 Okay, we have a call, I've been in the meeting, first order of business is the minutes. Do I have any call? As much as I wish it were the right number, I think under the school bond authorization, three lines down, it says the member towns will pay $14 million for the school. I think there's a digit missing there. Is it like this one? Okay, are there any other corrections? Right. I can't see who's back there. I don't know if that's the one you just went over, I didn't hear. It says about four lines down on the minute man. This is about 361 million less than last year, probably a thousand, or maybe a case should be there. 361,000, that's right. I wish it was 361. Well, no, that means last year would be awful nasty. Right. Thank you. Okay, are there any others? There are a couple of modifications all the way down the bond authorization paragraph. The committee has been, first one, the chair explained that a debt exclusion referendum would be desirable. I was trying to think of a stronger word than that. I was going to say required, but it's technically not required, but it would be... Unavoidable? Yes, okay, that sounds good. Where is that then? Got it. Okay, and then the next sentence, a committee has been appointed to claim the town's response to this capital project. In other words, a group of the people meeting on minute man has been appointed by the select one to look at this and give their recommendations to the other board. Any other corrections? Okay, do I have a motion? So moved. Second. Second. Okay, move and seconded to accept the minutes as corrected. All those in favor? We say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. I'm going to throw out a little editorial on the minute man school bonding project. You heard me express my deepest fears last Wednesday, and then a superintendent responded with open love. Unfortunately, the more I think about this, the more I think open love are not going to make it. So again, we have a small group that's been meeting sort of along that's going to revisit it and give their recommendations. But when the FinCon goes to town meetings, it's going to be your names underneath there, not theirs. And so I've been talking to people, what we're going to be looking at when this opens up, if we use today's operating cost, which could be a little less, might be more, we're going to be paying $35,000 a student. Because we're going to be paying about $25,000, $26,000 a student now, which is not wildly, it's the highest, but it's not, you know, there are a couple schools like Keith Tech and Framingham, it's like $22,000. But it's still very high. And then we're going to add 10 grand to that, and that's going to be the capital. So all of a sudden now we're facing $35,000 a student. Enrollment in Arlington is killing us, but once you get outside of 128, the enrollment's not going up that much. And they're going to start, you know, the 10 members who are left are going to start looking elsewhere, trying to dissuade, you know, their students who are going to Minuteman because they can't afford $35,000 a student. The other thing that the superintendent said, they were downsizing. Well, the more I look at it and talk to a couple of people, they're not downsizing. The out-of-district students are evaporating. And the reason is that ninth graders can't come to Minuteman anymore. They have to stay in their home district and review things they want to do. And then in tenth grade, transfer to Minuteman. That's going to be really tough. Trying to get them after they've fallen in love with the place they put her back or, you know, cheerleader or whatever they've done. And so the reason that's dropped, and it's already below what our target is of 628, it's like 621 or something. And, you know, waiting was to sort of dried up at least. In the meantime, we're going to have more competition because Wolfam is building a new high school with his own. He's going to have his own vocational school. Medford is looking to expand it. So I'm just really afraid that we're going to end up with a $150 million white elephant out there. And we own a third of it. I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but I think we really need to think about this very intensive. So I'm really asking you for the next two weeks, and do we have to vote on April 13th to talk to people, to think about it, to do some research, to go online, to, you know, talk to other people and see what they think. Try to give as much thought to this as we can because this could be the biggest. Now, even if we say no, they'll just go to a referendum, you know, on June 18th or whatever they do it. And, well, you know, we can't stop them from doing that unless the men at me in the school community does. But how should I say it? At least it's not on our heads. You know, they're warm people. So whether you vote for it or whether you vote against it, I'm just urging you to give a lot of thought to this very hard. But so our ninth graders will have to stay here too then, right? No, only out of district. So, you know, our ninth graders will have, our eighth graders will decide whether they want to go to Manor, whether they want to go here. And so, you know, when we finish building our grand high school, we could get that far. You know, maybe a lot fewer kids would want to go there. It's a serious issue. And I'm not sure, you know, I suppose I could pay the big bucks to worry. And I do it really very well. So that's Bill. I was curious, to what extent, in out of district ninth graders, how much revenue are we talking out of district? Probably about 17,000. It was getting to the point where it was up towards 20, but then of course all the other towns and cities that were sending students started complaining and moaning. So the commissioner who determines all this commissioner of education, he's been bringing it down. So now I think it's someplace around 17,000. And that's all determined there. So I said if it's 17,000, you had 10 grand on top of that, now they're looking at 27,000. And, you know, there are alternatives. You know, the show only cost 16,000. And they just rebuilt their school about 10 years ago. So, you know, I'm not saying to vote yes, I'm not saying to vote no at this time. I'm not sure what I'm doing myself. But I just, you know, we jumped in a minute back in the early 70s. And maybe without totally thinking down the road, it sounded like a good idea at the time. But, you know, we don't want to make the same mistake. We want to really give it some good, hard evidence and some good, hard thought. So that's my spiel. Okay, right now we have the ATED. This is the Tourism Committee. What were you appropriate last year? Was it 1775? Did somebody say yes? Okay. You're here alone today. I am. That's all right. So since we, I was last year, since we were last year. So we had, we were asking for three things the last time. So it was the website, help with a volunteer coordinator kind of person for the visitor center. And then just our regular committee budget. So we did meet with Alan, which was suggested and we talked over the website idea. And we have some other ideas, including some sponsorship and stuff. And so we were taking the website off the table. We're not going to ask for the money for the website. We would still like our traditional committee budget of 1775. And we would still like you to consider the 2500 though for the visitor center. Because like as we explained, you know, we want to keep it open as much as possible. And it's, it's really hard to do that with 100% volunteers. And we, it may be a little more challenging this season too, because of the Mass Ave work and the bike path crossing. We've already talked about that. We're going to try to use the visitor center itself. But if that becomes, you know, at least part of the time that, excuse me, that we can't. We decided that we were going to try to use the tent again, which we had done originally the first summer as a trial and see if we could use the lawn in the Jefferson Cudder House. So we want to be open as much as possible, either way. And so, you know, we respectfully ask that you would consider that 2500 just to help us get through that. Okay. Now who, I probably, we probably asked this question before, but it's been several weeks now. Who are you thinking of, would it be a town employee who would do this part time? The 2500. You know, somebody that gets picked, we did talk to the town manager and he's willing to oversee that. There's always, when we do the summer arts block party, there's a little bit of money that gets allocated out of that budget for somebody for sort of a similar purpose, but just for that particular event. And he oversees that and he said he'd be willing to do the same thing for this. So I think we would talk to him and then they would just, you know, pick somebody who was willing to do that for the season. Okay. So they'd be the coordinator, but still be generally staffed with volunteers. Yeah. I mean, yes. We wouldn't be able, that wouldn't cover that to have that person there the whole time, but we'd need, you know, we're hoping we're going to get somebody who's going to help us, you know, with the recruitment and keeping it staffed and then probably, you know, be there part of the time too, but we'll still be, we'll still be trying to use volunteers to keep it staffed. Okay. Questions? We've gotten very mellow in our old ages. Okay. Second time already. And the budget was for the usual materials and such to. Yep. And events and all of that. Yep. Okay. So you want 42.75 as your request. I think that sounds right. Okay. Any questions? Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. Okay. Take care. Are the other people here yet, Gloria? Eight o'clock. 744. Okay. So the Tourism and Economic Development Committee is requesting, five line math is correct, $4,275. What is the will of the committee? So moved. Seconded. Okay. Seconded for 4,275. Any discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. 4,275. So what are they going to do for the website now? Work with the Chamber of Commerce. And work with sponsors. Okay. Which is what every other town does. Makes sense. Okay. So we have some time. Mary Margaret, do you want to? Sure. We can start. So we're going to do the wreck and rink budgets, which are way in the back. Page 181. And Gloria gave you all new budgets. Almost nothing matches what's in the book, what came from the book originally. Hand them out tonight. So, did anybody get them? All right. So if we start with recreation, if you look at the line item 5102, if salaries and wages temp, the increase is due to the increase in minimum wage. And if you look at salaries, this is the very top, salaries and wages, part of that increase is due to shifting the percent that's paid from the wreck. Shifting from the rink to the wreck. Okay. So travel basketball, 528, 925, underfall programs. That $50,000 is mostly for the custodian. And then on line item 5299, where it says credit card processing, it used to be credit card processing and custodian. So that is part of the decrease. Okay. So that money's been moved up to the travel basketball, or 25,000 of it. Right. So also health insurance has gone up. If you look at line item 5706, and the other thing I found out that I did not know is they are, they meaning wreck and rink are still paying health insurance for four retired people. So that's a burden of $150,000 right there. Wow. So I mean they've earned it. They worked the time to earn it. Yeah. It's just it's a heavy burden on an enterprise fund. Let's see what that's going to say about. All right. So if you then look at the revenues, then on line, the reservoir line item 428, 9-1-1, they are raising the fees, the res fees to help cover the increase in minimum wage. And the line just above that, the summer programs, there are more summer, more summer programs. If you look at basketball, I mean at the fall program, I'm sorry. The reason why there was that difference from $65,000 to $35,000 in revenues, because a lot of it was taken out into a separate item for travel basketball. And the same is true for the winter program. So to more accurately to put from where the revenue comes. Okay, so you all had asked me to ask if they were going to replace the spy prime benches. If they have funds available in the spring, they will. And then there's the issue of the gyps, the gyps, the gyps gym. Given that right now that the gym is rented from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. and it brings in annually about $220,000 in that cash according to Joe. So that would be a nice thing to still have and is there going to be an issue depending on what we do with all the folks at the gyps. So they have basketball, they have birthday parties there, Leslie Ellis is there, there's Pop Warner cheerleading and they really need the gyps for programs. However, what they're hoping is that they have two rooms for the preschool that they can keep as the preschool and then use the gym if it's going to be a school after school times be renting out the gym or using it for their programs. So I mean I just bring that up as it's an issue to think about when where does that revenue go if it totally becomes the school. And also the fund balances for June 30th for the rec for 210,478. What was the date on that? June 30th, last calendar year. So I am recommending this budget as presented with the total expenses of $680,023. Total revenues of $681,660 was positive revenue of $1,637. Okay. It was good to have a surplus. Yes. He works hard to make sure that happens. Okay. So is that your motion? Yes. Okay. Second. Okay. What discussion? Brian. I have the insurance budget that they gave us a schedule of offsets which include direct and burns. And this was revised with the new numbers for the health insurance. And it's $51,932. Well I have to tell you this is what Sandy gave me last week. And Sandy gave me this one as well. So I don't know. I can't help you there. Okay. So you had for just the rain plus the $52? No recreation is here. You can take a look at it right there. And that's what's in the insurance budget. That's why. $51,932. You know that wasn't even being the right one from the previous redo. That looks like what was in there. Well this was, this is what they told us. This was what the updated numbers for whatever it's worth. I know. We're going to have to solve that problem. I said it first. Well it doesn't matter. Just at the end of the day they'll have more of a surplus. Right. That's, if we vote this the way it is. I'll have to resolve this. Okay. And there may be some tweaking. We have a motion. Yeah. Okay. So basically Mary Margaret, you have $60,519. Brian, you've got. $51,932. And both, what's interesting is both pages came from Sandy Pooler. Yeah. I mean he sent them to me. I think this was, I think we, I think the one. Okay. Tell you what. Let's discuss the rest of it. We can vote it. And then you two straighten it out with Sandy. And you know if we need to make a change we can go back and make a change. Yeah. And I'm looking at this. That number looks like the number that was in the original RAC health insurance. But it's been changed twice since then. This is the other one. Yeah. Whatever. I understand. I'm curious. Yeah. Okay. I mean none of these spreadsheets are linked together. They have no relationship with each other. Except when you remember to type the same number of four different plugins. You know it's the same that we have with Water and Sewer. Yeah. Okay. So we can move on. We can move on. Okay. Let's do recreation. Oh. Okay. And again I asked that you give a call to Sandy and find out what the discrepancy is. Okay. And if we have to come back you know just really only have changed a couple of numbers. Right. And do that. So any other questions on any questions on recreation? That was easy. No questions. Monkey wrench into the whole thing. Okay. Why don't we like why Brian said if it's this way it's we still got a surplus. If if Brian's if the other numbers are correct we got a bigger surplus. Right. So it's not like it's and it's an enterprise fund. So it's not like it's going to affect the bottom line of the budgets. So are there any other questions on recreation? Okay. Right now the recommendation is for 680 to three expenses. 681 660 on revenues surplus of 1,637 which might get bigger. All those in favor please say aye. Opposed unanimous. Okay. Okay. Great. Yep. Page 189. Page 189 here but it's the handout from today. Yeah. Yeah. There's yeah there's plenty of changes again. All right. So again with the line item 5102 salary and wages temp that increases due to minimum wage the increase from last year to this year or next year. We're looking at we're looking at expenses in line item 5211 well actually let me do 5208 the DCR lease payment that extra amount is due to extra revenue. You have to pay a percentage the way the lease is written you have to pay a percentage of the revenue because we've got more revenue. We have to pay more on the lease payment fee. All right. The energy's got up mostly because the cost of electricity has gone up. If you look at item 5299 otherwise unclassified you see it's not there anymore because it was the payment for the software lease and now they it's included in the kid care program. I'm sorry. The otherwise unclassified used to be the software lease. Okay. Wait a second. I'll have to find that in a second. Well what I wrote down was otherwise unclassified used to be in used to be the software lease and it's that expenses now in the child care program. Okay. Now the health insurance here is 63598. Is that what it is in? No. 52624 but let's just do the same thing. What is it? 52624. You know what? I think they're reverse. So, but I will, I'll still ask them. If there's anything else I wanted to say, say about expenses. Nothing more to expenses. If you look at revenue, most of the programs are increasing and driving more revenue. There seems to be with the concession stand and vending machine, there seems to be a declining interest in food. And they can't explain that whether people are bringing more for their own food, but whatever they've been watching that, that revenue decline. And also the revenue from marketing decline mostly because Hollaback and Coughlin are gone and they were a big advertiser in the ring. So that's basically all I have to say about the expenses. The fund balance in June was $79,021. 79021. So. Okay. Questions? Obviously we still have the same issue with the health insurance. With the health insurance. John. Yeah, just one. How come nothing shows the DCR lease payment in prior years? Because it must have been, I'm assuming it was included in wherever they used to put it. Well, let's see. I don't remember, I didn't ask them because I don't remember where they used to put it, but because it got, it was significant because of the increase in revenue. And I think they just, you know, they pay the payments every, you know, they've been paying these payments all the time, but this one just got big because of the revenue. But I can ask them where they are. What? What's the average rate with the dispute or the timing when the payment started to be some kind of shotgun in the budget last year or something? Yes. And then shut up. Yeah. Was it last year? I thought it was the year before. About whatever. Yes. And I mean we have to work constantly and we're doing things to fix up the rate to accommodate the contract, but because there was a significant increase in revenue, there was an increase in the percentage of the fee we have to pay to them. So is this the total amount that's, for the least payment, or is this the addition because of the increase in revenue? In other words, is the bulk of it still somewhere else or are they pulling the whole thing out? I think that this is just what they have to pay. But let me, I have to ask that because I don't remember what year we had to make those extra payments and when we had to start paying them back. Because the contract was we would fix up the rate for them, but they also mandated what we had to fix and when and then we thought that the contract started when it was signed, but it actually started when we first started negotiating it. So there was a big lag between negotiation and signing. And this wasn't the other, the previous family. Yeah, I don't remember. So I will ask, since I have to ask about health insurance I'll ask them again if this is solely it and if there's anything else. I thought when we talked about this at the time when we took the regal I think the majority of what we paid what I called a portable rent was the capital improvement that we were required to make on the bill which is like, I thought it was a lot of money. It was a lot of money. Yeah. And then last year our profit was this sort of incremental amount. I thought it was like $10,000 a year that they didn't think they had to start paying until this year we had to start paying last year. Right. So I forget how we bridge that funding out we either transferred money there or we did something. And then this year it's like the payments don't start to fall whether it's a percentage of sales over a threshold or something like that. I think we've always probably been understanding that we never needed big money and we thought we were done like $10,000 to $15,000. Right, fast. Okay, so I think that sounds That sounds right. So there was a really long lag time like almost a year between the way when we took it on and when we physically signed it and they signed it back I guess maybe about a year. Okay, so maybe this is just the first payment. Okay, could you check on that and get back to us on Wednesday? Okay, other questions? Do I have a motion? I move that second. Second. Okay, moved and seconded any further discussion? Okay, so we're looking at these numbers 640-1944 expenses 642-640 for revenues surplus of $700 which of course in a weird way is in parentheses. And then if the health insurance number turns out to be the other number we'll simply reduce those and Mary Margaret will get back to us on if this was the first lease payment to the state. Yeah, because I should note it if I remember correctly on the revenue the first line is actually coming to the general fund so the rate continues to run a pretty decent size annual deficit because if you recall they can cover operating expenses but they can't cover the capital expenses so we transfer $83,000 to then re-send to the capital budget. That's right. Okay, any other questions? Yes, Carolyn? Well the only ones you can turn yourself with are the recreation because those are the because those are the enterprise funds. Everybody else is under the you know, general fund. And I mean obviously Water and Sewer raises their own so they take care of their capital. Recreation really doesn't need to very much. AYCC doesn't need to and Council on Aging doesn't need to so it's really the rink is the one exception. But the rink is the one we are a problem with because DCR hits us twice because first they made it to all these improvements and we didn't lose the rink but then they cap where we can charge in other ways. So we can't raise the revenue to cover the debts. That's right. So we had to make a decision several years ago do we want to keep a rink or do we not want to keep a rink? Yes, everybody's right. I mean our guys didn't make it to the Super 8 this year but they almost did. Okay, there are any other questions? Okay, all those in favor of the 700 surplus? Yes. Please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay and then we'll Mary Margaret again we can get back to you on Wednesday on those two issues. Anonymous? Okay, so that takes care of those two and right now we have a proclamation. So are they hearing? Gloria, there you are. Okay, so welcome. The stuff that we brought just introduced ourselves. My name is Linda Hansen. I'm a teacher in 10 here and the president of the Arlington Education Association. I'm Kirstie Allison Anthony. I'm the budget chair of the school committee. And last year Kirstie and I undertook the project of trying to help educate people on the work of the foundation review commission to help people understand how the state is funding education and some work maybe that they could do to improve the funding of education. And so what we're here to talk to you about tonight is state funding for education the current level of funding is inadequate to the need and to provide some information to help you understand the work done by this legislative commission to attempt to quantify the discrepancy. And we have it on good authority that you prefer short presentations so this will be very short. It was 25 slides, we're down to nine. So really we're trying to give you some background information that we hope will help you come to the decision to support the resolution that Mr. Tosti just mentioned. So we need to start out with just really briefly what is the foundation budget? The foundation budget really is just a way that the state tries to determine what an appropriate level of funding is to provide adequate education for all of our students. And once they've done that there's another series of calculations that they perform to figure out what share of that base level of money will be spent by the town and what share by the state. So for the last seven years we've been trying to push through a bill that would create a commission to really review the way that the foundation budget is established and that finally happened last year as part of the FY15 state budget process. So the purpose of this review commission was to determine the educational programs necessary to achieve the Commonwealth's educational goals, to review the way the foundation budgets are calculated and make recommendations for potential changes. And really and most importantly I think to review the changes in education over the last 20 years and the services necessary to prepare students to achieve passing scores on the MCAS but really to prepare students to meet our state standards including our graduation requirements. So the foundation budget was first created in the 1993 State Education Reform Act and so it's been more than 20 years since it's been seriously reconsidered and the idea in establishing this commission was to update the formula to meet the needs of the 21st century. One of the main things under discovery or under kind of that they were reviewing was this thing called the achievement gap. The realization that it costs a lot more money to educate students who have English as a second language have learning disabilities and children that come from a low income background than it does to educate students of middle and high income from middle and high income communities that don't have any of these other factors. And that schools with large numbers of these what they're called high need students would need a lot more money to reach the same level of achievement as middle and higher income students. So the four major factors that the foundation budget review commission considered were health insurance, special education related costs related to students that have English as a second language and the additional costs needed to bring low income students up to the same level as everybody else. So Linda left me kind of the easy part which is the findings because I think most people can kind of guess where the findings are going to end up for health insurance cost savings that are significantly underestimated in the foundation budget for special education costs are significantly underestimated because districts have more students in special education than the foundation budget estimates and because the district spends significantly over foundation budget estimates in out of district tuition costs. And finally in ELL they found a high variance of costs depending whether you're educating elementary middle or high school secondary student levels were especially underestimated. So the recommendations followed from their findings. Health insurance they recommended that we increase the amount for health insurance. Special education they recommended to increase the assumption for special in district special education enrollment and also increase the out of district special education cost rate. For ELL they recommended increasing the increment for all grade levels to the middle school level. And for low income they recommended increasing the increment in districts that had high concentrations of low income students. So if you go and take these estimates and look at what the difference would be in Arlington we looked at what the desi desi had pulled together the estimates from the projection of the report and using those numbers if they use the new formula we would receive additional chapter 70 money to meet these new requirements 3 million 400,000 498,000 we get an extra hundred 110,000 for ELL funding. It's not clear if any of the low income changes would affect us because we aren't a high concentration district but the total increase would be approximately 3.6 million dollars. And that's on top of the 10.7 million that we currently receive in chapter 70 funds. So it's a significant difference. So going on to the next steps what we're trying to do is to push the budget what we and a lot of other school committees around the state are trying to do is to push the legislature to fully fund the recommendations of the FBRC report. To do this the suburban coalition began a resolution the title is chapter 70 resolution but it's about the foundation budget we didn't print that out for you I had it forwarded to all of you a few days ago but it basically goes into a lot of these things and then the recommendation and the resolution part is to fully fund the foundation budget recommendations to date as of yesterday 17 Board of Selectmen 11 Fincoms and 64 school committees have passed this resolution across the state. So any questions? So can you do the work to figure this out? Work to figure what out? The numbers. I took the numbers from the estimates that Desi had provided after the initial report came out the preliminary report Desi ran calculations and I was able to obtain a copy of that and looked at what Arlington's were. Paul. I assume this is affecting virtually every city and town in the state? To different degrees but yes. So to the issue of different degrees how does Arlington stand generally better than average worse than average? I've done some preliminary analysis I have to go back and cross check that so you have to take these with a grain of salt but we ran I took everybody calculated the percent that increase that they would see versus the amount that they currently get and then rank them by that percentage were around 11 12 percent percentile so we're near the top but we're not in the top what was interesting was seven or eight of our 12 comparable towns were also in that and they were all actually most of them were higher than us so it's the factors that we've chosen for to make our comparable set somehow are affecting what Chapter 70 money we're getting and so for our comparable towns it's really important to pass this and what would the total cost statewide be to implement this? $500 million for the two major recommendations that came out as kind of the top two things that the foundation budget review commission thought should be funded initially thank you what was that number again? $500 million for the benefit of the millions of years at home could you just summarize a little bit about how Chapter 70 is calculated with factors going in the number? what Chapter 70 is? basically so and how it relates to the foundation budget are you interested in that as well? so basically the foundation budget is how much money the state thinks should be provided for students to meet an adequate level of education educational outcome and then Chapter 70 looks at the relative wealth of a community basically as well as other factors to determine again what the split should be Chapter 70 looks at to determine relative wealth they look at the total value of property in your town and does it use income? I think it uses income they modified it a few years ago okay it's very complicated is there currently a differentiator let's say that differentiates between students on IEPs ELL students and others that falls into the foundation budget calculations and yes there is currently they're done in different there are some changes in how those calculations are done in that are proposed in the foundation budget report but there are different amounts but they were found to be inadequate and needed updating basically it seems like the cost of special education is increasing faster than the cost of general education and I'm wondering if that's taken into account so that a town that has a higher percentage of people of students special education programs can get a proportion increase in aid or if this would change that or improve that situation they don't look so much at how many students you actually have in special education they make the blanket assumption that all towns have the same percentage of in district and out of district students for out of districts they assume 1% that's right it went from 15 to 16 so it's more a state average they look at the state average but they don't then go and say does your town actually reach that so one of the 25 slides that we dropped was the issues that we have with the report this is one of the things they didn't pick up and we think it would be important for our went in but at this point just getting their recommendations would make a big difference we're looking for the state to take more responsibility for children who need more expensive education and I was wondering to what extent these recommendations addressed that we were disappointed that that was not addressed as fully as we would like some movement in the right direction but it didn't go all the way there Dean so we seem to be fighting this over a decades long battle with the legislature who for some reason just decided that general government aid chapter 70 I guess is not their responsibility unless they feel generous enough to give us whatever they want to give us do you have any thought since you've been involved in this why they frankly just don't care like I mean I get a lot from our own state aid perspective we combine these and there's some years it goes up 1% 3-4 years I think it went down is there any reason that they don't feel that we think of the legislature that don't have any urgency on issues like this fully funding schools to the level that just in general, yeah I have some ideas honestly I guess the the politic answer is there are always more needs than they have money for but really I think if you kind of follow the data what it shows is there's an erosion of state money towards all of the services and over time there's now less money that go towards education funding for instance than there was 10 years ago and there doesn't seem to be a large appetite to say we need more revenue in order to fully fund the things that we say we should do I'd agree with what Linda said but also point out that there's a lot of towns that don't have nearly the problems that we do that don't have as high concentrations of either out of district special education students or so they're not as poorly served by the current formula and not that they don't I think see the same difficulties and so their legislature don't aren't getting the same message that we're giving ours that we're really hurting I'm not sure that they're hurting quite as much I think one other thing I want to add about state funding in particular is that you have the foundation budget that's split between the town and the state and the towns can add on top of that if they want to through property taxes you know an additional and I think what you've seen for sure since probably two and a half is that wealthier towns have added more and more local property taxes to offset the state funding being pulled away so it's really creating a less equitable distribution of funding of school systems and you know Arlington's a tough spot because we don't necessarily have the capacity continue to raise the money through property taxes whether or not that's a good way to do it I don't know like this is you know this is more towards saying that's really the state responsibility to be picking up more of the tab for funding I think that is one of the things we've seen so that relieved some of the pressure like person was saying on the legislature to fix it at the state level because municipalities are making it up at the you know through property tax increases do you have any ideas no I mean I just you know because when I was sort of looking into this I mean I know we've talked in the finance committee a lot about issues with local aid and chapter 70 and things like that and I think what shocked me is if you go back to 2010 I mean they were years with the state budget was going up five six percent I mean it's been flipping along and then you look at the local aid now should I never I mean I know when we were getting large and they were just really bad I never correlated to what the state budget was going up until I started looking into this it was a hauling I mean you know we were just flipping along at the same level as the state budget we'd be doing right we'd be a lot better than we're we're doing now but it seems like here this scenario where at least the way I look at it when I was comparing it to benchmarking it where the state budget goes up a lot we go up a little the state budget goes up a little we go down and that's just like just terrible with that but I do thank you for I do want to say that as an editor I do thank you for doing this work and looking into this because I think the one thing that is a little I think frustrating is I do feel in some ways the legislature has just worn people out I mean like back in 2002, 2003, 2004 we got some of those big cuts that came through it was like people were angry and mad and like had a motivation to send letters and log a legislature and stuff like that but I think over the course of a decade they've just worn people down into believing that you know that it's okay like you said do not fund this stuff and then you know while the taxpayers have to make it up we go right to stuff like that and I think we have to have some discussion about that it's just not a long term which is not a vital solution and I would like to say maybe in closing that you know I think a lot of us who were paying attention were really excited that this commission finally went off the ground it got created by an act of the legislature they did good work they came up with reasonable conclusions but in order for this not to be just another report that sits on a shelf we really need to build the political will to put this into action it would make a big difference for Arlington three and a half million extra dollars a year would make a big difference so we're asking for you to please consider passing the resolution thank you for your time Paul? I'll see you all night do you have to know what the number would be for Minuteman so much that you know I'm sorry because that affects our town budget too so David? As a former member of the Allen School Committee this discussion has been going on for as long as I was on the school committee I've been off the school committee for over 13 years part of the problem is that under the special ed special as a mandated program by an act of legislature it was unfunded and you're right towns such as Arlington have been left to determine how much money to go to the voters rather than so the chapter 70 money is less for a town like Arlington in a sense well they have they're wealthy enough to go to the voters and that's been an argument they base on property values medium income a rate of different things but the discussion has been around for a long time with this committee and the committee has come back and said look at this is what the communities need that's taken a long time to do it has, seven years it's been talked about so just to get it out of committee and get a vote on it to actually create the commission so it was supposed to be happening every year for when for 1993 so that's right I guess I don't quite understand what you're asking us to do are you asking to create the resolution no, the proclamation there was handed out think of it the support thank you so that looks the same as this I don't think that looks a little different it's the one you gave us that's right handed it out I forwarded one so down to answer there's also a resolution that school committees finance committees and board of selectments have signed so we can make sure that you have a copy of this as well the ask was to sign on to this resolution and become another body that's endorsing the resolution that basically just asked the legislature to fully fund the work of the foundation budget review commission that's the ask okay so this is what the chairman handed out when the school committee was here that's a different thing this was separate this was totally separate from the school committee budget presentation I know that but he handed out the proclamation but I think isn't that the same this was the one signed by the board of selectments I think it's the same information it just is in a slightly different form okay you sent this out by email it was I've seen that Gloria sent it to us on March 24 I thought you might want to read it beforehand I thought this was it other questions Brian I assume you spoke to our state reps they came and met at school committee and heard a lot about this unfortunately I was sick that day so I wasn't in on that conversation but they've been hearing it from us both in person and by email and they're all in favor of it I was there I watched it on Tiki I forget they are all in favor of it there was this idea that maybe they fund 25% of it a year so instead of doing it all at once maybe 25% a year so that was basically what they were saying was probably the most feasible thing to do but they said they would follow up with it they said they're in support of it okay other questions the okay two questions were you expected we're going to come up with $500 million because I have an idea where they might come from certainly I've been wondering if they would just decrease the unrestricted government aid but so then that is a concern with the talk about how important that is it's hard to see how they could do you know talk about how important it is for towns that have unrestricted aid and simultaneously decrease it the other thing is if in 2018 the millionaire fair share tax passes that would be $2 billion $2 billion annually through the millionaire fair share tax increase that would be one way to raise revenue and it's supposed to all be targeted at education public education and transportation so that would fully fund it basically right now other questions because that would be my big fear they just dip into unrestricted okay any other questions on this okay well thank you very much for coming we appreciate it okay I don't know about you guys but I just got this and figured this is what we were dealing with so why don't everybody take a look at this the memo on March 24th that was what it was everybody take a look at the March 24th email and see what you think because it seems to me I might have skimmed it but I don't think it did talk about they're materially the same the board of select put their own touches by adding the word and a whole bunch of time and then they decided to put their own names at the beginning of the second page but otherwise one we got has some commentary on it but they're not wildly different okay okay so and Wednesday we'll discuss it and vote on it sometimes how much this does you can go to our local reps and they're good people but cheer houseways and means ain't no way we can afford this and of course we're beating your head against the wall okay those were our two hearings so let's get back to budgets insurance okay so this question I want to be sure that everybody has the most up to date final insurance okay and the best way to look at this is on the total change in the bottom right hand corner 3.45% if it doesn't say that I have extra copies and I can pass it on to you I'm sorry this is the total increase just so we can differentiate it from a bunch of sheets that have been replaced it's a 3.45% overall change okay so we take the original and which was 3.29 correct and we take the second draft which was 3.33 yes and we go with 3.45 correct okay yeah you kill how many trees how many trees I just had two more trees so the fincom finance subcommittee composed of myself Brian Carillon and Charlie met with Karen Malloy head of Human Resources and Sandy Fuller and what I thought I'd do is take a look at some of the changes is maybe just hit upon a couple of that or kind of the main drivers if you will of the budget that they're seeking to have approved so if we go to line 5704 which is insurance group health that's a GIC and their request should read 15,105,907 which is a 4.64% increase from last year's budget so the main drivers of this line basically are changes and most generally an increase in overall insurance pre-games and there are 43 plans that the group insurance contract works with and each one of these has their own increase or decrease and then each one of these plans has so many employees that ticked plan A with Fallon, plan B with Fallon so it's very hard to calculate what is the increase in premium this year but the best way to figure that out if you want to is to go to page 4 and page 4 really breaks down in detail each of the insurance companies and their premiums page 4 should be a little I'll type this and for more specific more specifically if you look at page 7 and these are the rate changes for individuals and families listed by healthcare providers so something we need to go into this right now just gives us a way for what drives the request and that's one of the reasons and the other one is basically when there's a change in number of employees so for example in the coming year there will be 17 new teachers and three other new town employees and these are both budgetary factors that increase this line there's also been an increase in addition of another contractor within the GIC Harvard HMO and that is going to service up to 30 contracts so it's increasingly growing there's new growth there's expansion within the teachers, staff and employees and then there's increases in the increases in the premium rates themselves by contrast but the budget loss last year in comparison to the year before 2016 to 15 there was a 10.8% increase and the year before that it was 2.1 so it's kind of all over the board but the thing is that I thought impressive upon our meeting is that Karen and Sandy really are very meticulous and very complete in providing us detailed information about what goes into coming up with a request the other one that I want to mention is the employee health mitigation fund there's a drop there of 200,000 of the change there's actually no request for year 2017 and the reason is is simply that the goal was to get up to one million dollars and they accomplished that so hence there's no additional request for this year now that 20 million is that like for all the cities and towns or the 20 you said 20 you reached a sort of 1 million 1 million that was part of the plan to help entice the the town employees to go to the GIC the setting up of that fund and to help pay for their out-of-pocket costs and that still exists so it's one of our first comfort services and that in a sense seems to be working pretty well there are ones that want to opt out I won't go into details of that but if we can talk about that if you want the opt out program is really what it costs the town of Arlington if a employee wants to go to a plan outside of the GIC and it could be to become part of their spouses plan if that offers a good deal but the cost for one of these plans to the town is 10 to 12 thousand dollars per employee so they pay one to two thousand dollars for somebody who opts out of the plan it really makes good economic sense and if it doesn't sound like it does because at the end of the day they're able to save quite a bit of money so I'm just going to drop down to the request which is a 3.45 request per site request for 2017 and a budget of 15 million 894 or 742 and I'll put that out for a vote if anybody has more questions I'll try to answer them for you could you go into the opt out again so if we pay them a bump sum and then they leave for a certain number of years they get an annual fee they get an annual stipend two thousand dollars a year if they're single four thousand if they're married and they get it every year so long as they don't take part in the town's health insurance programs so if they're married we pay them four thousand dollars a year or the option would be they'd be on a family plan which could cost us fifteen thousand a year so again it was more enticement to get everybody to come over to the GIC originally and they will continue a visit it obviously saves the town money okay Cameron if I remember correctly that is no longer an offer to new employees it's only an offer to the employees they're on free it's not that they have switched to the GIC it's not that they have switched to the GIC it's that they choose not to switch to the GIC and they went on someone else's plan correct it was only people who were in school at that time at that time that was negotiated to individual contracts it started with SAX it started with teachers but as you can see there's still a budget for that as there may be somebody in the future that wants to opt out and then go on to the spouse's plan because it's a better view of who can cross to a shield yes okay questions obviously this is a big ticket item it seems so far that the GIC is still the gift that keeps on giving she did point out that they're now at the levels the insurance cost is now at the level that was and we reverted to the GIC on the original savings so it's actually but theoretically if we were to state on the other plan it would probably be another 5 million dollars a year additional one thing that she mentioned also is that versus independent plans the GIC typically has higher deductibles and this in fact keeps the premiums lower and the premium increases also on the lower end we make a lot to look for a new company for example the average is the talent pays 78% towards the total premium and the employee pays the 22% remainder this new deal with the Harvard HMO is a 75 25 split so the talent saved a little money so I think they're really searching on how they run this other questions John could you explain the third page not page 3 does not have page number on it but the trust fund the health plan well my understanding is there's still a health insurance trust fund that exists from when we were self-insured correct and even though there's no discussion at all right now about moving to a self-insured insurance model the thinking is to start something like that you need significant funds and that's the big reason why the health insurance trust fund is just kind of sitting there so if there is a discussion in the future about moving back to self-insurance they have a little bit of a head start this is basically the town's money at this point and if you look at the top and it has little captions they're 01 you'll see there's a $300,000 number that was last year's contribution to the OPEP because that is basically taking care for the retirees so they are using it for that purpose but technically I'm not sure how we actually get our hands on this fund but it does belong to the town at this juncture other questions okay do I lost chance I think this is the time and we also the next year for the other insurance items in the budget in the liability unemployment workers fund that's another budget yeah that's a different page that's not part of this okay so are you recommending $15,894,742? I am recommending that is there a second? okay Dean actually I have a question on my $57.04 the budget at $14.4 million where do you think that's going to come in? $14 for this year $26.10 did we ask for that question? could you repeat that? on GLI $57.04 insurance group house budgeted FY16 number $14.4 million correct I think that's going to come in is it going to come in under? I mean close to it well I can say that every day we waited for the big crates to come in you're getting closer and closer but I don't think there's any way to know exactly where it's going to end up we still have what two more months to the end of this fiscal year right so it should be close do we know what they're running? I don't know what the dollar amount is but I know what she said she's tracking the number of employee contracts and that's not changing the number of employees contracts we must have 1900 contracts contracts made employees employees retirees subscribe us to the insurance here hang on is there an open enrollment window restricted dates? there is I don't know what it is I have a list of that there is some employees if you are a current employee you'll say for instance that you now decided to go into the GAC there's an open period for that but a new employee for his time that's open so most of the contracts are set hold on one person at a time Dean so here's what I'm trying to get when I look at the insurance line it says it's going up 4.64% so my first instinct on that is writing more school employees writing a couple more town employees three more town 4.64% premium budgetary that would make the premium increase even more that's why I said there are two main drivers to this one being the premium rate increases for changes and also increases in the number of contracts for employees that come in right so then I'm going to do seven because that's the only place I can find the rate of a dollar and except for a hard to fill of a choice in the making this up everyone else is going up on more than 4.64% and people are moving around in different plants as people's rates rise they're dropping into a cheaper plan I'm not sure which page it is she has 30 new contracts coming in to the new year so that she's added 30 contracts where she doesn't actually have the employees yet that's the 283471 yes for new growth right well it could also be whether they changed their plan if their kids aren't covered anymore they're not in a family plan families are keeping their kids on until they're 26 I know but still that could be one way or they become single so that who's being covered could also change okay the fluctuates it's a moving target okay so the numbers will have to be we'll have to nail down still those differences on the enterprise funds as far as Allen's budget I think in terms of are you talking now about the offsets yeah for Bracken Ray so the offsets on this budget the 722161 that is a revision from what it had been before and the 722161 that was the latest figure to come from Sandy right but mine were the latest figures to come from Sandy okay well okay so Mary Marbury if you're you know maybe you guys could do a conference call with Sandy just so you're both here in the same thing so we could nail this down you just jumped into this in late January so you could understand why it's a little confusing so if you two could get together and call directly in that way we'll get the same answer on that maybe okay now are you also making a recommendation on the liability or should we take that separately I am and on the liability page I think it looks good the way it is okay so that number is in the original book of $1,045 $1,045 okay and that's your recommendation that's a recommendation one thing of significance was that the property insurance has been wobbled for three years the workman comp increase of $50,000 is the result of increase in rates workman's not rates okay does anybody have any questions on liability insurance Brandon I think the answer is a negative one Sandy provided a nice roadmap of the offsets for the previous budget did he use such a roadmap for the offset for the $20,000 here I suspect that's very common it's a fair question it's interesting we spent the time we had with them probably 95% on health insurance so I can certainly find out if it's okay so are you making a motion on the group health insurance for $15,000,000 $894 $742 yes and on the liability for $1,045 correct is there a second to that second okay any further discussion okay and you're going to get back to is on the the offsets the offsets and and you and Mary Margaret will get back to us on the the rank and the rack and I'm assuming grant the $576,828 is what water and sewer is the roadmap you're talking about for the general there are some other discrepancies small numbers that they cleaned up I believe the $722 $161 is the final number but those apportionments haven't trickled down to the other budgets yet but they're small numbers okay is there any further discussion I think I finally figured it out so if I'm going to change this is on the handout yeah I finally figured it out I knew Dean if you gave me enough time they're projecting this project but it says FY16 appropriation of $1597 spent a year to make it $1178 and then they project out the $1509 so it's not a deficit they don't project a deficit when we see if we're going up 4.64% we're probably going up more we're just going up awful it looks like this year is coming in hundreds the next year is coming in and it's highly important for what they're doing particularly the surplus plus the grocery to get where they're going it makes more intuitive sense the way you expect health insurance to be when you add the rates in the bodies good okay any other discussion or questions okay I'll just take one vote for both this will be $15894.742 for the health insurance and $1,045 for the liability insurance all those in favor of those please say aye closed unanimous FY28.16 okay insurance is now done now we come to the last budget and it is water and silver it is water and silver water and silver always the last why was I going being too subtle so Sandy did in fact give us the new budgets and the number of us do in fact pay out to that offset sheet that Alan just asked about of course overall I guess it's still a mystery but water and silver budgets you're caught up right other than the unemployment which Sandy's going to come back to me so what we're just going to do hand passing around one of the things Sandy did on this according to Alan's suggestion was he did in fact put a date down at the bottom because this happened to coincide but I also got from the director of DPW Mike Rademacher and they were different so we elected to go with the most recent one with the date on the bottom and that one includes the health insurance offset the only change between this and the book are the indirect charges between retirement costs and the health benefits which are granted but just to interrupt Alan is the numbers of your budget the same as these new ones yes I cheated I got this a few days ago and insisted on having to put the date down on the bottom so we knew which one we're looking at I probably got them on March 24th so so this budget's pretty level set the whole way through there's not a whole lot of changes in it if we're taking a look at the sewer collection system everything's pretty flat on this so the workman's cost and the unemployment compensation cost that's the question I have into into Sandy they're the same every year and they just know where they tie out to the only thing to make difference about this one and the water distribution system and the indirect charges they usually have 50-50 of each one except in this case workman's comp and unemployment compensation isn't again we'll have Sandy may make a impact about what they represent and why they're the same and how they tie into the rest of the budget the rest of the town budget now the indirect costs if you're taking a look at still on indirect charges account 5903 the indirect cost which is a non-PW admin offset if you notice that increased but that's within the margin so this is the this is that algorithm based on that algorithm that Andrew Flanagan sent a memo out to Dean and myself about how they have recommended allocations and that's what they perform so that's what the number comes out to be I have a separate sheet on that if somebody wants you know the breakdown and how the salary offset indirect costs are explained but they do in fact tie up sewer costs sewer collection expenses are the same you know everything everything's pretty pretty cut and dry on that I had asked Mike about the salary decrease in collection equal to the these two budgets go together sewer collection and the water distribution system are usually tied together so the salary and wages decreased by a certain amount but they were also offset decreased again in water sewer properties I know it's skipping around but the budgets are tied together Mike's explanation on that was also based on the offset calculation salaries actually both salaries were decreased as he said so I don't have anything any of the notes on sewer collection let me see how do we have on the collection I had originally a question on collection retirement but they have since adjusted that number and that's reflected in the new budget so taking one at a time I would propose that we approve this budget for the total and I can't even read the bottom of the new one but it looks like 625 585 that's a subtotal that's not even a subtotal 625 625 625 that's just a subtotal I can't even read the bottom of the last one so I'll have to get the ridgeline it's actually I believe the number on the one hand is there it's hard to read total is $19,975 right they did the copying okay yeah $19,975 the last page it's not broken so we have to summary the bottom of the next last page but that's the total of the entire entire budget we can that's the problem yeah I think we could go just to the bottom $19,975 $567 which is both the same revenue and expenditures coming out in the surplus surplus well more than that I also point out that there's $107,000 of retail retained earnings that we haven't used for a couple of years and those are going to ask if we're not with the balances so I actually checked with the controller Mike didn't have that I asked him that last year but I didn't ask him that this year so he didn't have it ready so it's sort of lost $107,000 but he estimated the balance is like $4.5 million that sound right? okay, Graham could you go back to the controller if somebody can give me an exact one balance of $6.30 to $15,000 yeah again I met with Mike this afternoon so we didn't have a chance this evening so we didn't have a chance to ask the controller about what we're doing tomorrow are there any new significant projects underway or well the I guess part of the thing so the capital equipment what they did this year is they bought a bought a mini-escavator this year, last year they bought a truck the water meter replacement project it kind of hit a stall because they're having submissions with the supplier I think he said due to programming issues they need to be resolved by the vendor the meter reading replacement got put on hold so they're going to try and pick it up again next year once this is all being resolved for an upcoming year so that's resuming the water meter replacement the whole idea of that is to try and capture more accurately the amount of water usage the major issue on Mike's radar this year was I guess nip this there's some environmental storm sewer stormwater permitting going on the oversight is going to increase and that's going to increase Mike's concerns that increases not only the testing of the water as is all storm sewer related but also if we encounter any repair that has to be done that could go it's very hard to predict the actual cost of repair so while the the testing amount the money required to do the testing is going to increase because they have to I guess test 25% of the fights annually but then if they find any repairs that's just going to it's just so hard to predict whether the cost to cover that and the MWRA loans are probably not going to cover that because it's a different type of leak in the storm storm sewers they only really cover the sewer systems any questions Alan I think it was just last week legislature appropriated a bunch of money for the MWRA loans for the lead pipe replacement that was all like a week ago was there any discussion of that I believe Arlington was on the list of qualified borrowers I don't know if we have any lead pipe in town you know Mike spent a little bit of time explaining about the fiasco about Flint and then he said that we had no need to worry about anything about that in Arlington but he didn't mention anything about that I always get nervous when somebody says that right it was interesting apparently they had put an additional additive in there that took out part of the corrosive build up and that exposed the lead so it's a two part mistake on that but I guess we're not putting any additive in there but he didn't mention about that and then if we have lead pipe there's no money available that's probably too soon and that would be on the border I guess as he could certify or he could be rest assured that all the public pipes might be lead free but then you got all the pipes that go from the middle of the street to your own house my house was built probably 1880 1888 so any house constructed after 1980 was probably fine but all those other houses they don't know I wonder if they know what's in there I think that's what the loan program was specifically for was the last mile with your house I'm sorry Dick you said you look at your video where you connected to the street where they connected you can tell if it's a lead or a problem it's not your basement there'll be a meter you can visually see the pipe I'm sorry can you see the pipe just scratch it okay scratch mine let's really swap it'll sort of tap it with something metal and we'll go to the fire instead of a clock can you try I'll try okay other questions Peter originally there was a promise that you would just agree of using the individual customer greetings to encourage people to be more efficient or applying leaks for them or whatever is that anywhere on well that's the water replacement the meter replacement that would make the meters more efficient but you could still have leaks all over your house they could since they have all this stuff digitized now supposedly I guess really it would be possible to look for houses that were particularly out of line had a change from last year where were they water coming in versus water going out no just the amount of water usage the meters would kind of the older meters are very inaccurate my understanding is I'm talking about use of the data that's collected from the water meters new oral the systems were digitized there a few years ago so somewhere at least temporarily there's a record of everybody's meter readings for example like a gas company does for example like a gas company does you there is a personal motivation the longer you use because the water rate is progressive the more you use the more you pay for gallon but when a new meter program came in we certainly talked about if they notice all of a sudden your water consumption double they're going to say you might leak so I don't know what's happening but in theory you're right with the new metering system and the more frequent reading they can tell a big change which might come back to you and say oh you're pooping or you have a pipe but I don't know if they're doing it but if you remember our big our big challenge tends to be the concept of unaccounted for water and I think we've seen it over the years where before they started replacing the pipes we had that remember we had that really big number like 40% of all water was unaccounted for and then I think sort of the combination of replacing the older pipes and like Peter said the metering technology that numbers really come down pretty significant I don't think we're Las Vegas I remember and it was not this DPW director I thought one of the prior DPW directors might have referenced to like Las Vegas Nevada having only like 2% or 3% unaccounted for water I don't think we're that right we're not the middle of a desert but I think that I think that's the point all around the more you get that number down the better it back in the lower it will more the water is accounted for the lower the rates will go at least maintain at the level okay are there any other questions on the water and sewer project Ryan? Reven is for this year do they expect more or less so they've been collecting what is the expectation the expectation is about the same but we had been using I guess the demand for water I guess the note I had from last year is that we're using more water than we did last year but relative to the other towns we're actually using less so we're using a little bit more but everyone else is using more so the revenues will be up? well at the same time what he's also saying is that there's that contra effect that the more since the rates are going up and there were sort of yes the revenue would say about flat level it's kind of like we encourage conservation but if people conserve too much you have to raise the rates because it's a fixed cost but yes they do expect to be relative to flat no need for any raises that was yes any other questions? okay so your recommendation is for $19,975,567 is that your motion? yes it is second any further discussion? all those in favor of that aye? opposed? things and I don't think budgets are one arm but they require a revoke so bottom line is the same any other I was about to here's all the budgets I want to send this out to the reviewers meaning the front part the word part so if you find any corrections misspellings if you don't mind writing these please be gentle please get back to me by then and then we will go to print literally that right at the people 13 if you see any problems please go through them this week with the budgets please get down on those okay so article 44 ten counts footnotes if I said 16 or I should have said 17 okay so the the only thing under 44 we had was the Arlington tourism and economic development which we did vote is there anything else there? we voted each individual item do you have a bottom line? the other three but you did 16 yes so for article 44 it's 29,835 dollars total I think we've all voted the individual but somebody make a motion second all those in favor total for article 49 29,835 dollars is there any other? article 44 the only reserved 200,000 is 200 okay so article 52 but when we finish this first then I okay so article 52 all the way reserved that the sum of 200,000 dollars being here by appropriated we transferred from the only reserved circle so that's the number of the assessment to give us any questions on that? okay this is just money left over from the prior year overlays that they don't need anymore so we're just using it to in the setting of the tattoo okay go ahead and motion second all those in favor please say aye aye okay the other one was article 50 the only number that we weren't sure about is C this is the amount that we're transferring from the health insurance trust fund to the old debt fund and you're saying I don't have a C but it's the amount that will be 300,000 okay so that's the amount you recommend me? yes okay is there a second? second article 50 footnote C 300,000 to be transferred from the health insurance trust fund that Bill just described into the OPEB fund which is the same amount I think we've done for the last several years are there any questions on that? okay Carol is that your motion? we're just voting C because we've already voted the other two so this is just C 300,000 from the trust fund into the OPEB fund and that we'll combine that with A 413,000 and B 155,000 which we've already voted okay is there any discussion? oh wait is there a second to that motion? yes all those in favor of appropriating and transferring 300,000 from the health benefits trust to the OPEB fund can we say aye? aye anything else? so 53 the special education we're still waiting for the school committee on that? yeah it's and we're probably going to be waiting about that until early May I I went through a lot of conversations with the controller he finally understood he's going from a city and sometimes they do things differently there so we had to sort of walk through what happened last year and this year so I'm going to we're going to be getting a reserve fund transferring from the school department we'll transfer the 200,000 from the reserve fund into the school department and then they will release staff plus any other money they come up with and then town meeting we'll transfer that from the school department budget this year into the special education stabilization fund so I'll be above board anything else? ok we'll do the fiscal stability stabilization fund probably on April 13th that will be the last week we do it is there anything else? are you going to change that vote in your report mark 53 to vote it later I'll probably just leave it the way it is so people know I just have to fill in a number Karen? someone asked about HR training, what about safety and diversity training and that is already put in for budget and she does that with new employees and then it's done periodically from the school department so that part we just did the OPEP transfer there's an 8.6 thousand dollars that's going into the for IT training around David Goode and Sandy Poole on the IT operating costs of CPA and making sure that they charge the CPA fund that they used in 2016 2017 and if anything was done in 2015, which I don't think it was they'll add those in as well so they're working on that now and that we really don't have to worry about in terms of the budget but that is being addressed and then someone asked about the retirement audit that's done every other year so I have one with me but the next one won't be done until late this year okay, that's it any questions? are there any other business? okay John what about article 6 in the special town meeting in the regional vocational technical school do we vote anything there that I misspent possibly or no that would be April 13 because we're waiting for the special group to study it and make a recommendation come back and say obviously they have to do it very quickly but they've been following the issue right along so the fiscal stability fiscal stability stabilization fund or the overwrite stabilization fund we will vote on April 13 the Minuteman will vote on April 13th and I think one or two items and the School of Enrollment will vote on April 13th so we will be meeting on April 13th and on some fairly big issues but not until then I'm sorry on Wednesday we will be the CBA will be coming before us to present it now as I said before they will be presenting before town meeting we'll just be giving it our blessing or not giving it our blessing or make recommendations and feedback because they haven't voted it yet they'll go after they leave here they'll go and vote it so I believe I sent that to everybody so their recommendations is not terribly big so that will do and then any other corrections or anything please look through and try to give feedback as much as as possible I'd like to see the two Johns and Alan right after the meeting thank you