 asking you back now that the national assembly approved that the parliamentary pension amendment bill of 2019, which will see more than 375 lawmakers who retired between 1984 and 2001 received a monthly pension of 100,000 Kenyan shillings. kwa kuwa pakekatua iisimita kwa pakekata nga kuwako finelynada kufu na hako wazini... kwa kusisha hako mwa jawa kigiwa kutu na ahuwa futuaan Izaat Morani, Hillary. I'm speaking to political analyst and an accountant, Sahilas Ritso. Good morning and welcome to the broadcast. My name is Dereva Hillary. Morning, sir. Morning, how are you? I'm very well. Yes. This pension thing, do you think it's another insatiable grid by our political elites? It is. Not a lot of thinking but the fact is it is. And this is not the first time they are tabling such a motion in parliament. I remember during the war last time such a motion was tabled in consideration of pension for MPs. And they stated that an MP who has served two terms is entitled to a pension. And then they also envisioned that those MPs who served long time ago, one, they didn't have the privileges the current MPs are having. So they were also like how are we going to consider them, how are we going also to make them benefit from all these things. So the house has turned into a house of grid and a house of passing laws that benefit themselves. And one thing I want to recommend and congratulate the SRC team for their effort they have tried to put in place in order to ensure that the public money is not that wasted. It's not the first time SRC is coming to loggerheads with the parliament. I remember during the war last time I think it was two years back when SRC differed with the parliament. To an extent parliament had to give powers to the parliamentary service commission. So that they have those powers to approve each and everything that benefit themselves. Then there was also a question of mileage where MPs cheat on mileage. There was so many things and I believe because members of parliament have a lot of benefits. I don't see why we should give them a pension. Actually I want us to look at a statement or a comment made by Duale. You have mentioned him several years ago. He said now this one will create a spiral effect within SIVO service in that if the MPs can increase the pension to 100,000, what about the permanent secretaries, cabinet ministers and other SIVO servants? Those are some of the things that we need to sit down and look into because it is not only a smoke. Remember parliament is a law making organ. This is within the constitution. We have three arms of government. The executive which is headed by the president and then have the parliament. Then we have the judicial. Now you see when parliamentarians are talking about increasing their pays and pensions. What about the judiciary that just cried sometimes back it doesn't have money? Where are our priorities when it comes to budget? Where are our priorities because now it's like we don't have priorities as a country. When members of parliament sit to discuss such things this shows this country has money. This country has money that is just lying and people want to get those monies that are lying doing nothing. We have stalled developments. Galana Kulalu is one of the Israel project. First of its kind that never ever picked up. It made the Israeli ambassador to Kenya resign because he said this is a project one of its own kind that has never even picked up in the country. So for my sake I cannot be an ambassador in the country. What does this demonstrate? We lack priorities. When you look at the big four agenda of the president Ture Kenyatta in his 2017 campaign, we are not even an inch to achieve it. There have been watered down by several things. Talk of healthcare, talk of food security. And you see this thing came timely. Healthcare, we are in a health crisis right now. How many times our doctors, nurses gone on strike because of our pay? How many times are our hospitals not fully equipped? How many times our magistrate, our judges have cried? You lack funds. Now talk of food security. How many times have we seen people die of hunger since 2017 after president Ture took office? How many times have we seen floods kill people? We want to pay them. Before I give you another statement by the leader of majority, the International Monetary Fund, this was January this year, had won over taking bomb in Kenya's pension sector as the gap between retirement dues and actual savings continues to grow wider. Kenya, which in 2009 opted to delay the impulsion by raising the retirement age from 55 to 60 years is now facing pension obligations that have ballooned to 2.6 trillion. And now about 30% of GDP. This is much higher than what Kenyans pay as taxes. So to meongezomzi, Gengenia Kulipa, our retired members of parliament. Now the country's tax collection aggregate currently stands at 15.6%. This was by January this year. And now I'm sure in Mepungwa because of COVID-19 people are not remitting their taxes. Now even so, now the leader of majority, Patiha Moskimonya said, let's be fair to MPs who served in this parliament. They are pensionable in the first instance. The only thing we are doing is that someone who is putting the correct value on that 6000 shillings they were entitled to 20 years ago, we can try to question them. Is this fair really? It is not fair because let us sit down and look at the priorities we have. And you see in the same same house, the same same parliament, we don't have a committee for retirees, we have a committee for health, we have a committee for transport, we have a committee for agriculture, education. Why can't parliamentarians waste their energy or invest their energy in discussing very important issues concerning education? Let us ask ourselves, we are in this COVID situation where how are we going to make this situation come 2021? There are no mechanisms in place unless this is just a hoax that the country has been plunged into or we can say it is just but a game that is just being played to oppress a few or to oppress the majority and benefit a few. IMF should, I think it's high time IMF should take action only speaking or issuing statements because we Kenyans are burdened by all these things. When somebody sits and talks of increasing the pension for an MP whereby after he fails to gana that seat, this person will run and ensure that he gets his pension, paid maybe within two weeks or within a month. There is a civil servant somewhere who retired long time ago up to now he has not received his pension. What are we considering? Who is more important? Did this civil servant who retired, who used to pay taxes than this MP who comes and loots from the same civil servant who pays taxes. Remember MPs have a lot of benefits. If he fails to clean a seat, this person will be given a prostitute to head. He will be appointed in any other. There are so many awards these people have. So let us not waste our energies saying that these people should be considered in pension. The person who is supposed to be considered in pension are civil servants. What you are trying to say here is a sentiment or a question that was rather asked by the International Centre for Policy and Conflict Executive Director Ndungu Wainaina who asked now the critical questions would be if the MPs themselves were contributing to a pension scheme. Do they do that actually? No, they don't contribute to any pension scheme. Then why are we giving them money? We don't have a pension scheme for them. So these people are actually looting from the public. They oppress us every now and then. And I've always said the time is coming when the oppressed shall rise up and speak and it will be very worse. No one knew about the Egypt uprising. No one knew about it. No one knew Libya will come and change. No one knew all those things. No one knew France will come. No one knew all these things. But a revolution will come in this country. Now everyone is seeing each endeavor that is happening. Everyone is seeing about the money that is getting lost. Everyone is suffering. A parent who needs to take a child to school in that local village or in that area is not able to take that child to school because of maybe a hundred shillings. But somebody somewhere is taking his or her child to a school paying a hundred thousand comfortably that he has managed to steal from this person who is unable to take a child to school just because of a hundred shillings. So time is coming. Speaking of a revolution and the time coming do you think the current generation we have of our young people is seeing these and they are ready to take them on too? I'm telling you when you go now to social media most of the young people are very active on social media when you look at the social media when you take your time to go through social media just reading and not writing or posting anything for likes and what but just taking your time to read what people are posting on social media the youths are angry. Most people are angry. And many people who are driving the social media are the young people. Are they taking more on the social media? But practically they are not. What I can tell you one thing there is power in this social media we used to undermine it sometimes back but I know there is a lot of power on social media. Why am I saying so? Somebody has just been denied a job because of social media she posted sometimes back now there is a lot of power on social media yesterday there was something that was being aired on one of the media stations about the COVID-19 millionaires when you go to social media even if you didn't watch it but the social media gives you all the story who are these people giving the information they are the young people and I'm telling you the truth time is coming when things now will turn and this will be demonstrated especially in 2022 you will see a lot of change the normal politics that you've been having here and there the historic stories they won't be there. Now moving forward before we look at the patina tissues around the pension scheme and how this money will be used other than other platforms with the current house that has passed actually waiting on the president to ascend to this bill if he does so they will start receiving their money I saw one of them I'm forgetting his name he's saying they are suffering in old age they have mortgages to pay those kind of things they even say they have nothing but now if these people go through do you foresee a situation where another parliament or another group August 12th parliament maybe in the next maybe 15 they will say let's start giving pension to people who served between 2009 and 2013 you see when you set up presidents expects a lot from it and one thing I want to say is this the people who are crying that they have mortgages to pay they are being auctioned it shows the level of maturity and integrity that we voters lack this is a person who was in that house and failed to pass a law to ensure there is sustainable agriculture there are facilities in schools hospitals in all their good roads these are the people who failed so this is a good demonstration of the name compooms that we elect in the agas house so it is a high time we need to change and look into this and as I have said these people have a lot of benefits even when they failed to clean a post to be reelected they have a long life political appointments are always there so why do we have also to come again and reward them for what being the members of parliament one thing you see when the parliament has passed a bill it has been taken to the president there are two things the president signs turns it back for amendments he sends back the parliament for amendments it is always good when he ignores to sign it and it sits there for 14 days it becomes a law so these are some of the things that we need to sit down and look into so it is good if he acts on it it is not the first time an increase benefit for parliamentarian has been sent to him there is a time it was sent to him and he returned it back it was very good so at this time we also need him to act on it either rejects it permanently or because one is also a member of parliament a former member of parliament so let him not look at the benefit he is going to get plus the being if he has the presidency there is another thing another thing that was also passed former speakers former vice president former prime minister and his office the pension the pension that they are going to get is high now take to account this is a member of parliament he was a former member of parliament he has been he has been a minister and also now the president he is now the president now all these positions this person is going to get pensions on them thank you the answer is now coming on board we have a statement here that was issued 12th this is about the parliament pension amendment bill of number 45 which was passed by the national assembly and now it is passed by His Excellency president now the RSAC is mandated by the constitution to set and regularly review the remuneration and benefits of all state officers further the salary and remuneration commission act in section 11G vets on SRC they mandate to make recommendations to the government on the review of pensions payable to current and past holders of public offices so the RSAC is opposing this particular bill and they want the president not to sign it actually we will listen into a clip I don't know if it's ready the the SRC is against it yes let's listen into what the SRC has to say about this statement or the bill rather in a health crisis which has occasioned an economic crisis in this country so given the current economic concerns that we have on the impact for instance and even before Covid-19 our economy was struggling so really this is the wrong time to push for an increase in pensions and to push for such a bill and we therefore ask our leaders to be very sensitive about the crisis that we are in at this point this is a misguided move that seeks to perpetuate the culture and the cultural jobs that are limited we do know as Kenyans that a significant portion of Kenyans are in the informal sector now that's the statement but according to SRC if the bill is enacted into law as proposed it shall be it shall not only apply additional burden to taxpayers but shall set a precedence and ripe effect for public officers to demand for equal treatment even these ones are acknowledging or foreseeing if mume faniwa and you can imagine the number of civil servants in this country other organizations the first people who will rise to ask for an increase in pensions are the teachers they are only the good people who come out and cry for their rights then they will be followed by the doctors then others will follow suit so we need to protect ourselves we need to protect our country and it is a high time we need to set our priorities right we have the big for agenda let the president think of how the parliament is going to help him implement the big for agenda we are seeing 140 million sipes amingimandili it is a lot of money it is just like when somebody said I saw Kani Nikega the other time saying that a referendum money is available fine we are not objecting and that's why I told you there is a money in this country that only members of parliament know where it is and how to get it and eat it but for us we know the country has no money so when we misplace our priorities and put other things that don't matter to a common monainji in place then we are a country that is set to punish its own people but gain and this is a culture that we need to get to run away from we need to ensure we develop our country let us look at Ethiopia how it has managed I am not saying it is good but look at how it has managed its own people look at how it has established itself okay from the money it gets from its taxpayers look at also Tanzania there are so many things Tanzania has done from its own money okay we have the BRT the BRT we are grappling with here in the country Tanzania has implemented it very well and it is doing nicely Rwanda implemented it very well but for us here we are depending on loans in this country Kenyan will pay and it goes to few individuals pocket these are some of the things that we need to see done as Kenyans and do you think the reason is to why these people eat our money without any case because you see it is not all about no it is all about Kenyan who is not even concerned about a penny in his country and individual in Kenya who is not even concerned about the taxes he pays he is not even concerned what the taxes do he is not even concerned about the little he gives to the government and his expectations are not met he is not concerned he is not concerned because he did not give me something he did not give me 500 shillings he did not give me 100 shillings he did not even do this these are misplace priorities it is high time we need to step up and take accountability of each and every member of parliament not that he has not given me 500 shillings because when we fail we are supposed to ask citizens and voters of this country then they get a priority to steal because when this person comes and gives you that 500 and this person is depending on salary so you are making this person to steal CDF money it is high time we need to vote for integrity in a manner that we are voting a person who is going to deliver not by giving me handouts but by assuring there is good road good pipe water electricity good infrastructures in school these are some of the things that we need to sit down and look into not somebody who is going to give me handouts we need to vote in somebody who will go to the parliament and play their roles of oversight legislative very well and ensuring that we have a road somewhere a project for the road construction in this country road network in this country the parliament should ensure that there is a timeline and when that timeline comes to pass and the road network is not complete the way it is supposed to be per kilometer a very serious intensive debate should be in parliament let us see our parliamenters debating why is it that the road network was supposed by 2020 we were supposed to have these parameters of road why is it that we don't have those parameters of road what is happening we need to see the minister of road in parliament being questioned on these things that's what we call oversight we need to see our members of parliament asking minister of health about pensions concerning our health system we need to improve it but we are not doing that actually these are the things that I want us now to look into we are in the middle of pandemic we have the house, the senate they have taken their sweet time to pass the revenue allocation I don't know the ninth time what they will say or they still wait and then we have the parliament we need to discuss about the pension of their former colleagues in the middle of pandemic now such kind of money should the house be sitting to pass policies and measures that we will see our doctors have been paid or they have been increased because they always cry of being understaffed and now we have the equipment actually they are being looted I don't know should these be the things the parliament should be doing or what the repetition now it's for the ministries to implement what was passed the work of the parliament is to assure there is service delivered to the people that is their work that is what is oversight there is what you call legislate they need to pass those laws that will protect manainchi so whereby when any goes astray let the law take its course we have representation whereby they represent the people who sent them to that house but we are lacking all this accountability the basic of all is accountability whereby alagziti or the ignorant part of the voter in making his member or governor accountable is a plus plus to this member of parliament and the governor that's why you see parliament and the senate will waste time debating on how to share 15% to the counties and not how to ensure there is even 60% going to the counties that is why parliament or senate will sit down to impeach a governor when things have gone wrong but they failed to protect so failure to protect high rate of impeachment will occur so the only need to do is to have good governance and the only way to achieve good governance is to have good people in place good elected members of parliament in place who are focused on this and it is the it is the role of you and I the voter we need to do this you have mentioned about many times and the voter is almost the same person who will tomorrow come and tell you I have this idea I know when I go there I will implement ABCD we have been speaking of the pandemic and many people are back home we have seen increased gender best violences we have seen people becoming ill in terms of mental wellness they are not okay is it my problem as the voter for the parliamentarians not to pass policies or to come up with measures that will see the populars are protected in terms of if they are back home they have enough food like it happens to other countries we saw them being fed by their government here in Kenya actually they have withdrawn the 100 1000 they were sending weekly to vulnerable families it is the role of a voter yes it is the same voter will come to you and ask you for that vote I don't object it is true but I always have an underlining word in bold and capital letters accountability when I talk of accountability I call upon each and every Kenyan call your leader unto accountability one ask this person yes you promise this and this remember the MP is always in the when the session is on is in the parliament on Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday okay Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday the member of parliament he is supposed to be in his constituency on Monday Friday Saturday and even Sunday but you see what we have decided to do or what we have encouraged we as citizens we as voters we who always cries is we want to see a member of parliament coming in my area and telling me oh it is this versus this okay it is either this or this it is not all about my member of parliament coming and telling me I was because you send me to represent you in this house I have managed to do this I have managed to do this I have managed to table this and from what I have tabled this is what has been implemented this is waiting implementation this has been rejected because of this and this okay or this one I am still working on it we have a constitution we have something called public participation remember every bill that goes to the parliament has to have what is called public participation the finance bills, the health bills, all those bills even the education because it touches mona inch down there so they need public participation so we need to interact and what the voter needs to know is that we need to be involved in all these things when my member of parliament is going to table a motion in the parliament remember this is my representative that I have sent there to legislate and oversight so there are two things he is going to do to legislate ensuring that bill passes two, to oversight and ensure whatever he passed is being implemented that's what you call oversight now when I sit with him the question, the hard questions I should be asking my member of parliament and you see when KBC airs the senate proceedings or the parliament proceedings it is for us to first of all get the real picture of what my member of parliament is doing in that house one two it is for me to know the bills that are being passed in that house how do they affect me in one way or the other positive or negative but we are busy but we have kept ourselves so busy ok ignorance has made us not even attain this and also when my member of parliament comes to my area where I voted him we have that consistency office he should be coming not getting cries of only bazaris no the question that should be on this tray one should be how many bills have you passed ok that benefits me in this constituency ok how many how many bills are you looking for to pass and how are you going to involve us in this bill so that we ensure this is what we are achieving or when are you sitting with us so that we have this memorandum we want you to present the parliament as the people of Makadara constituency as the people of Kandil constituency as the people of Mukureni those constituencies we need to hear in parliament that in my constituency I was there this is what we are looking forward to this is what you want and we are requesting for this and this and this that is the role of the parliament now if these people do not do that should we the electorates take it to the streets to make them pass policies that will see the food security in this country we are secure we are safe from natural calamities like the floods because actually these are the things that can't be controlled if we had the dams like the project the northern collector tunnel which was downplayed other project that came down should now with the people speaking of the revolution you mentioned should we take it to the streets on this particular thing one you see when you talk of the dams and whatever Ethiopia is building a dam from Rivanail true or false actually as you respond to that let's hear what our people are saying regarding this matter we have captain Muammar he says hello I'm Gaddafi watching the show from Witalia Maraba thank you so much the word those mpigs this is Eric Ortiz and then we have El Pose he congrats to the idea reason in Ijuwate Hio Pesa in Gekulonahawa say utupima sanana suti wameva I think he's trying to say it's a good idea one foot in Gekulonahawa then we have then everybody should be paid in this country for doing nothing they do nothing Ademilo Kingori Magumu says never ever they are just the same as the ghost workers and they shouldn't be paid even they shouldn't be paid even a single coin kinangopa watching as usual thank you Ademilo we have realist ex-smok the words used people are putting here what about social amenities what about teachers nurses doctors people who are the true leaders of our society they should know a revolution is coming thank you so much realist ex-smok we have Huirupol good morning watching the show from New York County Emmanuel Cimeo Wafula says no those guys looted enough to sustain them why should our tax cater for them after retirement yet some of them are facing major scandals with pending cases in courts these are big no let that money be directed to feed the hungry and improve lifestyles of the poor and on Twitter we have at Alex Kimutai he says they stole while in office now they want to steal when out can't happen and at court in Phillip King says I don't agree those are the thieves I think we have some other two comments here from Twitter this is at Bella this issue says this is Kenya everyone does what they want dear Mr President that is a hashtag everyone is suffering people dying muslessly we should act now not wait till voting we will all be blinded once more and at real schemas after politics no compensation you campaign living in a house and having a car why buy a bigger car bigger house that's why Europeans MPs, Prime Ministers ride bikes to work while we have gasoline on poor roads say it's a sad affair he continues to say if you can't sustain your lifestyle after politics do not go into politics if you can't survive on a car house you had after being a leader do not go into politics why is that leaders need to change their lifestyles at that expense okay I'm saying so people are agitated by this particular and you are mentioning about the social media and this is a real picture they use are agitated by this idea and also we are complaining they want this money wali tumia pesawakati wanini but we informed part of them they made the roads they never worked in these are the people who fought for the independence I am told so fighting for independence is one thing okay ensuring there are good roads you are managing yourself you are ruling yourself and governing yourself very well it's another thing which you are not doing we fought for independence because we believed the white man is taking our land that you and I are supposed to tell okay we fought for independence because we believed the white man rule is an oppression to a black man okay but right now a black man rule is an oppression to a fellow black man okay so we are in what you call neocolonialization right now a black man is oppressing a fellow black man these are some of the things that we need to change sure okay and as I mentioned earlier the youths that we see right now they have known the power of social media right now most youths are not socialites on social media but they have decided to speak the truth they have decided to watch the government true okay they have decided to watch their leaders and I also want to to commend the work the LSK is doing it is also helping the common monainchi in being a government watchdog these are some of the things that we need to do these are some of the things that we need to put in more effort and if we continue this way if we keep on this spirit I am telling the truth come 2022 people will make good choices people are not going to make bad choices remember our constitution that the constitution the MPs have decided not to implement it fully because when I see constitution implementation committee that was headed by Chai its term came to an end handed over the responsibility of the parliament there is a committee in parliament that is the commission commission implementation committee in parliament headed by Dandaragwa MP Yelima Kiyoni they have decided not to fully implement this parliament the constitution but bring us another thing the amendment now because one the constitution if fully implemented this constitution is one of the best constitution because there is that power of recall I need to recall my MP because he is not doing anything in the parliament because he is not doing the responsibility I sent him to do in the parliament I want us to listen into some argument in the parliament regarding the pension how you should be paying them 100,000 for being the MPs for that particular period of time they served in the first parliament and by those people they never went home many of them served more than 3 times, 5 times they were good MPs and by then there were no people unlike now say it na nga nga ni because we want to become rich let's listen into some of the arguments in parliament the National Assembly is in keeping with the recommendation of the Akiwomi Tribunal that the former lawmakers be paid an equivalent of 1000 dollars each as leaving pension from July 1st 2010 most of these people when you see them the money that they need is basically for medication many of them are aging and are sickly but they have nothing really to even buy a medicine the Parliamentary Service Commission had previously adopted the Akiwomi report putting in motion a protracted engagement to increase the monthly pension to 100,000 shillings one was to look at the current the best terminology that someone who was entitled to 6000 in 20 years ago what is the current value of that 6000 today so that they can at least we can try to cushion them against the vagaries of inflation plus all those things because they serve this country with honour some current lawmakers have however expressed concerns that the passage of the bail is likely to have ripple effects in the public service it will create a spiral effect within the civil service in that if the members of Parliament can increase their pension to 100,000 what about us the bail presents a new dawn as it will see former legislators who have been I think you got it right in the Parliament the argument MP bad disease these people are old they are sick we need money to cater for them and the majority leader says we need to cushion them actually now they are trying to lobby for their colleagues they are protecting themselves and you see it's a dangerous thing what about that retired teacher in that village we saw another time a retired nurse somewhere in Kilifi in the past distributing masks where did she get money this is just a sacrifice they decided to do what about that MP who retired long time ago what is he doing nothing but it's depending on pension this is what we call place priorities and let each and every Kenyan, let each and every youth what youth should do denounce handouts denounce handouts vote in eligible leaders okay what in eligible leaders the yester years of parliament was a good parliament a parliament of sound mind where people met in the house to debate on an issue that affects Munaichi and coming up with solutions but today's parliament is full of psychophans is full of remote controlled people okay this is where we lose we lose it but when we have people who know that my role actually is representation legislative and oversight and I have to execute my role to the latter then it will be good when the president was changing the leadership of the house he said I want to bring people who will ensure the government agenda passes does he want to tell me that a pension of an MP is a government agenda does he want to tell me that a referendum is a government agenda okay that will benefit Munaichi because I believe the government agenda headed by the president is the big for agendas okay food security good health housing and things to do what is it infrastructure I think infrastructure these are some of the very important things that could have given a score card to the government but none of these members of the leader of majority is discussing these things when you go to the senate they have taken all time debating on revenue share they are fighting 15% they are fighting over 15% forgetting about 85% okay that lies unaccounted for it is high time we get people in parliament and senate who are ready to defend the common Munaichi on their priorities actually I feel amikoli patabu with the issue right now the schools are closed we have been speaking of the teenage pregnancies and we have heard all manner of stories how our teens are getting pregnant the exchanging their bodies for pads they used to get the sanitary towels in schools but now they are home should the members of parliament be sitting down and address the issue on how these ladies or our sisters should be getting the sanitary towels now that they are not in school you see we have the these seats the women MP women reps okay these are some of the things these people should be discussing the parliament these are some of the things that should come to an end at this time we should not be having people in our community like in sanitary pads because of the leadership structures that we put in place these women rep they have a budget okay they have a kitty what are they doing with that kitty let each and every Kenyan know let each and every youth know a woman rep has a kitty a very big kitty what are they doing with that kitty all right the ladies I'm sure you're hearing this make sure you follow it up we want to take a very short break and when we come back we'll continue with the discussion I hope you're getting something you're learning from our discussion this morning let's take a very quick short break we'll be back soon do not go too far thank you for keeping us company and if you just tuned in this is why in the morning my name is I'm speaking to Sarah's political analyst we are looking into the pension fiasco of our members of parliament who want to be paid or the current parliament has okayed them to be given 100,000 monthly years of their pension for being our MPs those days from 1984 to 2001 no question we are asking you are you okay with this should the members of parliament who are not serving you currently be paid their pension should they all our social media platforms we are Y254 channel and Twitter is at Y254 channel my handle is at my name is Dereva Hilary welcome back as we were mentioning about our ladies being taken care of by the women what are they doing I don't know what they are doing but they are waiting for that political time that campaign time to make sense to make sense and distribute those things but right now what are they doing nothing our daughters or sisters are at home they lack this thing what I believe we should not I don't believe in making someone depend on you no put mechanisms in place that will make these people rely on themselves put mechanisms in place that will make it easy for these people to acquire these pads that they need to use okay we don't need to force them to get these pads through other mechanisms for us to have a brighter future for us to have a good future and ensure our girls are protected if they are not protected okay then we have destroyed our nation remember when you go to population okay when you go to population or the census report in any country women are always more than men so we need to protect our nation because if we leave them suffer they are suffering they will give birth to children okay in the state they are today they will live poor okay we shall have higher rate of educated persons in the country we shall have higher rate of unemployment in the country remember when she gets pregnant she is going to give birth the population is increasing the population is increasing they are going to give birth to babies okay they will grow at a time then a nation population when the census will be carried out it will have increased okay job opportunities in the country are now there okay any sustainable activity is not there in the country so what are we actually I think ministerial affairs should be treated like health already it should be if we can treat people with noncommunicable diseases like tuberculosis for free if the ARVs have been given and you see altogether it's a question of molarity but of course why can't we have the sanitary towers be made to be like our free thing in this country mentioning of that affirmative action should be put in place ensuring that one you see there's this thing when you talk of AIDS and tuberculosis there's this thing that is called condom or CD when you go to a pub they are there for free subside or public toilets they are there why can't we have the same on these sanitary pads why can't we have them in these public toilets in this thing and that's what I'm saying the women rape a woman rape should stand in the parliament and table such a bill in the parliament to ensure that these things are all over because I believe in this town the washroom that you go to we don't share so they can have their own there let them be distributed through county governments or through community health workers in those areas so when these things are distributed remember this thing comes mindfully when they are distributed we shall manage this thing in a better way let them work with interested parties or those private institutions or any other stakeholder who may think this is a brilliant idea but you see the only idea they could come around this issue was a reproduction bill which is told the reproduction bill is told but you see when you look into the reproduction bill itself what are their priorities as much as we throw stones to our girls that they are pregnant the question we should be asking ourselves is this what mechanisms have we put in place to ensure we protect bring this to a stop we talked of FGM mechanisms were put in place to ensure that FGM is managed and comes to an end so what mechanisms are you putting in place to ensure our girls acquire pads one, either they should sell pads at five shillings like you see something like salt has never increased so let them make a pad be available to each and everyone let these companies that come produce pads manufacture pads manufacture washable pads okay when masks came they were telling us you disposed your mask but you see it was expensive somebody somewhere sat and came up with an innovation masks are that are washable okay let me buy once and wash it or let me have two masks and wash rather than keep buying because it will be expensive so let us have high distribution rates of washable sanitary pads okay to our girls, to our sisters to our daughters because this thing is taking around direction and we are losing a generation that is what we are losing we are building a poor nation because a poor girl gives birth to a poor child true no miracles will happen for this person to become rich because this person has a very poor remember this person want to go to school you've gotten pregnant because you lack that shilling to go and buy a pad now there was an issue that was raised by one of the respondents here who mentioned about the gas laws in our country these MPs have big vehicles they are the people who own the best hotels in town they have the people who have a chance of land how do you work when you work they were being rewarded for being loyal and now we want to pay them someone here is asking this is misifaba but of Godel why should they get paid that money should be used for development development of the roads and the other person was saying the european nation they work as the service where can we have our people here being our leaders for service purposes not for money purposes comparing the two the european leaders and the kenyan leaders the european leader we ride on a bicycle going to the office the kenyan leader we drive a v8 the gazela the gazelas are fully conditioned safe house that's a safe house when you are inside all windows locked and tinted you still get fresh air because it is air conditioned nicely that is why this person cannot think of constructing a road where he comes from or even the sewers they don't feel it but a person who is riding a bicycle going to work he will think of let me make sure that there is a road here a termact road and clean so that to avoid myself from dust because I need to be in the office and need to be neat okay because a kenyan leader wants to be neat in the office the windows will be closed when he is passing there is no dust on him when he is walking he will light up the parliament goes to the house he is very neat but that person is riding a bicycle goes to the house to the office very neat why? the bicycle made him realize that I need to do more service delivery it all starts with me okay it all starts with me true and that's where we need to be actually he is the time now there is another thing that was mentioned here trying to get that comment but it's an example or it's an outcry why are they being paid many in the parliament they were arguing they served us and we have mentioned a few of the things but now I want us to go back to the full security and malnutrition they have been saying kenyans this is what you should be eating how do I get what to eat if I don't have money where are the policies to make sure I have enough money in my pocket and is this food available and cheap for me and you see that is what youth and kenyans should be asking themselves when we fund somebody for presidency okay what had this person done from where he comes from they have full security from where he is coming from they are good health systems where he is coming from because I believe most people want to be presidents have been MPs Senators, governors so what have they done first of all to that area to that small area they have been representing what have they done these people should not be paid these monies let these monies go to something else let us improve our health sector let us improve our culture let us have sustainable activities for our own people we come up with short term activities for the youths like Kazim Tani is a short term thing and my clarion call for the youths I can ask you stop even doing those jobs because it doesn't benefit it is not sustainable it is not sustainable let us sit down and start doing sustainable things let us engage ourselves in sustainable activities not short term activities we live for a short time we give handouts because they believe we are short term people let us stop being short term and short-sighted in that same bread your final recommendations my final recommendation is that President Urukeniata should have amendments on that bill and return it back to the parliament okay and let parliament not waste its time discussing on how to increase its own pension and yet itself does not even contribute to any pension scheme so let us be vigilant and I want to call upon the youths okay let us call our leaders on to accountability that is the only thing that will serve us as a nation alright thank you so much Asailas for coming and highlighting and putting things into perspective our call has been made here for you electorate how you vote your leader what they see they will do will they do it and we need to be of sound amount we denounce the handouts that has been Asailas for you we were looking into the pension if it does then it becomes a low and these people the former MPs from 1984 to 2001 will start receiving a monthly pension of 100,000 Kenyan shillings that's close to they are about 350 of them up to that particular period of times that's a lot of money which will go to people who worked and like you have said in your comments here they looted I don't know how true is that maybe they were good people in there anyway we should be focusing on other things food security health and of course even our health system when you are speaking about our girls thank you so much for being part of us my name is Adereva Hilewi have yourself a very good day and good morning