 George Bruno with a 21 report. We are at the 21 summit in Orlando, Florida And I'm talking with John Sanmez from Bulldog Mindset We just went through four days of a convention including the inaugural 22 convention for women Welcome to the show. Thanks George Your initial impressions you had Four days of this event. What are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean I'm still trying to process everything It's just been an amazing experience. You know, I think the biggest thing for me is just Seeing you know you we talk about a lot. We're online. We're talking about men coming together Acting like men seeing that camaraderie seeing this spirit of Masculinity here so powerful was is really the biggest takeaway just being in this environment be able to talk to so many people And in the conversations that we're having and you know just being in person There's there's there's nothing that quite matches it There was probably only a handful of guys who maybe never saw you or didn't know you I would imagine that everyone that you spoke with has watched your channel has Enjoyed your teaching for years. So what was it like meeting some fans so to speak? Yeah Yeah, it was nice, you know Especially in a place where where you're welcome a lot of times when I go places if I meet someone or if I'm at a convention There'll be a group of people that I'll talk to but my content is counterculture So to be in a place where I don't have to be careful of what I what I say Where I can just give it to them straight. It was it was pretty refreshing and it was it was just a great experience so yeah In the past I've seen speakers fly in Give a speech Take an Uber back to the airport and fly out one of the values I've been saying for years now is that you're here for the whole conference that you're mixing with people at the end of your stage time You're with the attendees. You're with the other speakers You're building relationships and that's one of the values of something like this One of the things I noticed with you is I'm observing speakers in the past four days is that I'd see you off to the side with a person here there a couple People here a husband and wife kind of thing and it's almost I don't want to say counseling But I saw you guiding people Every time I turn a corner you were talking to somebody and they were just like intently listening You did a lot of coaching over the past four days. Did you? Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty exhausted But you know, that's what that's what I live for and and to be able to to do that You know, I'm gonna give as much time as I possibly can when I'm here because that's what it's about It's about you know helping helping young men, especially to find their way and then now women as well And that's you know, that's that's awesome That's again another another one of the things that you can only do when you have something that where everyone's there Where it's present as opposed to you know, it's it's great. We get information. We talk to each other online But in person is where those things can happen and yeah Talking to women usually men's conferences, especially Awakened men red pill men whatever you want to like man a sphere kind of things They don't normally Talk to women, right? You were speaking to women here What are women dealing with what is the cry of their heart? Yeah, you know the biggest thing and I've dealt with this firsthand and and just speaking to to so many women is that You know the red pill guys are correct that women want a top 10% or a top 5% man. They they want the quote alpha male They want men to become it. That's true. There's not very many out there But they they want to be able to keep one of those guys Because with what we have going on in society today Well, a lot of women are able to have access to a lot of different men But the kind of man that they actually want to keep that's the one that they can't and that's what I was actually talking about In the in the talk the other day, but but yeah women want a strong man She wants an alpha man, but she also wants at the same time for him to to actually have that a Little bit of that softness a little bit for her only Not for the rest of the world and I think that's where things get confused very much I think a lot of guys that are trying to emulate the alpha male type of character They they lose this a lot of the red pill Community and the content that's created is very much saying, you know, don't treat women well Don't and it was refreshing to be here where where there's so many guys that have that the same mindset that I do Which is that we're here to make women better that if you have an interaction with a woman Even if it's a short one She'd leave her better than you found her and she should say wow that experience I had with that man It was one of the best experiences of my life, right? She's a better person because of it and so yeah So women are struggling with that though because men generally don't understand that the men that we are Bringing up a lot in the red pill community. We're teaching them perhaps how to how to get laid How to be strong masculine men, but we're not teaching them how to interact properly with women and how to treat women Right, you know the way I I talk about it is that what happened to the Don wands? What happened to the the seducers, right? That's that's the Latin lover exactly exactly And so women are really looking for that, right? They'll settle for the the alpha male because biologically that's what they're gonna be attracted to But they're really looking for that that guy that gets both sides of it yeah, I was doing some research on Caesar Romero who was the original Joker in the original Batman series and he was a combination of The baggy pant comedian like from vaudeville days like that kind of thing where just like the the fun guy the Laugh the guy that makes everyone laugh at the party But he was also the swooning Latin lover when a woman would come into his presence He would take her hand. This is back when a man could take a woman's hand right and kiss her hand Of course, you don't do that today in 2020 very few guys can get away with that But he was the ultimate swooning gentlemen. Yes, but Men knew not to mess with him, right? It was interesting. Yeah, he was an interesting combination of Lady pleaser lady pleaser and a role model for men right fascinating. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I think that's that's exactly the the way that more men should be and that's what that's what I'm trying to help teach men Yeah, I feel like there's a there's a lacking there So who would have thought that this is part of the bulldog mindset, you know, that's that's interesting. That's great Last night I was talking to a lady I believe she was If I'm not mistaken, she's a blogger who's going to be reporting on this. Okay, and We were talking and I just I said to her You know, it's just really nice to meet you and I put my hand out and we kind of shook hands and it wasn't like masculine hinge it was Like I think when I greet a woman I put my hand like this. I don't do business man I go like that right and they put their hand on yours and it's it's just a gentler type of Hand clasp, right and she said wow. I said What do you mean? Wow, and she says One thing I noticed about all the men here is they've all shaken my hand with intention Her exact words. They made eye contact with me. It shook my hand with intention and And the other gals that were around said, yeah, I felt the same thing I felt like I was shaking the hands with men. She goes, I don't get that anywhere I don't shake a lot of man's hands even though and I never get that masculine feeling for men She felt that here, right? Yeah Interesting Men and women are different. How should we treat women different? How should we treat women different? Different than the way that we are now as as as red pill as masculine men. Yes I would say, you know, I'll give you a good example, right? so a lot of guys ask me all the time about whether it's called alpha to buy a girl dinner You know to pay for her dinner if they should split the check or if they should not buy her dinner at all try to have her buy a dinner or drinks her and What I what I tell them all the time is that you know, if if you want to do it Do it like it's not what you do. It's why you're doing it, right? So if you take a girl out to dinner and You decide to buy her dinner because you're trying to get something from her you're trying and it doesn't mean always sex A lot of times in fact, what it means is approval validation. You want her to like you and that's why you're doing it Let me show you what a what a nice guy. I am Then it's wrong If you're doing it because you genuinely want to you don't care what the outcome is You don't care you are securing yourself as a man You don't care if she likes you or not if she does great if she doesn't great But you're doing it because it's your prerogative because that's what you want to do Because you're overflowing from having so much abundance in your life that you you give to other people And that's just the person you are Then it's the right thing to do and but that's a choice that you have to make internally and So many guys are are looking for the the rules of this is how I should interact with women I should never do this always do this like there's an alpha male playbook, right a secret playbook Right, they don't have access to and only if they do the right combination of things do this but don't do that They get very stiff and mechanical and robotic and they're not Acting out of abundance exactly exactly so So they should be acting out of what they what they feel what they want to do and as long as You have your own standards and boundaries and you're acting from there then you now you have the freedom to treat a woman like a princess and That's not very popular when I say that in in this community a lot of times You know here so not as not as much not as it right in a lot of the larger man is fair But but it's very true, you know And part of I think their way that you've developed this ability is is what I call non attachment is is for you to be able to Fully experience your emotions as a man, but not let them dictate your actions Yes, and then to be able to let go and so when you can live life like that And you can only do that when you have an abundance when you have something overflowing from you Then you can have these amazing interactions with women you can fall in love in a Brief period of time maybe even ten minutes, but then you can let that go and not be attached to it Yeah, and maybe it develops. Maybe it doesn't but you don't have to be be the kind of guy that That that is just trying to get something trying to get validation trying to get anything from anyone and when you're that kind of person In general people want to be around you. That's where charisma comes from It's because when people around you they feel like they're better. They're feel like you're not trying to get something from them Yeah, and yeah, I think that's that's how men need to be treating women is is from that place So I'm still trying to come up with a nickname for you Like I want to call you like the gentleman of the the man a sphere And soon as soon as I say the word gentlemen a lot of people think like oh someone who's good with the ladies Mm-hmm. I don't mean it that way The red a red-pilled gentleman is good with everybody Mm-hmm. I noticed that your behavior is the same with men as it is with women You greet men like that like the man that they are right you greet women like the woman that they are It's like you have respect for human beings not you're not being fake with women and trying to be Joe cool with them You are cool with everybody and I just think the mindset is You want to spread that abundance to everyone, right? But if you only gear it towards women then that's more of a manipulative thing more trickery going on You know, and I noticed that you have moved from a group of 21 year old men three guys sitting around talking talking with them at their level to being with some older Speakers to then talking to wives. Mm-hmm. You were talking to wives here. Yeah You're very versatile. How did you get that versatility? That's a good question. I would say that a lot of it comes from from empathy because I've been in a lot of the situations, right a lot of guys that asked me all the time, you know You did this should I do this and my answer is no that was my path so that I could Go and do some of the wrong things in life in order to be able to be here and Be able to tell you the right thing because a lot of guys can tell you the right thing But they haven't felt that they haven't experienced it and so I grew up when I was growing up I was not the cool guy. I was the the nerdy shy guy. I had no Experience or success with women. I was completely afraid to talk to women I had to learn how to overcome those things The same thing just just getting out of my shell just talking to men. I I understand what it's like I've been in relationships where I was blue-pilled where I was treated poorly and so just going through those experiences and and I feel like when I talk to people that That were the same inside and so because I feel like that I I try to look at it and say If I were this person, how would I feel right now? and When I can connect with that then I feel like I can I know what to say and I know how to to act and To give them what they need so yeah What was your favorite stage? I would say the main stage I think the main stage still you know the 22 convention stage was was pretty amazing too is It was the first time in a long time that I got on stage and I was actually nervous Yeah, you know I I wasn't sure I thought I'm not gonna be but I what I was and it was a good feeling To to feel that again and to realize that I think that's when you know that Something something's happened when when you're afraid a little bit to say what you're gonna say That you're saying what you should be saying So the 22 convention stage is a very unique stage because you had single women there single never married You had divorced women you had young women you had middle-aged women And I think there was a couple of grandmothers in there as well So it wasn't like you were speaking to and a lot of wives in there as well right It wasn't like a room filled with single women looking for husbands. There was a broad Range of women in there. Yeah broad no pun intended there. So But your message was for women at any stage of their life Right that was interesting. Is it hard to speak to women in general? I Would say I would say yes Given that the bigger group like like you said there right speaking to young women. I Could do that. I could tell her a message because I know What to say there and I know somewhat where they're coming from But when you have it all combined, I know there's some things I'm gonna say That are gonna hit well in this but it's not gonna hit so well on the other so it's a it's a it's more tough I think to to do that But yeah, it's it was a very interesting experience. Yeah, you weren't here to pacify anybody right right And I think you said it leave them better off after their Interaction with you. Yeah, challenge them a little bit. Yeah, yeah, very interesting very interesting Well watching you for four days getting to know you a little bit seeing you operate with a very wide range of people Has been fun. It's been a lot of fun and For lack of a better term you are the gentleman of the man a sphere and I watched you competent competent competently operate With all demographics and it was great. Some guys are just 21 stage only some guys are only Patriarch speaking to fathers you just moved Seamlessly amongst all the demographics here and it was a pleasure to watch. Thank you George. I appreciate it. Absolutely the gentleman of the man a sphere From Bulldog Mindset a conversation with John Sonmez. Thank you