 Oddly enough, due to McCain, I know where Wasil is. That's what I said the first time Amos told me that I was like, oh, yeah, I know where that is. I've heard, I've heard a lot about it. She certainly put it on the map. Yeah. You know, if you look through my window, you cannot see Russia. What if you stand up on the roof? Maybe if you look like really hard, you can. Yeah, yeah. You should get a map of Russia and just tape it to one of your windows. That's actually not a bad idea. That that will be there next time we do the show. Oh, my goodness. All right. So Patrick, you saw my email about the order of events for the discussion. Oh, yeah. Cool. All right. I mean, I'm going to keep the 8K stuff short because it basically comes down to LG and Samsung continue their pissing contest at the high end by releasing a useless product that no one needs because there is no content for it. That's like, if you're wondering what 8K is, yeah, yeah. By all means, buy an 8K television because you your self-esteem is based on. Yeah, because if you have enough money to consider buying an 8K television, why not? Yeah. You know, I'd like to say something more generous than that, but that's really about as kind as I can get. No, that's the conversation is like, no, folks, not yet, but hang in there. I mean, I didn't think when the 8K TV is like 108 inch wide 8K TV, when I was in Korea, you know, curved everything else with beautiful picture. But again, nothing else, unless you're just going to have that picture framed on your wall, there's nothing else to see on it. It's at the eagle soaring in Panda's fornicating stage, is what a friend of mine used to call it, because you at this one point in the early days of like, ACTV, there would always be this one and you'd look at the feathers moving on the very wingtips of the eagle and be like, wow. And then we cut to Panda's doing something or, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They turned that into Discovery HD Theatre. It was one of the first six channels that went live on Direct TV HD. And I was like, these are all the demo videos. They just put them on one channel. I will never forget the conversation. What are you doing, Tom? I'm I'm watching soccer. I didn't know you were a soccer fan. I'm not, but I'm watching this TV HD. So freaking gorgeous. And the stripes on the shoes. That was in that house, actually, I think. That's why I still remember that. I'm not, but I can see the stripes on the shoes and the braids of grass. And this is amazing. Beautiful. And I had hockey, too, like, which which I am somewhat of a fan of hockey, but man, the ice is so so it looks so good. Why doesn't it look that good anymore? And we're just so used to it now. Possibly, I think also at one point they were really working incredibly hard to do all full awesomeness and now we're just pressing it, not really getting it on its ass. They're compressing everything so far now to push so much out there at the time. Well, 265. And if we squeeze it beyond the engineering spec it was built for, we can fit another channel that 98 percent of the cable TV population doesn't. It's time for DIY, the cabinet's channel. All cabinets, 24 hours a day. This is alarmingly close to the dog poop. Dog poop less than the dog poop channel lesson. Well, I'm sure everyone at Dragon Con is having fun. Good for them. Screw Dragon Con. We're having way more fun here at not at Dragon Con. Con. At Wasilicon. What's the virtual? Virtual Wasilicon, except for Amos, who's actually there. Suddenly, I'm hearing suddenly I'm hearing the hunt for Red October. I'm hearing, oh, my God, Scottish actor used to be Bond. Sean Connery. I'm hearing Sean Connery doing a Russian accent doing, you know, where are the vessels in Alameda? Alameda, where are the nuclear vessels? All right, y'all ready? Oh, sure. Ms. Lane, may I ask you to read line three? Oh, she's not here. So we probably shouldn't really mind that. Well, I'm going to pour some coffee while we're waiting. That's don't bring her back instantly. Yeah, exactly. It's like waiting for a bus. Light a cigarette and the bus comes. All right. There she is. Hello. Please. She goes back. Hey, guys. Hey, Sarah. I don't know what's going on. It's amazing how that works. Patrick was like, if I get up and get coffee, she'll come back. Bam. I don't know. I thought I'd, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what's going on with this camera. Well, you're good for now. Yeah. OK. Shall we shall we begin? We shall. Would you read line three, please? You talking to me? Me as I am. OK. Here we go. Three, two. Thanks to everyone who supports Daily Tech News show directly to find out more. Head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, August 30th, 20 or 31st, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And I don't know what day it is, either, Tom, from Studio Feline. I'm Sarah Lane. I think it's the last day of August, which makes it the 31st. And I believe I'm in a kitchen in Alameda, California. I'm Patrick Norton. Ah, the kitchen debates that we'll be having with Patrick Norton later in the show. You need 8K, Tom. Do I? Do I? We'll find out. Our producer, Anthony Limos, is in for Roger Chang, who's out with a baby. How's it going, Amos? I clearly don't know what day it is. It's all good. It's all good. We're it's Friday. We're just going to have some fun. We're going to talk about rollable experimental screens and 8K televisions. And we'll start with a few tech things you should know. Rebecca Black hasn't. Nah, I'm just kidding. Mozilla said that Thursday, Firefox will block third-party tracking by default, as well as combat fingerprinting, which tracks people by device data such as OS and browser versions. Fusure versions of Firefox will prevent websites from injecting code to mine cryptocurrency. However, Mozilla didn't offer details on how any of the blocking would actually work. The Windows update, formerly known as Redstone 5 or 1809, is now officially called Windows 10 October 2018 Update. Oh, it's such a good name. We here at Daily Tech News Show are certainly not going to criticize a literal name like that. It includes the first feature for the Your Phone app on Windows, a cloud clipboard, machine learning for deciding when to push updates, support for more AR experiences, and much, much more. Apple told developers that all apps, including ones in testing, must now have a privacy policy by October 3. Also, the company notes that once submitted, the policy cannot be changed until a new version of the app is submitted. All right, let's talk about Codex. Qualcomm announced the aptX. I don't know how to pronounce this properly. I don't know. aptX. Yeah, aptX, OK. I've been dealing with aptX since before Qualcomm bought it, I assure you. Thank you. It's the aptX adaptive codec for high-quality audio over Bluetooth, delivers 24-bit audio and adjusts to external interference while providing better video sync, they say. It'll become available in September and incorporate it into Bluetooth 5. So Patrick, exciting that it's delivering or no? So Bluetooth doesn't suck as much as it used to. They use AAC for iPhone, which actually sounds pretty fantastic. aptX and aptX HD already exist. I'm curious. I want to hear it. This phone, this Moto G is one of the first phones I've ever had where I can actually force it to go into different Codex deep inside the developer mode. I'm always anything that promises to deliver better audio quality I'm down with, but this is going to have to be built into your phone and into your headsets. Looking forward to it. Can't wait to hear it. So it's not just a software update? You know, if it is, I am misunderstanding it. That's entirely possible. You know, at this point, I mean, part of my issue is like when I hear 24-bit audio, I think snake oil because nobody needs 24-bit audio. Feel free to send angry email to ask at avxcel.com and we can debate the finer points of HD audio and it being marketing fluff. But I actually, you know, wireless audio has gotten so much better, I'm just stoked that aptX and Qualcomm are still, or Qualcomm is still pushing aptX to deliver more better. Yeah. And as we're going to talk a little later on the show, wireless earbuds becoming more and more common from better and better manufacturers. So you need the codec to go along with that, right? Never hurts if it works. Well, I hope you're all enjoying rumor season, which has really... Is that like Robin's season? Yeah, sure. I don't know, it's some sort of season. It's fall, we've got a new Apple event coming up. Nine to five Mac now swears, they swear. They have pictures of a gold iPhone to be called, the iPhone XS, XS. And the Apple Watch Series 4 with an edge-to-edge screen and a user on Reddit posted pictures supposedly of the Google Pixel 3 with no notch and two bezels. So XS makes sense because this would be the S generation. They go every other generation, there's the generation and then the S and last time was the iPhone X. So this would be the XS. But of course, everyone's gonna call it XS because it's going to be really expensive if this ends up being the name. Get it, XS, like excessive. Right, that was it. I mean, I don't know. When I hear XS, I think of the band. Is Sensation, but not. Well, that's in XS, but there is also XS. But yeah, I don't know. Patrick, do you care about gold iPhones and two bezels and notches and I don't know. What do you make of all this? I don't know. The running joke is this point is all notches are bad unless you're Google with the Pixel 3 and then you make the biggest notch ever after you spent years telling people how evil and stupid notches work. I don't care about gold, but judging from conversations I've had with product managers, a whole delete expletive ton of humans out there really get off on gold devices, like uncomfortably excited. I mean, I would put myself in that category. I want all things gold all the time. Gold or rose gold? Cause for a while rose gold was the new black. I had a rose gold iPhone when it was new and it was lovely. I would prefer a yellow gold iPhone. See, I'm a platinum, titanium kind of guy. Ripping in gold. I'm waiting for the platinum iPhone. I mean, the truth is at this point I expect the iPhone, like the iPhone X was so over the top. Platinum scratches easily though, Patrick. Well, yeah, but it also turns out if you have a titanium wedding ring and you weld with it, you can get welding splat on it, which makes you super popular when your wife finds that. Take in the platinum iPhone and sprayed it with a light coating of titanium. Titanium filled, yeah. I don't know, what are the edges? I mean, I was talking about this with Ryan Schraut this week in computer hardware yesterday and we were kind of laughing mostly. I mean, it's like, ah, it's an iPhone. It's more expensive. It'll have a better camera. Oh my God, it really is more expensive. How much more expensive is it? Really, it's that much more expensive. You know what I mean? Like that was our kind of joke at this point. After looking at the pricing of the iPhone X. But it was, for me, the thing kind of fascinated me the most was looking at the Apple Watch. You know, and what do they call them? Complications when there's additional information. And I was reading, we maxed this out and we're looking at, okay, there's the barometer and the temperature and the time until sunset and it was just all of this information in the four corners because they minimized the bezel and maximize the screen and then there was four more complications in the center and the time. Mostly I'm just wondering, I find it fascinating to watch them stuff more and more information into this and I'm trying to decide if it's actually usable in real life. I'm really curious. I'm really curious what the pricing on this stuff is because at this point, I was looking at buying a new iPhone and being like, okay, so I lose the headphone jack and it's $1,000 and okay, I'm playing around with a $250 Moto G6 which has the most insane collection. That's one of the worst. The Watch 4, with its eight chunks of information or nine if you count the clock seems much more readable than 37 tiny icons on the top of the screen but I'm curious how well it works. I'm curious what additional features are gonna get packed in and I'm kind of curious what they can do with the camera at this point. I'm curious what they actually announce on September 12th when the actual announcement that will tell us all of these things happens. I forgot, you guys are already over rumor season or at least it's, I mean, because I was, I was looking at it for six months. Yeah, I think it's October for probably October for the Pixel so we'll, we'll find out then. Hey, Trend Alert, new Trend Alert. Routers that are also smart speakers, Netgears Orbi, Voice Mesh Router comes with a speaker and Amazon Voice Services. Now, it's not a 360 degree speaker like the Echo. It has a traditional woofer and tweeter in front with a base reflect port so you gotta point it the direction you want the sound to go. It does not support simultaneous playback with other speakers either, but it is a router. It's tri-band Wi-Fi up to 2.2 gigabits per second. So not the fastest, but the decent. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you just hold that thought. Sorry. It's 2.2 gigabits per second. What's wrong? That part is, but a lot of the things that claim to be faster, the router manufacturers are doing like, well, if you could simultaneously connect on. Well, hold on, hold on. Let me finish this, let me finish the sideline and then you'll understand where I was going with that. Two ethernet ports arrives in September for $300 or bundled with an Orbi Hub for $429. Netgear also announced the Nighthawk XR700 gaming router with seven gigabit ethernet ports and one 10 gigabit port. Go. Sorry, well, you should do the Huawei thing and then I'll get it all out of my seat. Yeah, also, and back to trend alert, Huawei announced the AI Cube, which combines an Amazon-powered smart speaker with an LTE SIM card slot and Wi-Fi router. It is also a cylinder, not a cube, even though it's called a cube, but my takeaway from all of this is, oh, this is smart. I wonder if it will catch on, but it appeals to me the idea of a smart speaker that's also a router on my mesh network. You still have to have a hub for the Orbi, right? Well, it also depends where the speaker is, right? I mean, if I put a speaker where my router is now, it's not an ideal place. You want the mesh routers out in the open, but you never really want them appear in the open because they're just a thing you plug in and they don't do anything. However, if it's a speaker, then it's great to have them out in the open because it's a speaker and it will have better line of sight to the next item in your mesh. Sorry, the power cord's not long. I like to reach over there and grab my Nick, your Orbi satellite, but the power cord's not long enough to pull over here. So the thing about that came out with the mesh networks is one, they all, almost every mesh network manufacturer hired a designer to try to make something that would not be pro... Like something that might look like it might be in the corner of Ikea or the name of the place that makes the furniture that falls apart that always looks so beautiful that's in the mall. Like this Eero, for instance. Exactly. You know, a happy little hockey puck, right? Or something that looks like a vase, but you can't put flowers into it. And so the, it's... So Nick here's done, they've done their big flamethrower Orbi system, then they did some smaller ones that allow you, if you don't necessarily need the power, the high-end ones are don't want to spend the money. They have an outdoor router now, waterproof, weatherproof, dustproof one that I was playing around with. And so this is literally one of their satellites that they took all of the empty space in the satellite and had a Harman Kardon design a speaker to fit into that space and add in the directional mics to do the Alexa stuff. I was, because I went into this because I had a meeting on this and I'm waiting for the thing to show up and I'm just like, oh God, Nick here's gonna do another wifi speaker. I hate wifi speakers, I'm over. Just buy Sonos and leave it, you know what I mean? Like I'm just, I'm done with the product category. Some of them sound amazing, but all the amazing ones seem to have crappy software. So this is literally like, they are looking at how they can make this box more palatable, right? And they've wrapped it in fabric and it's an Alexa speaker and it sounds pretty decent. It's for me, I don't know if it's a new category, but it's another really interesting move from Nick here to try to make Orbi more functional or maybe just to get everybody who's already bought an Orbi to buy more Orbi products. Well, I think between Orbi and Huawei both doing this, it's not necessarily a new category, but it's a new trend, which is like, oh, we're gonna combine the smart speaker into the router. Because other attempts to make a router do something else have generally been sort of silly. Yeah, and this was, I was going into this thinking this is gonna be awful and I walked out of the room thinking like, okay, you know what? Because I literally have one sitting on a table in my kitchen where it connects to a computer and another thing and that actually wouldn't be a bad place to have music and I've seen that your Orbi's that are sort of tastefully sort of, there's a bunch of pictures on the desk like at grandma's house, except oh my God, it's your generation now doing the grandma photo thing on the side table by the front door and they sort of hid it in there. So I think it's something that could be useful or at least make it reduce the number of devices plus quite frankly, anybody who bought one of the original Amazon ALEXAs is probably aware of how mediocre that speaker is at this point and a chance to upgrade that might be really attractive. Well, on the subject of new product categories, Huawei announced its Kirin 980 system on a chip built on a seven nanometer process around ARMS Cortex A76 CPU and Mali G76 GPU design. It also has a cap 21 modem supporting speeds of up to 1.4 gigabits per second faster than the Snapdragon's 866 megabits per second. Huawei's Mate 20 flagship phone will contain the new Kirin 980 chip and be announced in London October 16th, although I guess we're kind of announcing it right now. Well, no, the Mate 20 will be announced in London. The chip was announced right now. I guess the Mate 20 details will be announced in London. Exactly. Hey, go Huawei, I guess. Competition for Qualcomm. And the Snapdragon's been out for a little longer, so it's not like Kirin's lead will last forever. Scientists at Queen's University Human Media Lab in Kingston, Ontario built a prototype 2K touchscreen. They're calling Magic Scroll. The 7.5 inch screen can be rolled up into a cylindrical casing, but the screen stays on the outside of the case and can be used as sort of a cylindrical smartphone and then unrolled if you need to use it more like a tablet. The team presents the project at the Mobile HCI Conference on Humor-Computer Interaction in Barcelona next month. It's kind of cool. It's obviously 2K, it's low resolution, it's real bulky right now because it's a prototype, but look past all that, would you want a cylindrical object that you could use as your smartphone for just little things? And then, oh, I wanna see the full video, you unwrap it basically, you unfruit roll-up it? Every time I hear about this sort of like the rolling up feature of an upcoming smartphone or tablet or whatever, I'm like, do I need this? This seems silly. Where am I to put it? I don't need it, like what cylindrical thing would fit in any apparatus that I'd carry things in? However, I've never seen this in the wild. I don't know one person who's ever shown me how this works well. So I want to reserve judgment until I see how much it will improve my life. Cause I think this is one of those things where the form factor makes no sense to me because I don't know how it will improve my life yet. I'm sitting here trying to think about that, to think about what my use case, because they say, oh, you can keep it in cylindrical form and answer the phone with it. But I guess that's- That sounds so weird to me. It's like- I would rather unwrap it and have it folded and use it folded, which they also showed answering a phone call that way. I think that makes more sense. I don't know. At this point, every time I look at my wife's iPhone 5s, the little tiny one or the SE, I mean, and then I go to find my reading glasses and then I realize I might actually need a magnifying glass to reading glasses. The idea of having something that's that delete expletive big, delete expletive apparently being the word of the day for me or the phrase of the day. Just having a big screen is a lot more attractive to me that it would have been five or six years ago. Before I started wearing reading glasses. But yeah, I'm with Sarah. Like, you know, you have this big stripe down the middle. It's sort of, you know, flopping down in the back. There's lots of things- Man, it's a prototype though. That's like- I know. I'm with- I'm with you. I'm very curious to see if they can make it into, you know, cause that's a really big tube. That's more like a beer can than, you know, I was thinking- You guys were talking about the thin tube and answering the phone and I'm like- Does it really go in your pocket? It's more like an electric ring. You know, like Bob Barker's microphones that were like three feet long and a half inch thick. Like, I'm thinking I'm gonna be elegant with my giant beer can next to my head. They just have to present first and then they can start. Listen to you. You're all faithful in the future of technology. These are scientists. This isn't a company putting out a product. Come on. I mean, I don't feel very faithful in this honestly. But again, this is because, you know, I look at specs on paper and I go, I don't know, it sounds complicated. However, I think that having multiple form factors for a single device, probably a great idea. It's just that I don't know anybody who has shown me that this will improve my life yet. So we're still kind of on the precipice of the multi form factor smart devices. Well, if you know what it's good for, email us feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. In the meantime, if you wanna keep up on all this stuff every day, there's a quick way to be smart. Check out Daily Tech Headlines. You can get all the headlines each day in about five minutes. Just subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com. All right, we're gonna wrap up a little bit of the big news coming out of EFA. Patrick's been keeping up on it. And one of the big things that we saw were a couple of 8K TV announcements. Now, it's not the first time we've seen 8K announced, but in the past, it's always been coming soon. How much closer did we get to here this time? I think we're in the, you can't afford it, but someone you know, or the guy that owns your company. But somebody could, yeah. But somebody could, right? Well, it's for a while, it's been in the like, look at the magnificent 8K television. And then, you know, at CES, you know, we saw a couple of things. And I wanna say about a year ago, there was like, if you have house money, we can get you an 8K television. And now it's actually, you know, to use highly technical marketing terms, the pissing contest between Samsung and LG has moved into an entirely new area, which is, you know, moving the entire population of people that haven't gotten onto 4K HDR TVs yet into 8K TVs, at least the high end. I'm guessing most of these are gonna cost the $20,000, $25,000 range, not a lot of pricing information out. You know, from what Robert Herron has said when we were talking on AVXL, he doesn't expect the LG OLED stuff to be much smaller than the giant television that they're showing off now, this crazy 88-inch television. You know, Samsung should be able to shrink their 8K TVs down a little bit faster. They're doing QLED, the quantum dot stuff. Mostly these are jostling to see who can be, you know, who's, they're both trying to get there first. There's fundamentally no content for either one of these. You don't need 8K, most people still haven't upgraded to proper HDR. You know, I just, I remember it's like, part of me, I was reading stories out of EFIM, part of me was like, wow, this is really, you know, manufacturers are treating this like the, there's more announcements coming out of EFIM it feels like because it's less congested than CES. So part of me is like, I really got more attention than EFIM, two EFIM that I would have in the past. And two, I was kind of fascinated that both LG and Samsung decided to announce these products now, because you know, they're super early. And I also think it's one of those things we've known for years, that there's not a lot of money in television manufacturing. So television manufacturers always seem to be trying to figure out ways to get people, especially at the high end, where there's the largest margins to buy the new shiny. So, you know. Yeah, I felt like this was a setup for, this was the tossing the ball in the air so they can hit it at CES with some kind of price and shipping details because they didn't have those this time. No, and the truth is like, these are going to look beautiful, right? This is, we were talking in pre-show that, you know, this is in the Eagle soaring stage where they have this magnificently shot. Like, you know, there's like two dozen of these cameras in the planet. And, you know, the cameras are worth more than the block I live on right now. And the lens is worth even more than the camera. But like, you know, we're talking about in the early days of, of HCTVs before you could actually buy like a 1080p HDTV, you know, you'd see this, the Eagle soaring and you'd be looking, there was always this side shot so you could see the movements of the feathers and the breakdown of the wing and be like, wow, this is so incredible or the conversation you and I had where I called you up, I'm like, what are you doing? And I'm like, or you're like, I'm watching soccer. And I'm like, I didn't know you liked soccer. And you're like, I don't, but I can see some grass and the stripes on the shoes. And this is so beautiful. There's that one crazy picture, I think, on the TechRadar article where there's, you can see the world's first, 8K OLED and the really attractive modeling company, model pair of models, there they are. Like, wow, I love you even more now that I've seen this magnificent 8K imagery on this OLED TV, that's the LG one right there. Actually, was that the one where they tweaked the caption? No, the verge that did it where they tweaked the caption with the woman saying, I'm leaving you and you're not listening to me because you're too distracted by this 8K TV. That pretty much sums it up. I mean, you know, there are neat technology demonstrations. If you get a chance to look at one, you know, it's like that first time you got to look, these are incredibly dense. There's like 33 million pixels in there or more. There's just a staggering number of pixels. They're gonna be, even on an 88 inch TV, they're gonna be incredibly small, you know. If you want to zoom and enhance, boy, 8K TVs are real good though. Yeah, but it's, oh man, you know, we don't know what the upscaling's gonna be like. I mean, I assume they're gonna spend a lot of money on a chipped upscale, you know, 4K to 8K. I think upscaled streaming 4K is gonna look kind of rough on 8K, you know. But, you know, the other flip side of that is- We're basically still in the wait-and-see territory. Yeah. Unless you have way more money than you know what to do with. In theory, we're like four or five years away from 8K being the, you know, the standard, but I just, I'm not, I feel like we're no, there's so many people that are behind on 4K and HDR. I find it difficult to believe we're gonna be going to 8K in the next three, four years. All right, well, let's finish up with the wireless earbud trend because, and we talked about a couple of these on the show, but Audio Technica has a couple, Sennheiser has a couple. It seems like true, they're calling them true wireless because they don't have a wire connecting the two earbuds. The AirPods style for you Apple fans is really settling in. Yeah, it's, the thing about Google, especially with their not exactly wireless earbuds, you know, I think audio is an afterthought. A lot of people who are into quality audio have not been impressed with the AirPods. Sennheiser generally, you know, they're a headphone and microphone company and they generally do good work. I can't wait to hear these. I'm very, very curious, you know, these are, you know, true, you know, discreet, not connected earbuds, you know, they're gonna be somewhere in the $300 range. They're promising, you know, four hours of listening, 12 hours with the case. What you're seeing right now after watching the video, that's Audio Technica. And Audio Technica was doing a bunch of interesting announcements, but again, the wireless earbuds, Audio Technica is a respected audio company. These look a little big and finding them on Amazon is gonna be a nightmare because it's the ATH-CKR-7TW. You know, but these are two, Sennheiser and Audio Technica, two respected audio companies. And I think they waited for, you know, a lot of the problem with the early wireless earbuds was actually getting the left and right earbud to sync and play audio at the same time. It turned out to be a much bigger problem than anybody thought it would be. So I think they've waited for the chipsets to solidify and become relatively inexpensive. I think they're maybe waiting for Bluetooth 5.0. And I'm very, very curious to hear both of these, you know, like the, you're talking about like, you know, Aptec supporters built in, AAC, the standard SBC, Bluetooth 5.0, which may promise the upgrade to that next generation, that next generation Aptecs HD. I mean, the other thing that was crazy is, Sony's got a new high-end wireless headphone and Audio Technica also announced one. I was kind of surprised by this. Very curious to hear it. The, again, a name that just rolls off the tongue, the ATH SLR 50BT and the 30BT, and they're claiming 70 hours of battery life. Not for earbuds though, right? Not for earbuds. These are over there. Yeah, these are for headphones. So I think as more and more manufacturers start stripping the headphone jacks out of phones, we're starting to see a little bit of acceleration in the high-end audio market. Cause hey, if you have a thousand dollar phone, you can probably afford a couple of $300. Or you have no money left. Can you? Well, I mean, those SR 30BT's with the 7,000 hour battery life. I mean, the 70 hour battery life. Yeah, no, that's attractive. Yeah. You know, and even the more expensive ones, the SR 50BT's that Audio Technica announced, they're talking about a 25 hour battery life. So lots and lots of stuff coming out of EFA. And again, if you're looking for a better audio experience, certainly Audio Technica and Sennheiser are fighting for your money. Yeah, those are real names in the space. So it's good to see that. Thanks for the, thanks for the summary, Patrick. That was helpful. You're welcome. And thanks to everybody in Heart Subreddit. You submit audio stories, as well as many others. And if you have stories that you'd like us to feature on the show, you know what to do, submit your story or vote on someone else's at dailytechnieshow.reddit.com. We're also on Facebook, facebook.com, slash groups, slash Daily Technique Show. But their emails also come in, and then we read them on the show. Exactly, yeah. We're not, you know, the email still, we're cool with that. Timmy D actually had a really, really good response. The conversation we had the other day about Google adding veteran search result functionality. Timmy said this is something that veterans should know about a program from the University of Syracuse called Onward to Opportunity. It's free for veterans or active duty or reservists or national guard and their spouses, office training and certification in several areas, including IT, that cybersecurity, cloud services, programming, project management, Six Sigma, et cetera. They also partner with other veterans support groups to provide mentoring, coaching and placement, recruiting help. I recently used them to get my CISSP and they're extremely supportive and helpful. Any veterans and their spouses that are looking to change careers or get certifications should at least check them out and see if they might be able to help you. The website is Onward to the number two opportunity hyphen vctp.org. We'll put that in our show notes as well. And I know Amos before the show, you said this is actually a really good, really good resource. Yeah, this is one of those things that would be great for when you hit the little button there. Great for people that have, that are transitioning out like I was or I am. And during the one week long presentation that I went through a couple of weeks ago, this wasn't mentioned at all. So it kind of shows just how fractured all the information out there is. And also that I was looking around and this is, as far as I can tell, it's a really great program. Most of the things are in IT and program management or in management in general. But if you're into those areas, this is, looks like a great opportunity. And I'll, I'll follow up with this company and get back with you guys on my experience with it, but it looks amazing. Well, that's awesome. So thanks to me for sending in that anytime anybody has resource help, we, we strive to be a bastion of knowledge. So thanks to everybody who participates. And also thanks to Patrick Norton, who's also a knowledge base. Unlike any other, I might add Patrick, what's been going on since we saw you last. Oh my goodness. Man, at this point, watching the new laptops roll out and it seems like everybody delt announced a bunch of laptops at IFA Lenovo, making tech thing, making AVXL and finally getting my surround sound speakers sorted out in my literature. I think it's the most important thing in my life at this point. I know the feeling. Uh, we'll go follow Patrick on the Twitters and check out tech thing. Where's the best place to keep up on all that stuff? Probably at Patrick Norton, if you're on Twitter, otherwise, T-E-K-T-H-I-N-G.com or A-V-E-X-C-E-L.com. And hopefully my video hasn't frozen because I'm staring at an alarming still capture of myself and the Google lining out now. And audio people don't even care. They're like, we wouldn't have known. Hey, everybody, thanks for supporting us on Patreon. Tomorrow is Patreon day. That's when everybody gets charged for their backing. That's when I'll send out all the notes with all the information that you ask me about all month. 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Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Awesome. Good show. Nailed it. I like how Patrick sort of like frozen on his high. Hi. With my eyes closed, you know, it's it's yeah, it's yeah. I was afraid you also have a hand up as if you were invoking a blessing upon us. Right. Hangouts. I love technology. I want to grab you. Are you still using the Logitech stuff, Sarah? Uh, I mean, my camera, yes. No, the software, the Logitech stuff. No. Oh, that's so so it's not bad anymore. I think it's. It's and the. It shouldn't be hangouts, though, doing that. That's really unusual. Apparently, my camera crashed on this Lenovo I'm testing. Or maybe it is. Thank goodness. Most people listen on audio like 70 percent of the people don't even care about these problems. And once this video froze, I try to keep up a picture of the web page that we were looking at. But that's fine. Thank you. And I'm terribly, terribly sorry. No, like I just said, 70 percent of the audience does not even care. And then and the 30 percent that even look at video, most of them have it minimized. They're doing something else anyway. They're just using it to listen. I know. I was somebody was like, why are you bagging on Skype all the time? Like, because I use Skype? Here's the thing I found. It's all of them. There isn't one. It's software. Software and networking and streaming are complex things and none of them do it right. So people are like, oh, I don't use hangouts. It sucks. I'm like, well, then what do you use? Well, I use this other thing and it works perfectly all the time. Well, no, it screws up like, yes, exactly. My point, sir. My points. It's they all we haven't matured the technology to a solid state yet. I don't mean solid state, but I mean like a state where everything is solid. I was with you. The theme world looks steady state. Oh my goodness. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how many things got announced at IFA this week. Yeah, I know. It was it felt almost CES like the number of things that came out. I have this feeling if there may have been like, yeah, it's either leading up to a really epic CES or C this we're going to basically be looking around at the beginning of the end of CES or it's a tide shift. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was saying the other day. I remember the folks from IFA through the showstoppers people and got a bunch of us analysts and journalists together one time in San Francisco and said, how do we get you to come here and cover and cover this and we're like, get companies to make announcements. I mean, that's not like a special secret. Like we go where the news is. So if you can have the companies make a news, then you'll find a bunch of journalists show up and it seems like over the past 10 years, that's exactly what they've been able to do. Yeah. Interesting. Oh my goodness. So Patrick, what is on tap for your weekend? Oh, so. Yes, I'm going to be installing my 8K television after I sell my children's kidneys. Then need them. Yeah. Now we're actually Sarah starts a job. My Sarah starts a job on the 10th. So I'm going to be the primary home to school parents and that make you the principal and the principal and the superintendent. This episode, by the way. 8K to nowhere. Yeah. Yeah, I was right. Sarah is the principal. I'm the teaching assistant, maybe. I'm the TA. What a mesh speakers are. What a mesh speakers are. That's pretty good. I like that. I like that one. Let's do that. That was brought to us by Mojam. Well done Mojam. He's a maker of good titles that Mojam. So I don't know if I brag about this all that often, but I pride myself on a person who never gets sick, never have colds, I never have the flu. I don't worry about germs. All of those things that other people get all the time, I never do. I sense you pride going before a fall here. Until yesterday. And you know the feeling where you're like, oh, hurts to swallow all of a sudden. And then you're kind of like, now like a weird other part of my body is like, why am I so tired? Like, why am I weepy? My legs are kind of sore, weird. Yeah, like, I'm just, I'm sick. I'm sick. And I hate to admit it because I like to think that I am this person who has the immune system of a, you know, of a bowl and I just never get sick. It's probably been not even kidding. Seven years since I've been ill. Wow. And you tend to think like you've just, you've figured it out. I'll never get sick again. Yeah, I'm sick. And like, like the roof of my mouth is very sore. Isn't that weird? It's like a, it's uncomfortable and hard to eat and makes no sense. RDT two wants to know if you picked it up at the dog park. No. I don't know. Are you drinking out of bowls other dogs were drinking? Wish I don't do that. That's probably not a great idea. No. Okay. So it's 2020. I don't know. I remember also the phase when, when, at one point she's like every kid and I don't, I don't know. I think all the kids were like rubbing against each other's faces before leaving the daycare, the preschool. Yeah. He came home wrecked like every three weeks for like six months. And after that things were kind of chill, but I remember being like, how, how long can this terrible spate of vomiting and fevers go on? So now with, you've been un-sick for seven years, I feel like I'm going to start stalking you and, you know, Don't stalk me and throwing a child. Every time my children are sick, I'm driving to Venice and finding you. We all know, I mean, and again, you might be in the category, I know certain people that are very healthy, eat healthy, exercise, you know, great lifestyle and they're just sick all the time. You know, and so I, you know, you kind of tend to just be like, well, that sucks to be you. I just, I'm never sick and I'm not as healthy as you are by a long shot. But, but then when it happens, you know, you know, because it's, it's a, it, it makes everything a lot harder. I just, you know, you know, waking up in the middle of the night and being like, I don't want to swallow. It's going to hurt so bad. You know, that kind of thing. The sore throat is the worst. I don't mind being sick except for sore throats. Sore throats are my least favorite thing on earth. They're horrible. Yeah. Because, because even if you're not eating, you swallow all the time. Like you blink throughout the day. It's just not something you think about until you're like, I don't want to do it. It's going to hurt again. So that's where we are right now. And At least you're not squeaking. No. Yeah. It's, it hasn't affected my voice or anything. Heather Frank, who I hung out with earlier this week, she, she was sick and lost her voice and it was a whole thing. So who knows. I mean, we're probably all just. You and Heather drinking out of the same bowl at the same time. We were not, not She's never going to tell us shots. I don't know, but she probably has her. Heather voiceless and how pissed off that must. Well, it's funny because I hadn't seen her and we were just sort of talking on Slack and she was like, I can't talk. That is not a problem that at least I'm having right now, but I do have a weird roof of mouth. Pain, which is how it hurts. Like the, it's not like, you know, when you like maybe like eat a bite of pizza and it's too hot and bird, like it's not that it's not a bird feeling. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a inside my bones thing. It sucks. My brain, my fashion. I don't know. I left. It's going to be a great Labor Day weekend. I'm done. You know, you'll clear up tomorrow and you'll feel like already in the sunshine. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's been a little bit of a stretch. Two years and a row at CES. And like, I remember looking at a, a certain Florida actor and being like, I'm going to be unconscious right here, kick me and make sure I get on the playings at 104 degree fever. And it was squeaking. Oh my God. That's sealed. That's bad. Two years in a row, I left CES with a 104 degree fever. And then I stopped signing, doing the big 600 person autograph signing lines. And I did never caught Strep. again, because that one, that one guy, uh, Strepto Joe, who kept getting your autograph every year, typhoid, Mary Strepto Joe. They're a painful palette. It's so me. I come on, you know, we're not calling you was it was it? Was it suffered enough? Scooter, Scooter. Yeah. Scooter's not scooting all that great right, right now. Scooter, Scooter's more of a putter. Scooter Park. Scooter's putt-putt-putting. Well, you know, that way back in the day, I won't even mention how long ago it was, but I was one of those kids where you know how they don't take out tonsils anymore, right? Yeah. Um, but I was one of those kids who got tonsillitis like several times during the winter for many years to the point where we were like, okay, doctors, I think it's, you know, take the tonsils out, right? I think I think, you know, I was probably about 18 years old at that point like it sucked. And so they did. And I never got tonsillitis again. But I got strep throat every year after that for like five years. Oh my gosh. It was like some weird thing where my body was like, oh, okay. Yeah, you think you've outsmarted me? Don't want you could not gonna let me give you tonsillitis huh? Yeah, there's a virus. There's a virus one. Yeah. So, um, but even that hasn't I, you know, I haven't had strep throat since I was in my 20s. I remember when my sister got her tonsils out. And they they had the little golden book of getting your tonsils out and what it was like in the hospital and getting ice cream and all that. And my parents showed me the book, a bunch of who knew they showed me the book. And they're like, this is, you know, you're going to have to do this too in a few years. So be brave like your sister. And I was like, Oh, but I get ice cream. Okay, you know, it was all working. Sure. Never have my tonsils out. Also, the time of my sister getting them and and the time they would have taken mine out, they was they changed the policy. Right. And I don't know. I mean, if you're six and you get your tonsils out, it's probably I don't know. I you know, I was I was an adult. I was literally 18 years old when this happened. But I will tell you, you don't want ice cream. You don't want anything. You want to die. It is not fun. Yeah, talk about not wanting to swallow. It was in fact, it was my first experience I ever had with Vicodin. And I was like, well, this isn't the drug for me. Because I'm still in pain. And now I'm also sick. Oh, no. But the little golden book said you'd enjoy the Vicodin. No, I don't remember the little golden book on Vicodin. We missed that chapter. Little golden book of Soma. You got ice cream and you'll be addicted to opiates. Slipping Jimmy will bring you some Vicodin. If you don't sell 800 of the pills, they're going to take the other out of your hide to pay for your hospital bill. You'll need to sell. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's I never never missed my tonsils. It was great to never have tonsillitis again. But yeah, I do remember soon after, you know, I healed up, it was like, well, hold on a second, some feels like I'm getting tonsillitis again. Oh, no, no, Sarah, that's that's that's just strep. That's strep threats that you have now. Now that that's what you get. I like, I was laughing so hard that there's, I can't think of the hospital was down in the Castro and I don't think anybody in San Francisco knows it's there that doesn't live in the Castro. And I got back, it was like Sunday morning, I was back from CES and I was like, okay, I gotta I gotta do something because I was I was literally squeaking and this tonsil is like the size of golf ball. Are you talking about the one on like Castro and Diviz or Castro and Diviz are the same. So like it's at the top of the hill. No, it's a little farther down. Okay. I can't it'll take me a minute to figure out the whatever it's a small hospital, but there's like one doctor and there's like a nurse. And my friend drops me off there. Like my friend drives my neighbor drives me down and like basically he's like opens up the window has me like hang my head out because he's very kind of germophobic. And I get there and the doctors, the doctors like, you know, I'm super slick, like 38, and I make a lot of money in San Francisco and I'm pretty. And he's just like, you probably just have a viral infection. And there's nothing I can do. And as he's doing this, he's like, he's lazily pulling his light pen out. And he's like, and you probably have a viral infection and oh, that's a bacterial infection. And I'm going to give you something for that. It was still one of the funniest like, how do they look different? Well, because you got you see white, yeah, splotches and usually bacteria. Yeah, it was hysterical. Plus from where your bodies fight in the bacteria. But yeah, yeah, there was a lot of that. But that's the story we won't tell. Mm. In front of I love that. Thank you, the doctor. But please hang your head out the window. I mean, literally, he was he was a sweet guy. The last thing you want to do if you have a cold, right? Or something is like, I was so desperate to like move some sort of healing forward. I didn't care. I mean, this is also around the time that Paul Block thought I was sandbagging on coming in because I was sick. And and he's like, you're going to be in here on Wednesday, or there's going to be trouble. And I swear to God, I had 103 degree fever. I do not know how I drove to the office. And I was sitting there in the corner, shaking. I was so physically ill. And I'm staring at Paul in this meeting. And like, we get like three quarters, like the end of the meeting, he's like, your eyes are swimming in your skull. Go home. I'm like, don't ever question that I'm sick. Well, video folks, I hope you've enjoyed these tales. Audio folks stick around for puss free stories. I didn't bring up the puss. You brought up the puss. Say the P word.