 Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Procrastinators podcast, the PCP, an internet show with internet boys on an internet sphere, just being themselves, creating things and loving life. I'm the best guy ever and today we're joined by Hippocrite. I'm embarrassed to be here. Excellent. Oh, she wears tiny hats. I'm so, so sorry. Tom Oliver? I got nothing, just go. How embarrassing. And Ben St. Nothing, nothing wrong with that. Ben St. famed for making the PCP late today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The performance of that excellent live action play. Yeah, I'm not the first, but I'll definitely be the last. Ben St. with this embarrassing track record of making the PCP late. Everything that just happened was really embarrassing and I won. Well, a great way to start us off and let's check in because the folks at home don't know what the fuck we're talking about. They don't even know the definition of the word embarrassment. So they've never heard this in their lives. I know that embarrasada in Spanish means pregnant. So let's just go with that. That'll be our working definition here. Embra. Oh, right. Urban dictionary, though, says embarrassment is the way people feel when they realize they've been spelling embarrassed wrong their whole lives. How do you spell it? Put it on screen, actually. You spell it with two R's and two S's and two T's. And two E's and two I's. Oh, oh, actually. And two feet, two hands. Wait a minute. He felt embarrassment that he had been spelling embarrassed with only one R. Obviously, he left an extremely interesting life. Wait, but embarrassment only has one R. Like on the screen before me, I'm looking at it. What the fuck? Oh, God, this is a nightmare. Doving down a rabbit hole. No, it has two R's, right? Yeah, I'm looking at it on Urban Dictionary. They just misspelled it and got the wrong definition here. I'm going to save the fucking name and save the podcast for you. Okay, seriously, I don't know. Edit this in or something. I think there should be there. Look at the thing here. That has one fucking R, even though in the example, it has two. Wait, the hashtag embarrassment has two R's, but the example there has one. And the top thing has one. Top definition. You spelled it wrong. Top definition. And that's what it comes up for, because you spelled it wrong. Embarrassment. An extremely sucking feeling that happens to adolescents, much too often where your cheeks get all red, red, like links to a new page, and you just, just links to a new page, want to curl up under a dark bed links to a new page for all of eternity and slash or die in a hole. Oh no, I get it. It gave me the shitty definition because I spelled it wrong. Yeah, that's extremely embarrassing for you. Oh, God, well. That's pretty great. That's pretty web 2.0. That's pretty advanced storytelling. Yeah. These definitions have a real narrative arc to them. They really do. They really do. What are we going to do when the dot com bubble bursts and Urban Dictionary goes under and gets bought out by Al Gore and Hillary Clinton's, you know, Harpy's? What are we going to do? Where are we going to get our top definitions from? Well, the currency of the world is going to shift to the dot com bubble when everyone's just going to trade porn all the time. And that's going to be the most lucrative. To shift to the Dogecoin, the most premier currency on the base of the planet. The only altcoin that matters, the Dogecoin. Let's get into the fucking episode, please. Yeah, please. Let's talk about embarrassment, guys. Are we embarrassing? Everything is humiliating and disgraceful. What even is embarrassment? I don't know. It's the worst. I'm going to personally destroy this topic and shift it not only to be embarrassment, but shame, because I think that's incredibly intro- They are definitely relating. They're a sure thing in my mind. And to start this episode off with a roaring start, a complete psychological thriller. I'm going to reveal a Homestuck-esque tier plot twist reveal here. It may, in fact, rattle your cerebellum to discover art and PCP fans, but I was not always through a pollucid kosher display of unadulterate, esteem, and respectable behavior. You see towering before you today. In my young, informative years, a.k.a. yesterday, I was actually an extremely easily embarrassed anxiety suckling. How did I make such a vivid transformation? I was just going to wait for my arm retrieval and embarrassingly, genuine, long speech at the end or halfway through this episode, and then you'll know. Very exciting. So there was a definitive moment for you when you no longer cared about anything? Is that what happened? Basically, yes. Okay, okay. Good. All right, well, okay, go. I said a thing. I thought you were going to do a whole... Okay, Gib, what does it mean to you to be embarrassed? Uh, I mean, it feels like you want to go away from people and you're like, oh, I sure wish I didn't do that. I mean, what do you want me to say? I'm able to tell me why you are a shame boy. I'm always embarrassed. I think I kind of like it, in fact. I think I'm Stockholm syndrome to embarrassment. If I'm not embarrassed, it seems I'm not trying, you know, hard enough to try too hard. Like if I'm not embarrassed about how hard I'm trying, then something's wrong. You know, I should never be comfortable in my skin. Gib, how does it feel for us to be embarrassed by you? How does that feel on your shoulders? Correct and appreciated. I don't know. We're not doing any specifics here. Somebody's got to have a specific humiliating story. That's the juiciest. Are we taking this at humiliating stories? Eventually. Eventually. Absolutely. Absolutely fucking lutely. But okay, in the meantime, Tom, what do you think about this? You seem like a deeply shameful boy. What do you think about this? I'm fucking horribly disgusting. No, I mean, Munchie brought up the point of shame. And I think shame does play a huge part in the embarrassment kind of role of everything. I think embarrassment is something you feel yourself and then shame is something society kind of projects. Like, shame is the social focused aiming of embarrassment. I don't know what that is, but I'm embarrassed that it's happening. Oh, how embarrassing. Oh, oh God. You should feel ashamed. We can just do that the whole time. Every time you flub or anyone flubs anything in this whole pod because it's like, oh, how embarrassing. How high is the title? Maybe if you should stop treading Doecoin. I got to train with Doecoin. This fucking Bitcoin bubble is about to burst. That's just a lot to let me know that Doecoin is going up and surging right now. Munchie's over there mining Doecoin with that thing right now, right now. He's mining Doecoin to trade that for me to draw my Bitcoin. And all the dogs just burst forth into his room and he has to go through it now. Dude, it's just like his Minecraft. He left, but he didn't mute himself? Oh, it's just like Undertale with the Doegs. All right, shut up, shut up right now. I have a tangential story about coins and bitcoins and cryptocurrencies and embarrassment. Bitcoin, obviously, it had a big old boom. Everyone was like, oh my god, Bitcoin, I'm a fucking millionaire. And I was like, can you trade that back for money? Because if you can, that's cool. And somebody said yes. So I was like, okay, I'll get a bit. And then I went on to a thing and I got an account and I bought 0.01% of one Bitcoin, which is still like 45 pounds or something. And I was thinking, all right, I'll come back and maybe this will be 50 pounds and I'll just cash it in and it'll be a nice little thing I did. Immediately, from that point, and I haven't checked, but I've checked like a couple times, it has done nothing but go down since then. When was this? It's the last few weeks or months. A couple of weeks, right? It was up at a certain point and it has just gone down since then. It may go back up, but it's very embarrassing that I bought it at the very... The reason it's gone down the last couple of weeks is because there was some legislation in China and South Korea about trading and mining, which are the two biggest places respectively for trading and mining. So it's been really fluctuating the last couple of weeks. They've got rich Bitcoin reserves under China's soil and you gotta get down there. I just thought it was... South Korea just said that they're actually not banning trading in South Korea, so it probably should stabilize relatively soon. So hold on to it. Okay. Well, I'm not gonna get rid of it until it has more money than I put in. My embarrassing story with Bitcoin, actually I do have an embarrassing story with Bitcoin, is that I was really into getting into cryptocurrency back when there was only Bitcoin and Litecoin. That was pretty much the only altcoin in circulation. And Bitcoin was worth about $483 for one Bitcoin. And I was interested in getting some Bitcoin, but at the time I naively was not aware that you could purchase fractions of a Bitcoin. I had like $100, but I thought you had to buy one whole Bitcoin. So I don't have $500 to buy a Bitcoin with, so I didn't. And if I had just spent that $100, if I had done the research, I would have thousands of dollars right now because it's multiplied by what, like 400 times in value. So I could have gotten like $4,000 for my $100 investment if I had just done a little bit more research. So that's really embarrassing. Kind of hit myself. Guys, this is important. Wait, Munchie, Ben was gonna say something. I just have to let you all know that I'm on coinmarketcap.com right now and Dogecoin is actually skyrocketing. Oh, hell yes. Dogecoin is like fucking peaking. Yeah, if you were in the call the whole time, you would have known that Dogecoin passed $2 billion in market worth, like the entire market of Dogecoin to worth like $2 billion a couple days ago. Yeah, it's like doubly embarrassing for me. Like not only did the one I pick immediately go down, but it was the wrong one that I picked. Did you get Bitcoin cash instead of Bitcoin, whatever the whole is? I don't know fucking anything. Just of relevance, I just want to point out again that my friend Colin did in fact run a marathon, his first marathon wearing a Dogecoin onesie. Just putting that out there, it's a fact. Dogecoins, as of this time last year, Dogecoins were worth like 1,500th of a cent. They're now worth a whopping like 1.2 cents. Not bad, not bad. Almost as much as a lucrative PC penny. I leave for one second to beat my parents and I come back and talk about World of Warcraft. No, you went to shit. Look, you went to fucking farm Dogecoin by beating the shit out of that dog and wring the currency from him. When you defeat a dog, he just spews the spirit of Dogecoin. Okay, this has nothing to do with the top of your hand though. I mean, this is very embarrassing, our lack of professionalism is good. But save it for the cryptocurrency episode, guys. Save it for the cryptocurrency episode. It's just sort of hard to just think of like an embarrassing, because like embarrassing stories are things I blocked from my memory and I just sort of, I know they exist. I just don't know. Well, I wanted to talk about embarrassment and shame. But I shat myself. That's what the people want. Tell me what were you saying. Well, I was going to say we can talk about, I will want to talk about like the concept of embarrassment, the concept of shame. Is it good? This is weird. Is it bad? How should you react to it? I feel like you guys are, we've swapped. I feel like we've swapped roles for this episode because I always want to talk about the theory behind it and stuff, but now I want to talk about specific humiliating stories. You just want dirt on everybody in this call right now. I know. I see how this is. No, because I got mine. I prepared mine for any of this. I know exactly, well, let me tell you about how humiliating and embarrassing a person I am. So what I was... No, no. What? What? What's interesting about shame and embarrassment is that they're so integral to all of human culture that's ever existed. And so it's interesting. I don't care about whatever fucking... Shame is how, shame is how social boundaries are set. That's the boundary between acceptable and unacceptable. And the way that new things come... I want to know what Nate says. No, I want to know. I want to see what dirt you have on you. And I want to hear it. We couldn't have the legendary Digi Brony line on the fringe of acceptable and cringe without the concept of cringe. So yet you have shame to think of all of Digi's records. Incidentally, fat shaming is good. But yeah, we can do both. As I hope to do. And I will ring the... Like Munchie goes to beat the bitcoins out of his dog. I will beat the embarrassment coins out of all of you today. Okay, let me just tell you this story real quick and then we can get to... Whatever the fuck you guys want to talk about. Listen to how embarrassing a person I am. Okay, so when I was a kid, I thought it was the shit. I thought it was so cool and so rad. I decided to enter the... It was like the middle school... Fuck, what was it called? A talent show. The talent show. And so I did, in fact, enter the talent show. And we practiced for weeks and it was real crazy and stuff. And I did a rendition of Another One Bites the Dust by one queen. By one queen. I did this alone. It was just me. I choreographed all my own dance moves as they played just like the song with Freddie Mercury's vocals. That just sang over it. Oh, no. And so I mean, let's just say it went off without a fucking hitch. I nailed every pirouette, every backflip was a 10 out of 10 performance. No question. But after I finished it, there are tapes of this performance out there in the world. And just now that time has passed, I live in fear. Just all my waking days are consumed with fear that this illicit videotape will surface one day and the world will see me just popping and locking my life away. One step at a time. I'm officially opening a PCP bounty on tape. Exactly. We gotta go on the hunt. I will personally, unironically, give you 33% of my PCP wage the month you send me a video of Nate singing Another One Bites the Dust. Unironically officially, that is true. Give that to me and my... Rampoil Rope Bombs? It's yours, my friend. But only if you have a video of Nate singing. I just want to let you know, everybody, so your expectations are set correctly. I thought I'd be like the coolest kid in town. I bought a fedora. I bought this sick-ass bomber leather jacket that was way too big for me, but I wore it anyway. Holy shit, just... And no one at any point even suggested that what I was doing was a mistake in any way. That's really the worst part, because that's where shit is so important. Because when you push against those boundaries, other people can be like, yo, you're on the fringe, dude. You gotta be careful. It was only years later as everyone, you know, was aware that I had done this. They're like, man, what were you thinking, dude? And I was like, well, I don't know. I guess I was thinking that that was okay. I didn't know that you guys would be this mean about it to me later on. I actually have an incredibly similar story. I think I might have told before about how I, again, in middle school at a talent show in sixth grade, I attended a sixth grade camp where we just, you know, went up to some woods near where I live and we camped out for like a week. Anyway, at the end, there was a talent show. And, you know, you could have rehearsals of the week leading up to it. And I listened to the talent show, did not know what I was gonna do, basically just had that as an excuse to not do anything and just hang out in the center where people were doing things. I just kind of fucked around. And then eventually, once it got closer, I just, you know, quit because I didn't have anything to do. And then while the show was going on halfway through, like the stage is set, everything is scheduled. I said, you know what, I have something I wanna do. So I just like walked up to the stage and said, like, hey, can I be in the show? Like it's going on halfway. It's almost over. And they're like, yeah, okay, sure. I don't care, yeah. Hell yeah. So I get up and I do, I sing as a sixth grader in front of my entire school. I sing the portal one and two ending songs. This was a triumph. Yeah, yeah. Hell yeah. This was a triumph, Munchie, a triumph. Yeah, literally. I do that. And the thing is, I get off. I don't know how well I did because I ever got some of the words during it. And then I get off. And then when we're going back to our house, everyone is cheering me and saying how good of a job it was and how much they love video games and how much they understood what I was referencing. And Munchie told me the cake was a lie. And this was the only time in my entire life I felt validated by the people around me in school. And I was so happy that I did it. It was the best experience of my fucking life. I completely nailed those songs. Yeah, that's how I felt, too. I felt like I, now everyone knew you loved video games. Yeah. The only thing I couldn't believe was that I didn't win first place. I was dumbfounded by the fact that anyone could be chosen over my performance. Such as life. I have a story. I have a story that's kind of similar to that, Nate, about there was a play. There was like a school play that I was trying out for. And it was, I don't remember what it's called, but it's some play about the, it's like a court case about like a science teacher in the deep south who wants to teach evolution or something. I remember. Yeah. And I thought that I would, I thought I would try out for the like fire and brimstone preacher guy who like is like prosecuting the dude. I thought that would be really cool. So I, and his name is like, you know, Mr. Black, whatever. So I try, I try out for Mr. Black. And I go and I, and I, and I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I think I did pretty good. And then a couple of weeks later, I see the results and I go and I'm like, Oh, Ben got Mr. Black. Yes, I fucking did it. But I show up to, but I show up to the first rehearsal and I realized that what has actually happened is they've gender swapped the role of Mr. Black into Mrs. Black. And I'm actually playing his, his, her spouse. I'm playing the totally like throw away one line side character. That's the spouse of the guy. And I'm like, shit. So I just turned around and walked away and then never came back. That's, that's, that's how you do it. That's, that was a dick move and they deserve that. Uh, I agree. It was probably listed that that was the case and you just did not realize. Yes. So it's completely on you. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I just didn't, I didn't look, I could have found out, but I didn't, but I just, I wasn't gonna suffer that. I showed up expecting to be like a main character. Yeah. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm out. That's the thing. That's the thing. I would like to ask you guys, do you feel more self-conscious or do you feel like you are shamed more? Which is more proportional? Do you do awkward or cringy things and think, oh God, I'm, I'm such a shitter. I'm such a bad guy. I'm such a villain. I'm such an antagonist. Or do you do bad things and you just don't realize and then people make fun of you for it? Which happens more to you guys? It's self-criticism a thousand million times more. Well, I don't know because I don't know, because if other people are just making fun of me behind my back, I don't know about it. Yeah, I guess that's also the same. I don't have enough real life interactions at this point. So I'm real like more. I'm doing something bad. So it's all, it's all internal. Like there's so many things that I've done for so long that were embarrassing and I never knew, but I was too busy like contemplating other things, like internally, like, oh God, is this art that I'm posting, like really embarrassing? Oh God, it probably is not realizing that like I'm acting and looking like a total spur of glory and I don't know until it's too late. It's not like you're the worst guy ever or anything. I mean, you know, not exactly. Maybe you want to give that a Google fair viewer. Get your images and see what you get. You really should. It's amazing. I can't believe that. It's so good. I know, it's unreal, unreal. Yeah, it's, that's probably the most embarrassing thing for me for sure. And it's not even my goddamn fault. Yeah, it's not. It's not. I don't know. I guess we'll just tell people, if you Google worst guy ever, the literally the first thing to come up is Tom's face. From an old video. So what happened is I used to wear fedora unironically and this is what I'm talking about in terms of I did things cringy without knowing and the reason that I had this stupid hat is that my girlfriend bought it for herself and she didn't like it and gave it to me and she likes me in it. So I was like, I don't know. I literally don't ever buy clothes. I don't know anything about anything and like this was back in college and when I was in college, I literally I never went on the internet other than like trying to post art. I didn't have any social contact or anything like that. So I had no context for any of this. So I'm just like, whatever, she gave me a hat. She likes me in the hat. I'm going to wear the hat and that that was as simple as it was. And then I just wore that for whatever because like that just became part of my thing. And then I just started making videos on YouTube and then someone screen capped it and made a fake okay Cupid profile. Yeah. And it's since become a meme. The original like 4chan, it was the image was called MexicanChristianBale.com. Yeah, that's right, MexicanChristianBale. Yeah, so. You know, this is why, this is why literally everyone on the internet needs a meme consultant to make sure they're not making any massive boners that will get them memed hardcore. It's important. Like all those innocent young men who just want to take pictures with their katanas that their moms are taking pictures of and can be seen in the reflection in the mirror while the picture happens. Then their mom posted to Facebook and it's all over, you know, like you're fucked at that point. These need to go through a review process. It's important. So I was like worried about my artwork being too embarrassing, not realizing that I'd set this huge fucking trap card for myself. Yeah. And you know, it's just one of those things. And like to this day, every now and then I just get tweets. Is this you? And I'm like, I used to respond to them but now I'm just like, I'm so tired of saying this. Trying to explain this over and over again. So now it's on the record. Everybody can know. Give me money at patreon.com slash save me so I can change my identity, get some facial reconstruction surgery and just dodge this whole thing forever. Amazing. I think that's pretty great. I'd be pretty proud of this. I'm a little jealous, frankly. I pray that one day I'll be a meme and some faster or another. I long for that day with all my fucking heart. One day. One day. One day I'm not making any money off of this so it's not all it's cracked up to be. Let me tell you. That's true. That's true. I don't care a thing about coins. I care about fame. I care about eyeballs looking at me. I have an embarrassing story. And it's, it was in school. I was a kid. And I wasn't a child genius projrty golden kid boy. I wasn't good. That is so embarrassing. It's haunted me my whole life that I wasn't Mozart or David Bowie. I wondered at least one of those would have been great. But no, that's it. I don't feel shame. I don't really understand the feeling of shame even though, well, I do. But like, it doesn't affect me in a way that, like I know when I do something that's cringy and it's like, oh, well, it doesn't affect me. That's actually really important, that factor. Because like, shame, because of Munchy, like shame, I think you'll agree with me, shame is kind of like where the boundaries of society are set, right? Exactly, yeah. Embarrassment is you being cognizant of the fact that you're doing something shameful. Like, so that's what it is. And then the way that society changes and things become less, like become acceptable is when people know they're doing something shameful and choose to enjoy what they're doing more than being held down by the embarrassment. And then that's how things become socially acceptable and things move forward. I understand what I do that is shameful, but I am never embarrassed by it. So you're a cultural pioneer, basically, is what I'm saying. By not being a child prodigy. You may not be a Mozart, but you're sure as hell a Steve Jobs. A singular Steve Jobs. That's okay. So what... Go on, Munchie, go on. I would like to elaborate on my seemingly incongruent, I think is the word, incredibly easily embarrassed self and my Munchie self. While it's true, I often parade around my town in like full pizza jumpsuit. I actually do that. I'm also paradoxically very concerned about what people think about me. I don't have like an on or off switch really. Most of the time, like this in real life, within reason. The main point that separates embarrassment in the jumpsuit and out is what my intention is. When I'm in the jumpsuit, I'm the star of the show. I'm intentionally poking fun at myself and acting generally silly. He's breaking every social norm at once. It's on your own terms. I am the clown. It's me. I'm trying to make people happy and get them to laugh at me for entertainment's sake. But when I'm not intentionally acting foolish and some part of my personality or like quirk of habit shows, I'm not prepared for the public to see, that's far more terrifying than an entire crowd of people laughing at me. It's the old phenomenon of a girl being embarrassed in my anime, the only media I understand or thing I understand. When you walk in on them changing, they're in their underwear. Ah, so has Kashi, so embarrassed, a blush and punch. But if you see him in a bathing suit, it's no big deal, even though it's like literally the exact same thing, just because they're expecting people to view them in this situation. So yeah, it's an interesting distinction. Maybe I was wrong about the embarrassment because I have that anime Daki Makura pillow now. Like I got it for a sponsored video. Welcome to the club. Give the best video of the year so far. Yes, I like it. And it was like, oh, I was making fun of like, oh, I'm a freak, ha ha, and I post it on Twitter like, oh, look at how degenerate I am or whatever. But posting it online is fine. I don't actually feel embarrassed about that, otherwise I would not post it. But it's a couple of times when my parents knock on the door and they come in, I have to like, oh, I look over and it's like, the face is there. I have to cover up the whole thing. I have to cover up the whole thing with the D-Vice. They don't see that I'm sleeping with a cartoon character. They don't know I'm meming. Oh God, I can't explain it. That's exactly it. That's exactly it. They don't understand the irony of the situation. They don't understand that I'm joking. They don't understand that it's all ironic and a joke. He says, intensely hugging the Daki Makura while he's sleeping every night. I mean, it's not even ironic in that way. It is like, it's nice to have a big old pillow like that to hug. The image on it is like, oh, that's cute. But they don't know anything. Like they don't even know the first thing. They might think it's very weird. They might think I should die. They haven't seen it yet. They don't know it's there. I keep it covered at all times. So I'm definitely embarrassed about that. And how do you bring that up? Yeah, I mean, it'd be good to let them know the information about like, I have one that is in my closet right now because they don't want anyone to see it and embarrass me because they'll think that I don't know. They'll think I like girls. Yeah, I can't think that. But like, how do you bring it up in a graceful way? Even bringing it up at all is embarrassing. So the only thing you can do is just simply not bring it up. And then you always know if somebody were to see it, it would be embarrassing because you're not going to bring it up. I mean, really, what the best thing to do is just to, you know, if they come in and they see it and it's not covered and they say, oh, what's that? It's just like, it's a pillow, you know, like just nonchalant. Like, yeah, it's nothing big deal about it. Don't do, you know, it's nothing. And then they're like, okay. Yeah, this is the real shit. This is the real shit because I think about this a lot, especially since I've had that. I mean, I also have one of those opai mouse pads with the boob on it. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And they've definitely been able to see that because it is on my desk and they come in and it's like, but like, they've never mentioned it. They've never said what's that or, oh, they've never. Well, you know they're thinking weird shit. You know it. I know they are. If they haven't said anything for sure. But like, sure. That's the worst part, dude, when your head makes it 10 times worse than it probably actually is. Yeah, but I prefer it like that when, like, I don't prefer them. Well, I do prefer them to never mention it because it means they don't care and it's okay. Like if they think in the back of their head, oh, well, I guess he likes boobs. Like that doesn't mean too much. It's kind of okay in fact. Okay, well here's where my mind goes because I'm twisted like this. I don't want one of those because like, I would think if I was in a situation like yours, what I would think that you should not think, but what I might think is like, oh god, they think I'm a freak. They don't want to bring it up because they don't want to make it real. What a freak I am. So they're just going to like ignore this and pretend it's not there. All right. And we'll all just move on from this. Here's a head thing. That happens a lot or it used to happen a lot with me. Like I would think, you know, it's very easy to conspire in your mind. Like they're not bringing it up, which means that, you know, they know about it and they're thinking about it and people are thinking it's conspiracy theory. You're thinking everybody has some sort of like nasty thought about you that they're hiding for their, you know, to be seem polite and stuff. And at some point, I just thought it's, it really, it's a, it's just a bad idea all around to ever entertain those ideas that somebody thinks something and they don't say it. Like what, it's just- Well, you know, you know, what's an interesting, sorry. You know what's an interesting trajectory that's like relevant to what you're saying right now? It's like, it's been my relationship with anime over the years growing up because I've been, I've been paying attention to like how my, how my thoughts have been going for, I don't know, the last many years. But it's like when I was a kid, I unabashedly was into like Power Rangers and Transformers. And then I just sort of like Dragon Ball Z and it turned me on like, I don't know, Toonami and like all this stuff. And then I just got sucked into it over the years. But like in like my early college years and my high school years, I was definitely like embarrassed of it. Even though paradoxically at the same time, I was like exclusively wearing anime t-shirts to school and like wearing Kingdom Hearts wristbands literally every day. And you know, like this is, it was like I was both simultaneously humiliated when it would come up in any way and also like displaying it to all the world. So like what, I don't really know why my, what the deal was with that. But like at this point in my life, I've like completely swung the other way. And like I don't like shove it in anybody's face really. I still do wear anime shirts like almost every day. But like I don't think about it and it's not like really part of my identity to like shove it in people's face except how I like, I utilize it specifically like for my online stuff. Cause like of course I still like and I still do it. And I've turned it into like a product, basically my passion for anime. It's something that I have, you know, found an effective thing to like talk about online and people enjoy listening to it. It's probably just because you have an outlet for that now you don't feel you have to like. Yeah, I never had an outlet. That's absolutely true. Me and Ben would talk sometimes, but like there was no anime club in high school. There was nobody to like. Well then there was an anime master like you. It's true, it's true. I was more into these things. And it's just like now I like, the pendulum has really swung. At this point I'm like totally comfortable with the fact that I like these things. Like even in like the T-Bap days like, you know, I would like make fun of myself for liking anime and stuff. But now like I don't even get the point. Like there's nothing to be embarrassed about with like liking anime. And now it just, but at the same time. Are you more comfortable with it or has it just become more common and more acceptable? Well, I actually think that because I've become more of an adult I am questioning myself less. And as a result of that, I think to myself, yeah, it's just normal for me to like anime. Why should I feel embarrassed? That's just who I am. Whereas when you're a kid, the only difference is that you're less sure of yourself. Kids get embarrassed about stupid shit that doesn't matter. They sure do. Oh, they sure do. It's really funny. Like Lars in Steven Universe. The Lars in Steven Universe is like the exact right example. Like he just is humiliated by things that are not embarrassing in any way. And just let's like consume his thoughts and he just makes up these narratives. Because I don't know if he probably just hates himself or something. I think it's because when you're younger you don't have like, you haven't like completely figured out your identity yet. Exactly. Everything kind of is an act that you're doing because you're trying to kind of figure out what your actual genuine persona is. But once you have that locked down, it's just like, well, this is who I am and I'm not going to change it because fuck you. And you know what, in a certain lens, that's kind of a negative thing. And this says that you're kind of solidified in who you are and you can't like grow and change as much. It's like when an oak tree grows. Like when it's young you can shape it and make it grow a certain way. But once it gets too old, if you try to reshape it, it like snap or it just like won't go that way anymore. People's personalities are like that. That's how like older generations get locked into ways of thinking and your brain becomes less malleable. And that's, you know, it's like a good with the bad thing. Like you're young, you're malleable, but you're also very vulnerable. Which is why it's super important that people keep dying so that ideas can continue to grow because people with solid minds, they need to go away and die, like religion. Religion is not going away with like the people who are alive right now. Those people need to die and their kids need to get more and more secular so we can get off the top side. They need to die. Right up until me. And I need to be the first one to not die. Unlimited life. I mean, I hear you, but honestly, we should all die too at some point. Nobody brings that. But the one negative about if we had immortality would be that as far as we understand it, our minds do kind of, you know, settle into one frame of reference in one way of perceiving the world where new generation, I mean, hell, maybe if we... I'll settle my fist into your face. Yeah, well, fair enough. But I don't know, maybe that would be a way to protect humanity from proceeding to degeneracy. Nate, what if we have an unlimited lifespan? What if the whole idea of solidifying a persona in our minds and living that way is just a consequence of our finite lifespan and it's like a social kind of construction? What if we had unlimited lifespan and we never had to worry about getting older and how these crazy responsibilities... If that happens... Our minds were ultimately malleable forever and we were always open to new ideas, always evolving, always changing, always having a higher B.A. No problem, that'd be better. People can still change their minds, even when they're old. I think that probably the mind is still plastic and if people were living a thousand years, I mean, then they'd have a thousand years for their minds to change, you know? I don't know if they'd change that much though. I mean, I'm seriously, I wonder about that. Like, how much the mind of... Here's the thing, Nate, once everybody has unlimited lifespans and is immortal or undying or whatever, then all those people will be accepting of new ideas and everybody who would have their closed minds isn't going to accept immortality anyways because they're going to be like, I need to go to heaven and die. So they're all going to die. We don't have to worry about that anymore. That's only on one issue though. They're gone. Maybe they're more accepting, but that doesn't necessarily... Okay, well, here's the weird utilitarianism point of this. We could make it one episode. Well, we're already on it basically. But it's just, okay, if... Is it right? Okay, let's say we had a pill that gives you immortality. Like, your cells just stop aging. But let's say I really believe, and I have a good scientific basis for thinking that it is actually good for people to keep dying so as to keep this refreshing cycle going so people keep evolving and changing and through their kids who gain new ideas and they're not as malleable, et cetera, et cetera. If that process is helped of ideas being furthered by new people being born, should we then not let people become immortal? Why do we need new ideas for if we don't die? That's a silly thing to say. You're silly. I mean, I think... I just think if we have immortality, and I don't think new ideas are going to stop just because people are immortal, I think... It's a degree though. Society would change at a slower pace. But because everybody lives much longer, it's going to change slower regardless. That's inefficient. That is inefficient. People dying is a more efficient system. And I like that. Well, I'm coming over to your house to kill you, Nate. It's for the sake of efficiency. Once we think about it... You can make it hard to not die. We don't need to make any more progress. That's it. That's the end game. That's not true because the finite has... The universe has a finite time span. You've got a finite time span. Our planet will only be around a few billion years and we want to get this shit rolling. Get what rolling? Get progress rolling. Progress towards what? Starfleet. Interstellar travel. Interdimensional travel. Starfleet didn't have immortality. That's true. Some people would really want it. We'd be better than Starfleet by then. Except, no, that's exactly why. We should keep killing people. I was trying to say earlier... I'm not even arguing for this, by the way. Yes, go on, get please. The thing I was trying to say earlier when I embarrassingly choked on my own throat and Nate stole the whole podcast away from me, was that if people have a problem with you and they don't air their grievances, it either means... Well, one, it means that you should just assume that your good qualities outweigh the bad ones and that people like you and it's not a problem. Because there was always this feeling that there's... You know, things you do that are wrong or issues that people have with you. If they never bring them up, then that just means that it's not really a big deal and you should stop worrying about it. But if they do have big problems with you and they don't outweigh... The good parts don't outweigh the negative parts, it is on them to tell you otherwise it's their fault for getting so bent out of shape about it and maybe exploding. And so I just like to live my life like assuming that people like me unless they say otherwise. My class pecked is the thief of podcasts. Nice one. Got him. I completely zoned out throughout that whole like immortality thing. I have no idea what it has to do with the podcast at large. A little bit, a little bit. While it's nice to not be concerned with what other people think about you and it is comfortable to have that peace of mind, well not a peace of mind, but you know not have to think about how you are affecting the people around you. I would say it's kind of dangerous maybe. I don't think in your instance necessarily. Well I'm very, I'm very like observant of like, I'm not like, I'm not using that as a crutch because I'm bad at understanding people's emotions. Like I can pick up on things. I just, if I'm not sure, I lean towards the side of, well they don't actually have a problem because they're not saying anything. But how do you know that? How do you know that's actually the case? Well I mean maybe they have problems, but like the point is overall as a person, if they don't want me in their life, it's up to them to tell me, right? In one way or another, not like directly like, hello good-bye, like they don't have to like type it out. But if there's no indication that anything I'm doing is wrong at any point, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to feel in fear at all times? I think there's a balance to be found between the two, but yeah, that's all. Well isn't that like the purpose of shame is like social shaming? Is it to show you that the behaviors and things you're doing are unacceptable? Yeah and like, and sometimes it's appropriate to push through shame, to like do it anyway because like it's a dumb idea. That's the question I wanted to present, is that, is shame a good thing or a bad thing? And is the erosion of shame detrimental to society? Because like, I feel like we're at a point right now, like with culture that like there is, there is a lot of like social shifting going on and there's a lot of things that were taboo, like even 10 years ago, like totally out in the open and everything's happening now. And like, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Because like if we keep going in that direction, soon like, like doesn't society inevitably break down if there's no more boundaries? There is a limit, there is a limit. If there's no underlying values that all of society adheres to. Here's what I think about that. I think the way that most people like, say if they, everybody tried to do what I like, I generally do by assuming the best of people and then assuming there's no problem if people don't speak up. A lot of people would not like be self-critical enough to change if so, if it's, it turns out that someone like, that what, what, Munchy? No. Munchy stop, stop mining Bitcoin over there. You're stealing my speech. I wrote a whole speech. Oh, okay, go on edge. I'm bad at speaking. The most embarrassing thing I do is PCP. I'm terribly bad. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Arm retrieval mode activated. Embarrassment. More specifically, shame is not only good for you, but actively beneficial to society. Eternal shame is a built-in natural repellent of bad or unhealthy thoughts. It is your body's way of telling you that you've fucked up, but not with the carnage of the flesh. If you're like me, your mind will literally torment you day in, day out of your past sins and the evils you've committed to yourself and your loved ones. You will never escape your misdeeds. You could be having the time of your life at a party or falling asleep in bed when suddenly that one awkward conversation with your home road teacher back in sixth grade telling her that she looked like Tina Fey, but way, way older. Or worse, the awful porn you've drawn of Tina Fey, but way, way older. Then your thought process is hijacked. And all I can think about for the next 20 minutes is your sixth grade teachers all in variously poorly constructed sexual positions with no concept of anatomy or what sex actually is. This is your personal nightmare. It's all your fault. Now, clearly this is not a desirable situation to be in. You're probably almost moved to tears or an anxiety attack because of your suggestion of your math room teacher sprawled out on what appears to be her knees though due to the complete failure of perspective it looks like her back and you're probably cursing me for the mere suggestion that you deserve this fate. And to that I'd say it's your own fucking fault, buddy. In scenarios such as this and much less comedic ones where you've genuinely hurt the people in your lives you only have yourself to blame. And you have hurt and lied to the people you care about or alternatively drawn Steve Neuver storyboard storyboard to your porn of them. You yourself have committed social pause or done something you promised someone you wouldn't something such as that. No one is allowed to hold that burden but you. Only you may inherit the shady things you have done. Just because they're in your past doesn't mean they aren't you. You are defined in the ways you that you probably couldn't even articulate by your past sins. And I think in good ways. Now just because I say the past still matters I'm also now currently right now next to this next word right next to him about to say currently okay here it goes saying that the present and future are wide open like wide wide open. Like like you hold on I lost track of my notes. Like so many hot moms looking like Tina Fey only way way older. Exactly. Wide wide open like my voluptuous reading teacher. Well actually no no no I don't want to no no more. Oh no. But the point is you have done shady things and you've been sung by them probably hard and that does matter. But what matters more is what you do now. It's easy to commit a sin and then curl up into a ball and cry your eyes out cursing yourself for mistakes. It's almost comforting to throw yourself into the pity party rejecting your actions at the same time in the back of your head trying to rationalize them. It's so so easy to do that I've done that for most of my life but if all you do is toil and regret your mistakes that's all you're ever going to be defined by. You have to make that next step the harder step. You have to get fucking action and snatch your wrong from the baby playhouse of self-defeatism and throw that slimy fuck directly into the middle of accountability junction motherfucker. You must move on from your life and start to specifically be a better person. Most of the time this will not mean mending them you're done because most of the time you have to let certain things go because you've probably destroyed them more than you can ever repair them in most embarrassing situations. And you know it's in the past you can't rewind time to make sure that you don't envision your homeroom teacher naked during class. What you can always do regardless of circumstance or background is just remember. Live your life and remember what you've done and look out for the signs that lead you down the path towards treachery. Look for ways to remove yourself from temptations and obstructions. Remember how and why you did the thing so you can specifically eradicate all chances of it happening again. Learn from your fucking mistakes you slippery slut you fucking cheap dog food nigger. You after you snap your life back into place. Understand what you did and can do. Think for a moment to think for a moment to thank the friend that made this all possible. Because let's be honest no way you would have found the initiative or power to change your life even aside the most rousing of speeches if you didn't feel absolutely awful at the low point. The original pit of despair and agony you felt deep inside your testes was the primordial suit for your ascension to repair your fucking life. People can tell you and tell you what to do and how to fix things. But if you don't feel bad and you don't feel regret for what you did and you feel absolutely ashamed of what you did then you're not going to get better. You're not. The pain was your trusty biological suicide of feeling that turned your life around. Watch out are we anywhere close to the end here? Yes. How long does it go? Okay, okay. So next time you let a conversation awkwardly linger for a second or two you cheat on your husband or you draw terrible points of 13 year old that you post on the internet know that the very pain that courses through your soul is your ticket to redemption. And that's the only way you can let shame positively impact you. You have to just you have to take it and remember what you've done. That's why shame is good because it will never go away ever. And that's just a clear blueprint to be better at everything. Yeah, I would say that that is exactly what I think about shame. The only thing is I only take shame from sources that I trust. You know, if a friend that I trust the opinion of tells me that I'm doing something wrong I will think, oh, oh, I got to think about this. But if it's just a bunch of people that I know are stupid then I'm not going to feel shame. Like if it's like a societal thing that is like generally, oh, you shouldn't say swears like, well, fuck off. You know, like I don't need to change because of things like that. But, you know, that's why like trying to get rid of shame of societal shame isn't good because some people choose the wrong things to like not change. Like you shouldn't fuck children. Ah, get out of here. Like that's a real one. There's some real stuff about that. Those guys should should try and change themselves. They just, you know, they're crazy. You have to pick and choose your battles, dude. You have to always, you know, try and evaluate things yourself. And it's going to be hard. You just have to figure out what the people around you think because that's what really matters to us. A lot of people will hear you guys talking about how like it's what the people around you say and it's all the societal stuff. And they will use that like, okay, all these positivity movements think that like shame is bullshit. And like a lot of people want to escape shame because it feels completely arbitrary and like it doesn't mean anything. That's also abdicating responsibility and that infuriates me. Exactly, exactly. Well, yeah, like for the body positivity movement, for example, okay, let's say you're a big fat, fatty piece of shit and you want to- Raise his paw. You know, and people are giving you shit for it. You're getting shit for being fat. People are calling you a fatty, they're, you know, they're making fun of you. Okay, let's say that's happening. Okay, so you are experiencing shame. I totally get why your reaction to that could be, well, this is bullshit. Like what's even the problem with me being fat? I am who I am. They need to fucking live with these curves. It's their problem, not mine. Like why, what is the problem here? Okay, what you need to do is you can't just say I should not feel bad. It is wrong that I feel bad about X. Let's, that's it. What you need to do is sit down and be honest and analyze the facts on the ground. Is there actually a good case for why things are the way they are? Fat shaming comes from a long history of people generally being skinnier and now all of a sudden we've got a big fat obesity crisis and lots of people are literally as fat. Like half of the American population is as fat as like the carnival show Fat Freaks at carnivals of like the 20s and shit. It's insane and it's disgusting and people need to fucking fix their shit. But like, so there is a real reason why people say like, hey, you should lose weight, whether they do it in a mean way or a nice way. I'm not trying to call anybody shit. I'm not actually trying to insult anybody. But there is a real reason why people experience, you know, blowback when they are extremely obese because it is bad for them. There are real studies about this. It's real. It's real. You can't run up the fucking hill. There's two different like aspects to this as well because like there's the people who like, I don't care. I'm gonna eat what I want. I know it's unhealthy. I know I'm gonna die young, but I don't care. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, there's those people which I wouldn't necessarily like, I think you're gross if you eat. That is degeneracy. That is degeneracy. But then there's the people with the body positivity who say it's healthy to be obese. It's healthy to be as whatever weight you want, which is the dangerous stuff that you should, like that is bad. You should know at least what you're doing. Like you can do what you like. You can die young and fat if you really want to. But as long as you know that's what you're doing, you know? But the problem is the spreading of misinformation. That, but see that's, I think you're touching on exactly what I was saying earlier about how like eroding shame is bad for society because in this quest to erode shame, we're now misconstruing facts and lying to people in order to make everybody feel better. And that's bad. And to go back to what you were saying, Nate, with like the fat shaming thing, because like I don't wanna pick on fat people, but this is a great example because it's very tangible and easy to understand to kind of explain this more of like a wider context is that if you, I think for me, the shame thing has always been my internal, like just enjoyment of something versus the external shame. So like if I enjoy myself enough that the shame isn't a problem anymore, then I'm just gonna do it. No matter, you know, like as long as I'm not hurting anybody else, like that's usually the, you know, if you're hurting other people, you have a whole different story. But if it's just like affecting you and you're having fun more than the negative impact of it, then just do you. So like if you're someone who just is like super fat, eats tons of food, doesn't wanna exercise, and you're just like, you know what? I enjoy my life, this is what I wanna do with it. Like go ham. But then there's people who are going to like the fat acceptance movement and things like that. They're doing that not because they are actually proud of what they're doing, it's because they're ashamed and they're afraid and they hurt and they're trying to get rid of that hurt and they're using this as an excuse because there's a lot of people that before this whole fat acceptance movement, if someone said here's a pill, it'll make you have slim tomorrow, they would have taken it in an instant. But now they've internalized this and it's become part of their identity because they're too afraid to put the work in to do what they actually would want to do. They're treating the symptom of shame and not the disease that is the underlying cause. And I mean, I'm not always saying it's necessarily always going to be a disease, every type of shame. Like if you're, I don't know, just an example, like if you're like a black kid in like a white school and like they talk shit on you because you're black and different, then like obviously that's not cool. You got, you know, that's a reason to not, you know, to fight back and shit. But like, there are real tangible things to, you know, get to be shamed for. I think I should talk for a second. It means as the token fat character of the PCP. Indeed. I would like to explain my reasoning for being fat on trial here. By the way, you don't have to defend yourself. You are anybody else. You can do whatever you want, but you know, you get to expect blow black. Blow fat. Blow black. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Blow fat if you will. I more or less fall into the category one hippo described of I, my priorities just do not lie in the physical world. I'm about the digital gamer world. And you may mock me in the physical world, but in the game world, I reign supreme. It is top level. And you cannot eat my blade. Yes. The platinum trophies reign from the sky. It's unbelievable. But seriously, I, I might like my priorities just do not lie in me living that long or me, you know, being attractive. And I do realize that I am less attractive than if I was skinny. I realize all of these things with, you know, fat being there, because they're just true. I mean, I mean, obviously there's going to be people who like fat people and they're going to people who... To be fair, fat guy is kind of a look. It's kind of a look that I kind of like. I kind of like it. I'm just saying, I'm just telling you for your, for your information, guys, fat girl is not a good look. It's not a good look. I'm just, I'm just giving you the facts, people. Obviously there will be outliers, but that's just, you know, of course. Yeah, that, that, that, that's just that. Again, that's the, what's the word? That's how most of society feels. And I understand that. And while I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm ashamed of being fat. I'm not happy about it because there's nothing to be happy about. It's simply me not dedicating like, like the, like the runescape points. I've never played runescape. Yeah, like runescape points to doing this. One can recognize faults with themselves and imperfections and not let it consume them in terms of like, oh, I'm worthless now. Like I have, I have this thing that's not ideal. Like I honestly want to lose weight and I think about it a lot and it's a little bit embarrassing. And like I want to lose like 10 pounds and I'll be, I'll be happy about it. Until then I feel embarrassed and ashamed of it. So, you know, like that's me doing it in my, I very much practice what I preach here. That's why I work out every fucking week so that I can feel better about this. I have accepted the responsibility of taking care of this for myself. It's all about responsibility. It's about accountability. I understand that it is my fault and my fault alone that occasionally I'll be like, oh man, I'm fat. But that's a, that's a fleeting thing. And that doesn't consume me because I'm not, that's not where my priorities lie. And I don't know, part of me feels like that shouldn't be for you either. They're not like you, Nate, or that like physicality does not matter or that being attractive does not matter. I'm just saying like, like for you, fat acceptance people, you shouldn't let this thing that is your fault and an ailment of you consume your thoughts. If you want to be a fat broad, well then you're just a fat broad. There's no, there are going to be, there are going to be men that like you, regardless of how much we do not like it. There are going to be people that like you. There will always be a look for everyone. And you're not a worthless person. I do not think you're a bad person. But you can't just say that it is good or it is healthy. It's, it's just simply a not healthy, and I don't know, a good. I think, I think another component of this is that people have changed this idea of tolerance to like welcoming things with open arms. Tolerance does not even praise. But that's exactly, that's like the whole problem is that like you can be fat or you can be whatever sort of like socially unaccepted thing you want to be, but don't expect people to like fucking give you praise for it. Like, you know, people give you shit. Like that's just part of doing what you're doing. It's going against the social fabric. And like tolerance is not, is not being actively trying to stop you. That's what tolerance is. To tolerate something is to say it's there. I'm not going to do anything about it. And that's it. It's not accepting it with open arms. So like, don't, I think this whole idea of like trying to eradicate shame is bullshit and is never going to work. And I think it's, yeah, ridiculous. Not only is this never going to work, it's like the, the, the entries it takes will be extremely destructive. I mean, I have no doubt that the Fat Positivity Movement has completely destroyed some people. It has made some people feel vindicated in their ability to not stop eating. And it has just made them fucking, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know the stats, but you know, it definitely will not be helped to. Let's just say there's been a measurable rise in BBW LVR license plates across the nation. And that's, that's a tragedy in its own way. It raises par. Incidentally, I guess I can't say the Fat Positivity Movement is all bad because we do have a BBW LVR. So maybe there's something to it all along. Okay, that's fair. Well, I don't know. It's cool. Let me, let me tell you about the time I pooped in my bed. Okay. Okay. Well, I took a shit in my bed and that's the story. No, there's a little, there's a little more to it. There's a little more to it. I just, I got really drunk one night. And I was, I was living with some friends and I blacked out and I woke up the next day. This was adulthood? Yeah, yeah. This was, this was, yeah, I was like 23 or 24. Oh no. Well, listen, see, I don't understand. I don't really, I can't really explain it. I just woke up after having been blackout drunk and there was just poop on my bed. And I was like, maybe you're a friend. I don't want to hear this story. And I was like, well, why would there, I mean, my, my, I was, I'm right next to the bathroom. My room is right next to the bathroom. Why would I come into my own room and poop on, like not in my bed, just on my blankets and everything. So I toilet for one and I convinced myself that a cat had done it. Like a cat had shit on my bed. But like, I don't know. I don't know if I really truly believe that, you know what I mean? We all know the forbidden snack that is just pissing and shitting yourself in bed so you don't have to get up. Well, there was no pee. At least I don't agree. It was an unspoken rule of the PCP that you have, that's the hazing ritual. Well, you have to pee in this hidden bed to get into the PCP. Oh, come on. There was no pee. There was just some poop. And I was like, well, it was, it was a cat, but like no one believed me. And I didn't really believe myself, but I don't really know. And like I had to take the blanket out in the backyard and spray it down with a hose and stuff. And it was very embarrassing. You know what that reminds me of? There's a story our dad has, when our dad was a kid, he got, he got like hit in the head with like a golf club and he got really messed up. So he had to be bedridden for like a long time. I remember this story. And the story is weird and I don't get it. Okay, but like one day, just like he's in bed, you know, he's just laid up and like his parents better or whatever. And like everybody else goes out and his parents has gotten him a bunch of like weird tasting chocolates. So he's just sucking on a chocolate. You know, I was like a little kid. He's like seven or something. They tell him like, don't get out of bed or you'll die. Yeah, that's right. Do not get out of bed or you'll die. And so he gets one of these chocolates from like the bedside table. He puts in his mouth and it's just like rank. It's just like vile. It's like the most disgusting thing he's ever eaten. And he just spits it out into his hand. And like, okay, so he's in this bed, right? He's got a melting chocolate in his hand. The sheets are white. The sheets are pristine white. And like he's got chocolate all over himself and the walls are right there. So he's like, well, okay, here's what's happening. And so he proceeds to smear the chocolate on the wall, just in a big brown streak on the wall. And then, you know, he's just living in fear of what's to come. And then like his parents get home, like my grandparents and they're just like, you pooped the bed! What, why would you do that to the wall? That was exactly how they said it, too. You pooped the wall. I was there. You pooped the wall. You pooped the wall. Unbelievable, but apparently true. So there you go. That sounds awful. I hate everything that just is transpired. It's very useful. It's a stupid and infuriating story. I'm so upset that it's gotten this way. It's good to know that the Besman family, or whatever you want to call yourself, has a lineage of poop stories. I do not have one. I have no poop story. Yeah, right. That means it's coming. That means it's coming. That's a pretty stretch goal. Nate shits himself. Yes, please. You're cursed by the family goblin, the shit goblin. Eventually, he'll shit on your bed. And I have one little embarrassing moment. We've got all the speeches out, but I think it's time for just anecdotes at this word. Yeah, well, as a kid, I was just embarrassing as a default. So I can't think of very many particular moments that were incredibly embarrassing, but there was a drama class that I had to go to, and drama was like, oh, no, not on stage. I can't do it, but I didn't say anything. I was just sort of like, put a look at the floor when they asked me to come up, and it was generally a voluntary thing. Like, they would do some things in groups, like group in pairs, and you've got to act out this scene. And you're like, oh, no, and I never did anything ever. Like, I would never ever do anything. And they would say, well, okay, you don't have to, and I would always be in the audience. And there was this one time where I plucked up the courage. Like, they were cheering because it was kind of a meme that I would not do drama. I would never go up on stage and do anything. And everybody in my class knew. They knew that I hated drama, and this one time I stood up when asked, and they were like, oh, my God. And it was really like the first baby steps of stuff. So I wasn't really acting. I was just on the stage as the other guys did something, and then I looked at them. It's basically, if you go to the Brony Khan thing, it's that. I'm just standing there looking at the crowd. And then I leave. It's the worst. I hate stages. You know, that's good. I'm glad you mentioned that. I almost forgot about that. I am a little embarrassed of my performance at Brony Khan 2 for me. Just going up on that stage and just, you know. I'm unbelievably embarrassed about my performance there. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Mine was the worst. I loved a bit with the toilet paper, Ben. It was really inspiring. No, please don't mention that. I hate myself. Ben, toilet paper again. He can't escape at this guy. Yeah, it's just a poop lore. Poop story after poop story. It's poop stories all the way down with me. This actually brings up an interesting point. I actually, two things. One, what was the latest time you felt genuinely real 100% embarrassed? Because we have small embarrassing things that happen to us every day. But when was the last time you felt like actually genuinely like, oh God, I really actually fucked up? And also second, do, maybe because I have this, do you guys have like a period of your life that just was embarrassment central, that you can like take apart like starting and ending dates and like the reasons you felt like? You know what I've got? Like it went on that golden age. I have like a nega embarrassment a time in my life, which is very interesting. It was when I was in, I believe. Nate, an urban embarrassment please. Yes, forgive me. I think this was in middle school, like first or second, like fifth or sixth grade or something. I might have been a little earlier than that. Okay, but anyway, it was just like, I wanted to, my parents wanted to give me a retainer from the orthodontist. You know, like a retainer that goes around your head and fucking fixes your teeth and shit. And like, it was a big like headpiece. It was called head, head gear. Sorry, head gear is the term I'm trying to find. I remember. It was fucking head gear. And when we went to the orthodontist, they're like, hey, you need head gear. I was like, okay. And they're like, okay. So like, if you wear it at night, you'll be done in a year. And I said, what if I wore it all the time? And they said, well, six months, but like, are you sure you want to do that? And I was like, hell yeah, boy, strutted out of the office in my heelies. And so I just wore head gear for like a full six months of school. Like, and I was never embarrassed about it. I had like no problems. I have no negative feelings even associated with it. It was a really a Chad move, I suppose, only was completely unnecessary. And then we just wore it at night. Why did I do it? I don't know. I just didn't care. That built up your reserve. It's efficiency. So when you became an anime man, you could buy that. A low-key Chad. You could buy that Vampire Hunter D hat and not feel bad about it. Very true. Very true. That totally is a fucking Chad move. That's a fucking, that's a big Chad move. That's totally efficient. And like, you know, I'm going to take responsibility. I'm just going to fucking do this all in one go. That was the birth of weird utilitarianism. Indeed. It's true. It's very true. Also the first thing I said, when was the last time you felt like genuinely embarrassed, Nate? Like recently? Oh, I would just say that occasionally at work, at my real job, like discussion comes up of my YouTube stuff. And just whenever that happens, I feel a little terror inside. Oh, that is the worst. And it's just like, wait, why does it come up at work? Okay, there have been times when it has just like, there's just situations where like, I can't quite avoid saying like what, like I could lie when these questions are asked, but instead I'm just like, yeah, you know, I do like some online stuff. You know, it's just like a little thing I do. And nobody, nobody there now like knows very much of it and nobody pays attention or really cares. And like, I've shared a little more information with some of the guys who are actually pretty cool at work. But like, yeah, like one of the guys, this guy Brad that I work with just said like, the other day, hey, congrats on 60K, dude. I was like, oh no. There's just the fact that he could then like, tell like my fucking like real boss about like the things I'm doing and saying online. I like to imagine like whenever there's like a quarterly report or like whatever, your boss interviews someone else that just like, the boss just like, so what subscriber account is Nate at now? You're never gonna believe what video this guy just put out. In no way am I embarrassed of like any of the content. What I'm embarrassed of is the crossing of the world to these people who know nothing about any of this stuff. That's it. If work, Nate, walks through the PCP door, that will kill PCP Nate. It's true. It's true. It's like the meeting of the Georgia's or colliding sort of situation going on. It's exactly what it is. That reminds me at New Year's this year, a couple of people like had like seen on Facebook and stuff that like I had a Kickstarter and shit. Like a couple of people, these aren't people that I like know very well or friends with. They're like in my extended circle. And a couple of them asked me about like the Kickstarter. There was this one drunk girl who was like, Oh yeah, I'm really interested. She had some shit to say. It didn't matter. The point is, the point is that it came up and was being talked about. And I was fucking mortified that like real, these real human people in real life were like talking because I have no idea what to say about it. It's like, I've made this thing and it's on the internet and you're asking me questions and I'm like, what am I supposed to say? I appreciate the interest, but please, please I have nothing for you. Yeah, I hear you. I don't know what you guys' deal is. That's, that'd be cool. If I was, if so, I was walking down the street strutting my stuff as I do and some lowly coward asked me something about, I don't know, fucking the Japanese joke below. Munchy, you're like a Gwyn. Yeah, and Ben is like a furtive pygmy. So easily forgotten. So easily forgotten. He has a lot to be seen. I mean, I did appreciate it and I thought it was cool, but I also felt like very, very embarrassed at the same time. Remember when we were talking about T-Baptium? That was always humiliating. Yeah. I think it's just because you have, when you have an online persona, you kind of like sit down and like, you have a way of presenting yourself online that is definitely different from real life. So when you have to like try and like turn that switch on when you're not in front of a screen, you're just like, what, how do I do this? Yeah, I'm not used to this. It's weird though, because like... It's not even embarrassing, it's just discomfort and not being able to really know how to present yourself at that point. I mean, for Ben specifically, you do comics and that's like more of a real world thing anyways. So if anything, it would feel less embarrassing than to say, I have a YouTube channel, I do Pokemon Let's Plays. Oh, no. You might have to say, I make comics. Hey guys, it's me, Ben. I'm a real pokey tuber. Yeah, he sure is. You might think so, but I feel just as embarrassed. I feel just as embarrassed talking about the vapors as I did talking about T-Bab. It's made me wonder if I was even really bothered by the whole pony thing in the first place. Yeah, exactly. I mean, yeah, I think so. I'm like, it's embarrassing. I don't know, man. It's something about the way it's like, it's like if they were to go watch a video, it's like they'd expect me to act like that around them or they'd be like, why don't you? I don't know, something weird's going on there and I can't quite articulate it. It is weird. Yeah, I can't quite explain my feelings on the subject either. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I don't know, because no one feels ashamed. If you were fucking Harvey Oswald or whoever makes comics nowadays. Lee Harvey Oswald? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you were just someone like that, then you wouldn't be, you wouldn't be like, if you were Brian Leo Malley and someone's like, oh, you draw comics, you'd be like, yeah, I do. I actually think I would. That's a respected job. I actually think I would be kind of like, oh yeah, I guess I'm Brian Leo Malley, but I don't really want to talk about it. You know, if you think about what it would mean to be him, to have fucking movies and book deals and be, You can go ahead and do that. That's, you're, yeah, I do. I just think that if you're really on that level, like your world has changed and it's not like being a small-time YouTuber or anything. It's like a different, it's like real. It's like real and then you're more, I'd feel more like a business executive uncle of mine would be like, oh yes, you're raking in X, Y, Z and the infrastructure stock. And that's the opposite of embarrassment. That's social, like social credit at that point. Right. India. I keep imagining Ben as Quentin Tarantino and people come up to him and say, oh dude, I love Pulp Fiction. And he's like, oh yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I guess. Does he do that? I guess. Well, that reminds me, Nate, do you remember that one time that our dad got really like weird about the fact that we were swearing on T-Bab? A little bit, yes. And he was like, this is stuck with me because I remember, I asked him, I was like, dad, okay, this is gonna sound really fucking pretentious and like I'm really fucking up my own ass and think I'm hot shit here. But I was just trying to make a point. I was like about art. And I was like, dad, do you think that Quentin Tarantino is embarrassed by Pulp Fiction because people say fucking it? Okay. And I was like, of course not, right? Like of course the answer is no. But dad didn't say no. He was like, well, I'm sure he's, in some cases, I was like, God damn it. Well, I get his point. I get his fucking agree with me because I'm right. He's seeing this, like he, dad's thinking about this the same way he thinks about like people who post like, because this is frame of reference, like pictures of themselves like swearing or drunk on Facebook. Like, oh, how embarrassing. Oh, this is gonna stick with you forever as opposed to like an actual like comedy video where it's all like intentional and presented in this way deliberately. Yeah. You know, that's how he's thinking about it. This is a work of fiction. This is a work of creative, you know, energy and it's a work of artifice. Maybe. Whatever. Maybe shame has been corroded for me because I don't even think of swearing as like a degrading or like embarrassing thing. It just helps me communicate. No, there is a certain audience. There's a generational thing. Like I think millennials and under, like Gen Xers and millennials and like it's with every, it's swearing has just become less and less of a thing. I don't even think swearing exists anymore unless you're like over the age of 40. Modern day swearing is bringing up topics that are like, oh, gosh, shut up, like politics. Like that is swearing now at it. Yeah, yeah. Like if you say Donald Trump anywhere, like, oh, why would you say that? More like Donald Trump, please. Thank you. Ha ha ha. Drump. Oh, thank you. Donald Trump is like the butt to ass, you know. Exactly. I was going to say it's the crap to shit and things of that nature. Yes, yes. Don't say, you've got to calm that down a bit. Tune into the doorstep this month, ladies and gentlemen. Oh my God. It's going to be incredible. Stick, you're going to want to see that, guys. You're going to want to fucking see that shit. But it's like, it's like the same things where the old ladies would say, oh, what's your language? I would do that with what's your topic? I don't want to hear it. Hey, hey, excellent. I am just going to jump in here and say my most recent embarrassment was yesterday. Oh, good. Yeah, for a school project, I wrote up an essay. And for some reason at my school, they give you more points if you speak your essay. And so I was going to, I was going to suck up to my teacher real hard. And I was going to try and make it seem like I really actually genuinely cared about the things I was talking about. And so I was going to go to like a museum near where I live. Not like an indoor museum. I was just going to go near this like historic, it's kind of hard to say, like a historical museum center block, kind of a Babbo Park. If you like Google it, viewers, and you'll get a better sense. I was inside a museum screaming. But I was going to go there and I was going to like recite my essay, just like away from people, not bothering anyone. But the mere idea of me pulling out my phone and like talking while there were people, like could like see me like recording something that other people will see just made me so fucking upset and scared. Interesting. I've tried to do that because like there's people who like vlog just out on the streets or whatever. Yeah, yeah. How do they do that? I have no fucking clue. That's the scariest thing in the entire fucking world. I've tried multiple times and every time it's like, no, no. Yeah, it's really embarrassing. I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't remember doing that. It's because they're like infringing on their space kind of. Yeah. I think that's really where my thing comes from is just like, I don't feel like I have the right to do this because I feel like if I was just walking and someone was like, hey, guys, I'm shooting a vlog. I'd be like, I'm going to shoot you with a gun. Here's the thing, though. Wait, wait. Give was going to say something. Sure, sure. Well, I was just going to say that one time I was walking through a park and doing that. Like I was vlogging in the park because I assumed nobody would be there. But of course, there's dog walkers there. And when, you know, it's a long. We're like, we call them dog coin miners. That's what they're up there. Yeah, okay, okay, go on. Sorry, sorry. So, and like there's parts where the path is just really long and they can see you for a long time and I can see them for a long time. Oh, yeah. So I'm holding my camera in front of me. They can see that I have my camera and then they definitely know that I'm putting the camera down so that I can walk by them and I'm just going to bring it back up again. They know you're embarrassed. That's the worst part. Oh no. Here's the thing. I talk loud, like when I'm with my friends and I'm walking down the street, I talk loud. People can definitely hear me when I'm just having a normal conversation. But I will talk, like I talked really quiet when I was trying to record this video. Like I don't think anyone could hear me or I don't think anyone noticed me. But like, whereas like normally people will notice me. So why is it just the camera? Like the camera itself makes it embarrassing for some reason. It does, it does. Because people can see that you're like doing something and you're like recording something and they're like. Oh, I don't know. Oh, I just thought of a life hack about that. If you have like a phone, if you're filming on a phone and maybe you should have like a dummy phone and put the phone up to your ear. So if people look at you and they glance, they say, oh, he's talking to someone on the phone. He's not talking to his phone. Is he trying to film himself though? Yeah, you know, you should just, you just sort of like put it in your ear so they don't see that on. You just get a drone. You have the drone fly like overhead. Yeah, that's how you do it, man. That's how you do it, man. You just have your phone that you put up. You got that excruciatingly loud like of the fucking thing in the museum. It's okay guys, I'm just vlogging. Please ignore the drone. That's a realistic atmosphere. Yeah. By the way, Munchy, you mentioned school doing a school project. I've been wondering about this. You must be a god at your school. You must own that fucking place because like, how could these weak cowards that I went to school with possibly stack up to the intellectual juggernaut that you are, you know, just in real life? And these are lowly like 16, 17 year old freaks. You would, any high school person I've ever met in my life, you would crush them instantly. Yeah, what's the deal? What's that like? What's that like? Well, I actually don't know. I told this before, but I go to- I dropped out. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm going to an online charter school. I've been in my senior year, so I don't go to a school. But what I did, that was before my, as I alluded to earlier, the golden age of me being embarrassing. I referred to as my gay period. Are you saying that going to an online charter school has unlocked your Christ consciousness? Is that, is that where we all drop the ball? I think literally so. For Munchy, it's been a huge success. It's allowed you to do all the things I think like a charter school would like want their kids to be able to do. Like just live your life and make positive stuff and just do whatever you want. We missed the boat. If I had gone to a charter school, I could have been a cool dude like Munchy with a suck. I hear charter school and I think ship chart and I think like sailing around. It's a nautical school. He's going to be an admiral when he grows up. He's sailing across the world wide. He's sailing around the surfing around the web. Hey, when he graduates and he's an admiral, he can come on our ship and come on the pod.dcast at patreon.com slash the pod.dcast pirate. The propellant. Wait, I would do like that. I'm Mr. Regular Old Rear Admiral Wattage. No, not Wattage. What was his name? What was the tentacle rule? What was the tentacle rule? Collapsic. Collapsic. What a guide. Yeah. Sick reference. Back when I was in like normal school, I was not a god by any means. I was disabled kid tier. Oh no. That's bad juju. Yeah, that's, it was real bad. It was interesting. Interesting. Okay, okay. Gay period stuff is too recent for me to talk about and not like genuinely just like, oh god, like I'm going to be real upset genuinely on this podcast. Muchi, give us one. Give us one, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you some from my normal school. There, I already told you about how I almost like broke some kid's spine. His fault still. His fault still. Oh, the hug, the wheelchair, right? Yeah. Yeah. I had a reputation for giving hugs. That was a thing that I did. I don't know why I did this, but I was very flamboyant. Some on purpose, some not. Everyone thought I was gay. Not a single person did not think that I was gay. Excellent. And I think, like what really like just like, I think, I don't know, in a critical moment in me being perceived as gay was I was just walking on the field, mind my own business, not doing anything. Some like Argentinean exchange student who was like like four or three, and I was like, I was already like five, like 10, if not higher, came up to me. I was just like in a thick Spanish accent was like, I see you doing the hugs. You need to stop this homosexuality. You need to stop perpetrating this fucking propaganda. You need to stop hugging people. You're just like, you're just really gay, man. You're just really, really gay and you need to stop. And I was like, you don't know anything. You don't know what I'm going through. You don't understand what it's like. And I just ran away. He just bailed. To be fair, he probably didn't understand what it was like. I was fronted on being gay and I didn't even say I wasn't gay. I was just too gay. That's true. See, something about that is not even embarrassing. Yeah, when you look back on it and you just laugh about it and it's like, I was so silly back then. And you show that you've learned and obviously you do it a little different now. You probably hug that motherfucker and make him gay too. That's what I would have done in that situation. Spread it around. Yeah, there's an amount of like, oh, well, I didn't even know I could do that at the time. Wave away like, oh, I was such a stupid bitch. But if you made a mistake like that today, it would be terribly embarrassing. If somebody said, I don't like you and you ran away, come on. Incredible. Literally. My memory is too foggy and there's just too many things that I couldn't really go on a whole tirade about my old days in school. If there's a high demand, I can probably come up with a couple stories later after this podcast. Guys, I think I might need to go soon. Let's just jump to a couple questions if you got a minute or two. I'll actually say one more story that will only take a second. In seventh grade, I forgot the combination to my locker for physical education. And I didn't want to ask the teacher because I didn't want to let him know that I had messed up and forgot my code. So I just stuck my gym clothes into my backpack. And so it stunk up my fucking backpack every single day for the rest of the year. This was on day like three. So for all of seventh grade, I had just kept my gym clothes in my backpack because I didn't want my teacher to think that I forgot my codes, which I did. And then eventually. How embarrassing that would have been. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly. Indeed. Okay, guys, it's time. Thank you, Munchie. Thanks, everyone. Let's switch over to these questions because there's at least one that I need Gib's answer to. Okay. So everyone hashtag SBCP, send them on the Twitter. We take some there. And then, of course, more likely to get them read is if you go to patreon.com slash the procrastinators, enter our patron chat discord. And that's where we ask for more questions. And let me read one from there right now. This is my favorite question the PCB has ever gotten. I love it intensely. It is from famous Chai Wenees singer. And it is simply, do you guys munch it or crunch it? That was the question. That's the question. That's the fucking, well, well, definitely crunch it. Like a fucking sick, sick, crunchy Dorito when I'm doing extreme sports. I actually crunch it as well. I crunch it as well. Yeah, I crunch it because there's a chocolate bar called a crunchy. And I really like those. I crunch it because I like the kinesthetics of chomping into something. I don't know. It's munching. It kind of implies that it's not as powerful as a crunch. But you're munching. It's giving me the same. You know, it's true. A munch. Yeah. Munch is like more powerful, like evil doppelganger is called crunchy. I think it like munchy. Munchy is like casual playthrough of video game and crunch it. And crunch it is like speed, run high intensity, high velocity. Every Uber hacks, you know, that sort of style. Like the other side run no damage. I think there's a time and a place for both. You know, first you want to munch something and then you crunch it. And there's a harmony to be found here. I don't know. You don't need to start a race war. I think munch it. You're going to go crunch or go fuck. Let's enter a wild variable in this one that may change your perception entirely. Do you munch it, crunch it, or slurp it? This is like adding the z-axis to the world. If I could, I would crunch soup. I don't like liquid. Do you put oyster crackers in your soup, perhaps? That adds some crunch. Real talk, I chew my drinks completely subconsciously. Explain that. Or something, how would you chew that? Yeah, if I just take a drink of soda, I'll just like chew it without even realizing it. Oh, that's autism. It's absolutely autism. Not even, not even. Fascinating, fascinating. Oh, I have one embarrassing store I have to sell, just really quick. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I got called autistic one time on the internet. And you ran away. And I was like, you know what, that just, that just has to be true. That just has to be true. I need to know if that is true. Just by some random person, I got called autistic. And so I begged my mom to let me take an autism test. So she took me to a therapist, like to take an autism test to see if I was autistic. And I took it and I wasn't. And I was like, this is not true. This is fake. I have to be autistic. I am autistic. So I was like, I told the therapist, like, there must be something wrong here. I am autistic. I know it. I can feel it. And she was like, no, like you aren't. And then she was like, okay, like, are you ready to do therapy now? Like that's what you signed up for. Like you want to get an autism test. I can help you alleviate whatever pain you have. And I was like, no, no, I don't care about your services. I don't care about human therapy. I just want to know if I was autistic or not. And I still believe that I am. So goodbye, you're worthless to me. You didn't give me the validation I needed. And that sounds like a lot was learned that day. Okay, I'm gonna change things up a little bit. I'm sorry, editor. This will require a little bit of extra work. This image has to be put on screen. This is a hashtag askpcp from the Twitter. And it's simply this. It's simply this. Oh God, what did I paste in the wrong chat? Whoops. Sorry. Hang on. Shit. Right here. Here. There. What is going on here? Is that Jaden Smith in the middle? Is that who that is? Who is that on the right? No, it's not Jaden Smith. Is that Ted Cruz on the left? Oh, by the way, this is from Ask Pro Masticators. Hey guys, what's going on? I have no idea who the two right people are. Wait, no, that's the kid from high school musical. I'm not tall enough to ride this meme. That's the high school musical kid, but I don't know who to get on the right. Is this implying that DeVoo is so white that he deletes the blackness of the movie? Well, there's a middle ground. There's a middle ground, I guess. This picture of DeVoo looks like a creepypasta thumbnail. This looks like a Jeff the Killer episode seven. Okay, well, anyway, that's it. That's it. Our answer to that is yes, a good job. Okay, here we go. Once Parr asks, who was your favorite musician when you were 12? I know that I loved Queen intensely when I was around 12, I think. That is defined by your talent show. Indeed, and accurate. Because I didn't know any bands except the ones my dad said, I just said I liked the Beatles the whole time, because those are good, and I didn't really know how to look at music myself. They can't even drop the fucking bass. Ringo doesn't even know that shit. It took Skrillex to innovate that into the music sphere. Thank God for that. That was the beginning of real music. Dude, can someone please make a dubstep remix of Beatles songs, please? You just like dubstep remix the entirety of the Beatles' choreography for me, please. I need that. That's your homework for tonight. Somebody's probably doing that. From the patron lounge, Vamp and the Vampire, for The Draw Boys, what's the best way for a very beginner level artist to develop their school, their schools? Also, what drawing tablet do you guys recommend? Here's a fucking bombshell I'm gonna drop for you. The kind of tablet you get does not matter. It doesn't matter. It totally doesn't. Yeah, whatever you can afford. Yeah, if you want to get some tink shirt, whatever, does not matter. I will probably use this Wacom tablet to the day I fucking die. I used a Wacom bamboo for like seven years. Yeah, exactly. I had an old Wacom bamboo I used from like 2007 to like literally when I started Real Pixels. That was the one tablet I had. Sponsored by Wacom, the PCP. There you go, please. I will say if you're using a brand that's not Wacom, they tend to have compatibility issues with open source and free programs. So if you're using like Krita or Gimp or whatever, you probably want to get a Wacom, they work better with that. You're gonna want to install Gintu. Get Wacom. Don't do the other weird shit. They aren't good. Unless you're buying them through my Amazon affiliate links and going back all the alternatives, please. In terms of getting better, I just straight up, do gesture drawing. If you want to get better drawing figures, just do like five, then three, then one minute gesture drawings. I will recommend the tried and true classic Andrew Loomis books, Fun with a Pencil. And then I think the other one's called, I think it's just called gesture drawing. Andrew Loomis is good. Yeah. I recommend just draw something and don't stop until it looks good. Like just go in there and go nuts with your pencil tool or your pen tool and just keep Doug going and control Zing as much as you want until you get going with the eraser. And just keep going and don't stop until it feels right. And don't be afraid to use references. As someone who doesn't know how to draw, and I'm definitely 10 times worse at drawing than I would be if I'd use references from the start. As someone who doesn't know how to draw at all, I feel like I gained at least a general understanding by just watching a little bit of streams, specifically Ben streams, the one I've seen. And at least that, I mean, I don't know, it gives you sort of an idea of something you could like try. So, hey man, I know nothing about any of this shit, but that seems like a good place to start. I should stream more drawing. I actually might not recommend that. Really, why is that? That's valid if you want. But the thing with us is that we are do stylized drawings, which is nice and all. But please take it from me who finds it very hard to once they've started drawing, go back and learn anatomy. Learn anatomy. Please, God, learn anatomy. Don't do what I did. Don't, even if you want to draw cartoons. The thing that I confused a lot is that the different, there's a difference, because my reason that I never learned anatomy as a kid, and I still haven't mastered it now, even though I've tried, is that I misunderstood drawing from life as drawing realistically. And I was not interested in all in drawing photorealistically and sitting there and drawing like a pencil study for seven hours. You can sketch from life and draw something really loose and not that detailed while looking at something real that'll help you understand the form better. Exactly, exactly. There's a huge difference. So even when I say do gesture drawing, I don't mean sit there and spend 12 hours rendering hair on the legs. Just look at it so you can understand how the body works and everything and just learn about the line of action in the beginning. I mean, learn about the line of action and learn about anatomy and stuff, but don't get bogged down in it either. Like learn it and be like, okay, now to put it into practice and then just go draw. And then after some drawing, you can come back to it and be like, maybe I should figure this out better than I did. Don't get bogged down and study. Obviously, the best way to draw is to draw. But I'm just saying as a basic, like Andrew Loomis is fun with a pencil, that's good because that teaches you the building blocks of how to construct a figure. But just take it from me. Learn fundamentals. They are important. Even if you want to draw a Steven Universe to your bullshit, it helps to have fundamentals so you can understand 3D space and things such as that. So please... Not everyone's been sane who can get a science degree and just be like, I'm just going to draw now. And then like a month later, he's a god. So like, most people have to actually try. Yeah, sucks for them, I guess. If you want to be good at drawing, draw and quarter yourself because it's not worth doing. It's a waste of fucking time. It's some bullshit and you should feel bad if that's what you do with your life. True. In conclusion, learn fundamentals and learn shit. Learn shit. Drawing is shit. It's all bad. Get rid of it. And it's not good, except I really like it. I like draw. It's really fun. Don't let anyone tell you that it's not fun. But it is for cowards. Yeah, it is the cowards way out. It's the cowards way out. Speaking of the cowards way out, we have a wonderful question from Avada Akbar. It's time to weigh in on this. The official stance of the PCP. If you had to choose which one, which would it be? Israel or Palestine? All right. Let's get it. Who's going to obliterate one and save the other? I'm going to go with Palestine because they're funny, silly boys over there. And I enjoy watching them be hilarious. So I'm going to go with Palestine. Which ones are the good ones? I want to pick the good guys. Tell me who's the good guys and I'll pick them. The real heroes are the, I've got nothing. The real Palestine was the friends we made along the way. It just depends. Do you pick a Wonder Woman or do you pick her opposition? Good question. Good question. By the way, the objective answer is Israel because it has Jerry Seinfeld in their military. Recently, Jerry Seinfeld, this is true. Jerry Seinfeld went to a military tourism camp to learn how to fight Palestinian terrorists in Israel. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. He went with his family. Well, let me just tell you, we don't even need to choose because Palestine can be wiped off a fucking map in like any fucking day now with Jerry on the case. The Pacha is like a bomb going over there. Yeah, the bomb just goes off. Oh my God. He's like, it's like they're marching and he's like playing the trumpet instead of the bop ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba. It's a boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Dude. But like Jerry's going to get to the front lines and across the battlefield, leading the Israel, the Palestinian forces will be George fucking Costanza. George, what are you doing over there? I don't know. I just, there was a hot slut. I wanted to fuck Jerry and now I'm wrapped up in this madness. He outmaneuvers his opponents by using his vast speed as seen in the race. Yeah, exactly. The way he beats the Palestinians, he gets a head start that no one notices and he gets the map a little quicker than anyone else does. Yeah, yeah. Excellent. Well, that says it, everybody. Favorite dead? Oh wait, actually, you know what? That's a terrible question. I don't know. These are all bad. Avada Akbar also asked, do you know the way? Hey, meme, get it? Get it? Uganda? No. Uganda and knuckle? Okay, whatever. That's it. No more good questions. I think they're all good. I mean, bad. They're all bad. That's what I'm trying to say. Yes. Okay, that's it, everybody. All right, thank you. They should all feel embarrassed, right? No, absolutely. There you go. That's what we're implying. Correct. Correct. Step it up, everybody. As always. All right. So, Patreon Lounge. Thank you for the questions. Patreon.com slash the procrastinators. One dollar or more and you can get to the fucking Patreon Lounge and shit and you can hang out with us. Five dollars or more on the Patreon and you get our bonus episodes. There are 10. Yeah, there will be 10. And the next one coming out is going to be a bombshell. 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