victory over the devil He had promised victory Conquest over Satan Earlier in the book of Genesis But it wasn't until 4000 years Or 4000 years later Jesus Christ was born He was born through Mary So what do we understand from this Okay let me read scripture here This is Galatians 4.4 That when the fullness of the time had come God sent forth his son born of a woman Born under the law So in the fullness of time Now God releases the intended work Or the promised work So even in our lives God can speak And he can reveal many things And say this is what I am going to do in your life Or in your family Or in your nation Or it could concern your church Anything It could concern different spheres that we are engaged in But there is a timing associated with it Now just because the promise of God has been released It doesn't mean that it is going to come to pass tomorrow We have to wait upon the law And in the case of the birth of Jesus Of a side 4000 years prior God had already promised it But it was in the fullness of time That the son of God was made manifest So this is something we understand This is how God releases his work His intention comes earlier The knowledge of his intention comes earlier And then comes the actual release of the work of God So the fullness of time Is something that we must remember And we will do it in the fullness of this time Ok, what else can we see From the birth of Jesus The work of the spirit is released through ordinary people So now we know there are hundreds of masyamic prophecies In the Old Testament One of which is Isaiah 7 14 Where we see that You know the Lord promised The Lord himself will give you a sign Behold, the virgin shall conceive And bear a son And shall call his name in January Ok, it's unheard of A virgin shall conceive That's why it's a sign Because that's not the norm In the world So when God wants to release His purpose In the case of Mary Jesus, the birth of Jesus Was the purpose that she was going to release Now just think about this God could have chosen I don't know Maybe a princess Or maybe Somebody who was very well accomplished Like a Deborah or someone She's a leader Like an army commander Somebody who's accomplished Or he could have chosen A mother of I don't know, maybe four children Or five children That woman would probably Have a better experience Of raising the son of God But based on the messianic prophecy That God had already spoken And said there is going to be a sign A virgin shall conceive A young woman A very inexperienced woman By the name of Mary Was chosen And she was a virgin And we're thinking God You're taking a very big risk Why would you want An ordinary individual To give birth to the son of God What if she doesn't carry the baby properly Or what if she doesn't take care Of herself during the pregnancy There are lots of risks involved But God is not afraid Of entrusting His dream His purpose to ordinary people And in this case, he chose Mary And that gives us a lot of encouragement Today, we might look at ourselves And say, oh, so ordinary What can I do for God There are so many of us In the body of Christ We think God can't do anything through my life But that's not how God works God works through Seemingly ordinary people To release great and mighty Works of God And the beauty about Mary was That she was obedient The promise came to her In Luke 1.38 She says, Behold the maid servant Of the Lord, let it be to me According to your word Okay, other translation According to your will So she was just an obedient Person Though not experienced But God was happy And she was blessed And God affirmed Gave her the assurance and said Blessed is she who believed For there will be a fulfillment of those things Which were told her from the Lord So God blessed her Because of her obedience And her willingness to release The work of God in the world So that is the way in which God works He works through ordinary people To release extraordinary things Okay, so here is the next lesson That we learn from the birth of Jesus The work of the spirit Must be unadulterated Or born purely of his spirit So in the case of Mary It was quite clear How was Jesus conceived in her womb By being overshadowed by the Holy Spirit It was There was nothing additional To explain the birth of Jesus So in the same way In our lives, when we heal to the Spirit We allow the Holy Spirit to work Being overshadowed by the Holy Spirit We are able to release the works of the kingdom Now this is where Our personal work with the Lord comes into picture This is where our time in the world Our obedience to God Our surrender and our submission To the King in our lives Our communion with the Holy Spirit So many things We discussed about incubation earlier So how does that incubation happen Unless we are completely immersed in God In his word, in his spirit So when we live a life like that It's like what Mary was able to produce Overshadowed by the Holy Spirit Jesus was conceived in her So overshadowed by the Holy Spirit Overshadowed by the work of the word in our lives We bring forth something We release something We call it ministry But that has to be by the Spirit Unadulterated It must not be We term it and say the work of the flesh So no work of the flesh Unadulterated, pure work of the Spirit And that is the kind of work That really blesses the world And that's a lesson we learn That we must release The work that is released By the work of the Spirit in our lives So we are coming to the next lesson That we learn from the birth of Jesus And this is When Mary said Be it unto me, according to your will When she gave it to God's purpose for her life And I don't know what she thought She must have thought, oh wow Now God has celebrated me And said, no the angel said Oh, highly favored of the Lord And she must have rejoiced over What has happened The experience she had The promise that came to her But little did she know That the world will not be ready To accept a virgin who's pregnant And at that point We also know that she was betrothed to Joseph So the work of God which was conceived in her Became a matter of embarrassment We really don't know all that she went through She must have thought People are also going to call me Highly favored of the Lord But was that the case? I don't think so In an orthodox Sort of a strict Jewish culture She must have had insults She must have heard People calling her names People must have blamed her And what about Joseph? Matthew 119 it says Then Joseph's husband being a just man And not wanting to make her a public example Was minded to put her away secretly So even the person that she was to be married to Initially what were his thoughts? He could not receive the work That God was going to do to Mary Obviously Mary would have been embarrassed herself To carry a child Carry a baby Without being married And here is Joseph Who's thinking this is an embarrassment How can I trust this woman? Being a just man Thankfully he says let me do this secretly I'll just put her away quietly What God does is Even though the work of God sometimes Can bring a lot of confusion Shame, misunderstanding In our relationships Discouragement Because people don't understand We understand This is what God wants me to do I'm doing this But people may not understand But thank God God is faithful The inner circle of Mary in a way Though Joseph decided on that God spoke to Joseph as well And said don't put her away So God communicated that to Joseph So he was in full knowledge About the work of God And he was willing to support Mary In what God was going to Release through her And we also know her own cousin Elizabeth She was filled with the Holy Spirit And she speaks to Mary When they meet So God is faithful in that sense The people who are important in our lives The ones who need to stand with us For us to do the work of God So God will communicate with them And God will put it on their hearts as well So it doesn't matter You don't have the larger crowd supporting you But it's very important to have good people Encouraging people People who trust in the vision The dream that God has put in our hearts Surrounding us And God is faithful to do that You know we will at least have our inner circle Who will understand that hey this is not an embarrassment The world cannot understand But God is going to release a great work through This particular individual Or God is going to release a great work through our family So that is the next lesson that we learn So the work of the spirit Might be a cause of embarrassment But God is faithful to help us Navigate through it And we must not let the know of the world You know the naysayers of the world To break our spirit To marry that way We must really appreciate her We don't know what she went through But she didn't give up She came to full term And actually delivered the Christ child So do we have that kind of an endurance To hold on and to release the work of God No matter what So moving on to the next lesson here The work of the spirit is released Through normal natural processes So when you try to understand In the case of Mary We would think Jesus is being born The angels came and later on When Jesus was born they came They sang a multitude of angels So this is a grand event This is a grand I don't know what term to use it Global is a small word there Heaven and earth are concerned In this matter So it's an incredible event That is taking place We might think God Now that you are sending your son Jesus Who is so special How could you make it like A sign or a wonder First of all the virgin is conceiving That is a sign Now what if Mary conceives By the power of the Holy Spirit on day one She reaches full term on day two And then the baby is born on day three Wouldn't that go into the archives of history That here is a woman who was pregnant And delivered all in three days All in three days And people will know that God Is engaged in this amazing delivery Of the Christ child But just take a look at how it happened It was a normal process It was a normal earthly human process So Mary conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit And then what? She had like every other woman Nine months of carrying the child And then the senses happened And they had to travel on a donkey And find a place And then she actually delivered the baby So nothing special about the process That God followed to bring his own son To the earth And we might think God what is this? You're releasing the work of the spirit Why can't it be a supernatural process? But no, God uses natural processes So what is our understanding from this? You know Paul in his ministry He says 1st Corinthians 1510 Paul says But by the grace of God I am what I am And his grace toward me was not in vain But I labored more abundantly than they all Yet not I But the grace of God which was with me So Paul understood this Sorry everyone I don't know what happened I just got disconnected But that's okay So I'll just come back to what I was saying So I was saying that Apostle Paul also understood That natural processes need to be followed For us to release the work of the spirit Okay Yeah can you all hear me now? Can you hear me okay? Yes ma'am Okay great yes Thank you Thank you sure So we'll continue I think someone's mic is not muted Oh yeah Alright thank you Okay so here's the next lesson for us We might encounter closed doors Until we reach God's appointed place So again you know so interesting Just think about this The savior of the world is being born And the son of God is coming to the earth It could have been like You know God chose the best airline And it was a smooth landing With you know people standing all around And clapping and inviting the son of God You know Mary could have had that kind of a delivery But in reality what happened You know the census was announced And they had to go you know to their town And over there they are going from in to in And knocking and asking you know is there a place Is there a place is there a place And there was no place And we are thinking wow God what is this You know you are the best organiser You manage the sun and the moon And you know the names of the stars Why couldn't there be a nice place For your son to be born Why wasn't there an arrangement made before In the end there was no place available And Joseph had to pick you know a manger Right and that was the place Where Jesus was born So what do we learn from this You know what it is the purpose of God That we are carrying in our hearts It is the dream that God has put in our hearts But in the journey it's possible That we experience no closed door Disappointment discouragement right And we don't know what Mary and Joseph went through They must have thought did we hear God wrong What's going on you know It wasn't in God's idea that we carry this baby And here's God he has not given us a place Also for the baby to be born I don't know I really don't know What kind of thoughts went through their minds But finally they found a cattle shed Obviously it was not the best place Right but it was the right place It was the right place for the birth Of the little baby And God directed them after many closed doors To the right place where the child would be born Now why did God do this God does not do anything without purpose Okay so we know that there is a reason Why God did these things as we think through this As we meditate on this We can really understand the heart of God You know the king of the world A lot of lords the king of kings Was born in such humility He really teaches us He did not expect the grand entrance He came to serve the world He came to save that which was lost And the way he chose to enter the world Though he is the owner of the world Is in such a humble way In a manger And it shows the humility In the life of Jesus for us Now again Philippians 2 it says He left behind his heavenly glory He humbled himself Okay and the manger is a picture of that The humility that Christ Jesus carried And God was trying to reveal that to us Now Mary and Joseph I don't know Whether they understood all these things But they were obedient When the doors were shut They were not discouraged They knocked till they found the manger And finally the Lord Jesus was Birthed in the manger Now what happens if we get all Worked up in the flesh And we say no Why is the work of God delaying I will make it happen So this make it happen is very dangerous That's what Abraham did And that's how Ishmael was born So we have to go with The flow of the spirit Yes we can have closed doors But don't try to make the doors open In God's timing According to God's purpose The right door will open The right place will be prepared And that's the place to give birth To the promise and the purpose of God Okay let me just quickly cover A few more points here Okay so the next insight that we get Is the work of the spirit Often has a simple Humble beginning So the way we saw Jesus was born Not in a rich home Or a palace or a deluxe Or a luxury retreat center Or a hotel or something like that No but he was born in a small place In Bethlehem he was born In the lowliest of all places In fact a cattle shed And we think We can look at that and say What is this beginning To the saviour entering the world Sometimes the work of God In our lives also may look like that God has put a dream in our hearts Or maybe a church planting You started your day one of church planting You put flyers, newspaper Everywhere people know about it Facebook advertisement, WhatsApp Everything and you're starting your church Okay that day 9 am Worship starts Maybe two singers are there And you start the service Then you open your eyes To start ministering There are only three people in front of you Maybe your family member and the two worship leaders Thinking God nobody came to the launch Service of this church What is happening Humble beginning But we must not discredit the work of God When we see humble beginnings Because that's what God's word says That do not Despite the day of small beginnings Akariah 410 And of course we know God says it's not by might Nor by power but by the Holy Spirit God will cause all things to take place Okay so here is the next lesson The last lesson here in our notes From the Mary Miracle What we see In the way the Lord Jesus was born And He developed Or grew Is that He also did not Shortcut the process So we read in the scripture that the child grew In wisdom, stature, favor with man Favor with God So the natural process was Followed And During that process what about Mary and Joseph How did they take care of Jesus They took care of him like any other normal Child What if they did not Take good care of Jesus if they didn't Protect him if they You know neglected him and all of that Like from what we understand He grew pretty okay He grew fine and then you know He was serving as a carpenter So Mary and Joseph Nurtured the work of God You know once you give birth to the work of God That's not the end That's the beginning And then comes into play Our nurturing, our protecting Our taking care of the Work of God and we must be faithful To do that and don't give up On the work of God Till we have done What God has asked us to do To bring it to completion You know there was a time when Joseph could have made the wrong move He God warned him in a dream and said Look here it is after Children of this age and Jesus might die If you are here So you take this route And get out of here So God warned him in a dream And Joseph was careful to preserve the work of God So this is also something we must recognize We release the work Until the end That's just the beginning We have to continue with it Fulfill God's purpose for our lives And protect, nurture Cause God's work to grow And that is also a responsibility Which we carry So that is the last Inside here from the Mary miracle And I am going to pause I hope it was a blessing Because every time I read it Every time I hear it I am always there In these insights And I am sure you know Pastor received it from heaven Any thoughts Class, any comments Additional comments, questions We could take that up before we move on To the next section So yeah feel free And I lost the chat Because I got disconnected So if there were any questions on the chat earlier Please to post it again Yes is Anita Yes please It's really like a wonder We cannot understand God's ways actually Today also In the middle of the pandemic If we have to see The situation of a gun church And so many things are happening With the believers also So maybe I am thinking The way for Jesus What happened and with Mary What happened So it won't be a surprise like what is happening right now With the church also Little bit of connection Yeah, yeah Anita thank you Thank you for sharing that I know the way we said Close doors are not Really close doors So we just got to open the right door At the right time Sure wonderful Anything else Thoughts Insights Long silence always makes me wonder if I am connected Or I got disconnected from the call Okay you are all still here Connected okay thank you everyone Okay Prabhakar We shouldn't Force open the doors Okay that is closed So that is something new for him Okay Samuel says Lots of downloads Sinking in wonderful Yeah Good good Yes okay Susan Yes Susan please go ahead I think you have a question Yes ma'am You said God will open the door At his right time So what about couples who go for test tube baby They should also wait For right time Or is it right Okay Yeah thank you Okay yeah thank you Susan So see Susan what I would say Is like you gave one example Of something that is not happening There is a delay in this case And the People are making an effort Okay so what I would say is Based on the promise of God I don't think it is wrong to attempt What is wrong is Doing it Out of fleshly motives And doing it knowing That it is not God's will Okay so if They already have a promise That they are going to have a child And for whatever reason right They have had all these delays And now the Option that God seems to be showing them is to go in for You know IVF Or something I don't see anything wrong With that and I don't think that Means pushing open the door They are very much in the will of God What is wrong with it Yeah they can be opposing Ideas I know among the group Is that okay Susan or you differ Yes But I was feeling like It is not the natural way What God wants to give at right time But now my Doubt is clear Okay thank you Thank you Susan do think about it See because See I do understand we as believers We want things to happen Like in a supernatural way The way you know Abraham and Sarah They were so old and they gave birth to A miracle child Now in the world That we live in right I am just taking into account like even healing We wanted to happen as a one-off thing But isn't it God Who has also given us The knowledge and the wisdom for medicines So Medic medicines The profession of You know the doctors and all It is a reflection of God only right So there's nothing wrong with taking medicines Or if God is showing a couple Okay you try it for whatever Reason it's not happening you go the medical way I don't see anything wrong with that But yeah you could Think about it and if you have a Difference of opinion that's fine too So okay Okay man open Yeah thank you Susan Okay I saw Say's hand go up first So I'm just going to quickly Comment Whatever decision we're going to take As long as the Holy Spirit Is in tune with us I think that's what's most important For some people The Holy Spirit can direct them To go ahead with IVF For some the Holy Spirit can Struck them to hold on You know I think we just need to be Open to the direction of the Holy Spirit And understand just like You mentioned that God is the giver of all wisdom The medical whatever Advances we're seeing in the medical field If God never allowed such wisdom They would never have seen Those things at the same time To medicine has its limits And God also has this power To show forth that look I am still greater than medicine So all in all Let's just be directed by the Spirit Whatever decisions we End up taking That's how I would just argue Sure say I agree with that Thank you so be led by the Spirit Class we'll just take few minutes and close off Okay Prabhakar you have a Question No Prasila I have But there's too many based on this Yes okay fine You can share after the break that's okay Alright and Shri Kumar says We should not take God's word and prophecy lightly We have to hold on to it and face every obstacle Yeah True Shri Kumar so We are saying the same thing And like If you're pointing to that IVF example Then again you know I say Being led by the Lord No Prasila it's about It's just not about IVF Thank you Okay sure sure sure Thank you understood Alright we agree with that too Shri Kumar and Beth says Yeah she agrees with Sai And when we are not sure Just keep pushing until something opens Mary and Joseph had no idea which door would open So they knocked on all While Knocking we assured in our heart God will open the right one and not get stressed Sure Beth yeah We do agree with that as well So on that positive Note of agreement Let's go for a break and we will be Back to continue Yeah see you at 11.05 Thank you