 I wrote it on divine providence because there's a lot of people that there's so many topics and themes out there but for me divine providence is kind of what encapsulates all of them when we learn how to trust and follow our intuition and the spirit and that's where all the problems disappear because the problem was really a problem of listening and following and once we listen and follow then it kind of brings us into an experience where we see that we have everything and we are whole and complete and innocent and there's nobody to blame or... there's no striving and struggling once you're in that state of acceptance so to me that's what divine providence is all about it's not so much just... it doesn't have a particular form what I teach people with divine providence is that everyone is living in divine providence because we're all being sustained by this beautiful spirit and it's only these ego overlays that teach us that we have to play these roles and we have to take on these earthly responsibilities and obligations and feel guilty and feel less fan and all that and I teach that everyone is really in divine providence but they don't know it they're being sustained by the love of God every moment, every day but they have a lot of training and conditioning where they believe that that either others are supporting them people, governments, neighbors, family or they believe that they personally are in charge of their life that they are the ones that are in control they're the ones driving the car and it's kind of a sense of autonomy and I can do it all on my own kind of thing and that's just as much of an ego defense as believing that other people are taking care of you so often in childhood we do feel very dependent when we seem to come and bring this world with us it's a dependency setup where we feel like we're dependent on parents and then we go through adolescence and work on more, getting more autonomy once you seem to become an autonomous, mature, functioning adult citizen you still have stresses and struggles of trying to carry the burden of being the one individual that's in charge of your life and not really understanding why you can't have it go so smooth why does it have to have so many pitfalls and so many temptations and struggles and that's just because again the ego is still and they're trying to steer the ship trying to run the show and we haven't fully just let ourself be like a leaf in the river just carried down the stream when we learn how to really trust and be carried then that's when it gets very easy for us so we want this to be practical so that's why all these gatherings I show up in willingness and then everyone talks from their heart from what's going on in their life and the things that they've found helpful and where they seem to have their stuck spots and like that and then we call upon the Holy Spirit to just bring clarity for all of us it's like everybody seems to have individual problems but really they aren't it's just the ego is the problem Speaking of driving a car there seems to be a lot of pain brought up collectively in the world in regard to the increased gas price can you talk about that from the perspective of the Holy Spirit? yeah it's like what seems to be when the world goes through economic downturns, recessions we were talking about that on the way here when Tom was driving that he was saying that when the US dollar goes down and the US economy goes down a lot of other economies are seemingly interdependent on that and there are so many fluctuations when I've just been traveling through Europe people were telling me that over a number of years Ireland has really been booming economically growing and growing and the housing growth and the industries and so forth but Tom was saying it's starting to peak off and come down a little bit now along with a lot of countries that are kind of going through that including the United States with the so-called subprime crisis and lending out all this money and not so ethical practices in lending and so it does you start to see that everything is like an undoing whereas the world seems to have its peaks and its valleys in terms of economic and social advancements and technological advancements that all of it is really just an opportunity to learn to listen in a deeper, clearer way and to become more God dependent more dependent on your intuition is the positive interpretation of all this because in the Bible the teaching was from Jesus except you become as little children you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven and in A Course in Miracles he explains the meaning and says little children, infants are completely dependent on their parents and the adults in their lives for survival if they were just left out in the woods as an infant without any kind of care then they wouldn't survive so he was saying the meaning of except you become as little children you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven is that you need to likewise be as dependent as little infants are on their parents on you need to do that with the Holy Spirit or your intuitive inner voice you need to be so dependent on only that voice that you hear only that voice in order to enter the kingdom of heaven you can't rely on opinions and conclusions and judgments and past learning to get you there or some of you might remember the original Star Wars series where in one of the series Luke has to go back to what this giant thing construction called the Death Star and he's got to go inside of the Death Star and he's got to get to the core flying his spacecraft and he's got to make a direct hit in the middle of the Death Star in order to dismantle to shut down the Death Star and he's going in there and he thinks it's almost like an impossible mission but he's trying to do it and then he gets closer and closer he's like seeing how it's just feeling overwhelming and impossible for him to make this direct hit and then you hear the voice use the force Luke you know it's like that's again a Holy Spirit metaphor for you have to have guidance you're not going to wake up from this dream and you're not going to forgive without that still voice in your mind leading the way it doesn't matter how many workshops you've done how many books you've read how many places you've traveled in the end it comes down to intuition is going to have to take you into this be still and know that I am God down to the final conclusion of this dream and the Holy Spirit is there the Spirit is there to guide you in this journey you were driving the plane first place anyway yeah you were doing that like it was kind of like that when I was going on it was kind of like okay I got you where are we going next the eyes being covered is more I'm not going to use my impressions and past learning and that's what Luke has told you to use the force in other words his instrument panel is not going to do it all of his skills and abilities that he's learned in his training is not going to do it it's going to be kind of the voice of the Holy Spirit saying use the force let me guide you in from here to dismantle this Death Star and the ego is like the Death Star it's this belief in your mind that you're separate from God and it has to be seen as nothingness it has to be dismantled or shown that it's not real and true so to use that kind of movie metaphor we have to truly let go and follow guidance and in my life too I've seen that nothing I ever learned from this world it has never really brought me peace of mind so I needed a new purpose it wasn't that I had any regret about those 11 10 years in university and all the training it was that all those skills and abilities were still being used by the ego to make and maintain a personal identity a mask over my Christ self and then I needed a new purpose for all those skills and abilities so I had no regrets it wasn't like I felt like I wasted any time or wasted anything it was just all turned to a new purpose so in terms of the rising guest prices and everything it's all symbols and sometimes when things seem to be taken away from us or we can't play the game of bigger, better, faster and more it starts to break down a bit kind of like Alice in Wonderland where she just kind of goes tumbling down the rabbit hole I think that's part of what's happening and in human history and what seems to unfold in part of human history a lot of that the lesson of things seeming to fall apart and break down there's still forecast from the ascended masters that there will still be a lot of economic growth on the planet you know that's just kind of expands and contracts and that's going to continue on we're not going to reach a stage of like some people were saying in 2012 it will all be over anyway we'll all be back in heaven so we could just make it four more years this expansion and contractions is just way, way out on the surface of consciousness and for those that really decide to go much, much deeper beyond the surface they will find there's a lot the peace is there it's always been there regardless of how the forms shift and change I have no idea how a few years ago I thought it seems to be gas prices everything's more expensive I thought wonder how this is going to work with me traveling and living off donations and maybe I'll just be up in a tree house somewhere and just meditating or something but actually it's like the spirits like that's nothing wherever there's a strong call wherever you're guided to go it will always flow and that's the way that it's continued it really hasn't been there's been no sense where I've had to stop and go okay Jesus it's worked for 16 years but we've got rising gas prices we've got global warming and this and this and this and he's like oh please, please seeing this getting back to our theme it will appear to me that forgiveness is healing is there a record of that yeah there's an anonymous forgiveness so the best thing you could ask anybody or help anybody who is sick is to ask them to forgive whatever it is they're holding on you know and it's deep I mean I was in Switzerland very recently and I spoke all on Saturday spoke all on Sunday and this man but our theme David our theme is forgiveness and we really, really need to be practical we need to have a I need a process or I need some kind of direct thing and so I I talked a little more but it's you have to come deeper into this idea that forgiveness is not what we've thought it was that's the reason why the forgiveness hasn't worked in the sense of bringing a lasting state of peace of mind because the egos got in there and thought I can play the religion game I'll just make up a false sense of forgiveness and have people go after that thing and then when they don't get it they'll get all this disillusioned and feel despair and so forth but we have been trying to hold on like people would tell me for years they would say forgive David yes yes but never forget and I'd be like oh that sounds really sounds wicked sounds like creamy and nice forgive forgive for the soft tone but never forget you know with a finger and I'd be like mmm but no this is what's going on where we've forgotten love and now I say true forgiveness is we have to have a reverse amnesia we have to forget this world and remember the love instead of forgetting the love and remembering this world so if they're going to say to me forgive but never forget I'll just say forgive illusions and never forget the love of God don't use the never forget with grievances I'm implying that I mean I've heard historians tell me that's why we study the past so that we won't make the same mistake again that really has worked with the wars we had to sit through all those classes and study all this history of all these different things throughout history and conflicts and then here we are what's going on with parts of the world are rack in different places it's still the same old same old so we have to we have to actually come to a humble place and say well what we've tried before has not worked so we need to be open to something that's completely different and new and to me that's what I found in using A Course in Miracles I found a teaching that said forgive your brother for what he has not done at first you just look can you say what did I say what is that for what he has not done clearly he seems to have done this and this and that you know we have the memories nowadays with technology we have it recorded people can say I've got it on on tape it's not only my memory I've got it on video tape or DVD but it's like what he's saying the whole belief in linear time is part of the trick that we're not trying to forgive we're not trying to deny what seemed to happen but we're saying that maybe our perception our interpretation of what we think happened to us against our own will or against our choice maybe that was part of the trick and a mistake there's a movie that was done in Australia called Dark City where there's actually a scene in a major motion picture where the whole dark world is his false memories that have been mixed and matched kind of like a reincarnation compressed into one dark world where roles keep shifting around and there's one scene where the main character comes and he's in prison and he's behind glass and his wife comes and she feels bad because she's sure that she committed adultery that she's hurt her husband and his psychological problems are her fault and she's really sad she's got great remorse and he kind of leans forward and he says you didn't do it and she's like I didn't do it I had to just look at her face and he said to me he said no what if we never met before this moment and he's like getting this huge insight that the world of images has been a trick and that it's all been based on a false identity to make guilty that this whole world was made to perpetuate feelings of guilt and shame and hurt and sadness and what if this trick is actually just a trick and that we can see that we can meet in the moment for the first time without any sense of of the past like the power of now like all the ancient traditions have said learn to live in the moment what if the present moment offers us the release of every problem and difficulty we've ever had and Jesus is right when he says that the present moment is the closest approximation that this world offers to eternity that this is our real opportunity maybe he meant it when he said the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand that was a simple statement 2000 years ago but a hand is very close if you just take it in the most simple direct way the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand maybe he was saying it's so close it's closer than your breath you know it's more intimate than even breathing for a human being it's so close so for me that's really what my journey has been with the Course I don't read the book anymore I have read it for a number of years I feel like my life experience is like the living of Course in Miracles where we just landed in Sweden and we had like two weeks of gatherings coming up in Sweden and I was just laying reclining after my trip to Berlin and getting back and she looked over at me and she said have you prepared and I said prepared do you even think about the gathering of people having an hour? we were about to begin she was just looking at me do you think about the gathering where I am that was the answer I am but it wasn't a thought because preparation involves the future if you're I'm very much like Wayne Dyer for example he loves to go and just sit down on a stage for the group of people and savor the moment and see what happens and that's from someone who is very shy and timid who wouldn't even attempt to go on a stage before and certainly would have wanted to have some cue cards or some notes like I had when I was in graduate school and ten years of university I would study and prepare and memorize things but this is not that at all this requires no preparation and in fact you can't really prepare for the present moment at all as soon as you're into the preparations it seems to push it off into the future and that's why I think Jesus has a section in his book Course in Miracles which is I Need to Do Nothing which he talks about long hours of meditation and fighting against sin and these are the most traditional approaches to God that we've known in this planet for centuries people have used these techniques he calls them tedious and time consuming so then you're like okay, tedious and time consuming what have you got and he says your way will be different not in purpose but in form it's like a holy relationship a means of saving time for everyone including yourself and then he goes on to explain what that is he just says you and your brother are together which I say is his way of saying you're really just one mind you think you've separated yourself out into all these separate little personalities but you're really just one that's why it's simple that's why you can achieve the whole enlightenment in one instant if you really want it is because everything's already unified you just have blocked it from your awareness and you can accept that any moment you want he'll say that in the workbook perhaps today I was like yeah, okay perhaps today I'm gonna take that approach every day every moment that's the way I did those workbook lessons I didn't see it as one lesson in 1965 it was perhaps today who knows there may never be a tomorrow so why should I plan and prepare as if there is a tomorrow so that's pretty radical when you, I mean one of my degrees in the university was urban planning so I spent five years how to learn to project things into the future and analyze things and like you would do if you were planning a city you know the infrastructure and the communication systems and transportation systems and electrical systems and everything and then I had to just kind of let it all go ten years of education just poof out the window and then Jesus said I'll use them don't worry it's a good skill that you developed it was the ego that developed the skills but he's like oh, I'll take them over now and use them for happiness and joy for the whole universe and okay okay I'll go for that it seems radical I mean sometimes people think it's radical like when I was down in Australia there was a woman sitting next to me that they brought in this eastern master it's twice I've done gatherings with female eastern masters and this one hadn't eaten anything for fifteen years she was a breatharian and she's had a cup of tea here and there and so I opened the gathering by saying we're all working on forgiveness but we have some extreme examples I said this one hasn't eaten anything for the last fifteen years this one eats whatever he's served no matter what it is everyone's like I said but your path need not be so extreme it's not about the food don't worry it's not it's not an issue of food it's not an issue of eating or not eating whatever it's much deeper than that and then we got into talking about the experiences of forgiveness and healing so that's that's what it's about and forgiveness is healing if anybody has any questions just feel free to you mentioned your posters there about your creations are holding their hands I think what do you what is meant by that what are your creations what is meant by that of course Marcus is something that always comes that's a good question well God is like the prime creator and Christ is the creation of God and then Christ has creations so when it's mentioned in the course your creations like on that quote with a small C it's meaning you as Christ have creations and they're waiting for you it's like in form the animals and the plants and the trees and all the different aspects of the cosmos none of that involves creations those are all perception and projections actually of the ego but creation it's almost like in this world you get children come from their parents you get apples from apple trees and oranges from orange trees you know you there's like such a thing as offspring in this world and just like in the Bible the baguettes baguette baguette baguette and if you shift that up to a spiritual realm you could say that spirit comes from spirit so that God is spirit and Christ is an extension of that spirit and creations are an extension of Christ so they all come in a continuous line of creation of God being the originator and in fact Christ is an idea that's still in the mind of God and then the creations of Christ are still in the mind of Christ which is still in the mind of God so so yeah it's like nothing has really left its source the creations are all aware of their source so when it says a quote like your creations are waiting for you it's speaking of the you that believes in this world that's asleep and forgotten heaven and it's like your creations are like part of your fan club your cheerleaders you know you can do it you can forgive you can let go of these illusions and remember who you are and if you remember who you are then you'll remember who we are because we are part of you as you are part of God so even in Christian traditions we talk about the trinity the holy trinity father, son, holy ghost that's just a father's just another symbol for creator son is just another symbol for Christ or the creation of God and the holy ghost is just also an eternal creation but this is a creation that seems to function for the mind that's asleep the Holy Spirit is like the bridge back to remember God and Christ so there are no voices in heaven because there are no words in heaven it's pure constant communication more like telepathic communion and union and oneness it's almost like an eternal dance but not a dance with bodies like a dance of happiness and joy a song of gratitude that goes on and on forever the voice for God is for the mind that believes it's fallen asleep then the instruction or helpful advice on relief has seen to take the form of a voice and that voice is the Holy Spirit that aspect of the Holy Spirit is an illusion because it's just being used in time but when time is over there's no more need for a voice to disappear along with time and space but the Holy Spirit was created as an eternal creation of God so people will say somebody asked me one time if we separated the first time what happens if we go through all this forgiveness and we wake up and get back to heaven and we go oops what if we fall from grace again I say no it's impossible the Holy Spirit is like your insurance policy you can't it's like this voice that's a reminder that you can never separate from God you couldn't even do it the first time much less the second time it's reminding you that you were just it just was a bad dream or a mistake to even think that you could even separate at all so this whole world is kind of like fantasy imagination it's make believe like fairy tales and people say that's the case why why do anything that's a good question what would be the motive what is the motive for doing anything you would have to do it out of joy or inspiration for it to be meaningful and what I discovered in my life was I was doing most everything in my life based on fear of consequences if I don't work if I don't exercise if I don't eat right if I don't do this and this and this for my girlfriend she's going to leave me you know it's you get boxed in real quick into a role and to try to be a good when we're children be a good little boy be a good little girl behave yourself but what about this feeling forget about that behave yourself act good while you've got all this emotional turmoil going on and now Jesus is saying don't worry about the behavior so much what you do comes from what you think you need to work with your thoughts and your beliefs because your behavior flows automatically from them so the whole course is really aimed not at giving us 10 more commandments you know like the Mel Brooks film Blazing Saddles where God gives 20 commandments to Moses and Moses has got two tablets two tablets and then he cracks right before he's ready to deliver the 20 commandments he drops 10 of God's commandments and they crack and you can't even read them anymore and he goes I gave you these 20 10 it's like a Woody Allen they all work together those comedians Mel Brooks, Woody Allen Carl Reiner, you know a group of them and they had a lot of funny stuff but kind of poking fun at blowing it with God so would our creations be the fan club that's waiting for us to hear start singing in gratitude so that they're vibrating I'm vibrating so I'm more aware of that whole consciousness that whole consciousness they're singing in joy because of who they are Christ is singing in joy because Christ and God is in joy so they're all in that happy song of just eternal gratitude no time, no beginning no end, no bodies no perception, just pure light and pure spirit and they're waiting for you meaning they're waiting for you to remember who you are so then you'll know who they are and they want you to know who they are because it's a recognition of such wonderment and joy but the thing that makes them difficult I mean I get that question a lot about the creations because there's nothing in this world that could help you relate to them you couldn't say it's like it's like when I went to saw that waterfall Iguazu Falls no, that's not like that it's like the first kiss I had no, it's not like that when I had a child and I looked into their eyes, nope it's like there's nothing of this world the most intense feeling of joy and happiness in this world wouldn't even come close to this state of eternity because it's all involved time and perceptions but the course is all about approaching that state through forgiveness this is the realm of consciousness consciousness can be trained you've heard people for years even back in the 60s say come on man expand your consciousness be a little more open minded consciousness can be expanded can be trained only to reach a state of of the happy dream or of forgiveness that Jesus talks about which is still one step before it's like God will take the final step and that final step at the end it's more it's prior to this whole loop of time and when you finally have reverse amnesia and you forget this world then you remember the creation the steps already taken you're just remembering what is it's all about she's using the final 30 minutes to go out and film the landscape on our watch it's easier yeah we've got plenty on the inside ok I'll be right back so you just got yourself Sarah went up to get camera camera this was in Belgium and they brought this psychotherapist brought one of her patients to meet me to do a one on one with me and she said afterwards I've heard all this stuff about this course of miracles but it sounded really hard and difficult for you it sounds more fun I think I'm going to go get it so she was going remember her she ended up talking to you after that so but sometimes best if you get it you catch it just at the right time and you catch it before you even read the book you got the paragraph the secret of the secret you go for the core Peter told me not three months ago he saved me some reader you ok you want to sit on this one now this is where you came from look at these rocks oh yeah there's a history of the rocks here I know thousands of years hundreds and thousands of years ago just it's karst which is limestone and when the rain falls on it it creates fissures it eats it away it's quite soft in places and they go really really deep and then there's all these huge under rock cave systems that run the whole length and then there's turlocks which come up which are lakes that just from the water table rises they can suddenly appear out of nowhere because it's such an unusual landscape there's flora and fauna that you can't find anywhere else in the world here especially you know flowers and things down in the little crevices that have ideal conditions that apparently aren't ideal anywhere else and a turlock is an underground rivers that an irrigation or yes underground river systems that come up with high water tables otherwise the land is dry through the summer and then the winter it's a lake where's Malakumar from here Malakumar is Malakumar is Malak is up near Sinclair it's up near Spanish Pointway but it's similar rocks and it's in form of not quite pyramid structure but a mound structure that peers the whole way up and has spiritual significance as well and the government wants to build an interpretive center on it give it back give it back you're attached to it aren't you did you write the four things on your inside for practicing with eulins oh puno puno oh what's that Tom sorry forgive me thank you hearing his consciousness with those four things no matter what he's thinking about what's his name again Hugh Lenn a doctor H-E-W-L-E-N and he's got a long kind of name after that that's what he's known as we probably had enough care is that Galway up there that's Galway yeah all these now we have disciplines that are designed to help fill out the wonder questions but then no one's saying well where did this whole all this wondering and wandering in time and space where did all this begin and you know that's where you start to trace it back and say well I don't know but I want peace and I want this whatever I've done I want it to be undone so I can just rest I don't want this constant chatter of pondering wondering wandering through lost in space was an old television show I used to watch growing up lost in space lost in space lost in space it was an original show it was a science fiction show but it was a robot danger Will Robinson danger danger you know as always robot was warning of danger but they were this the Robinson family was lost in space and you could say that everyone who comes is lost in space and the ones that have houses think they're they have homes and then they point to the ones on the street those are the homeless but again everyone's homeless or you think that there are the schizophrenics that are locked up in the mental institution but schizophrenia is split and everyone who comes to this planet has a split mind that's the definition of coming your mind is split between love and fear and so that's why it's so confusing sometimes it's such a difficult road in a very intense journey is because underneath the occurrences and events of the world there's a split mind and it's like just like in this world you can't mix oil and water you can put oil in a blender and water in a blender and you can blend it as fast as you want and for as long as you want and it will still it will still separate and it's kind of like love and fear you can try and try and try to blend them together in your mind which is what this whole human experiment is about to try to blend love and fear and see if we can get a synthetic mix you know fub I love you I love you that's more accurate actually I love you what's that? well I fear you and I love you but I'm not sure okay I'm picking you to be my partner but just remember there's about 3 billion other potential choices and if you don't live up to my standards and expectation there's a lot of fish in the sea I'll just pick somebody else no pressure I've never received unconditional love my parents didn't give it to me my boyfriends, girlfriends, sisters, parents but you a special one you now have the opportunity to provide me with unconditional love and there's no pressure even though others have failed before you all others have failed I've been punished on this planet I was just dividing the 6 billion and buy 2 for the sexes I was saying 3 billion I guess you have to I only need one just one will do and we're always scared of death and yes it's the most joyous experience everybody doesn't want to even talk about it it's like we don't want to talk about dog yeah and also say you can't just die to get back to heaven it's more it's resurrecting your mind that's why the inner journey is so important and it seems like of the 6 billion there's just a small fraction that seem to be at this point really sincerely or consciously aware that there's like a spiritual evolution going on others kind of just have our following religious beliefs that were kind of handed down I know that for myself with my biological family my sister seems to just follow my parents footsteps she goes to the same church she's part of the same political party you know it's really very typical of this world when people grow up in a community or a country where they they seem to be born and raised and then they seem to grow old and die right there you know people make jokes even in Cincinnati where I live they make jokes about a few neighborhoods that are very kind of traditional and never leave the neighborhood their whole life they're born in the west end of this this particular neighborhood and they stay there their whole lives and they die in that end and they never really you know explore or question that there's anything more but I think that's what brings the group of us together is there's something inside that's going you know there's something more and I know it and I maybe don't know exactly how to access it completely but I know that it's there and I feel like I'm being drawn towards it and that we save time by coming together like this because we learn from each other's experiences and we are inspired by each other's experiences to not give up hope you know on the journey which can sometimes seem pretty long like like the beetle said a long and winding road sometimes it can seem that way