 As women, sometimes we have to start over. Our next guest knows this all too well. Stay tuned for more Every Way Woman. Welcome back to Every Way Woman. So we celebrate the trail blazers and today we welcome Robin to the show, a woman who has truly perfected the art of redefining herself and restarting at any age. Welcome. So I really want to talk to you about what it was like to reinvent yourself. I think at the time you don't think about it or you shouldn't think too closely about it. You just do what seems natural. You follow whatever path is sort of outlined for you without trying to take too much control. So let's rewind back to what your path was. Let's talk about the crossroads you were at in your life. Okay, I was a prison guard in Mailberry. You are a tough blonde. I am a tough cookie, which you find you don't want to do for your entire life or I didn't. No, of course. And I thought it would be fun to write. So I was trying to think how I could get into advertising from prison guarding and it's not sort of one of those natural career paths. So I got a job with a temporary office service that sent people in when somebody was sick. So you worked your way through this transition, but were you scared? No, I wasn't because at that time I was fairly young and I didn't think much about it. Okay, so I worked for this service and I only went to advertising agencies and sort of got to know it gently, you know, by being at the office. And this wasn't the first time you've restarted or reinvented. I mean, you fast forwarded a couple times even as even as a mother, your children grew out of the nest. Now you have to reinvent yourself, not as a mother, but as a woman again, as Robin. That's true. And that that took a little more thought because you're used to being Jesse's mom or Robert's mom and suddenly you're Robin again. And you're not quite sure how to do that anymore. It's been a while. So I think the biggest thing is to talk to other women and to talk to everybody really. And that's why you're here. There's women here. And you know, other women are so smart and they always seem to know different things from you. And so you get to know, you know, you feel like some women are afraid to ask. I think they are. And I think that's a mistake. Women love to talk or any woman I know loves to talk. I like to talk. I mean, at the grocery store, wherever you are at school, picking up your kids, if that's what you're doing, talk to the other women, talk to everybody. At that time, when you were transitioning your life and you said that you have to talk to other women, what was one thing that someone told you that still sticks with you today? Well, when I was finally got my green card down here and I'd been out advertising long enough that that wasn't going to work for me anymore, another woman at the school said, I think Americans hiring flight attendants. Why don't you try that? Yeah. And I thought, how old were you at this point if you don't mind sharing? I was 45 when I started to be a flight attendant. And I wasn't. Most people would consider that maybe even too late in life to restart a career. A little long in the tooth. But flight attendants aren't quite what we used to picture them when you were weighed every day and you had to be single. Well, it's really interesting though, because at 45, you were willing to step into a position where it was off. It was adventure time. You weren't staying at home anymore. You were all over the world. And that was part of it, that I think you have to look on life as an adventure. Every decision you make is an adventure. And I think you have to realize nothing is final. If I become a flight attendant and I loathed it, I would have quit and found something I like better because we're allowed to do that. We can find what makes us happy, but not if we're afraid to make a jump ever. You know, I even find in my life, as I'm approaching, you know, my later 20s. Oh my God. I know. I know. But I'm afraid to, I'm almost afraid to make that choice or make that decision and say, you know what, maybe the decision I made when I was in my younger 20s isn't going to work for me in my 30s. And being okay with that and settling with that, I almost feel like I'm letting myself down. There's very few decisions you can make that are going to be final. You can change your mind. You can go back and try something else. And I think that's the biggest lesson to learn. Don't be afraid of taking a jump into the unknown just because you're afraid that you're never going to be able to fix it if it's wrong. But were you afraid? I don't think so. No. I don't think I was afraid. Nervous, maybe. Nervous. That's fair. Yeah. But I'm afraid because, you know, I have friends. I have a family. If it didn't work out, I would have to try something else. That's all. You know, I have a question. I know someone who is in her 50s and she's very close to me. And you know, her kids are all done with school. They have jobs. They have their own families. They're out of the house. And it's just a woman and her husband. But they're even having problems now within their marriage. And I think it's because, and tell me what your thoughts are on this. I think it's because she is almost depressed about her life right now. She's in this bubble where she's like, what next? What now? My kids are gone. They have their own lives. Is my life over? Did you ever feel like that? Or could you relate to that? Because I was working when my kids left home and, you know. But what would you say to that woman? They're still very active in my life. I think, first of all, get a dog. Second of all, maybe go back to school. Find something. Follow her passion. Don't look for something where you can make a lot of money or just something that'll make her happy. What am I interested in? Oh, I'm interested in art. I'll go to art school for a while. You know, something like that. Well, thank you for inspiring us and for inspiring all of you out there. We'll be right back for more Every White Woman. Stay tuned.