 What's up, everybody? Today's episode is phenomenal. We talk about food sensitivities with one of the world's best functional medicine practitioners, Dr. Steven Febrawl. He is the man when it comes to functional health and wellness. And in today's episode, we talk about foods that can cause reactions in your body that aren't so obvious but still have profound effects on everything from muscle building to fat loss to health, cravings, your skin, your hair. And it's sometimes hard to connect the dots because it's not a food allergy. It doesn't happen right away. Let's say you do that every day for breakfast because eggs are super nutritious. They've got all the vitamins and so much more, right? So you're doing that every day and you're just wondering why a week, two weeks, two months later, you just start to feel like overall just more inflamed and just you're not recovering as well. Well, anyway, they have a test. It's a food allergy, excuse me, food sensitivity test that tests for specific antibodies. And in today's episode, Justin, Adam, and myself reveal the results of our test. Wow. Whoa. Wow. I'm partially disappointed at the same time. Damn it. Anyway, they do have this test. They are offering a discount for our listeners. We don't normally don't do this, but I know you guys are interested. So if you're interested, go to StevenKebral.com forward slash food test. And you can see it here. That's where you want to go to get that. It'll give you $120 off. Also, if you want a free program, we're giving them away. We're going to give away today maps and a bollock. If you want that, if you want a chance to win, this is what you do. Leave a comment below this video, the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comment section. We're also running a sale right now. Map symmetries half off and the RGB bundles half off. If you're interested, click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, here comes the show. Dr. Kebral, welcome back to the show. Did you know that your clip on our Instagram is the most viral one that we have? Did you know that? No, I had no idea which clip was that. It's, which one is it? You're winning. No, it's, oh, you meant that. No, no, no, it is. I'll tell you which one it is. There's a couple that are actually performing well, but there's one that is continuing to just keep going. It is, bup, bup, bup. Yeah, well, I just... You typically repost them and they've been fantastic. It's the three steps for sleep. There you go. Yeah. Well, you do a really good job communicating. That's what we have you back on. You obviously know what you're talking about. It's at 1.1 million crush show growing. I appreciate that. And today, we're going to talk about food sensitivities and food sensitivity tests. I know you did. You have the results of our tests. So we can see why Justin's doing so bad and let's say I'm doing so good. Well, just kidding. But, you know... You're the right there with me, pal. Have you done, I know, as you've done in the past, you've kind of broken them down. They've been very valuable to us. But I want to open up by like, what is a food sensitivity? How is it different than a food allergy? Is it also an immune reaction? Like what's the difference? How do we discern between the two? That's a great question. And so the big thing between a food sensitivity and a food allergy, the food allergies are more life-threatening. So although everybody lumps sensitivities together with allergies, they're really not the same. So a food allergy would be when you hear about it typically with children and peanuts or maybe strawberries. And it creates more of an anaphylactic phase shock. So the body actually has what's called an IgE-based reaction. We can talk about those immunoglobulins because it's really important when deciphering between a retestine for a sensitivity or an allergy. So an allergy will begin to create massive amounts of inflammation within seconds to minutes of consuming that food and it can begin to close up the airway. And so then the antidote to that, of course, is an EpiPen or some type of norepinephrine adrenaline-based stimulant to open back up those airways. So sensitivities then are more the symptoms of brain fog, hives, sleepiness, potentially after a male, itchy skin, migraines, headaches, joint pain, overall inflammatory-based syndrome. That's more sensitivity rather than an allergy, although we use them kind of interchangeably. So you said IgE for the strong anaphylactic shock type reaction. Are we looking for other immunoglobulins for sensitivities? Is it not IgE? What are we looking for? Yeah, so IgE is the one that conventional medicine is most interested in because, of course, it can cause an anaphylactic shock. The issue is that you could give a child peanuts once and there's no reaction. We call that essentially the primer. And the second time they consume it, again, whether it be strawberries or peanuts or something else, that is when the reaction can take place. So it's fairly difficult to figure out an IgE-based immune reaction until the immune system has actually been primed. So we don't necessarily look for that in natural health, natural-based medicine. What we're looking for is an IgM or an IgG reaction. The difference with those is we're now looking for sensitivities. They cause inflammation because what happens is the white blood cells, those are just called immunoglobulins, go after the protein typically in a food in amino acid strand and that causes inflammation. The inflammation now for you, Sal, might be joint pain, let's say in your lower back and for Adam, maybe for you it's inflammation on your skin and Justin, for you it might be, I don't know, it could be like digestive bloating or something like that and Doug, maybe for you it's headaches or brain fog. It's different in every individual. The symptoms are based on your genetic predisposition, but what it does is still it's mediated by an inflammation immune-based response. So the best way to think of this is IgE is an immediate response. IgM is a delayed response and IgG is a latent response. Typically, two to three days later, anywhere from 24 to 72 hours later, which is why it's so difficult to find out your actual food sensitivities because let's say we're recording this on a Tuesday, I could ask you, hey, would you have Saturday night for dinner or Sunday at breakfast? And you may have no idea because you've eaten nine meals or 16 meals since then. Yeah, and so oftentimes what people do is they'll eat something. Two days later, start to get this kind of immune response that is like you said, gastro distress, skin issue, whatever, and then they'll attribute it to what they just ate instead of what they ate two days ago. So that can make it so challenging to identify what's going on. I wouldn't even think to go back that far. Also, people tend to compare themselves to say like a friend who has something, right? And they're like, oh, well, that food gives them this and think that their response, because they don't have the same response that they don't potentially have the same issue, right? Would you say that the tendency is whatever your autoimmune tendency is, whether it's skin, gut, brain fog, that's where you're probably going to see these kind of low level immune responses? Yeah, absolutely. But the fruit sensitivities could be multiple. And so although an autoimmune is typically limited to the thyroid or the joints or the myelin sheath on the nervous system, you'll get multiple of those. We kind of call that the rain barrel effect, right? So it's like, oh, I don't feel as energetic today. I don't have the same energy. My exercise recovery is weaker. I'm starting to get a little bit more inflammation from my workouts. I'm just not quite as sharp. It all starts to add up from systemic based inflammation because even though the food we ate is it's in our gut, right? So it goes through the mouth down the esophagus through the stomach into the 20 or so feet of small intestine and then out through the colon, which is like five or six feet. The inflammation is from the immune system outside of the gut. And so that can lead to anywhere else in the body. And one more point I just wanted to add was that a lot of people confuse bloating and gas or constipation or lose stool with a food sensitivity. It's not necessarily the case. That can actually just be a digestive issue. That could be too much Candida overgrowth, bacterial overgrowth. That could be H. pylori could be parasites, but it could also just be your lactose intolerant. You can't handle the specific sugar, let's say in dairy-based products. So there's also a difference between just digestive distress and these latent responses, which can be totally separate from the food, meaning like from your gut, they can be in any part of your body. Now this delayed response, like the IgG response versus like the IgM or whatever you described was, can it be as intense even though it's delayed or is this like typically a little bit less severe? That's a good question. And usually it is less severe. The problem is it becomes chronic if we're always eating those foods on a daily basis. Because if you think about it, you eat the same, let's say breakfast every day. Let's say you're sensitive to egg whites, which is more commonly sensitive to egg whites than the actual egg yolk. And we can get into that if you'd like. But let's say you do that every day for breakfast because eggs are super nutritious. They've got all your B vitamins and so much more, right? So you're doing that every day and you're just wondering why a week, two weeks, two months later, you just start to feel like overall just more inflamed and just you're not recovering as well. And so you might never put it together. The compounding effects of the inflammation are actually from some of the foods that you're eating and not necessarily from not getting the right sleep or the right exercise protocol. It could actually be based on the foods that you are eating. And that's the thing is they could be healthy foods. Today, as we go through your labs, we're going to go through 190 healthy foods. We're not going to go through unhealthy foods. We're going to go through normal foods that a lot of people eat. They don't necessarily eat all 190, but you'll get to see which ones cause the biggest sensitivity. So yes, they start out low level. Like you wouldn't even notice them. Just not as much energy when waking up in the morning or your heart rate variability is a little bit lower or resting heart rates a little bit higher. And then it's just over time that inflammation compounds if you continue to eat the food. The last thing I'd say is let's say you only eat the food, you know, once a week or once or twice a week, you have days where you're feeling good and you have days where you're feeling terrible and you have no idea why. And that can literally be based on the food that you're eating. I have a question on you mentioned your gut issues maybe due to things like Candida or dysbiosis or you can't digest lactose. My understanding of some of these immunoglobulins or immune reactions is that you can develop them because you have let's say poor digestion for one of those reasons or another which causes gut inflammation. The inflammation of the gut increases intestinal wall hyperpermeability or permeability otherwise known as leaky gut. So then the proteins leak through the gut where they're not supposed to. The body recognizes it as an invader mounts an immune response and so then you have now developed a sensitivity to a food that you didn't have before. And if you fix the gut issue, remove the food for a while, you'll, the sensitivity will go away and you'll be able to get the food again. Is this true? And I experienced this myself going through this process years ago. Is that what happened to me? Am I hitting the nail on the head? Yeah, that's basically a mic drop right there. I mean, that's how the whole process works. That's how autoimmune conditions are created. You know, people think that autoimmune conditions are a mystery. It's one part gut hyperpermeability and one part stress. You combine the two. You have a wildly over exaggerated immune response but the immune system is not really not doing its job. It's doing its job. It's just seeing proteins or bacteria or pathogens in your blood that were never meant to be there. I mean, if you think about it and for anybody watching some video, you know, I've got my little buddy here Walter that I always use and it just shows like the stomach moves into the small intestine. It's about, again, it's about 20, 21 feet or so and then it goes into five to six feet of colon. Well, this is meant to be the outside of your body inside your body. It's literally a tube that goes from your mouth all the way through your body to your anus. Like that's literally it and it's only supposed to let the good stuff into the body through a single cell permeable membrane of your intestines and all the bad stuff then mostly bacteria is supposed to come out of your body when you have a bowel movement. And the problem is when literally we're letting those pathogens or whole proteins into our bloodstream our immune system has nothing else that it can do except to respond to that you want them to. And the thing is now with autoimmune issues we give people what biological based drugs to actually shut down their immune system so they don't go after the actual let's say protein or pathogen at scene and it can unfortunately affect them in many other ways. That's why we try to always look for the root cause. Food sensitivities are only one part to this and I will say that on two of your labs here today we can't diagnose that but I think we have really good really good data to be able to say this looks like a case potentially of gut permeability. Wow. Okay. It's going to be exciting. So to add to that then if you are if you do have gut issues which then causes the inflammation inflammation causes the cells to spread out now they're more permeable you develop an immune response. Is it safe to say then because here's the thing that I used to get all the time with when I had a wellness studio I had somebody that did gut testing and food sensitivity testing and I remember the number one comment people would get would say wow it's all the foods I eat all the time that are that are lighting this up but if you have intestinal hyper permeability or gut hyper permeability you're going to have sensitivities the foods you eat all the time because that's what you eat all the time and that's what goes through the gut. Is that is that correct? That is correct. Okay. And the thing is with the new test so there are different phases of IgG testing so a lot of people say food sensitivity testing isn't true it's just reacting to the foods that you eat all the time well there's two parts to that so we've run maybe 10,000 plus just of this particular lab and so a normal food sensitivity test comes back with maybe two to three sensitivities that's about it that's a nice healthy gut and you show you actually see reactions so as we go through this there's four different tiers of sensitivity the first tier there's still a sensitivity that means that the immune system recognizes this particular protein sequence or amino acid sequence and it's not saying that this is something harmful and we have to go after it it is just saying recognized not an issue and that's where the people have some confusion over IgG but when you have a tier three or tier four reaction to an actual food sensitivity that means it's somehow in well here's the thing immune cells can actually go through your gut wall into your intestines as well but when we look at IgG it's typically outside so these have seeped outside the body but it can also be what's called cross-pollination or molecular mimicry where certain protein strands look very similar to other ones for example when I first did this when I was 19 years old I had this test run to figure out what was wrong with me because no doctor conventional medicine wise could figure it out I was sensitive to things like kidney beans and the thing is like I've never eaten kidney beans I never liked kidney beans not even in Chile whatever they've been it's just I don't like that and it showed up high why would that be? Well, there's this particular sequence still of amino acids in that kidney being that my immune system natively is going to respond to so we all have foods that we might be sensitive to through gut permeability but we also typically and natively have a couple foods that our body and our immune system do not like and they attack as if they're a pathogen and that's why this test is very valuable even for healthy people for me almonds keep showing up after all these years even though almonds are totally popular and healthy food there's nothing wrong with them right but they are for me and that's why for me I just don't eat almonds I can eat other nuts like macadamia nuts or whatever I choose to Dr. Cabral what is the the accuracy of these food sensitivity tests and there's tons of them that I see on the market is there a difference between all of them or are they all testing the same way and for the same things? They test a little bit differently some test IGE IGM and IGG some combine IGM and IGG response I like those as well we just so I'll tell you we just do IGG and the reason we do that is that it's pretty easy to figure out your IGE response even if it's not an allergy when you eat a food you get itchiness in the back of your throat now again that could be could be mold it could be something else but like you get hives you get a headache within 20 30 minutes that's an IGE response we can figure those out like if you eat shellfish and you have a hives don't eat shellfish and you don't need to spend you know the money for that an IGM is pretty good too but that one's a little bit more challenging to even I don't want to use the word diagnosed because we're not you know conventional medicine here but to recognize that's because IGM is basically an intermediary response that's lead into an IGG sensitivity so IGE is in the blood IGM is in the blood IGG is actually in the blood and the tissues so you get that deeper inflammatory response from IGG sensitivities and that's why to me those are the most interesting because I'm always looking at underlying root cause and I'm not using the food sensitivity test is like the end all be all I'm doing that as part of what we call the big three so it's part of the Candida you know lab that we run Candida metabolic and vitamins test and the Bacterian parasite stool test so if I'm looking at your two of your food sensitivity test here today and I see quite a bit of sensitivities like more than a dozen I'm saying okay what we want to look for next is we want to prove this out let's run the Candida metabolic and vitamins test or let's run the Bacterian parasite stool test to actually see what imbalances are here that may have caused this permeability does that make sense it does so one more thing because I remember going through this as well with people was that because the complete there's there's a there's a complete approach here and if you do it in an incomplete way and I want to make sure I say this to people so they understand then you're not going to really solve the problem and here's what some people would do with one of these tests they get this test and come back here's a seven foods that you're hyper reactive to they remove those foods they feel better immediately but they switch to other foods and then over time because they never fixed the hyper permeability they now develop sensitivities to those foods so this is the this is a a common thing that you see it's like oh my God I stopped eating this and now I'm reacted to this and I stopped eating that now what do I eat right so you have to also solve the root issue of why you're developing these sensitivities not just remove the food correct 100% that's exactly right in because you'll you'll solve the inflammation for a while which is great so you do feel better you like it begin to immediately empty that rain barrel and so people will definitely feel better skin issues headaches migraines joint pain et cetera but like you said you haven't tackled the candida the bacterial imbalance the H. pylori the parasites the whatever it might be but at least you'll get some relief at which is really nice and then you'll be able to work on those as well so yeah there's a few different ways that people can attack it candida imbalance and they can do something like a CBO protocol or they might assume they have parasites and they can do a you know power pro support protocol they can do whatever they feel is appropriate our job is not to like do a million tests to say okay we need to just keep looking looking but the goal is you do want to find the underlying root cause and at home lab testing like we're doing right now absolutely gets you there there's just no doubt about it there's no other way to be able to pinpoint these things not only for getting well but also for anti-age in the longevity a lot of people just assume that everything is good and I think that's a difficult assumption it's better to do your blood work every year and then something like your at home labs your big five every year to make sure everything's good because if not you catch in the early stages make a couple tweaks to your diet your supplements your protocols and then you are good to go so that's what we hope to solve can IgA IgM IgG antibodies eventually lead to a rise of IgE antibodies where you start to develop the more immediate reaction is there a connection between them? It's a good question I don't think that I know the answer to the IgG causing a higher IgE because I do know that sensitivities don't cause allergies so that's the good news however they can absolutely lead to more sensitivities so there's no doubt about that and one you mentioned that we didn't talk about was IgA so IgA is an interesting one too because what happens is the more sensitivities and the more inflamed you become the more stressed your body is and actually decreases IgA which is secretory IgA and IgA is a different white blood cell it's contained in all the mucus lining essentially of the skin the nasal passages the mucosa of the body and it's our first line defense against viruses and all sorts of different pathogens well the more stressed you are the more your IgA IgA levels drop that means you actually have a weaker immune system by just being more inflamed and part of that is from foods Wow all right one last question before we get to our tests I know people are are just clamoring to see those we are I know all of us get to my my stomach's reacting yeah I know yeah I'm trying to comment you know super exciting um to do that do you uh are are these popping up more because of the kinds of foods that we're eating the things that are in our foods the lifestyles that would lead because it seems like gut issues in general or is it just more awareness but it does seem like they're a lot more prevalent prevalent today yeah part of it is the testing for sure you're going to find more of it if if you test more but I actually believe that it's from more glyphosate contamination I think that's a big part of it I think um plastics and estrogens in the environment you know Xenoestrogens from the environment are are big factor people don't even know like take in and just you know having tea like oh I'm being healthy I'm having a a tea and dropping this tea bag in most are made from microplastics the actual tea bag and you're getting just billions of nanoparticles of plastic in your body from these tea bags I just think we live in a way more toxic world and these things are being digested through our gut I mean if we take glyphosate for example even contamination against a lot of clean organic healthy foods because glyphosate is essentially airborne and what happens is even with so back in the day this is how they use glyphosate they sprayed it when the crops were young so you'd be planting your crops and at the same time you'd start to see them pop up you would see weeds pop up and so then you'd spray glyphosate across the whole field and it would kill all the weeds and the you know roundup resistant GMO based foods they wouldn't be affected by the the glyphosate or the roundup but then over time what they realized was that towards the end of harvest season if for some reason their crop got wet or it got uh too moldy before being harvested it was basically ruined so they found that glyphosate sprayed at the end of harvest season as well as a desiccant where it could be washed off what exactly would then be stuck on the food so before there were even one I'm not saying the glyphosate was ever good but when it was only sprayed at a young stage of the crop I mean over months it would be for the most part washed off and then there are foods of course where it just goes into the skin that you can't remove and glyphosate is a known um antibacterial so much so that now because people are so against glyphosate like people know about it now they're actually looking how can we use this glyphosate in other ways they're actually looking at it as a now an antibiotic which in the natural health field we've been saying it all along it is an antibiotic it's killing your gut bacteria and so yeah I think that's a big part of it too all right all right let's get to the test let's see what's going on here Dr. Grawl let's start I don't know whoever you want to start but let's see what happens here we're going to go from um we're going to because we're all friends here we're going to go from least offensive to most offensive oh okay okay oh so who's who's going to win is Doug going to win you want to take some bets I got the order I've always been second I haven't been best I haven't been worse yet but my gut historically is terrible although it's been a lot better lately so I don't know where I'm I'm going to guess it's going to go on this order uh Doug the best then Sal next then Justin then me Justin you think you're the worst huh I do think I'm the worst I mean I I have the I and I also think that that's why is because I've never been able to get to the places to flare up all the time and I have a feeling that it's because I got a bunch of offenders that's my you got you have full of parasites that's yeah so it's it's my guess I actually I actually hope I'm the worst because then it'll make me feel like we're we're getting somewhere with getting to the bottom of my shit all right who's who's first all right we'll we'll find out so up first is Doug ah and Doug the hell is I feel like I knew this he's always the hell you know I've lost I've lost all my sensitivities yes oh yeah that's right you're I've lost every other one they that's true cortisol levels off the chart all that just kind of I must have a stress made out of steel yeah with all that stress on imagine with all this all right so what's Doug sensitive to yeah so just to give you a little insight in this test basically when you look at it you're looking at a green bar like a lighter lime bar a yellow bar and then an orangey red bar and so we expect to see these little black lines which do show immune reaction to the foods so as long as they're within the green you're good if you have any and we'll say the mild it's typically eliminating the food for about six weeks we'll go over this to at the end if you'd like the moderate reaction we're going to eliminate that for about 12 weeks a little bit more good and then the red we're eliminating for about six months so when I look at Doug's and I'm going through the dairy and I'm going through the beans and peas it goes through fruit it goes through grains it goes through let's see fish and seafood will stop there for a moment so they're basically dairy beans peas fruit or grains that's one page the second page goes through fish seafood nuts seeds and some vegetables Doug the only one that you have a specific sensitivity to is a type of tuna so that would be one not like the wild elbow core but a another type of tuna so again even if you're not eating tuna I say you know you can still have a mild reaction this one's very mild but it's still is worth noting and then the last page we go over a bunch of vegetables and we go over herbs and spices so no vegetables Doug are you sensitive to but you are set mildly sensitive to Miso like in Miso soup oh it's terrible Doug yeah he's a big fan of Miso yeah I don't eat it often but I do but you love it I had some last Sunday so oh so that's that's typically going to be so sad all right I was about to say something he's very sensitive to short jokes too so that's got to come wow oh had to had to take you down a notch there but I got to just kick the our ass with health again oh that's why he's got such good skin and everything huh all right keep it going keep it going all right so that's it one sensitivity all right who's second next Doug well you think it's me wow whoa wow I'm I'm partially I caught it disappointed at the same time damn it I'm the worst Adam I will say though if you're consuming any dairy products they're very high in terms of sensitivity boom told you had ice cream every night for the last five told you the last five years of that ice cream no no five days five days I know I'm just just you put cheese stuff all the time good good k k scenes in the moderate zone cheddar is in the mild zone cows milk is into the red goats milk is mild mozzarella is mild sheep is fine whey is mild and yogurt is into the red so essentially when you look at that casing is in all milk products except for essentially whey and so it would be sensitive to most cows milk based products now most people are not sensitive to sheep or goats and I run this lab all the time and they're not sensitive to those you are actually mildly sensitive to goats milk which is not as common so for you I'd recommend eliminating all dairy for a good 12 weeks he didn't work on a farm and it was that wasn't a goat girlfriend no that I mean no I've talked to the guys on air before that I've I've always picked up on the dairy and I've been able to tolerate small amounts of it but I've always said that if I had two things of dairy in a day I always notice a difference so that totally makes sense but I'm going to eliminate it completely now so is almond milk an okay replacement for me in has nothing to do with dairy but a little you may be going down no no I'm saying in replace of like milk is what I'm saying is that okay you could use you could absolutely use any type of nut milk that you wanted to just look out for carrage in another preservatives that you don't want in there but yes for sure okay so the only other one in your lab test was actually egg whites which was a mild reaction oh interesting yep so on the mild side now keep in mind and I should have stated this in the beginning the three most common food sensitivities that we see amongst people are cows milk egg whites and then it would be gluten yeah a wheat based intolerance so those are the three most common so even if like you should always run to see what your sensitivities are but eliminating those for skin based issues especially eczema we always eliminate those we eliminate soy we eliminate corn we eliminate a few others as well wow all right all right who do you think's up next is it Justin or yeah this is it we're getting down I'm so much better than I used to be too but I know I'm not great yeah all right Justin's the worst maybe maybe not though no I'm the guy with the I've been I think it's next up is Justin no so and Adam one thing I do want to say is that there's still that lab that we've chatted about in the past anyone that's dealing with psoriasis or so dealt with in the past is to look at the Bacterian parasite stool test it really is the number one lab to look I mean that's what I've been waiting to do with you I mean that's the one I've I was been telling the guys like I want us to get to that because to me I think that's going to be that's not why I just think that would be the most enlightening for me of all the things that we've done so far he has one in a bag this way that he froze ready for it stupid stupid all right say who's that who's the big loser Justin's up next oh the big loser hey I thought for sure love my guts a lot better too but still must be bad I'm not shocked could be all those peptides it's contagious I blame self all right so with Justin's your the all of your dairy are basically off the chart so shocker it's not going to get any worse than that that's terrible all of it bro all of it hey Dr. Brawl what you're cutting out he's he's in such he's in such denial over that we've been telling him this for years and he just he lives on yeah I knew that dude it's just I hate to be the bearer of bad news I really do oh man oh I mean telling you you eliminate dairy you're going to feel so much better like I mean I'm not probably not that you're probably not feeling good now but you feel so much better yeah sure sorry well it's it's I don't know don't feel bad I'm going to cry about this wait till it gets to mine I'm probably like 58 different foods that's it it's just all dairy like all of it not just dairy we'll get to the rest there's just yeah dairy was the ones that were most sensitive like it was like you didn't even go through the specific cheeses or anything because all of them bro all of them yeah it's got to be something all the way all casing all goat all sheep all all goat sheep and all that yeah good lord what am I going to do you go fucker hey hey he's going to lose 20 pounds well the the amount of the cost you'll drop will be will be remarkable for sure if you're someone that's used to eating dairy on a daily basis that's the thing every meal yeah it's not it's not I don't play so this is this is going to be a shocking difference you're going to kind of even if you did it for 21 days like just 21 days to kind of humor the lab test oh my God you'd be able to can I can I feel you just feel the difference can you can you please get a soy lot I'm going to have to document this soy yeah and go in the soy direction yeah you had the dog not to do soy right we could do we could do others as well okay so a high reaction to soybeans now you're probably not eating a lot of soy but that's why I said there are other outliers which is why we run this test okay let's see Gliadine and and rye were quite high so Gliadine is a type of protein of gluten so all gluten based foods would not be knew that would not be great for you bread bro rye yeah so no no rye whiskey yes that's that's depressing oh I didn't think about that yeah yeah definitely part of it less so than the actual I'm scared wheat itself and bread egg whites was quite high so that was in the red and egg yolks are in the moderately high even eggs what am I supposed to say again eggs are the number two sensitivity that we see in the world believe it or not egg whites number two behind egg whites are the egg white in the yolk the white is literally there to protect the yolk right it's actually designed to be kind of immune reactive if I'm not mistaken is that correct well the white itself the reason why believe to be more reactive is that the world is even there's more than double the amount of allergens in it because the white is actually going to grow into the chicken where the yolk is going to feed at the nutrition okay so you're actually reacting more to the because it's an equal amount of protein so a lot of people throw out the the white because they say no all the proteins of the yolk but I'm sure you've gone over this but it's about three and three eggs so but there's just more allergens in it okay for sure okay so eggs are eggs are just a huge ones that we see for eczema especially all right get to the bad news here come on all right peanuts peanuts are high quite high sesame seeds are moderately high peanuts celery actually and vegetable is moderately high celery it's like water celery bro he loves peanuts and cheese that Justin so sad right now yeah like that's I'm not going to talk we've got moderate sensitivities and chili and radishes which is random tomatoes ginger tomatoes basil damn bro miso a high reaction to mustard oh yes fuck mustard I love mustard that's basically it so remember when I see more than 10 or so food sensitivities that I'm also looking at there's some type of gut permeability it has to be yeah right like a that's what we're not saying like you need to eliminate every food in the world like that's what so when I was 19 and I finally found a natural health-based doctor after two years of literally you know going through conventional medicine-based diagnosis I had let's say 25 to 30 different food sensitivities and so is the gold eliminate every food that you eat no it's eliminate the most egregious ones that's what's going to give you the biggest bang for your buck basically the 80 20 rule there but you then need to work on sealing up the gut and you don't actually need to necessarily seal up the gut wall until you rebalance the Candida the bacteria and anything else that might be there and that's that's the way to go about this and we could talk more about that if you'd like as well after cells well that was depressing he's like you're the first person that is sensitive to everything no we see we see we see quite a few all right so Sal you are up saving the best for last and we've got sensitivities again to all dairy-based products I know that all in the red I don't have any dairy so and I haven't for a while but that just won't go away for me yeah 100% and that actually happens that's interesting that happens for quite a number of people egg will go down so we've seen dairy not go down for some people it is the number one food sensitivity from an IGG perspective I've seen eggs go down after 12 week to six month based elimination because what happens is your immune cells become then desensitized to that they're no longer seen it which means they're no longer reacting as those immune cells turn over you get healthier ones those ones no longer carry the memory to react to those specific amino acids so all right so we've got dairy after that I'll just going to read them off a zuki bean we've got garbanzo beans kidney beans lima beans mung beans navy beans soy beans tofu coconut pineapple which is random glee addon okay rye okay yep all gluten your eggs are very are very really sensitive all the way to the end all eggs for eggs yep okay 12 12 a day guy yeah quail eggs anchovies so mad uh red snapper tilapia yeah see what else we have almonds brazil nuts cashews chia peanut pistachio whoa pumpkin sesame whoa walnut whoa we've got kelp like in terms of seaweed damn it just kidding I know I know cayenne pepper and mustard is mild vanilla bean this is one of the first times I've seen vanilla bean high high and bromelin is high we often see bromelin high just as a digestive enzyme or pancreatic not pancreatic proteolytic enzyme that we don't do too much about but so again when I look at your cell there was a number right so there's well over let's say a dozen so what I'm looking to do are remove the most egregious but also if it's not someone that can remove let's say eggs every day or whatever it might be what we do is we actually put someone on a rotation diet so that you're only eating that food every three days so we create a what's that I was gonna add something actually none of those surprise me none of those have surprised me so I avoid dairy a hundred percent eggs I push but then I'll go off of them for a while so I'm gonna go off that for a while the beans didn't surprise me I know how I react after I beans I tend to get kind of foggy little tired that kind of stuff gassy the the the seeds and nuts I also noticed if I eat like a bunch of nuts I tend to not feel so actually nothing that you said surprise me on there it's all that the fish maybe a little bit but I don't need a ton of fish and I in part of it is because it doesn't make me feel so good sometimes but sardines I'll eat sometimes so actually nothing you said surprise me and I avoid most of those foods except for eggs so in other words all the stuff you listed I beans at most once a week at most I never eat dairy nuts I'll eat at most once a week and all the other stuff you I don't eat cayenne pepper I noticed the bothers my gut I don't eat anything else so could this be long lasting ones besides the one that I eat you know like the eggs which I eat on a on a very regular basis well I just want to share too I work with a lot of bodybuilders people that eating you know good amount to put on muscle mass and all that and they have a tendency to have more inflamed guts period just because their bodies always processing far more and they can come in contact with then just larger amounts of protein which could be more reactive so part of it is is just what I see and working with even athletes and bodybuilder based community so I do see that what I would say is that you're not sensitive to though to beef and chicken and turkey and all those others and so that can then at least allow you to consume those with no real issue while eliminating the eggs and definitely eliminating the dairy but I don't often see the beans and the nuts to that level everybody has maybe like one or two but that definitely it signals to me that there's more of an inflammatory issue that I would want to investigate same adjustment so I'd want to look deeper I'd simply want to run the other part of the big three which is the Candida metabolic and vitamins test and the Bacteria Parasite stool test I'll do that because then is there overgrowth of bacteria overgrowth of yeast or potentially parasites or ish pylori and then we can fix those I want to do the stool test still too I so is there a possibility that I could like I'll avoid all the foods that you said on my list 100% I'll be dialed for the next 30 days is there a potential that I'll still I still will have my psoriasis as an issue and if so what's the next step for me to to go deeper Yeah, that's that's actually it's a good point because eliminating your food sensitivities will help many people eliminate the headaches the skin rashes the brain fog the joint pain et cetera but it doesn't mean that that was your only underlying root cause and so if there's still Candida or there's still bacterial overgrowth or again parasites or ish pylori those basically I keep naming those because the nice thing is there's really only four things that go wrong with your gut besides intestinal permeability so if you figure out what those four are we'll assume intestinal permeability since it's almost impossible to really know unless you do an intestinal biopsy which there's no need to do because you can simply just use zinc and glutamine and aloe vera we use something called healthy gut support that patches it back up but you don't even necessarily want to patch up your gut what you can do without fixing the issues that are on the inside because you're just going to continue with more inflammation which will then cause more intestinal permeability again right so that's how we work it so for sure I'd recommend for at least yeah Adam you as well but Justin Sal that we just take things to the next level run the Candida metabolic vitamins test run the bacteria parasites tool test let's figure out exactly what's going on get you on a protocol and your gut will be literally fixed in 12 to 16 weeks maximum yeah I really I want to because I think there's been to obviously right now I admitted that I just you know ordered six quarts of ice cream so I'm been on an ice cream kick lately which is I know not good for me but finish it all first right yeah yeah this this episode doesn't go live for a little while so I still have some time to finish all that you see my drove cheese no so I but I do I I believe I've been on a streak before and actually not consumed any of those foods so I but I'm going to be dialed per I'll be perfect for 30 days at least so I can see what happens I have I have a feeling I'm still going to see psoriasis what's what's cool well for me what's cool about this is because I've dealt with got issues on and off for so long Dr. Cabral that I'm very hypervigilant and I kind of know what to look for myself and I'm not surprised by any of the ones that you that you you sent me and I can totally avoid those I avoid dairy always anyway gluten I have super rarely and the rest of them I mean I I kind of know and I mostly avoid but I don't but I'm going to completely avoid them and I'm really interested to see with these with the stool test says to see what's going on with the with the gut inflammation let me ask you this Dr. Dr. Cabral because I've done SIBO protocol CFO SIBO protocol I've done anti-parasite protocol my gut health as as compared as how it used to be with how my digestion is not stuff is light years ahead okay could somebody simply have hyper permeability not because of let's say one of the four that you listed but just too much stress maybe just hold too much stress and it just affects their gut hundred percent okay you're exactly right so that's the thing is that stress they've found just in a now people shouldn't be overly worried about this but a great amount of stress even in a day begins to increase gut permeability the nice thing is though it can start to move back quickly as well once the inflammation and the stress is over is really chronic stress and the chronic conditions that we may put our gut under that caused this and that's why intermittent fasting is so helpful as well because at least for a period of time 12 hours 16 hours or so a day you're allowing the gut to move all the food through it's been digested and there's no other assault on the gut it's also why I don't like people really eating necessarily more than three to four meals per day because if you're eating more times per day then the gut is always on there's always some type of oxidative stress from the digestive process and there's more potential for also these these immune based reactions yeah I'm going to guess that for me it's it's going to be stress but I don't know we'll see what the test is because you know I have I have an ex-wife a wife and four kids so there's a lot there's a lot going on there some factors one thing I would add though is just like you've done you've done a really good job at figuring out and knowing what bothers you and so you're removing the things that have bothered you but maybe not necessarily doing like the deeper level repair to then allow you to and the thing I wanted to mention people is okay you eliminate them for the six weeks 12 weeks or six months but only add them back once a week see how you do see if there's a reaction a day or two days later like that's what you still to look for okay if that's okay then you add it back in like on a Monday and a Thursday so you add it back twice a week okay is there a reaction yes or no no good and so that's what I would do and I would typically tell people once you've eliminated for the time that you need to let's say let's say it was I'm Justin or Sal I would do another lab test six months later to make sure that these sensitivities have gone way down and I bet that you'll find if you do something like a CBO protocol a CBO finisher to heal and seal the gut that you will see a remarkable difference but you'll feel the results right away that's the amazing thing about a food sensitivity test like whether you agree with or not like or believe in and not like I don't know what this whole doctrine of belief is about these things but eliminate them see how you feel and people honestly they typically feel remarkably better just from again emptying that rainbow I'm going to tell you something that I know is going to make you cringe okay but I want to tell you something that I figured out for myself probably not the best approach but I did notice for myself if I push certain foods gluten in particular that I'll start to get hives very small random hives here and there so I've noticed for myself that if I take an antihistamine when I'm doing this with and pushing certain foods I get less overall reactions and even less gut reactions that's definitely a Band-Aid right that's not the best approach but I do notice some symptom relief is that something you would ever advocate for or am I just being dumb well I know why you're doing that can't advocate for it because what we're doing is basically it's it's the Band-Aid right the Band-Aid pretending the issue isn't there by taking an antihistamine but just keep in mind you still have the inflammatory reactions the day the two the three days after from that IGG based response and in the histamine so is actually a cytokine based produced and honestly it's meant to be there in the body so although we don't like a histamine based reaction think about getting stung by a B or you get a wound or you get hit or whatever might happen you get a histamine based reaction to bring healing processes to that part of the body so you're actually then dampening the what's called the TH2 based response so it's essentially it's an allergy based response but our body is not messing up that's what I always just try to share with people the issue is that it can become exaggerated I mean nobody wants to have hives or nobody wants to have you know itchy eyes or itchy skin et cetera so I I totally get it but obviously my goal instead of an antihistamine would be use something like we use a product called HIST Pro but it's Corsitin and it's vitamin C and it's bromelain and stinging nettles and it works fantastic as well now you need two to three you can't just take one antihistamine but yeah interesting I use that instead interesting okay how so this is a food sensitivity test what's the cost of of running a test like this and having someone go through them with you it's typically 399 so this lab comes with also a 30 minute consultation to take you through the results just like I did with the four of you here today and I know that your community always gets a discount for us obviously being super appreciative of you have me on and spreading the message about at home lab testing which is really my mission is to just share with people there is a way to figure out your underlying root causes and it's really starts with at home lab testing so I know you have a link you'll link that up I'm sure in the show notes and share it with people because I don't actually always know what that is but our teams work together and we make that happen so it is one of those things that I believe that people should run once a year I'm a huge advocate of it and they can do it with their kids as well so my daughters do a food sensitivity test once a year for sure and that's just what we do as a family and it's three years old and up not under three but three years old and up and for people who know the test is super easy it's literally a a a a break on your finger and you you put some drops of blood on a car or takes five 10 minutes at home talk about the benefits for somebody it's obvious if you're you're struggling with an autoimmune like psoriasis like I am or Justin trying to get to his gut issues like that and it's and we can see it or feel it but what about the benefits for someone who who feels pretty healthy and thinks that they're like totally fine like the value of that person still doing a test like this is there still value to that person to getting it tested yet even as an example so I grew up as a really sick kid I had allergies I had all sorts of health issues then from 17 to 27 I've shared my story before debilitating autoimmune issues like my immune system is literally just wiped out I had Addison's disease type 2 diabetes all sorts of health issues so for me it's like cracking the code it's figuring out how to get well and I did get well I met my mentor got well at 27 but I've continued to get well each year like literally feeling in my goal now is just to reduce biological age and on the last show that we did together my goal was to continue to read reduce biological age and it can be measured now on a lab test and I I don't have great genetics so I now and I didn't have this information when I was on the show my biological age now is aging at a rate of 0.67 wow and my biological age is eight years younger and I have horrible genetics I have a terrible background with my immune system genetics you don't have to all these things the goal is just to continue to try to dial in little by little and it's never one massive thing that you can do so I again I figure out okay yeah you still sensitive to almonds don't eat almonds right don't have all it's like it's one thing okay and then what's the other thing oh your evening cortisol is a little elevated okay let's let's knock that down a little bit with blue light with taking you know ash we're gone to L thinning fossil saring like these and that at least it goes for your red blood cells so the goal is every three to four months get a little bit better three to four months get a little bit better and over time that's how you get those anti-aging longevity based benefits that's awesome love that do are these tests covered by health savings account by people have you know being able you what is that called H.A. H.S.A. accounts are they do they cover these F.S.A. and H.S.A. can sometimes be covered you simply send in your receipt you send in what you ran for the lab and oftentimes you're able to get that taken off so not always because these are non diagnostic so that's the thing we're not diagnosing any particular disease with this but again old disease comes from a root cause we're trying to figure out what these root causes are right highly this is the one test I I tend to recommend the most because I feel it's easy to take and it can lead to other more specific tests like you said that like the stool test in parasite well now it's so easy for me to go test to like I literally have a list of all these foods that I just okay I discipline myself for three to four weeks to be committed to none of it being a diet and then this the hopefully the results will speak for themselves on how I feel so I highly that's exactly the point if you just do a 21 day elimination see how you feel don't don't change any other variable except the eliminated foods from this lab test and most people will fail a dramatic difference and so with that difference they say okay well I want to do more of that that's always the goal it's okay what's the next step then and so that's it just 21 day elimination to start don't worry about the six weeks or the six months or the whatever it is just start 21 days awesome Dr. Cabral always awesome having you on the show thank you so much for helping us out can't wait to have you on I appreciate yeah so it looks like the next one we'll do is the the poop test on yes dual next let's do that next sir whenever you're ready all right all right thanks again Dr. all right take care thank you you too