 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. We're going to run this for the first time. We've never done this in mind pump history, where we've ran a MAPS anabolic 50% off sale for the entire whole world. Yeah, we're running anabolic. Have we lost our minds? Lost our minds. Have we gone crazy? Absolutely. You know what? Here's the deal, though. I want to get charged up. Here's the deal. This is what we. That's the program that started it all. It was the first MAP. It's also the program that we all agree that just about everybody, there's always exceptions to the rule. So I said just about everybody, but just about everybody. If you don't want to get really fit or build muscle, then you shouldn't. Just about everybody should start with this program. This should be the foundation problem. It was designed as our foundation program. So if you're just really getting into training or you're just getting into actually following a really good program, excellent program to start with, only three days a week too. So somebody who can only commit to two or three days in the gym, this is the perfect program for you. MAPS anabolic is my go-to program for muscle building for guys and for metabolism fixing or boosting for women. So when I get female clients who have damaged, quote, unquote, damaged metabolisms or slow metabolisms, 100% of the time I put besides diet stuff and stuff like that I do with them, I put them on MAPS anabolic. It's just so appropriate for like most gym going people. That's it. Because yeah, like typically they're gonna be doing like sets of three to 15 reps and you know, they're just gonna be working on hypertrophy constantly and that's it and taking them into the phase one is like a shell shock. That's it. So in this episode of Mind Pump. Ooh, a little different spin. A little different. So we, for the first 43 minutes we do our introductory conversation. We talk about, oh, I mentioned Organifi. I actually broke my fast with their green juice and I felt like I was on fire. You hooked them up with a double commercial. I did at the end. A double commercial for Organifi. Talked about the Cocoa Whip. You're welcome. You double wrapped it. If you listen to the end of the episode, I talk about a Cocoa Whip recipe that I use Organifi with. We also talked about Brew Doctor. They're our favorite kombucha beverage. Now you can find them at most stores, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, New Seasons, Kroger's, Sprouts. They got the can coming. And most Costco, they are doing canned kombucha. Yeah, first ones to do this are portable. July 9th, you should be able to find them in all your Whole Foods around here. That's right. Now for Organifi, we do have a discount. If you go to organifi.com forward slash mind pump enter the code mind pump, you'll get 20% off. Then we talk about my awesome new haircut. Ha ha ha ha. Woo. It is streamlined. Supercuts paying off. It's very. Thank you very much. All I know is it provides content for Adam. It's very short and spunky. It's a spunky haircut. It's short, but it's fucked up. It's short. It is. But you know what the best part is, Justin? Yes. It's there though. I have hair. You know what? This is a massive point. I think you need to drive home. Adam mentions lugs and bugs. What are those? And today's kids. What's wrong with these kids nowadays and bugs? We talk about voyeurism. And my grandmother's surveillance system. She's keeping an eye on the whole family. That's awesome. We talked about my fast this weekend. And then we had some debate over steroids and muscle memory. The conversation here. If you took steroids and then you stop taking them, would you have the muscle memory from that muscle? And would it benefit you later on? Great study. We should have link to the show notes. Yes. Then we get to the questions. The first question was, what is more important? Focus on minimum effective volume or maximum recoverable volume. Which one is the difference? The next question was, how do you prevent or minimize overtraining if part of your profession includes lots of activity throughout the day? This particular person we know very well. She's a good friend of ours. She teaches people how to do the silks. She's climbing these things all day long. What can she do to minimize overtraining? The next question was, if someone is in poor health mentally and physically, which one do you address first and why? Which one's more important? Or are they intertwined? You gave it away, Justin. I did. Thank you. The final question was, will missing breakfast affect your progress if you're trying to gain muscle? Or is it all about just total food and take for the entire day? We also talk about the complete breakfast that we were sold back when we were kids. Silly rabbit. At the end of every cereal commercial. Doug's a big fan of grape nuts. You won't want to miss that part of this episode. And of course, we mentioned in the beginning of this episode, he can fit two in his mouth. Just a nut lover. Just two at a time. Just bust them everywhere. In, like we mentioned at the beginning of this episode, MAPS Anabolic, our foundational program, the program we've sold the most of. Most of the MAPS programs that people have gotten is MAPS Anabolic. It's that effective. We're cutting the price in half all month long. We've never done this before. We're likely to never do this again. You may throw in some Gingsu knives. 50% off. We also have bundles of MAPS programs. This is where we take multiple MAPS programs, put them together for specific goals. For example, we have a sexy athlete bundle. We have a build your butt bundle. We have a super bundle, which is year of exercise programming. All of these are available at mindpumpmedia.com. T-shirt time. And it's t-shirt time. Oh boy. It's the t-shirt time. It's the t-shirt time. Let's all do the t-shirt time. Go. All right. 31 reviews. It's a new jingle I'm working on. 31? 31 reviews. And we're giving out nine shirts. So the winners are Boise Kid, nice app, Brandy Chaos. You almost got me. Jay Smiles, 24. Trevor Offman, yo mama, three, two, two, three. My mom? What? She got it? D-Dang, use your noodle 23 and shit head Steve. All pump heads. All of you are winners. Send a name like it in red. To iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com. Send your shirt size, your shipping address and we'll get that right out to you. Use your noodle. Hey, you know what? Yeah. What? Get your haircut this weekend. I see it's a little short. Bro, come on. This is what happens when you go to see the cunts, you know why I hate you? They went too far. You know why I hate you? Because you jumped the gun. I was gonna make fun of myself, you fuck. Dude, so I go in there. And here, here's the guy. I was waiting to get on the mic. It seems like some are like, see, now listen, this is why, because I've been through this. I know it's like, this is what happens when you get your hair cut, supercuts, and you never know who you're gonna get and you don't get the same lady you normally get or split out. Bro, this lady got the heavy hand. And they go a little too short. It was this old, like, old, it was this old Vietnamese lady, very old. And she's like, oh, how would you like your hair? And I know the numbers. I'm like this, that, and the other. And she's, oh, what about the top? Is this too short? I'm like, well, yes it is. But we're going for that. But that's the way we're gonna go now. You know what I'm saying? The way I look at it is, you know, I spend $20 on a haircut, right? If I add up, it's probably like one out of every, one out of every 10 haircuts. No, I'm not happy with it. But it grows back, you know what I mean? I have hair. That reminds me of when they left like a patch around the cowlick, you know, like the back. Like they had, I literally almost had a yarmulke. Yeah, like the guy just left this patch of hair. So I come home and I'm looking in the mirror. I'm like, this, she gave me a fucking jiu-jitsu haircut. You know what I mean? That's how I used to cut my hair. I used to compete. So I get home. Super tight. And Jessica's like, it doesn't look that bad because I got on the phone with her. I'm like, this fucking lady, man, this old ass lady. She's like, it's not that bad. And I'm like, well, you know, and I started, I was looking in the mirror and I was cracking up so hard. And she's like, why are you laughing? I'm like, I guarantee you. Yeah, Adam's gonna say some shit. I guarantee you Adam's gonna say something because I always talk about like spending a lot of money on haircuts. I'm like, oh, you know how hard it was for me not to say something when he first walked out of the studio? I was like, oh, this motherfucker fucked his hair cut up. And I'm not gonna say anything until we get on the podcast. Oh, that's so funny. I barely even noticed, dude. So there you go. You don't notice that kind of stuff? No. Adam notices. Which is like, I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. I don't know. I remember that, man. That was the one drawback of the $9 haircut. You're exactly right. One out of 10. Wait, wait, wait, $9? Well, that's what it was back in the day. Oh, I was gonna say, where's this place? Yeah, where is it? Fuck. I'm going over there. I mean, for a long time, I had a $9 haircut at least until probably 25, I would say. I think around the 25 range was when I decided to pony up to the hair stylist. Well, so the place that I go, I know the people there, the regulars or whatever, and there's one lady. It's the old Vietnamese lady. She can not, I will not let her cut my hair because this is the second time she's cut it and every time she does it, she's a little, she gets a little overzealous. You know what I mean? She gets excited. Well, it's tough, dude. Cause like these salons even like that are really expensive. They don't know how to cut like men's hair the way I want it cut. Well, men's hair is tough. It is tough. Yeah, any stylist will tell you that cutting a man's hair is much harder than it was because there's less room. Yeah, oh yeah. Way less room for air, that's why. It's really fine. When you're dealing with it, it's just like an artist, right? That that sculpting something, like as you get to a smaller of a piece, it gets more technical and it's hard. Why is it so much more expensive to cut a woman's hair? More work. Yeah. There's more work involved. Probably too, because the market- Do a bunch of stuff. Probably because women are willing to pay more. Color it and all the stuff. That's the fat's what it is. It's that there's most guys are like me who are like, whatever, it's a little short but it's fine, I don't give a shit. Like we literally take it. I used to just like buzz my hair just because it was easier. Do you know how happy that makes me to do that? Cause I used to buzz my whole head. I did that for a while while I was doing when I was training Jiu-Jitsu. And it's- It's an ultimate athletic haircut. Oh bro, it just feels so good. You know what I mean? We're, I'm about- The only problem is I kind of looked like a white nationalist. Yeah, that was the only problem. Like a white supremacist. See, I can do it. I had to explain right away. I'm like, no. There's no search into that right now. That's why I still have hair. I'm like, I don't subscribe. Well, so I'm like one or two years away in my relationship with Jessica where I'm going to just start buzzing my hair. Like I still, like I got to look good still but a year or two later, in a year or two I'm going to start all of it. Like, sorry, I'm still going to do it. No, I can't, I got to be on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah, what are you going to do? I think you look good with a shaved head. Dude, I don't- Oh, I love to go back to shaved head. You don't? No, I don't. I have a nice shave- You have like divots or something in your head? My workouts go up like, at least like 30%. Oh, I just, I feel more testosterone. Yeah, you just, ah! Yeah, I don't believe the story of Samson at all. I think it was the opposite. No, it's totally opposite. I think he grew his hair and got a haircut. That was a story made up by women. Do you know why? And if you think about it, if you think about it like historically speaking, I was thinking about this as this woman was butchering my hair. I was like, you know, because this is what I do when I'm in an uncomfortable place, I start to get philosophical, it takes me away from what's going on because I was getting irritated. But I knew if I said something she'd get worse I might just fucking keep doing what you're doing. I'm like, I wonder why in most cultures men have had short hair and women have had longer hair. Why was that a thing? And it's obvious, right? It's obvious why men have always cut their hair short. Because we're in battle when you're fighting with someone else, you don't wanna give somebody- Yeah, you don't wanna get your hair pulled. No, have you seen girls fight? Oh yeah, that's the first thing. Let me tell you something, do you guys ever watch, do you guys watch the early UFC's? Mm-hmm, dude, I saw such a good girl fight. Dude, hold on, tell me in a second. Do you guys remember UFC 3 when Hoyce Gracie fought Kimo? That big old jacked, righted out Hawaiian-looking dude with the big cross tattoo on his back? I remember both of us along here. Yeah, really, along here. So Hoyce at the time was, everybody thought he was like, oh my God, he's like, he's a God, he's killing everybody, he can't lose. Then this big dude, Kimo, who outweighed him by like 80 pounds with this big muscular strong dude, fights him and gets on top of him. And like the first time Hoyce looked like, oh my God, you gotta watch out. So Hoyce just grabs ahold of this guy's big ass ponytail and just has a grip and he keeps that to control Kimo and he ends up winning the fight eventually. And that's just it, like you, if you have long hair, that's a, if I fought a dude with long hair, I would grab his hair- Well, they made that rule in football. Yeah, we did that in football. Your hair's part of the jersey, man. No, it's not. Oh yeah, dude. Yeah, so if you're a running back and you think it's cool to have long ass dreads and shit hanging out your fucking helmet, and there's dudes that like go, but I did it. Oh yeah. I mean, if they just like turn the corner and all you have is either, you know, like the back of their jersey or like hair, I'm like grabbing your fucking hair, pulling you down. Pulling you down, yeah. I love it. He said he saw a really good girl. Oh, when I was in, the best girl fight I've ever seen, I've seen a lot of girl fights, I've seen an entire lot, but the best one I ever saw was in high school, man. This girl and these two girls, both of them were just, rarely ever do you see two girls that like are like ready to down to throw and these girls were both ready to throw and they came at each other and the first thing, you grab each other's hair and one girl just got a better grip on both sides, like ponytail sides, you know, and grabs a hold of her and just knead her right in the face, dude. Splitter face, wide open, blood everywhere. They got her in a Muay Thai. Oh man. And then when they pulled them apart, they had a handful of hair. Both the girls had a handful of hair and they're like, oh my God, dude. They got a hurt pulling that shit off. That's the first place you're gonna go, man. That's why we cut our hair for it. Speaking of high school, so I'm reading the iGen book, right? And they're talking about like the generation coming up, so this is like a lot of the high schools right now. And one of the things like sexuality and stuff like that, and we've kind of grazed on, or talked about this a little bit, like as far as how that's changing and different and kids are having sex later and a lot of them are not, you know, there's this new trend of like to not identify with one sex or the other. And so they have new terms and new things that they're doing so fluidity thing. Well, so there's a thing called lug and bugs, lugs and bugs, L, U, G and BG. What the fuck is this? Lug stands for lesbian until graduation and bug stands for bisexual until graduation. And so there's this trend that's going on right now that it's like high school and like early 20s or is the time to like experiment with both boys and girls to kind of figure out like what you're supposed to be with later on. And they actually have terms for it. You know what's funny about this? I didn't know this. Is that they just named something. Lugs and bugs. They just named something that happens that used to happen too. It always happened, this has always happened. People of that, the first sexual experiences tend to be with the same sex, not full on sex, but the first sexual experience. Cause those are the people you hang around hang around with the most. They're just now labeling. Well, and the generation now too is also trying not to get like attached in relationships. Yeah, that one I've read about. Yes. That one's a little worrisome. I meant to tell you, I forgot to, okay I get it, I'll share the chapter over you, but it completely debunked the idea that this generation now is into more open relationships and promiscuity. Is it promiscuity? Yeah, promiscuity. Right. Are they into the opposite? Yeah, so waiting, it's like less of them are having sex at an earlier age. Most of them are waiting till longer and most of them actually desire it. So it's more millennial like the generation for them? Well, they were more and we were even more than that. They were more than that. And then it gives even further when you get into like the 70s and stuff. So it's not happening that way. Now it looks like that. And because some of the things that they're saying how none of them really want like a, what they don't want is a for sure relationship in high school or college because at that time they know their brain is still developing, they're still trying to take care of themselves and getting in a relationship could compromise that. And so they're more likely not to date or be in a relationship at all, but it's not promoting more sex or with multiple partners. So they read all the stats on all that and there's like less, they're having less sex, they're having less sex with multiple partners. And most of them say too, that they would desire a relationship. It's just they're not looking for that right now at this point in the world. That's interesting. I wonder if that's just the byproduct of like the over-parenting like you have the drawbacks of that and then maybe some positives too where maybe kids are less likely to... So that's what they theorize that a little bit is on the parents of the generation that's raising the kids right now, the helicopter parents and being like, it's very normal. And now that I've read this and I've gone back and kind of thought about like all these kids that I'm meeting that are in the 17 to 20 year olds, many of them like bring their parents to places. Here's a crazy thing for you. And I believe Katrina was just talking to was just talking to our intern Enzo about this is I don't know about you guys, but Friday night for football games for me was like in high school was a big deal. I mean, we roped off a whole area. Everybody did pre-drinking before they went to the game. It was like an event. Like you got smashed and acted like a fool all day or at the Friday night game. And then after the game, you go to the after party and you're hanging out all night long and doing whatever. Well, kids now to go home after the game and then a lot of them go to the game with their parents. So it's really common if you're in high school now to go watch a football game with parents. It's just, it's not weird. It's normal like you love your parents, your parents are cool. They were watching the high school football game and then you'd go home. It's like a mixed bag. Parents are cool, yeah. No, I think it's like a mixed bag. I think, you know, the other part of it too is I know parents are having less kids. So like the average family today has less kids than the average family did, let's say 30 years ago. And that may contribute to more parenting. Right. You know what I mean? Cause they're around more and they're gonna focus on you more. It seems good, but it also seems a little needy on the parents part. Like, you know, let them like have friends and do things by themselves. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's just kind of weird. It's like cool, cause you can have that kind of relationship at the same time. It's like, you know, let's, let's let them develop other relationships. Well, I mean, you know, one of the things that they, they have correlated this with that I thought was really fascinating. I thought you guys would get a kick out of was 16 and pregnant. The decline. Oh, I read this. I read this somewhere else. Dude, it was like. That did great things actually, right? It did. Yeah. The statistic on like underage pregnancy and so, or pregnancy out of wedlock or under the age of like 18 or something. I can't remember what the actual statistics said, but man, it's like decreased by 20%. And since that show went live on TV and they did all these interviews with a lot of students and a lot of them referenced that show. Like, oh, I don't, I don't want to be like that. I've seen what that looks like. Yeah. So I thought that was kind of fascinating. Oh yeah. It's good that they show all that and like all the steps and they're like, how crazy it is the environment and it just takes over your entire life. Like it like kids. Well, we always don't even realize that we always tease me, right? And we joke about that. I watched that when I'm sick, right? And I always say like, I'm always trying to connect like why is that or whatever? And the only thing that I can come up with is that it make, cause I feel so miserable at the moment, like physically that it makes me feel better about myself seeing that going like, I'm so glad I didn't have a kid. It's like watching horrors. Right. It is something like that. You don't say so. I'm sure that's what's happened to a lot of these 16, 17, 18 year old kids that are watching the show too or just like, I don't want to be anything but that. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't want to end up stuck at home with my mom forever. Crazy dude. This, this kid, I didn't know him and I, you know, so that's why I don't really want to like talk too much about like who exactly he is. But in local news, there's this kid that like grew up at our high school and like a lot of my friends are really good friends with him and like super, like clean kid, like everybody had like nothing but positive things to say about him, but found out that one of the local coffee shops had caught him on camera, basically embedding a little tiny camera inside to videotape. And the restroom. That went into the bathroom. In the bathroom? In the bathroom. Oh shit. And like, you know who goes in there? Everybody. Like man, women, kids, everybody. And so they, they got a warrant for his arrest and went to his house and like found all that shit and all the videos. Oh my gosh. That is his place. So I was just like. And this was a kid that you, that was known to be nice. Yeah. Exactly. And everybody had nothing but like, man, it was like super stand up kid, like good kid and. So they actually saw him on surveillance putting it there. Yeah. How old is this kid? He's a couple years younger than me. So he's like my friend's brother was good friends with him. So he's, he's like maybe like two, three years. Wait a minute. And this is now? Mm-hmm. So he's not a kid. He's over the weekend. Yeah. He's an adult. He's an adult. Yeah, I guess so. I consider him younger than me a kid. I always say that. Yeah, you're saying this is a good kid. I'm thinking like this some 13 year old kid. No, no, no. He's a fucking pervert. He's an old man. He's a fucking perv, dude. Wow. And I couldn't believe. And then I remembered, have you ever watched that Netflix documentary, Voyeur? No. So it was about this owner of a motel that he purchased that I guess like he actually built in a way that he could go behind all the rooms, climb up into the top and like look down through the ventilation. Like, you know, part of the where like the air comes in and watch people have sex and all that kind of stuff. Got away with it for like over two decades. And then. Two decades? Two decades and then decided to come out later and tell this reporter from like the New Yorker or I guess he's real famous for like interviewing people that have like really interesting fetishes and stuff and just came out and like did this whole like Netflix documentary with him. It was like, it was super fucking creepy and like very fascinating all at the same time. Like he had this like weird impression like one day, like I guess where he was outside and he saw like this neighbor lady like like taking her shirt off or whatever and then that just became this obsession. Like he just started obsessing, obsessing about it and they carried with them into, you know creating this entire environment to suit his like fucked up, you know, desires. I think we're gonna see more of this. Well, because the cameras are so easy to and for a lot of reasons. Porn too, right? A lot of reasons, a lot of reasons too. I mean, I think that we're becoming less socially connected to each other where we actually go and interact and talk to people and go look at naked people in real life. You know what I'm saying? It's like you're so. Well, there's cameras everywhere. You know what my grandma showed me this today, yesterday? So we were at my mom's house for dinner, right? And my grandma who is 75 years old, you know, old school Sicilian woman and she cracks me up because she's somehow, she's like up and up with technology sometimes. Like she'll be on Facebook and she doesn't have a driver's license, never driven her entire life. Old school, right? So she brings me her cell phone and she goes, oh, look what I have. And I look at it and I'm like, that's your house. And she goes, yeah, I got the camera hooked up to the phone and she goes and look at this and she switches cameras and she's like, look, this is your aunt's house. I'm like, you're looking at her house too? They have the Nest cameras. They have the Nest cameras hooked up. And then she's on the fucking network and she can watch everybody's house. So my grand, this is by the way, by the way, this is a Sicilian grandmother's dream, right? Oh, of course, yeah. So she's on her phone and she's toggling between them. My mom's always watching. Yeah, the different cameras. And she's like, this morning I see, you know, Casey walk out, this is my aunt's, you know, husband. Casey walk outside and he fixed at the garage and she goes, look, I can see she rewinds the video, showed me what he fixed at the garage. I'm like, are you at home watching? What are you doing? She's like, you should get one to your house. It's like TV, it's so great. She's like, then I can watch if you're kids or you know, whatever. And I'm like, I'm thinking about Mike. That's not a bad idea, you know? If I let my grandma watch that shit. What did you think about last week when Jessica was cooking in the kitchen naked? Yeah, exactly. I was walking outside in the backyard, you know? But I was cracking up because, and these cameras are like. Oh, the Sophisticated. Oh dude, and you watch it. You get really small ones and get a lot. Where you getting alert on your phone. So her phone will give an alert when there's motion. So, and then you can talk to the camera. So she said that somebody came to my aunt's house and rang the doorbell, nobody's home. So she talked to the camera, who is it? You know, I'm here to whatever. Okay, we'll get it later or whatever and they leave. I was cracking up, but yeah, that's gonna. Dude, if I ever saw, if I ever caught a guy doing that, I mean, for me, I don't give a shit. You can record me all you want. You're the one that's gonna be embarrassed. Trust me, I'm not gonna give a shit. But if I catch that shit when my kids are home. Are you kidding me? You're gonna get the beating of a lifetime. That's the thing, dude. Like, it's so fucked up and perverted. Like, where did that like enter his head that that was a good idea? You know, like, how did that fucking happen? You know, like, I've just been like, it's seriously. It's becoming disconnected from people, dude. It's not reality to them. I can't even imagine. It's not reality. It's TV in a sense. Well, people back in the, at least back in the day without cameras, you had to like hide. You know what I mean? You had to like be there. Do you ever read the story about the guy? This is a, I think it's a true story. Hopefully Doug can confirm this because I don't wanna be making up some shit. And I think it's a true story. There was a guy that was arrested because he crawled into a porta-potty and laid at the bottom so he could watch people go into the bathroom. That's disgusting. That can't be real. I mean, that's commitment. I'm almost like, at least he was in there. I'd be still be mad. You'd still get a beating, but at least I'd be like, well. Like, hold on. I'm not done. That's disgusting. That can't be real. I'm almost positive that was a true story. We gotta look that up. Maybe Doug can find it. This is the grossest thing I've ever heard, dude. Hidden tank of portable toilet to spy on women. He was sentenced to three years in prison. Why? Just leave him in the porta-potty. Just have Justin, just leave him there. That's right. Like eat a whole thing at like Taco Bell, you know. We're not gonna put you in prison. We're gonna leave you there for two weeks, bro. I'm gonna make you pay for this, you son of a bitch. Get all your sick thrills out. Come out of the bathroom and we'll go up to Justin. Hey, Justin, we got a situation. Listen, there's a guy hiding in there, trying to look at people. I'll blast him out. I need to go in there and... To pay to enjoy this. The fucking dude would die. It was at a yoga festival. Oh my God, it's a yoga festival. I don't know why. That's so funny. That's a lot of vegans. That's a lot of bad people. That's a smart strategy. You think so? Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. You're not gonna go to a barbecue, you know what I'm saying? Oh my God, you're right. Oh, horrible. Yeah, dude. You ain't going there. The vegan idea, that's our vote. Yoga, there's probably a lot of vegans, a bunch of salad eaters, where they do like little tiny poops. Little pellets hitting you. Yeah, dude, he ain't tripping. Not too bad. A lot of fiber. Fiber coming out. That's disgusting. That's terrible. What's wrong with people? Yeah, people are fucked up. Speaking of diets, I just did my monthly fast, just did it this weekend. All right. You know what always surprises me? So each month I've done it now for, this has gotta be month. You're like five or six, at least. I think it's month six. Each time I do it, I get better and better and better after each time. I can physically- Now I was really curious about how you felt this time because you've been increasing like me and Justin too, increasing our carbon take. And I know my appetite is starting to roll. Oh, my appetite was way higher. It was much more difficult. So was this with the hardest one? Much more difficult with food. I mean, it's still like, you know, I'll do it, but definitely this time I wanted to eat more than I have in the past. If I go into a fast, already low calories or keto, then my appetite's usually not that bad. But this time I went in there with, my metabolism's amped up. I've been eating more. I definitely wanted more food, but I did it. I did a, how long did we go? Almost 40 hours. So I didn't even do a full 48 hours. Oh wow, you didn't go full 48 hours. No, I listen to my body. You know, I feel like if my gut is off, then I'll go longer. If I go into a good, then I'll go shorter. I don't think a super long one is not only necessary, but benefit, you have to listen to your body at the end of the day. And it just felt right to end it at that particular time. And what I love about it is not only do I improve after each time, so after each time I notice less inflammation, better reactions to food. I'm at the point now where I'm eating sourdough bread sometimes, no reaction whatsoever. And then sourdough bread is less gluten than regular bread because it's fermented. But still, I couldn't even do that before, right? I'm able to eat starches, no problem. I actually had pasta at my mom's house, no issues. But one thing that I, it's also the thing that you eat right after you break a fast, you can feel what's going on. So I had a little of the Organified Green Juice to break my fast, just a little bit of it, drink it. Boy, that was like a whole nother supplement. I felt it right away, boom, energy. And yeah, right away. Like I must have assimilated the shit out of it right away. What's your thoughts about doing like kombucha right afterwards, like using like our brew doctor and drinking that right after you get out of a fast? So what I do typically will aim for, so I like the green juice, I like the way that felt. So I might start using that more often. I like bone broth, liquid things, right? Liquid calories that are kind of easy. And then I do do, I typically will do either kombucha or I make sure to take a probiotic just to get, because your gut microbiome is different when you're not eating because you haven't been feeding it. And what you may notice after a fast, I haven't communicated this well enough in the past. So I wanna make sure people know this. When you break a fast, how you break the fast is very important and expect your gut to be a little off. Oh, totally. The day you break the fast. Very much so. Everybody that I know that's pushed a two day or beyond fast, like you just, you're super sensitive. Yeah, well it's like your gut almost, it goes asleep in essence. So kind of like, it almost like it hibernates. It stops doing anything. And then when you throw food in it, it wakes it up. And the first thing it does is it tries to evacuate kind of what was in there. So the first like one to three bathroom trips that you have are not ideal. I haven't even thought about trying the brew doctor till right now, until you're talking right now. I thought, maybe that's a good idea. Cause every time I've done like a broth, I've done like either a bone broth or a chicken broth like heading into it. And then like just a small bowl of vegetables and then like just a small portion of meat. And then it takes me about the second or third day before I really- Your gut's back to normal. Yeah, before I feel like my stomach feels really good. It's the second and third day. Sorry, let me think. Yesterday was the first, second. So today's like the second day, second, maybe two and a half is when I start to feel the rebound and dare I say anabolic effect from it. And I say dare I say, cause I'm gonna, I'm sure I'm gonna get some people who are gonna get angry with me for saying that. But for sure, I noticed personally the second or third day, it's like I feed my body and it's like the post-diet rebound that you get. You know, when you come off of a show or whatever where you just feel like your muscles soak everything up and my workouts start to feel really good. I start to feel really strong. So it takes about two or three days, but the day after my gut's still a little off. You know what I mean? I'm excited though, dude. Brewdoctor's got their can now. Now you can take your stuff over to the beach now. No more having, cause you can't drink no beer ever. You never drink any beer. Now you can drink your kombucha over on the beach. Are there any other, no, nobody's got a can, dude. They're the first ones to do it. Why? The first ones to do it. I know. That's weird. Why are they the first ones? I don't know. Is there something with the kombucha? I mean, Doug would have a better guess at something like that. We already, they sent them over to us. Like, I don't know if you drank one yet out of the can. It's fricking awesome. Dude, they have the best tasting kombucha. Yeah, I haven't had it out of the can yet. I'm excited, especially to bring it with you and stuff like. They sent over a case for us, July 9th. So this what, this goes live but a couple of days before that. So, you know, July 9th is when it'll be in Whole Food. So everyone that hasn't tried it out or wants to try it out, I think that's cool right before summertime. Not everybody's drinking beer on the beach all the time. They give you a little alternative. A little healthy alternative. That's, it's the best tasting kombucha that I've had. I've definitely made the switch to that one. So I read an interesting article in sciencemag.org the other day. The title of it is hundreds of new genes may underlie intelligence. So identified a bunch of new genes that they think are connected to intelligence that are also connected to autism and depression. So we've now suspected for a while that high levels of intelligence are somehow connected to higher rates of depression, anxiety. Seemed a little more tormented. And autism. I don't know. I think what it is is, I was reading about like why the theory of this exists. Whenever you have a species, the what's the most of or what you see the highest percentage of that species, like in the middle, if we look at humans we're an intelligent species, right? The middle pack is where you're gonna be the safest. That's where you're gonna see probably the longest potential for lifespan, the best ability to fight off, general fight off disease, a general level of intelligence, all that stuff. The outliers are different. They're different. So if you're by nature, if you're very, very intelligent compared to everybody else, by nature you're different. You just have something different about you. So it's almost like your genes played a little bit of a craps, like they threw the dice. And boom, you've got the genes that make you far more intelligent, but you've also taken a risk with these other genes that might cause other problems. Tip you over into depression. That's part of it. And then there's some other theories that say that just very intelligent people are more neurotic, like there's more stuff to think about and that might cause more anxiety. They overthink things. Yeah, they feel like personally responsible to do something as they know certain ways to handle certain problems. And so they carry a lot of weight. Or maybe they just know the potential risks and stuff like that. What's the old saying, ignorance is bliss. I think that may be true to some extent. I wanted to talk to you about the epigenetic modification study that you sent over to me the other day. I think that's super fast. Which one? I don't remember reading it. Yeah, that's the one on if you have taken steroids before. Oh yeah. So basically if you've modified your genetics that it may potentially actually modify your DNA forever. Well, this is the one, this is the study that showed that it was based off the study that showed that when people guys lifted weights for seven weeks, then didn't lift weights at all for seven weeks. And then they'd work out again that not only would they gain their gains back very quickly, but that they'd gain more. Now, here's the other side of that. I think the percentages were like 12% over what they had initially gained. So there was like a, not only they gained back what they got, but they got extra. My question for that is would they have gotten that and then some of they'd never taken that time off? In other words, is it making up for what they missed or is it more than what they missed or is it less than what they missed? But what they talked about in this article was that because of muscle memory, let's say you go on a bunch of anabolic steroids and you build all this, let's say you gain 25 pounds over your genetic potential. Let's say your genetic potential says that you can only gain, get up to 200 pounds lean of the body mass. This is probably one of the most popular questions that I've been asked by young kids that are growing up that are considering taking steroids is one of the most common questions asked is, will I lose all my gains after I get off? And do I have to run them all the time in order to get bigger? Is that, and so, and that's always been something that I can't answer. Like I don't know the answer. But I have my own personal experience in what I think but I have not seen anything that's come out to show this and this is the first study that may prove that if once you've ran anabolic steroids that you now have a higher potential to build more muscle. There's a lot of, Forever, even when you're off. Yeah, and there's a lot of factors, right? But let's say like, again, let's say your limit, your genetic limit for muscle gain with good training, good diet loss, that was 200 pounds. Then you throw anabolic on it and you push your body to 215. So you gain 15 more pounds of muscle. Then you go off the steroids, everything goes back to normal. Does that muscle memory from the extra 15 pounds still apply to where now you're able to gain a little bit more muscle? I think yes, I think that there may be a little extra that you get from that. But here's the other factor though. A, I think you have to stay on them for a little while and keep that muscle for a little while. And B, there's a lot of other factors like, okay, now you've been on steroids for a little while, now you go off. Are your hormones gonna ever go back to normal? Are you ever gonna have the same, are you gonna understand your body and training? Like you would have, that's a big factor. Cause I know a lot of guys that ran a lot of gear for years, who when they went off, even with normal testosterone levels, they don't know how to fucking train because they never really learned how their body reacted. So there's all these factors that go into that. But I think all things being equal, I think so, I think there's probably an advantage. I really wanted to discuss this with you. I just think it was so crazy that you had sent this over first. And this has been kind of like something that I'm paying attention to with myself right now. So I find this really fascinating right now. I'm barely like getting back to what I, I'm not even my normal good self. But I mean, the fact that I'm already in the quote unquote normal range of free testosterone is a huge plus for me. And I can already feel it. Like, and since we've reintroduced carbohydrates, my training's going great. I've got good momentum right now. And the gains are coming on strong, like stronger than I really, really anticipated. Like I went from like being depressed and almost frustrated because I wasn't seeing any progress to now that I feel like my hormones and everything's back into place. Carbohydrates are now kicked back up. Like I am just, I'm putting mass on like really fast. And the weight that I'm carrying myself, I've never been in this weight without testosterone. I've always had to be, I'm 220 now. So I'm, this is the weight that I am when I'm, when I'm taking out a box. Now I'm not my competitive 5% body fat 220 right now. So I'm definitely softer than what I would know. But even to be able to put that kind of mass on at that ease for, I mean, that was, but in the past to get to a weight of 220 pounds for me was like stuffing myself, was constantly carrying my meals everywhere around. And I'm eating three meals a day right now. Three meals a day for me is, and now I'm coming from eating one meal and almost two meal a day, but only three meals and maybe a shake in there on like a really high, like high volume day or a day where I'm moving. I think it might play a role. I think there's, cause I'm trying to think of like. Now I was on testosterone for four years consistently, four or five years consistently. So I definitely think that my body had become adapted. Well, do you think that higher levels of testosterone or at least the high levels that you were on or, or, you know, when you're taking gear, do you think that contributes to muscle hyper, hyperplasia? I think yeah. So I think it's muscle hyperplasia. It's probably a combination of the two, right? That doesn't go away, right? I don't think if you, if you gain new muscle fibers they shrink and grow, but I don't think they go away. Right. And I think too, like the stairs might help to contribute you to, you know, like get to a place where your capacity stretches even further than like what you're normally we're capable of, which creates that muscle hyperplasia to where that's like sort of a new standard that your body has to deal with. Now here's the question I have, right? Let's, here's the question. So we'll use you as an example again, Adam. And you know, you can give us your opinion. So you're a holiday, 36, 37? 36. 36, right? So let's say instead of the doing, you know, being on gear ever, let's say you never did gear. You never did it when you were younger. Right. And then you never did it the last four or five years. Right. But you still train consistently. You still ate consistently, all that stuff. Do you think you would have reached this point like you're at now where you can feel this? Do you think you would be better? Or do you think you'd be worse? Cause you have to count all the shit that you've gone through with it. The fact that you, you know, you've had to deal with their hormones. Well, so I don't think that I could have built as much muscle as I built and where I'm at now. I believe that that's given me an advantage because I have ran multiple cycles. So I definitely think that on that end, it's given me an advantage. Now, the great disadvantage and where I would caution anybody even considering it is, I don't think there's a lot of human beings that could have dealt with what I just dealt with for like the last eight months and like it not fucking just ruined life for them. And that was a really, really tough space to be in for that long of a period of time. And I'm still not a hundred percent out of it. I'm like, I'm coming out of it really. And I feel really good right now. So I have a lot of positive things to say. But you're also a trainer. You're also like a student of the game. Right. So I'm aware of what's going on with me. Like the average person who's, you know, fucking around with antibiotics and they take. Yeah. I think the average person went through what you went through. It would have put him in a worse position. Hundred percent. Less muscle, less everything. Hundred percent. Yeah. So I think I was fully aware of what was going on with my body, what I did to it, how I needed to come out of it. I was doing all the protocol I need to. Was consistent with it for a very long time. Like that wasn't just like a handful of times just sitting in front of the Juvelite or a handful of times being in the sauna or a handful of fucking consistent days of supplements or a handful of times me going to the gym when I absolutely did not want to. I mean, that's been fucking eight months of just sticking with it, sticking with it, sticking with it and just now starting to feel good. Now knowing that and knowing where, like for me, like it wasn't worth that. Like that feeling that I had to go through and how hard that was, I would much rather have never had to have gone through that to then to have gone through it. Now, sure it gives me, I think it would make me a better coach now and I think I can speak from that side and I think that adds value, hopefully that adds value to people that listen to the show that can ask questions around that and I could share my honest opinion about it. But I definitely think that I don't think I'd ever be at 200. My body type doesn't seem to want to be a 220, 230 type of guy. I've just, It's hard to separate all the factors, isn't it? Because you've been working out for so long too. You know what I mean? I have people in my family who have worked with their hands for particular jobs or whatever like plumbers, mechanics, construction workers, who'd done it for decades and decades and never took steroids, never even lifted weights, who are now retired and they're in their 70s and they don't work out or anything but you look at like their forearms and the rest of them is atrophy because they're old and they don't do anything anymore but they still have like these muscular forearms and hands from when they were, for the last 50 years or whatever, they were working with them so much. So it's hard to separate all that. I would love to see a study that could be done that wouldn't happen. Right, like maybe with the anabox it helped to like keep this frequency, this repeated like a workout regimen that for some people like it really did keep them like hitting on those same frequencies constantly. There's so many factors to consider because you also have the receptors that anabolic hormones attach to, they down regulate when you have high levels of testosterone. So anybody who's ever used steroids will tell you that they'll go on a dose, let's say they go on 300 milligrams of testosterone which is relatively modest dose, they'll stop feeling it and then they have to take more and then they have to take more and they have to take more or they'll go off and then they'll go back on again and they feel it again because like anything, your body tries to adapt and down regulates receptors. What if long-term exposure to high testosterone really down regulates the receptors, the point where they'll never come back to the way they were before, you know what I mean? There's so many factors to consider, it's hard to say. But I guess if all things were equal. That could be a massive negative, right? It could be, that's what I'm saying. And I know, I mean, we've been in this long enough. I know people who've, I know less people who were on it and went off of it who turned out like fit and healthy afterwards. That's my like perspective too because I've seen a lot of people like it ruin their body. You know, like after they were done, because like again, they didn't know how to apply themselves and take the right proper measures to rebuild, you know, their own body's receptors. Well, I can tell just hormonally that stuff is not worth it. Like just what it's done hormonally. I mean, as a young kid who wanted to look a certain way, I may have reached all those goals and that like that might have felt or filled that void. But then what it did was it gave me a whole mess of other issues that I had to deal with. Like everything from emotions to libido to energy to drive to do anything. Like, and to me, that isn't worth it. Like so the coolest looking physique I could ever build is not worth all the hormonal imbalances. Cause then you like the stuff that nobody talks about is that, you know, if you're in a relationship, whether you're married or you're in a committed serious relationship for a long time and you're going through hormonal stuff at an age of 30, you know what I'm saying? At 30 years old dealing with stuff like that. That's no fucking fun, dude. People don't like going through menopause. You know what I'm saying? And that's like later in life and people all expected and anticipated. You going through something hormonally like that when you're in your 30s. Man, that's a thank God that I could articulate what I was going through so I could to my partner and explain to her why I feel this way, what I'm going through. And she has incredible patience. And man, if it wasn't for Katrina being somebody like that, and not having a strong stable partner during that time, who knows what a mess I could have been to. It's interesting. But would there be a potential benefit, I guess, for muscle size later on when you're off and everything's back to normal? I mean, I guess we could speculate that that might be the case, you know? But I don't know if you- The muscle memory may still be there. Yeah, but factoring in all the other potential factors. If all things were equal, yes. But the fact that there's so many other factors that play into that, I think if we took 100 men and had them do high doses of steroids for two years to try and create that muscle memory and compared them to 100 men who never took steroids but also trained and ate right and stuff like that and then followed them for 10 years after, I would venture to say that the 100 guys that never took them would be better off. Yeah, that'd be it. Better, more fit, more lean. Because of all the other things. I always wondered too though, like so I was stupid when I was a young kid. When I was in my early 20s, the first time that I, it wasn't until I had to take it for therapy later on that I really understand it and really like started to run protocols correctly and stuff. Otherwise, I wasn't doing a PCT right at all. My post-cycle therapy when I was a kid was stupid. It didn't do anything really at all. Like I was not, I didn't know yet, until it hit me and then when it hit me, it was like, oh fuck, I just fucked up my whole home. You know it trips me out back in the day, in the 70s, I don't think they had, they didn't have the selective estrogen receptor drugs, like Novodex or Clomid. I don't think those were invented until the 80s. I don't think they had HCG back then, if I'm not mistaken. So there's no real protocol on the way down. Well, back then they would just go off. They would just go off. And back then you would taper down and you weren't taking nowhere near what guys are taking now. No. Yeah, you know now you're taking so many things that are messing with your hormones and your thyroid and everything else, like there's so many. I mean, these pro bodybuilders now are a walking chemistry set. And if you're some young kid who's thinking about getting involved in it, like it's a scary thing to try and do. Like do, I mean, do not be fooled. Some of the, besides the fact that most of these guys have the genetics to not only get massive like that, but also the genetics to be able to handle all that testosterone. That was something I noticed right away with my body too, like my body was just reacting to it. I just couldn't handle much more than 500 milligrams. I get to 500 milligrams and my body would just fucking freak out. Well, the worst thing you can do for yourself, right, is to go way too much. Well, I see it all the time. I see guys that, you know. Well, because it becomes the answer to everything, that's why. So if it's not working, then more is gonna work, more is gonna work, more is gonna work. But back, you know, not a while ago, 300 milligrams of testosterone a week was the pro dose. Today that's the starting dose. Like if you're some kid and you go up to some steroid dealer at the gym and you say, hey, what should I start taking? Don't recommend you take about 300. A guy's considered that off cycle. That's like, that's your off cycle. That's not a replacement. That's way more than replacement. Yeah, it's way, way more replacement. But that's what a lot of guys consider like a, this is off season. So I'm only running, you know, 300 milligrams a week of testosterone. No, a gram is the competitive dose. They just take a whole gram of testosterone, which is like, what is that? Four CCs of a high dose of, yeah. Yeah, if you're taking, a Cc is 250 normally in test, you're a typical testosterone unless you have something special. So yeah, about four Ccs. That's more than a full syringe worth of testosterone you're taking. They're just pushing it like crazy. This Quas brought to you by Organifi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic super foods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try Organifi totally risk free for 60 days by going to organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code MINDPUMP for 20% off at checkout. First up is Diary of Effect Guy. Do you think it's more important for advanced lifters to focus on minimum effective volume or maximum recoverable volume? Maximum recoverable volume and minimum effective volume are the same thing. So what I think, I know what he's trying to communicate. He's trying to say, do I go with the least amount of work to give me the most results or do I go with the most amount of results that I can recover from? But the reality is that they're both the same thing because the minimum volume, a minimum volume would be something that causes your body to change a little bit. When we're talking about the minimum effective volume, what we're saying is do the least amount of work to give you the maximum benefit and then don't do more than that because then more than that is not only more than you need but will take away from your body's ability to recover and adapt. And so that's the game. The game is and that can be very, when you get a beginner, let me explain something. I learned this as a trainer like two, three years into my training. You get a new client coming in who'd never worked out before. Doesn't take much at all to get to hit that number. It doesn't take much at all. I would get a client and early in the days I'd be like, okay, today's your first workout. Well then we'll just do three leg exercises instead of five. Three leg exercises, way too much for a beginner. And people would tell me that I couldn't walk for two or three days. So it was literally, sometimes one set of full range of motion squats will get somebody sore enough to where they can't walk for two days. If somebody has never squatted before and you put up 100 pounds, that's it, on their back and they squat 10 reps, sore, for sure, for at least two or three days, you know what I'm saying? Like that's so foreign to that body and there's no reason to push me on. Now, I think this is, whether you're an advanced lifter or you're a brand new lifter, I think the message is the same. And I think the message is the same for this reason. It's not because the advanced lifter can't technically handle more, but I think that we have this culture around the beast mode thing and get after it and like you have to earn these workouts and you gotta push so hard. We have a very athletic or athlete mentality going into working out. And working out isn't like that, not to sculpt the physique. Like if you're training as an athlete, totally different, but if we're talking about, and I know who we're talking to right now, he's a competitor. So when you are training, you are more likely going to be the person who overdoes it. It's just, I still to this day, this is our message is always trying to tell people this. And I still catch myself flirting with the other side. Now, I think it's okay and healthy, especially for an advanced lifter like you to do this, because you can kind of flirt with that threshold. But I think a majority of people tend to push that and push it beyond too much to the point where it starts to hinder your results instead of actually accelerating them like they think. Too many people connect the hard workout and the soreness with accelerating their results and it couldn't be further from the truth. And I think a lot of times too, it's this is kind of playing in, like you love going to the gym, like it's a culture, it's a ritual, it's a lot of times like it becomes this, it becomes bigger than it needs to be. So like, I'll stretch my workouts a little bit longer, I'll do a little bit more just because you kind of get into the rhythm, you get into the feel of it. But at the same time, like what you're creating is way more volume. Like where are you gonna go from here as you've created all this volume? Now it's like consuming like, you know, a huge portion of your day when it didn't need to. Yeah, there's a right amount. I think that's the best answer. The right amount is the one that's gonna get your body to change the most. And also, it's also the right amount in the sense that it's not too much to where it prevents the adaptation process from happening or prolongs the adaptation process. So what I mean by that is, there's it's a perfect amount and the perfect amount is the minimum effective volume which also is the maximum amount that you can recover from based on your goals. And I don't mean maximum recoverable in the sense that should I just push my body as hard as I possibly can so that I can just recover enough for my next workout? Well no, because your goal is to progress. If you want your body to progress, you wanna set the gears in motion for that to happen. And anything, anything you do that's over that takes away from your body's ability to adapt and recover. Now that doesn't mean you do nothing. What that means is because I can reduce my intensity, I can now facilitate recovery, I can facilitate better recruitment patterns, I can focus on other things. But when it comes to setting those gears in motion, there's the, you wanna do the right amount. Any more than that, not only is it a waste of time, but it's only gonna take away from your ability to change. And here's the thing, that amount is so different from person to person. The more advanced you are, the more that you need to do to make that happen. Like if I take an advanced lifter, I take a high level athlete and I bring him in the gym, I have to train them at a certain intensity, otherwise I'm gonna cause no adaptation. In fact, if I train them like the average person, their body will actually lose strength and lose endurance. I have to push them even harder. You know, they've done studies where they show, what do they call it, muscle protein synthesis. This is one way you can measure whether or not muscles are building, right? And we see that that signal elevates post exercise or post workout and it stays elevated for anywhere between 24 to 72 hours and then it starts to drop. This is why it's probably better to train your body more frequently with the same volume, the less frequently. So you can maintain that elevated protein synthesis signal. Now here's the thing, the more advanced the trainees are, the more advanced the lifters are, the shorter that stay, that the shorter period of time that that stays elevated, where you could get somebody who's super, super advanced, that muscle protein synthesis level will spike and go down within 24 hours. In fact, I just read a study that was just published recently and I shared it on the forum where they took advanced lifters. So these are guys that have been working out for a long time and they had half of them do, both sides of the same total volume. Everything was the same. The difference was this group over here did worked out their body three days a week. This group over here worked their whole body five days a week. That's a lot of frequency. They hit the entire body five days a week but everything else was the same. The group that did it five days a week got more gains in strength and performance. Now, if I did that to the average person, way too much. But when you're really advanced, I mean, when I got to the point where I was training consistently. Well, the message behind what you're saying too right now because if the volume is the same and you're splitting up over five versus three, like this is where like someone who's advanced like Sean, I think it'd be better off starting to implement more trigger sessions in your week than actually trying to push harder on the intensity side. I think competitors and athletes always gravitate towards the intensity side where you'd be far better off actually doing stuff that is, I mean, and this is stuff that I'm doing right now, like all day I'll come in and I know that my body's recovering all over the place and it's like, yet I wanna stay consistent with coming to the gym. So the entire hour is all mobility work. What's great is my body is gonna see gains from that still. People just don't think of it because I'm not pushing the body super hard. I'm gonna promote more oxygen, more blood flow, more nutrients, faster recovery by doing so. And my body's burning. I'm training good recruitment patterns. When you were competing at the highest level and you were working on a weak body part, how often, and forget intensity, I'm not talking about hard workouts, but how often were you training the body parts you'd wanna bring up throughout the week? Five days a week. Right, right. So I mean, you were doing- But I worked up to that. Yes. So I mean- And that's what I'm saying, your body at that point, anything less than that and you probably would have seen- Right, I think that's important to note that though is that something that I did from the day deciding that I'm gonna lean out all the way to the day I was gonna get on stage to I'm gonna work my way always the professional level was, I was always building on the volume. And as I get to a show, and that's why I like this question too, I'm always leaning on the minimum effective dose because as I get closer to the show, I know I can start ramping that up. Like, if I come out the gates and I'm crushing workouts, it's like, okay, 12 weeks is my show and I start coming out. I'm like hitting my workouts hard and I'm trying to try and keep that pace all the way through 12 weeks. It's not gonna happen. I would way rather be on the other side and be like, okay, I'm gonna do just what I think is enough and then I get out of the workout and go like, oh, I could have done a little bit more. That's okay, I gotta work out tomorrow. So tomorrow I stretch myself a little bit. So I'm always leaning on that, just doing what I need to do to elicit change because I know that as I get into the final four or five weeks, I still got time and I still got like, okay, I haven't hit that extra level. I haven't hit that next level of training. I haven't increased my volume to or come back for a second session like some of these guys do their entire prep. So you wanna save that so when you can still control that. Otherwise, what I see a lot with competitors is the difference between their body, you know, 15, 20 days out and the day of the show is a little bit of a water pool. That's about it. Other than that, they haven't made any real change aesthetically because their body is plateaued so hard. They're already pushing the most amount of volume. They possibly can't, the only thing now they can manipulate is water and diet a little bit heading into the show. You get diminishing returns. You end up getting diminishing returns when you go past what you need to do to get your body to change. If you think about it in a point system, like if 10 points equals maximum muscle building signal and you've sent, you know, the first set that you do may send, you know, give you five points. The second set may give you another three points. The third set gives you another two points. Now each set successively may give you a quarter point or, you know, less. And so you get diminishing returns with each successive set. But in the meantime, you're taken away from your body's ability to recover and adapt because that also costs points. And those don't diminish. In fact, they accelerate. So one set may cost two points of recovery. The second set costs an additional three. The third set costs an additional four. And if I keep pushing my body, it's costing me more recovery time per muscle building. The only reason the only reason we recover, that keeps compiling and compiling and it becomes even greater. The only reason why this is even a discussion is because of antibiotics. Because antibiotics have allowed people to get away with this bullshit for a very long time. Because you can, if you took, if you take enough gear, you can just hammer the fuck out of your body and it will just keep responding somewhat. So you get a lot, there's so much more room for error. If everybody was natural and we were all trying to build these great physiques, this would be so crucial. And if they just train like they're natural, they would be doing so much better for their body. Right, and so that's where it's really tough to argue with somebody who is running a bunch of gear and is just like, these guys train like a bunch of pussies. Like I can go hammer. And that's really, I remember Team No Sweat was the nickname that Donnelly gave us way back when. And it's like, dude, just because you can train like a. Doesn't mean you should. Yeah, it doesn't mean you necessarily should. Just cause you can get away with that. To me, that's lazy. To me, you're not putting those. It's not mentally like the discipline there isn't as great as the opposite. This wasn't, to me, this was one of my biggest advantage of being an amateur coming into it, coming into it, knowing how to train and how to program was when I got into the space, not a lot of guys were hiring coaches, a lot of coaches were giving just kind of cookie cutter type of programs. And I really understood this piece and understood that I needed to give myself, if I'm going to progress my body show after show after show month after month after month and year after year, like I've got to give myself room. And I do not want to come out. If you're the first six months of lifting, like your best workout of your life can't come then, you know what I'm saying? It's got to come down the road. Like I got to work up to my best workout of my life. And so I had that strategy going in so my body would continually to see progress. And that's why we are always preaching the do as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change. I also think that people, especially when you hate yourself and you feel like, I don't like the way I look or whatever or I need a shitty diet. I also think that the pain and the intensity and the way they apply- It's a punishment. It's a punishment and it makes them feel like they're doing more. Like if I go to the gym, like if I won't lose 30 pounds I'm really unhappy with my weight. And even if I know that 45 minutes of this workout is what I need, anything more than that is a little too much. I may still go in the gym and do more because I think I'm doing some more to get to my goal. Like, fuck it, I'm gonna do some extra credit. It doesn't work that way. If it did, then every workout would be literally as much as you can do. And that's how easy it would be. It would be so easy. Oh, you wanna get fit? And that's a lot of the advice that's given. You know, like do, like every time you gotta do more and more and more and more and more is always better, right? It's not the case. No, only with money. Yeah. Very true. Next question is from doubleot silk drop. How do you prevent or minimize overtraining and under recovery if part of your profession includes exercising multiple times throughout the day? So this is, you know, this is, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she does, she teaches silks and stuff. And so she's constantly climbing these things. And you know, the, when you practice things on a regular basis, the body has an amazing. Yeah, it'll get adapted. It has an amazing capacity for workload. Amazing. And I know, look, I pulled this story a long time ago. I'm gonna tell it again. I remember when I was, I think I was like 15 or 16 years old. So maybe two years or three years of consistent weight training. You know, I thought I was pretty strong or whatever. And in the summertime, my dad would take me to work with him. This particular summer, my grandfather from Sicily came to visit. And my grandfather at the time is, you know, let's see, I'm 60, he's like 67 or something like that at the time. And you know, he's worked hard his entire life since he was a child, grew up very, very poor. So he shows up and you know, my dad's like, I got to go to work. And my grandfather's like, well, I ain't staying home. I'm coming to work with you. So my dad had, you know, no choice but to bring him. So he brought his 60-something-year-old, you know, old Sicilian dad with him. And so my job as a kid was, you know, my dad was a, he did the marble and the tile and the granite work, all the stuff that needed skill and measurements and all that stuff. And he'd float the floors and do all that stuff. My job was the grunt work. Like I grabbed the cement. I mixed the cement with the sand. I bring in the buckets. I bring the empty buckets out. I refill them. And that was basically my job, right? Cause I didn't have all the skills. So one of the things I had to do was mix cement. And if you've ever mixed mud before by hand, it's a big tub. It's a huge, huge tub. Top three worst jobs I've ever had. It's a huge tub. You throw in sand, then you throw in the cement and then you add water and then you mix it with like a hoe. Big-ass shovel. It looks like a hoe, right? I do. And you mix one side and then you go to the other side. You mix the other side and you go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Mud is heavy. It's dense. It's a very laborious, exhaustive job. So good for all kids that do this job. I used to do it. Every teenage boy should have to do this. All the time in the weird barrel, I used to pour it in. Builds fucking character. All those and shit. So it's hot as fuck outside. It was summertime, obviously, cause I'm out of school. I'm, here I am, my poor old grandfather who looks old. He looks older than his age. Cause again, he's been working since he was probably five, right? So here he is. And he's like, oh, I'm gonna help you mix cement. So I'm like, okay. I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna make sure he's okay doing this, cause he looks like an old man or whatever. So he stands on one side of the tub. I stand on the other side of the tub. I start mixing. And when I'm done, I tip it over to him, the hoe over to him. And then it's his side, his turn. And so we go back and forth. This son of a bitch, man, was going and going and going and going. And it got to the point where now I'm like, I am not stopping. Hell no, I'm not stopping. He's 60 something year old old man. No way in hell I'm gonna let this guy like out work me. So we're going back and forth. There's a freaking cooler of water that's like in the shade, like 12 feet away. And I'm watching it, but we're still mixing. We're carrying buckets of cement. We're mixing. And he kicked my ass at it. He absolutely kicked my ass. And the reason why he kicked my ass is that guy has been doing shit like that since he was a child nonstop. His body has acclimated and adapted to this incredible work volume. And your body will do this too, with what you're doing. I think the key is to manage the intensity of why you're doing this. Like if you max your body out every time you do these activities, because that'll move as your capacity goes up, the ability to max yourself up will come up. And if you keep pushing your body, then you're gonna over train. But if you manage your intensity and you do this over a long period of time, who you could build incredible workload. Like incredible. Have you guys worked with construction workers? Yeah, of course. Yeah. I mean, just the grip strength alone, you know, with most construction workers I've worked with is unreal. But yeah, like you said, it's a matter of like, and they find different ways and techniques doing the same job every time to make it more efficient. And that's one thing I took away from when I was doing construction was how effective and efficient and timely that they could finish projects versus me sloppily like putting my strategy together and fucking, you know, like sawn through shit and like starting over again. And you know, like the very like methodical and the thing about experience is it brings those things out. Like so that efficiency. So yeah, finding that way to more effectively go through those movements and like bring down your intensity a little bit. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Now would you guys say that building this work capacity though is hinders your ability to change your body composition? I think it contributes. I think it actually benefit you. Oh, you think it benefits you? Oh yeah. Oh, that's interesting. I think it can make it more challenging. Oh, I think you take somebody, if you take somebody and you train them properly and they have good diet, but then on top of that, they're adapted to this incredible workload where they work with their hands and they're active. You're dealing with somebody who at some, we'll be able to handle more in the gym, recover better and feel better. The problem I see with a lot of- I disagree. I disagree. I think somebody that's built a lot of work capacity and we could use silks, we could use a football player, we could use a mailman who walks around all day long for his job. I think what happens is they become so adapted for moving so much that when, and for the amount of calories they're probably consuming that when you try to change body composition by maybe adding resistance training and doing this, sure the body might see some sort of change beginning because it's a new adaptation. But because their bodies have adapted to such a high work capacity, that it's harder to manipulate their body composition in comparison to somebody who is like completely green- Well, you're not gonna throw a bunch of cardio on them. No. You know, you're not gonna say- No, they have to be a totally different stimulus for their body to react to. You have to be smart with the diet and the training. I'm not gonna take somebody who works eight hours a day with their hands and wants to lose weight. I'm gonna do some weights with them like I normally would and I'm gonna watch their diet but I'm not gonna say go do another 30 minutes of cardio, because that's stupid. You're already moving eight hours a day. But no, man. I mean, let me tell you something. I've been around these Russian judo players who have a work capacity that makes you think that they're not human. Literally, they would come in and train for two or three hours, you know, judo-jujitsu, then they'd go lift weights and then they'd come back and do it again and nobody's sore, everybody's fresh but they've been training like that since they were, you know, five years old. The capacity that you can build on your body is just insane. You just have to manage intensity. And here's the other thing too that I think is extremely important for people who are active throughout the day is if you need to learn anything, it's learn how to prevent muscle imbalances and learn how to work on mobility and prevent overuse injuries. Because whatever the activity is that you do a lot of, it's probably the same type of activity throughout the day. So if you're climbing a lot, you're doing a lot of overhead pulling, okay? So you're probably gonna have imbalances in your shoulders and your scapula. You probably need to work on stuff with your wrist and your hands from all the gripping. So we need to work on mobility there, maybe some mild fascial release to loosen some stuff up. If you're, you know, depends on what your job is, right? Those repetitive movements create these patterns that can, I think if you know how to offset those, I think you're gonna do way better. Yeah, cause you see a lot of repetitive exercise injury. Yes. It'd be interesting for me to see what she's kind of burning on a daily basis, like calorie wise, like for all the workload that she's doing and how much she's consuming too. Because the first thing that comes to mind when I think of a question like this and I try and picture this person and maybe some of the challenges they have, reminds me of like when I used to teach like group X instructors. So I trained a lot of aerobics instructors. Yeah, and they teach four or five classes in a day. And yet they'd be overweight. And they'd be like, Adam, I don't get it. Like I teach these classes, I'm sweating my ass off for three, four hours a day. And I lift weights and I eat pretty good. I don't understand why I can't change my body. And because their body has been adapted to this such a high level of work capacity and they were eating such low of calories that, you know, for me to add some resistance training or maybe to adjust their calories by four or 500 calories, it just wasn't enough for their body. They had created such a discrepancy between the two that they needed to really reset everything. They actually needed to like, if I really wanted to help these people out, we had to slowly reverse diet them for a very long time in introducing more calories or I had to convince them to teach less classes or take it easy in these classes. So you know why that's a little different? So, and I've worked the same exact, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've had the same exact clients. The difference is when you're a construction worker or when you're, you know, something that requires lots of movement with labor or whatever, they're not doing it for a workout. They're not doing it to try and be high energy and burn more calories. What they're literally doing is you're trying to be efficient. You're trying to be efficient. If you ever watch a really, really seasoned, you know, construction worker or, you know, tile setter or plumber or whatever, the way they move and stuff is, they're not there to try and sweat and stuff. When you're teaching classes, a lot of those aerobics instructors are doing the class with the class and they're trying to like push themselves, especially when they want to lose weight. I've had spin instructors telling me like, oh, I do three spin classes a day. And I'm like, what do you mean you do three? Oh, I teach them. I'm like, are you teaching them or are you doing? Well, no, I'm doing them too because I want to burn calories. And you know that they're pushing their body the entire time. They're not monitoring or, you know, that intensity. I think you have to watch your intensity. If you're doing that much activity, you can't be going hard. Well, that's what, and even if you're not going like, because no matter how do you draw it up, like climbing up on silks is hard. You know what I'm saying? Like, so maybe it's not hard for her because she's been doing it her whole life for everything, but I would really like to see how much, what her output looks like. Her output could potentially be so high. And I know, I know her, so I know she. Well, I'm sure her body stopped burning tons of calories doing it by this point. Right. So that's, so, you know, I don't know. I have, I have different theories on this than I think you guys do. I just feel like, and it really depends on what her goal is because if you're just trying to prevent overtraining under recovery, if that has nothing to do with body composition then my points matter nothing. Like what I'm bringing to the table has to do with changing your body composition, not really to do with recovering and building more muscle. Now I think building a lot of muscle, I think you may be right in that case because your body's still trying to stay efficient for that job, right? So I could see how that would, it may be hard to build tons and tons of muscle. For sure. You know, I could see that for sure because your body's trying to stay efficient at this thing that you do all day long and lots of muscle is not efficient. And also burn a lot of fat, right? If she's, if she's got her body adapted to a moderate 1300 to 1800 calorie range and yet she's moving all day long, climbing silks, that body should be burning 2500, 3000 calories minimum a day, right? Well, it just makes me think of, you know, like Fedor, you know, like just his body physique, you know, but like he's like so fucking conditioned and powerful and explosive and everything, but you'd never guess based on looking at his body, but it's just like he's so well adapted to this crazy like demand that, you know, it is like a composition thing would be challenging. Next up is Mikey's life. If someone is in poor health mentally and physically, which should be addressed first and why? Wow. You know, man, that is, you know, that's a hard one. Yeah, it is hard and you can, I could debate it either way. I really could. I mean, I can- I'm going mental. It seems obvious to do that, but a lot of times the roadblock that's causing people is not moving. Yeah. Is the physical, not only the not moving piece, also what they're looking at every single day in the mirror is also causing them to be depressed and moving in the right direction physically could potentially start to change their mindset. So yeah, God, that's it. You know, I think here's the thing. I don't think you can separate the two. Yeah, I agree. That I agree with for sure. Yeah, I mean, the human organism is one organism. And we do this. We separate it out because we want to learn about each particular area and function. And it's a great way to learn deep, deep knowledge about specific things. But then we also create this illusion that they're all separate. Like there's a physical and a mental aspect. You can't really separate the two now. They both bleed into each other. Yeah, and now, what do you mean by, do you just focus on mentally before physically or vice versa? Does that mean that before we work out, we go to therapy and we talk about what we're trying to do versus we physically move? You're just self-assessed. Like you try and identify where this is coming from. If the options are, do we go to therapy first before we go work out or do we work out first before we do therapy? Then I'm gonna make the argument that the physical activity should be first and here's why. It's clean cut, it's clear, it's black and white, and it's basic and it's easy. It's something you can do right away. I could take somebody who's got like a bad body, like really, really poor, you know, self-image, body image issues or whatever. And I could have them move the right way and train them and it opens them up for the mental aspect a little easier. Whereas the other way around might be a little bit more challenging to work with. I've seen a lot of mental change through physical change, a lot, and it never happens, one never happens without the other, you know? So it's a very, very tough question, but they're not separate, you know? Changing your body changes your mind as well. Remember, your mind connects to your body. That's what gives you the feedback from the world. How you're moving, what you're doing when you're moving. Of course, the way you view yourself, that's a mental thing, but it's also a physical thing. Look at pain, look how we manage pain. Try and separate the physical sensation of pain from your feelings about the pain. Like good luck. Well, it's much harder to break that positive feedback loop, like mentally versus, you know, if it's attached to like movement in your body and do, like it just seems to me that, like interrupting that process by just moving and doing things differently will help to kind of break you out of that cycle. Yeah, you know, here's an example. Let's say you have a friend that's depressed. Like, oh my God, dude, I'm so depressed right now. Something very difficult to happen. You're trying to talk to them, but it's hard for them to open up. It's easy for me to be like, let's go on a walk. You don't have to talk, let's just go on a walk. And then we do the physical aspect. You know what ends up happening, typically from the physical piece? The mental starts to come out. The emotional stuff starts to come up. I've noticed that too with clients. Yeah, they're a lot more receptive to talking about their life and like what's going on in their life when you bring them outside of like an environment where it's confined. You let them just like move and yeah, like it just naturally kind of comes out. They just did a study at a Texas school where they were trying to solve the ADHD and ADD problem. I posted it in the forum at the school because so many kids were being prescribed these drugs. And so you know what the school did? They tripled recess. So instead of recess being one 20 minute thing, they did three 20 minute recesses. You know what the results were? Oh, that'd be awesome. Far better than the medication. Oh, they basically say that they cured ADD and ADHD in their school from tripling the activity level. And yeah, what's the first thing to get cut out? You know, like any sort of physical activity or like extracurricular activity? Well, didn't you read a study a long time ago on the show that just talked about like they had done where they had had kids where like every hour they gave them like a five or 10 minute exercise and then they did something like that. So yeah, Dr. Ed Thomas, which I still really wanna get on the show. He's hard to get a hold of, but he's out in Iowa. They implemented these short breaks where they would take with like very specific exercises that help to get you into extension, that get you in those certain poses where you create better postural supporting type movements and their academic, the academic side of it actually went up substantially. So they're performing, they're outperforming like any of the surrounding states because they just started to do this one simple thing. Well, it's like that video that documentary we were watching was at Magic Pills and we were watching it. And the one lady who says like, they wanted her son to go on it. And she's like, absolutely not. I just took his ass to the park and ran him for fucking three hours every night. He was just fine. Yep, yep, yep. He made it through just, you're right, you know what I'm saying? Just work his ass out a little bit. Yeah, I think, I mean, you can't disconnect the two, I guess. I also think we look at our physical state. It's so weird the way we evaluate ourselves or feel sorry for ourselves or hate on ourselves when we look at it. The mirror is just a reflection of how you've been taking care of yourself. That's all it is, just feedback. Just another feedback mechanism. I look at myself and I see where I'm currently at right now and it's not, oh, poor me, this happened and oh, this show's shitty for me, this happened. It's just like, well, you know, this is the, I've made it, I have all these other things in my life. I've got my partner and I've got work and I've got school and I've got family and I've got all these things. But I've just made a higher priority than I've made taking care of my health and myself. It's that fucking simple. And I'm staring at the mirror across from me and it's reflecting that. Well, and you see, like you said in the beginning, like it's intertwined because like, you know, when you smile more, like how that affects you emotionally. And vice versa, when you have slouched posture and you don't give any eye contact with people, like what that tends to do, it perpetuates this feeling inside you that you feel depressed. It's all feedback. So when you're in certain positions or certain facial expressions or breathing patterns, your brain perceives it as stress or happiness or calmness. And so then it feeds it, it feeds it into and it starts to activate other systems in the body, hormones and chemicals that prepare you for, you know, what this particular feedback that you're giving it. So it's this feedback loop and it can start in the mind, but it can start in the physical. By the way, this is a fact. So they did a study on women who got Botox to get rid of their frown wrinkles. Yeah, I remember this. And their rates of depression dropped because they couldn't frown as much. Now they also lost empathy points. So they also tested them on empathy and they lost some of that because you need to be able to feel things yourself in order to empathize with people. But, and they did another one where they'd have people put up, and they didn't even tell people to smile because some scientists said, oh, maybe some of these studies that show when people try to smile, it makes them happy, it's because they know they're trying to smile. So they're like, how can we get people to smile without telling them to smile? So they said, okay, hold a pencil in between your teeth so they had to kind of hold it like this and it forces you to smile and then they still tested them. And sure enough, people felt happier and felt, so there's that feedback. It's crazy, man. Yeah, it's crazy. There's all that feed. You can't separate the two, it's all the same. Next one is from DFMMA law. Will missing breakfast affect your progress if you're trying to gain muscle or is it just your total food intake for the entire day that matters? It's largely, I'd say, the vast majority, like 98% your total food intake for the entire day that matters. Now that one or 2% that we're talking about, we could look at studies that show that, you know, maximizing protein synthesis, if you eat every maybe six hours, is probably ideal. And if you skip a meal too consistently, your cortisol may be a little elevated and all these other things. Splitting hairs. But yeah, you're splitting hairs. Splitting hairs at the end of the day, like where this becomes important, like, and this is interesting that we're doing this question right now too because one of the meals that I wasn't eating was breakfast during this whole time. So I was skipping breakfast till one or two o'clock in the afternoon. It was my first meal and that's completely changed. So now every morning I just get up. And a lot of that is just because of my day. In order to hit the caloric intake that I need to hit, you know, I'm trying to gain right now. I'm putting emphasis on increasing my carbohydrates. I just need to get that meal in in order to hit that calorie intake. Now, if I didn't, could I put all my calories towards you in the night and be just fine? Absolutely, there's nothing wrong with that. But where I find this is an issue for people is if you have, again, kind of like this ectomorph type of body type and you struggle with putting size on, it's less of that you struggle with the putting the size on. It's that you probably are not getting adequate calories every single day in order to promote growth. And so that person, I would say, yeah, maybe get your breakfast, but as far as the whole breakfast thing and having to get that and what Sal was talking about, you're talking about splitting hairs is a difference. Yeah, you know who pushes the whole, like breakfast is the most important meal of the day? The breakfast food industry. There's a reason why breakfast, lunch, and dinner have particular foods. Post and general meals. Yeah, I mean, to create the ritual of breakfast, that ritual is, there's a lot of people that profit from that. And it's funny because when I, I remember when we were kids, remember the commercials? Two scoops, two dogs, brand. Yeah, I remember they would show cereal. Two scoops coming back again. Do you remember at the end of every cereal commercial, what would it say? It's part of a balance. Part of balanced breakfast. And what would it show the breakfast to be? A glass of orange juice. All sugar. It was always a glass of orange juice. A bowl of cereal. And some toast. A slice of toast. A slice of toast. Who the fuck came up with this? All car, car, car, car, car. Who the fuck came up with this? The sugar. This was the, and that, and non-fat milk. And how many, how many kids from like 1980 to fucking 2000 were probably eating exactly that? Bro, how many parents? Yeah, how many parents fed their kids some toast, some cereal, and some orange juice to start with. Every single morning. Non-fat milk. So easy. It was. I don't really wonder why diabetes. Yeah. Oh my God. You're hungry? Just throw it in the bowl. Let's start your day off with some insulin resistance. Literally, I don't care what brand of cereal it was, I'm gonna pull up some old-ass commercials. You know it's funny. And at the end, it was the same breakfast. Bola cereal, non-fat milk. It would say on it. And he had some crazy cracked-out cartoon character. It would literally say, it would say on the carton, non-fat milk. Every commercial was the same. Bola cereal, one or two slices of toast. I can't remember. And a glass of orange juice. And you knew it was orange juice because it would always be an orange. Right. Next to the orange juice every single time. You know what? I think they've even changed that now. They don't even say balanced breakfast. They say like... It's part of a balanced breakfast. Part of your breakfast, part of the start of the day, or like something like that. It's not even like part of balancing anything. It's just like, it's a breakfast. Yeah, here it is. You know something's fucked up when the FDA would consider, you know, frosted flakes healthier than avocado. Because an avocado's got so much fat in it. Oh my God. I just wanted to put in here what two pieces of toast a bowl of cereal. With non-fat milk. A bowl of cereal. Yeah, yeah. A glass of orange juice. Right, right. We'll go... Non-fat or low? What do you think people... It was always non-fat. Yeah. The commercial always had... The fat was the devil. By the way, it's more sugar in it, right? So... It's just pure... All lactose. It's just sugar and some protein. You guys ready for this? Yeah. Are you ready for macros? Okay. So I put four cups because that's probably what the size of the bowl that I would have. Most people don't... By the way, if you've never done this before, everybody should do this at least one time. Your standard, like, small bowl that... Oh my God, yeah. That you have of cereal is normally like anywhere between three to four cups worth of cereal. So if you've never done that before, measure your cereal sometime. Is that what they're saying is the standard size? Like when they're on the box, like, you know... Oh, the standard serving? The standard serving is nowhere near what you... Two cups, right? Dude, this is 190 grams of carbohydrates. That's as much as I eat all day. Look, look. 88 grams of sugar. Look at the picture. 88 grams of sugar. That's exactly what I put in there. Look at the picture. That's exactly what I put in there. Oh, I'm sorry, I messed up. Okay, here it is. Bowl of cereal with some berries in it. That's right, they always throw berries in that. Oh, berries, yeah, yeah. Satellutes, get your antioxidants. Then there's two slices of toast with a pat of margarine. It was not butter, it was margarine because butter's too high in cholesterol and fat. Then there'll be another glass of milk and a glass of orange juice. Who do you think is working together for this commercial? I mean, you better be working in a coal mine. Yeah, no. Yeah. Who do you think's working together? You have the grain industry, like wheat and corn and soy. Then you have milk. And the dairy. And yeah, and they're all working together to create this. Look at every single one. Isn't that weird? Total. Isn't that crazy? It is. Remember Special K, you had to try and get lean. And the irony, when I started helping somebody out and I actually assessed their diet and I look at their sugars, one of the first places I looked to eliminate, right? And most people, look at that dunk. I didn't even know Dunkin' O's was a thing. That's hell of a thing. Dunkin' O's? Tim Dunkin' O's. Tim Dunkin' O's is his own cereal. Wow. Speaking of basketball, what's the name go to the Lakers? Oh, dude, how do we not bring that up? I'm surprised you fuckers didn't do that. I was waiting for you to wait into your articles. You know what's funny? Yeah, exactly. We went in the science direction. How crazy is that LeBron James going over to the Lakers? I called him, bro. No, you didn't. I knew. Because he made a mistake. I was like, how funny is that that South Coast said, oh, does he play for the Lakers? Well, I was just predicting. You were from the future. South Stradamos. Listen, breakfast is not that important. You could totally skip. Here's what's important. If you understand how to read your body and listen to your body, do what makes you feel best. Because if eating breakfast in the morning makes you feel like shit and sluggish and all that stuff, skipping it will probably benefit your gains. Is the cereal industry still growing, shrinking, staying the same? What is it? What's it doing? I don't know. That's a good question. It's got to be shrinking. Well, again, this is us in our little bubble. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Like I think when you think of yourself, like I I love cereal. All I know is Lucky Charms has got that. Did I eat cereal into my 20s for sure? Bro, parents love cereal because before cereal, parents used to cook breakfast. Yeah, moms had to make eggs. You made you had to cook breakfast. That's fucking hard. And then they're like, just give them all like shit. Cereal is a $54 billion industry. Is it by 2025? Is it going up or down? That's what I want to know. Oh, it's. I think it's going up. But it depends what's in there. I wonder if. What do you mean? Well, what cereals are growing is what I'd like to see, not just breakfast cereal. Like what if it's like. Oh, well, I think. Macadamia nuts, you know. No, what's hot now is like still staying in the cereal space is now everyone's trying to make that the healthy looking cereal. You know what I'm saying? Make it like, oh, this is lower sugar or this is more fiber or this is. So back in the 80s and 90s, what was considered healthy was super high fiber, high carb, super, super low fat. And and then some of them were like, oh, we're going to try and go low sugar too. So what you would get would be basically flakes of bran or. Yeah. And it was I want to know who was eating those big ass like shredded wheat without sugar without the frosting on it. It was just without any of it. Just a big ass frosted mini wheat. It's one of my favorites. No, no, no, not frosted. These were. I felt I literally felt like like a cow or like a horse or something. It gives so much eating hay. It gives you so much bulk to your stool that you will take a mammoth nine pound ship because I mean, it's all fiber. Yeah, I mean, just cleans the cleans you right out. I remember when I was a kid, I'd watch the commercial with big like broom. What was that cereal? They look like little pellets and they were like little brand pellets. Newture. Corn nuts. Oh, no, grape nuts. Grape nuts. Yes. I thought grape nuts. Look up grape nuts, Doug, for me. I want to see what it looks like. So high calorie. My grandpa used to have those and like put it in the microwave and eat it. Bro, I used to think it would. I watched the commercial. I'm like, that looks good. I beg my mom, buy me grape nuts. I didn't know that was a flavorless fucking just fiber bomb. It's terrible. Tana, you're eating BBs. It's like rabbit food. Dude, I ate a bowl of it. And I remember I couldn't breathe because my stomach was so concrete. Dude, you know how dense it is? You know how dense it is? I used to use it to bulk. Because it's just so dense. Oh, yeah. I mean, you want to see calories ramp up real quick. Pour a bottle or a bowl of fucking grape nuts because they are so dense. You pour in, you fill up one full bowl. That's like four cups worth that shit. Four cups of that stuff. You're talking about a 1,000 calorie bowl. Seriously, damn, dude. Now, what is grape nuts made with? It's just whole grain wheat flour, malted barley flour, isolated soy protein, salt, whole grain barley flour. Just packed with information. Malt extract and dried yeast. Here you go, Adam, psoriasis. This is, yeah. This is a gluten bomb. It is a gluten bomb. This is a gluten atom bomb. Half a cup of grape nuts is 150 calories, 19 grams. You know what sold me? Nine grams of protein on it. Yeah, of course. Nine grams. What, you mean I could have cereal and pick up some protein? Oh, man. Here was my bulk. My standard bulk was, well, I went whole milk. You went whole milk, too, right? Yeah. OK, I think. At least you did that, right? I would do something right. I would do a punch bowl with Cheerios, just because I could eat a lot of them. So I'd do a punch bowl of Cheerios. I would do between 10 to 12 scrambled eggs on top of it. Oh, my God. And then I'd throw down some more milk on top of it. And now I can't have most of those foods. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I had, speaking of dairy, I had, well, it's not dairy. It's non-dairy. So somebody who loves ice cream like I do, I found whole foods, they have an almond milk ice cream. Oh, I've had it. So good. Yeah, you've had it? Almond milk ice cream. Dude, I was, you know. They have almond milk and then coconut, of course, coconut milk ice cream. Yeah, I've had that. It was 365 is the brand. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, 365. It's out whole foods. And I had almond milk, mint chocolate chip, non-dairy frozen dessert. The whole thing. A lot of sugar in there, though, yeah. No. Really? No, not bad at all. Wow. Yeah, no, not at all. For not for, let's see here, I thought I put it in. I could tell you the exact if I put it in my fat secret. I thought I did. But it's, I mean, comparison, right? Well, you're going to compare it to like Ben and Jerry's. Yeah, so like that size of Ben and Jerry's is a 1,600 calorie, you know, pint or whatever of ice cream. I'll tell you what. That was only 600. What blew me away that you introduced me to was the cocoa whip. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I knew that. You know why it blows me away? Because it's nothing. Yeah. There's nothing in it. I literally, that is. If I'm going to have a dessert, that's what I have. Me and Courtney have like strawberries, blueberries, and that. That's it. Bro, you eat a big, little bunch of it, like 50 calories. Dude, holy shit. I have that to a science, dude. Literally, for a period of time, we haven't done a little cool recipe giveaway for people to tell you guys to do this. So you take the cocoa whip that Sal's talking about, which you can get at like sprouts or your. Whole foods. Does whole foods have them? Whole foods has them. OK, so whole foods has a couple of your. Even Knob Hill has it, or Rayleigh's, I guess. Knob Hill does have it, yeah. So it's, you know, I take a cup to two cups of the cocoa whip. I put a quarter cup of blueberries, four or five sliced up strawberries, sprinkle flaxseed over it, and drizzle like a teaspoon of honey over the top of that thing. Ooh. It's so good. Dude, look at this. Two tablespoons. OK, so two tablespoons, 30 calories. Yeah, it's nothing. It's like it's made out of air. You can literally eat the whole thing, and you're only going to consume like 400-something calories. Are you sure about that? Yeah, yeah. It's 22 servings in the container. Yeah, so 22. What's 22 times 30? 600 something. Wow, really? Yeah, 660. Yeah, for the whole thing. You're not going to eat that whole thing, either. I think the most I've ever had is. Challenge accepted. I've ate half of it. Half of it's a big serving. It is. It's a big serving. Yeah, if you want a huge serving, you eat half of it, but 300 servings. So you know what I did? What? As I took cocoa whip, and I took a bunch of it, and I put it in a bowl, and then I sprinkled the chocolate-flavored Organifi protein, and I mix it in, mix it in, mix it in. It takes a while, and it becomes a little bit more liquid. Then you throw it back in the freezer, let it go hard. Now you have a high-protein cocoa whip dessert. You basically made your own ice cream. I did. You've been holding on on that. I did, I did. The recipe for me. It's, well, it's simple. I'm embarrassed sometimes to introduce my recipes, because it's like, hey, guys, you know what I like to do? I mean, that would have been a good- I like to put protein powder and oatmeal, you know? That would have been a good Organifi- No one's ever done it. Well, I just did it. So there you go. At the end. There it is. Hey, check this out. If you go to mindpumpfree.com, we have a bunch of free guides on there. 12, I believe. I believe there's 12 guides on there. How to build your legs, how to build your calves, how to build your chest, how to get a flat tummy, how to do high-intensity interval training properly. They're awesome and they're free. Mindpumpfree.com. Thank you for listening to Mindpump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mindpumpmedia.com. 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