 A man who knows a little something about egregious calls in pivotal moments. Super Bowl winning head coach, Sean Payton's here up at us. Analyst, Taysom Hill Super Fan, Super Bowl champion, and Bougie Gaza Ranch resident coach Sean Payton, everyone. Gaza is closed for business. Yeah, they're in the off season now. Yeah, so you found your way to slumming it up in LA. Southern California. Are you enjoying it? We're two days in. We literally just moved here. The boxes are still packed. I got three suitcases unpacked during the game last night. OK. I felt that was pretty good. That's the story. Were you throwing those suitcases at the television? Because I sure was. Here's the deal. Number one, it was a good game. Who do you root for? I don't know. When you're not, when you have, the one thing I've found is when you're not vested necessarily in either team and it's not like an NFC game, when you're coaching or playing, I'm sure every game matters in a certain way. Like you want the Rams to be Dallas, because Dallas records stronger in the end of that kind of thing. Isn't it freeing to just watch an AFC West battle? I'm completely just watching like a normal fan and frustrated the same way. I mean, and I mentioned to you this morning, the roughing the passer call. Like I never go on Twitter. Here's the other thing that's freeing. Like I saw that tweet. If I go on Twitter as a coach and tweet that, I'm getting a call and I'm being fine this morning. Is that right? Oh, absolutely. Let it rip. Fox, I'm sure, loves everything about it. But of course, what he's talking about, if we can take a look here, is Chris Jones, number 95 out there. He takes the ball, Sean. He ends up with the ball. It's a turnover. It's a turnover. But I can explain how this foul was called. OK. So a few years back on the competition committee, one of the rules that we put in was full body weight on the quarterback. And I'm sure that's what the officials saw there from his angle. Yeah. Where would he supposed to go? Well, but the mistake in the officiating there was full body weight. And we looked for both hands coming off the ground. A lot of times, it's a Superman technique. So if I was tackling somebody, and then I lifted both of my hands. All right, let's move the table. All right, no. But what you had there that was different than that was you actually had a strip sack. And you had a fumble recovery. You had a great play by the defender. Understanding what the official was seeing from his angle. So that leaves us to this spot of, man, are we over officiating certain things? And is that right? Well, I think number one, that's easily corrected with replay. And I think that's the number one frustration. When fans have great angles, better angles than officials, that becomes frustrating. Does that make sense? Because the individual that called that foul was flipped on the other side. But we kept seeing the perfect angle. So yeah, they'll get that right. What does that mean? They'll get that right. It should be reviewable is what you're saying, right? When the masses cry out, there's change. And what I mean is the league is very in tune to, and their finger is in the wind. And we saw it a few weeks ago with Tua's injury. And I think we got a little kickback yesterday, or the day before yesterday, Brady's sack in the Atlanta game. Let's take a look at that, Brady Jarrett's sack, because it's a thing, right? And they're over-correcting as we're seeing. We saw it on Sunday. I think it's pretty normal. I think we're always working to not let that happen. But this is just a good football play. It's a normal sack. But this comes, yeah. I mean, everything about this play is plus. Everyone's saying it's because it's Brady. Yeah, I don't think it was because it's Brady. I think it falls a week after Tua's injury, which was kind of the whip throw down. I would say that had more to do with that flag than Tom Brady. It's difficult, especially when, like last night, Kansas City won. So it kind of is on the back burner because they won. But it would have been a lot hotter of a topic today had they lost that game. It's a hot topic when you were on this competition committee, or the three years. Right. None of us have been. What happens behind closed doors? What is the process in actually getting something changed when and mass everybody's saying it needs to be? Yeah, I think at the end of the season, their questionnaires filled out. Each club basically files an opinion with the league. We take that data. We put it together. Obviously, it has to be voted by the member clubs. So if there's 32, there's a number. 27 or 28 votes gets us to a rule change. And then there's a lot of behind the scenes politicking for certain things that you're looking for. I think the one thing that we're going to see hopefully in our lifetime, number one, I think the officials are working their tails off. And they do a really good job. But I would say, as a coach, if I feel like my team has been inconsistent, if I feel like we're not getting the results that I'm looking for, then I would reduce the variables. In other words, I think we've added more to their plate in the last 10 years than in any other time in sport, football, hockey, basketball. But we've added player safety fouls. We've added helmet to helmet, which is very hard to see. We've added so many different things to their plate that, ultimately, it's harder for 17 crews to consistently call the game. There's three penalties that I think are basically the most frustrating for the fan. And right now, it's roughing the passer. It's defensive pass interference, or it's holding. And all the other things we can work through. But those are the three fouls that make up 90% of our issues. We have to find ways to reduce their variables. And then the other thing that I think is going to happen, those that will disagree with me, I don't think most of the football fan base, the NFL fan base, realizes that the NFL officials are not full-time. And I think that's bizarre. I think it's not. By far, the largest sports and most successful sporting event game that we see right now on TV. But in hockey and basketball and baseball, they're all full-time officials. And then you'd say, what are they going to do during the week? Well, when I have a player or a coach in their preparations during the week, and if we added up the hours prior to the game, I want to see at least a similar amount of hours from the officials. And we're not getting that. Today is, what, Tuesday. We have Monday Night Football. Is it Tuesday? Yeah. Somewhere. And I think that. You'd have them work year-round like you do on watching tape, on getting better, sharper. 100%. And here's the thing. I don't want to lose so many of the great officials that have careers right now. And so what I would suggest is that's something we grandfather in over the next 12 years, in the next 10 years. In that we know 10 years from now, they're all going to be. And you know what? That's going to require paying them a lot of money. And we can do that. So then we can ask more from them. And it can become a career rather than, well, I do this as well. I don't think our fans realize that. I think our fans see them as, that's their full-time job. And many of these are their teachers, their firemen, their lawyers, their accountants. They have all sorts of different jobs. There's so much during the week they can be doing in preparation for a game. And that's with film study, with team study. They can be at various practice. I mean, there's a slew of things that we could help improve. You're right, though, because you're putting player safety and wellness on them, which is something they didn't really work out with before. They've never had that. And so when you see a bang-bang play, and then am I calling that defenseless? Am I calling it helmet to helmet? Right. Those are hard to call. They're much easier to find on Tuesday or Wednesday. They're much easier to handle. A lot of times, we'll say, well, let's make that something. We'll address after the fact, because it's too hard to officiate. I think we've increased the variables. And I think we've gotten more inconsistent because of it. You really, I got to tell you, you're very woo-saw. Like, you're very removed from right now. Not removed, but the visor. I'm not pissed off right now. But seriously, like, you are taking up a very pragmatic, reasonable view of what referees are going through, but it's not how coaches, I'm sure, see it in game. You've been, I mean, you literally have been on the bad side of everyone saying this was the worst call they've ever seen. Second. I submit, PI, I'm sure we have it back there in the control room with Nicole Roby Coleman. I mean, this was the worst call than last night, right? This was a difficult call. This call, all right, and I'm going to step away, because we have to ask. And now the blood pressure is going up. This is a shot I need. No, we have to ask the question, why these things happen. And I believe in my heart of heart, this is I'm against the All-Star crew for the playoffs. Sean, you won't even look at it. Sean will barely look at the play. I can't. I'm going to look at camera one. You literally won't look at the play. I'm going to look right into camera one and say this call happened because of All-Star crews. And a young official who sees it, grabs his flag, he acquiesces to the veteran official who's got an awful angle. And the young official who's worked with this official for the first time in his life in this game, then puts the flag back. And that's why I dislike All-Star crews. I want the same crew. I don't want crews like if you and I play golf together every Friday. I kick your ass. We'll talk shit, right? We'll talk smack. Oh, boy. No, can I say that? I don't know. Whatever. All right, whatever. But if we only played golf one time, we would tend to be like friendly and like that's human nature. So when that stuff happens, and you've got, I mean, we were talking this morning about the Titans game, right, where there was a roughing call last year with the Saints. It cost us a play-up. I think we have that one too. We're just really trying to put that on. Maybe we will. But when stuff like that happens, how do you move on with the crew the next couple Sundays you see them? You're like, hey, Jim, how's the family? Yeah. How's the accounting firm? How do you move on? How do you finesse that? This is, look, this cost us a play-off. This is a turnover against Tennessee. It's an interception in the back of the end zone. And it was one of the worst roughing the passer calls ever. And the umpire, I know, does a good job. He just, like, this is a love tap. I have to see that again, Kuscha. Please. How do you fix roughing the passer? In one sentence, how would you fix it? I think we've gone way too far to the right with this. And I think it's, if it's a personal foul, roughing the passer, we can get that video and click back and confirm it in five seconds. If you want to include video replay. If not, I hate the term, we're going to err on the side of caution. I don't want to frickin' err. There's a quote for you. I don't want to frickin' err, Sean Payton. I mean, it's true. Error, yeah. I don't want to make mistakes. So we're not going to err to begin with. We're going to see, I think we can see intent. And I know we're going to stay off the knees. We're going to stay off the legs. And we're not going to burp the quarterback with a fall down, lift our arms up. And we're not going to hit them late. But I don't like the hands that are getting called late to their shoulder pad or that. That's never been a cause of injury. So I just think we've over-re officiated that. Got to take away some of the variables. Simplify it for them and make them full time. Because we can pay them, and we can afford to do so. Yeah, 100%. It's well said by you. You know what else happened last night that really grinded my gears, as one would say? These two-point situations, they're mind-boggling. I'm not a coach. You are. So let's go through it. Last night you had the Raiders, right? They go for two to try to take a lead with four and a half minutes to go. It ended up being the difference in the game. I'm super confused about the aggressive nature of what's going on and the sort of overthinking that seems to go on. Let's start with, was that the right call for the Raiders there with four and a half to go? Yeah, I don't like it. Let me ask this question, though. I'm watching the game, and I love Troy and Joe. Those guys do a great job. There's three times in the game where Troy says, analytics say this is a go. So this is a simple question. Whose analytics says that? Yeah, you have your whole team. But according to who? Like a PFF, probably? Yeah, but I don't trust PFF. No, my point is, though, where do we come up with this? Where is this? We say this like it's a law firm and a beauty pageant contestant, so the Deloitte and Belford are bringing us the results. Like according to PFF or according to analytics, I'm a little bit more skeptical in who's analytics. Because analytics, to me, is not just fourth down or two point plays. Analytics, to me, is stuff we do during the draft. But you love analytics. There's a part of it I do. But when you just randomly say, analytics says, this is the time for, like, we had a whole analytics department. But there's no, my analytics didn't say we go forward here. Was that the right move? No. I didn't like either one of them. And I didn't like the, yeah, I didn't like either one of them. So with what you're seeing, John Harbaugh last week, and we saw Marcus Peters and all of that, what is the perfect way to handle those situations? I imagine you're on the ninth hole at Gaza. It varies. You're thinking, what do I do here in every given situation when it occurs in season? Yeah, it varies based on the game, based on the quarterback you're playing, based on how the game's unfolding and the matchup. Baseball is so much easier with a pitcher and a batter. Two people, we have all the numbers we want. And we know that one's a lefty, one's a righty. We have a lifetime batting average against. We have all those things. One of the more challenging things in football is it encompasses 11 on 11. I remember getting this question once, why didn't you consider going forward there? And I said, were you watching the matchup of my rookie left tackle versus Robert Quinn? Right. And the person, the analytic person said, well, no. I said, well, you weren't paying attention to that matchup. That had a lot to do with me choosing not to go for it. And so I'm not looking at the two-point call sheet sometimes until the fourth quarter. Other times, I might look at it earlier. So. Well, it's getting overly aggressive, especially in facing these star quarterbacks too, right? Like in Holmes and in Allen. We'd love to play those teams then. Well, that's all set. We'll play you. Hey, you're not going anywhere. You are staying put. We've got coffee in your Bob Ross mug over here. I like it. Thank you. Oh, John Pay and can I see your cell phone, please? Can I like to see if David Tepper has called you in the last 24 hours? We'll get to that. I left it in my briefcase. Seriously, Kate, you just threw that out there. Bring out the line detector test. Come here, I'll put my hand down right now. Back with the best NFL analyst in the business. Are you enjoying it? I am. Yeah, what is it? What is your favorite part? I would say when we finished the pregame, first off the people, it's and I've known a lot of these guys and girls because I've only been in the NFC my whole like 25 years as a coach. Shout out to Fox. Yeah. And so I've been in the NFC and I love the time when we've finished the show and the games are on and we're in this giant green room and we're just watching the games. And but there's eight of them on, you know, and then there's going to be a half time segment, then there's going to be a post game segment. But it really is the part that fills being away from a team because when you leave coaching, which I did, then it's like crickets. It's quiet. Like you might go golf. You have your family and your spouse. But it's there's that void of that the club or whatever. And so when we're watching those games, you know, you kind of get that. Yeah, did you leave coaching? Well, I did. And you just asked me how I like being an analyst. Yeah, so it leads me to this. All right, let's get to the same thing. Well, because you're beating around the bush. Let's go with the Panthers. We'll start there. I don't talk with the Panthers. I don't particularly find that vacancy super interesting. You can tell me otherwise. I know I was asked about this, Colin. I get it. I just I'm my point yesterday was real, real simple is when these jobs open up, generally speaking, they're broken. And so there's no utopia. And rarely does one open up because Colin made the point. Well, they don't have a quarterback. Most of the time they don't. Like what happened in Green Bay is unusual. Or what happened? I mean, so. All of them have things that need to be addressed and fixed. Yeah, what have you? I'm more interested. When does it ever open up in week five, though, in our business? Weird. Yeah, it's different. Did you know it was going to open up? No, I had no clue. You had no idea. No, no. I mean, I'm like you. OK, but that's unusual. Well, you're me minus. No, 20 years of coaching experience. No, no, no, no, no. That was unusual, I think. OK, so this happens. What's not what's not unusual, but what's fascinating to me is we were I was on the area yesterday. That happens. Everyone says Wilkes, whatever. But your name is trending. Your name. When something's going wrong with a play call in Dallas, your name starts trending. My name was trending because it was announced that I was going to be on your show. That's right. With Fandle up and out of us in the morning. Are you trying to be like be humble for some reason? What happened to my friend, Sean Payton, is my question. But be honest here. What does it feel like? I'm asking you as a friend. What does it feel like to be the bell of the ball when it comes to coaching? I don't know. I think there's it's uncomfortable because I know so many of these guys. Like I'm a friend with Mike McCarthy. I know Matt Rule. I've spoken to his team when he was a Baylorer. I know these guys. So yeah, I think that's one of the difficult parts about it. And I really do enjoy the role I'm in now like a lot. I can tell you like it. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that there's a part of you that recognizes, man, if I do this, I'm going to live like 10 years longer than if I do that. And there's that inner battle that you have with getting back. And there's an excitement that you have that's different. Because when you have a good Sunday, for instance, let's say you pick a game to win, you make some comments on air, and they kind of come to fruition and you feel like, man, I kind of hit it out of the park today. And then you go home and watch the night game. When you prep all week and you win a game, there's nothing like it. Like that is like a drug. And so it's that addiction to that feeling of winning. I mean, we've seen it with some coaches, like Bill Cower. Do you look at any other coach and sort of see how they've handled there? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, look, Parcells has been a great mentor for me. But I really just pay attention to how I'm feeling. I really enjoy the job I have now. And to answer your question, look, it's flattering. And it's a lot better than hearing comments like, well, the last guy we'd want is. Right. You know? Right. And so, yeah. Well, you've earned it. You're on the top of everybody's list. Yeah. So what were you doing when David Tepper called you? When he called me, I was unpacking, of course. And then I told him, I said, hey, we can't talk now. We'll break a rule. So what did he just, what did you guys catch up on? David Tepper didn't call me. You're lying. I didn't. He can't. And he didn't. No, he did not. Did someone contact you about your interest in a potential? No. All right. No, that's serious. I'm being honest. You are. Yes, 100%. They can't do that. He's got a shock collar lie detector test attached to him. Place is unknown. I don't want to talk about it. But it would have buzzed if he was lying. They can't do that. Yeah, I know. You're not allowed to. No, I know. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. So talk to me about coaching destination attractiveness. What are three things that you, you're the bell of the ball. You just are. Just accept it. You're so humble. It's strange to me. What are you looking at? Prioritize what you're looking at when it comes to what might be interesting to you down the line. When I use the term functionality and its ownership front office, you just want everyone's oars to be in the same rhythm sequence. And I think one of the challenges in our league with a number of teams is that's not the case. And so despite whatever talent's there, despite the talent of the GM or the head coach, if it's not strong through the middle, then they have no chance of winning the ultimate prize. So quarterback isn't your number one priority? No, that is. But if you're waiting for the job that already has that in place, then so the minute you get to a place like New Orleans in 06, we've got to solve that problem. And so we're looking at all our options. We're looking at the draft. It's the 06 draft. Linert, Vince Young, Jay Cutler. We're looking at free agents that might be able to hold the fort for a year or two. And then Breeze is released with an injury. We like the risk with the makeup of the player. So that has to be addressed, yes. But what I'm talking about is beyond that. What I'm talking about is the ownership group, the front office group, is that all in concert? Because in some places, it's not. And when it's not, I don't care who the quarterback is. Like in other words, then you don't have a good job. Right. Then despite how good your game plan is, despite the talent you bring into the building, if those things aren't all on the same page, then you have dysfunction. And then you have an average to blow average. Coach, is it safe to say then that you had a good job in New Orleans? Absolutely. So and I would say a great job, great ownership. I miss Mrs. B. She's the best. My best friend is the general manager, Mickey Loomis. And I miss him. That's the one thing that's undervalued for me was, all right, I'm stepping away. But man, I miss those people because I enjoy being around them. Dennis Lauscia and that ownership group, the people in the building. So I'm not going to say I'm spoiled, but I know what it looks like. Like I know what that looks like. And if you looked at our drafts, you know, everyone's on the same page as to what we're looking for. Makeup, football IQ, I could go on and on with the things that are important. And then all of these things then, along with the right decisions, and then pretty soon you win a lot of games, pretty soon you win a bunch of games. Where are you going with this, Kay? I'm going well because I mean. It's a great spot. It's a great spot. So is there, I don't have to answer this, but my head is, is there a better spot? Is there a better spot than where you had it? I know Dennis Allen's doing this thing. I know that you are a champion. Yeah, I don't know that though, because I don't know the other spots as well. Like I know the Saints intimately. I'm saying, but you were happy there. So I'm just, I think Saints fans would be very curious by the comments that you're making is all I'm saying. Is that the reason for the helmet up there? You know I love the Saints. That's why you are buddies because of the Saints. I have a feeling that like that little segment of your shelf can rotate. Like if Cooper Cupps in here, you have a Ram's helmet. Are you saying you're coaching the Rams next year? Is that breaking news? No, but I'm saying is that the one, like Dolly Parton I feel like stays. She can't move Dolly. Dolly is cemented. But I feel like the helmet comes and goes. The helmet can come and go. Well, I would ask you if you're telling me that helmet can come and go. You're open to all options. It's the Saints among those options potentially down the line. I don't see a Fox helmet. I love my job with Fox right now. Oh my gosh, you're so, I know you do, but we all know you're going to go in a Super Bowl. We're not dumb, Sean. Like you're going to go in a Super Bowl. You want to talk a little? I don't know where. Let's talk about some teams that you like. Let's talk a little football here. I think Mark Ingram is popping by the show. By the way, nobody in the control room tell Mark Ingram that we have Sean Payton here. Because you've got to talk to him about some things. Yeah, I do. Who knows? No, I know. I want to ask, I heard you on Colin talk about Jimmy G. I am a fervent supporter. I am a defender of him. He gets it from all angles. He gets it from fans. Oh, he's your homie. Oh, Illinois. No, we're all Chicago Illinois. I know, but he went to the same school as you, right? Yeah, but he's from Chicago too. Yeah, great. I mean, you're barely from Chicago. I'm a suburb. Okay, so listen. So you're like 10 minutes closer to the city than I was. I want to ask about Jimmy Garoppolo because where does the disrespect come from? I mean, honestly, coaching, ownership, fans, analysts, all over the place, but he's a winner, so I don't quite get it. I don't either, really. It's a good question. Look, he's led his team to a Super Bowl. He's led his team to an NSC championship game. He's been injury prone. I get it. I think we all are guilty of this. He's traded from New England to San Francisco. And, you know, New England, I think took him second in the second round. And then we hear that he might be traded again and then they draft a first round pick on top of him. We all tend to believe what the coaches and other teams are doing. And so it was, I think it was easy for the fan to say, well, we got to get better. We can't win it all with Jimmy G. Well, you were this close twice to win it all with Jimmy G. So, yeah, you can. And the players love him. That's at the only people that really support him. I think so too. I said this at the start of the season on Fox when we were doing our whole, like what is the storyline this year? And I said it's going to be the revolving door quarterback in so many places. And I mean that we've already seen it in six different teams. They're playing quarterbacks maybe that didn't start the season because of injury or another reason. I think when you invest as much as the 49ers did in trade lands and you make that decision to take him and trade up to take him. Ownership sits around and says, hey, how's the new guy? They don't want to hear about how Jimmy's doing. Got it. Right? They want to hear about the guy we had to have. And I don't know how Trey Lance was progressing honestly at all in that offense. We can assume he's down the thing that you see. He could have been doing fantastic. But I know this is a dangerous team in the NFC. And I think when I watch the games like everyone else, Philly's a dangerous team. San Francisco's a dangerous team. And you're just sucking up to Marissa, Sean. No, I'm not, I'm not. She's excited. I used to live in Philly. Philly's they're an exciting team and they're a threat. And Dallas is a threat as well. They're playing too good on defense. So those are the three teams that I see that are different than the rest of the NFC. That's me, San Francisco. No Packers, no Bucks. No, not right now. I just see the three that I just mentioned ahead of those teams. The two NFC East teams, unbelievable. We're gonna see them next weekend play. Oh, that's true. Yeah, yeah, on Sunday Night Football. With the Niners, Super Bowl, you're saying they're dangerous. How dangerous? I know you're saying top three. Are they top of the hill of those three? They can. At defense. Yeah, I think any of those three can end up in the Super Bowl. I mean, we're five weeks in, but I like them a lot. Before we go to break, we have Mark Ingram. What point in the season, like an 09, what was your record, 13-0? 13-0, and then we lost our first game. At what point in this season do you know your team is sort of special? Week seven, when you win seven in a row or eight. What happens is, what's unusual is you get to like 10 and you're like, where did the weeks go? Like they just start rolling. And time starts flying, and then pretty soon, it's like you're eating turkey, you haven't lost yet. It's fast. Yeah, it's a good thing. That face you just made is the face where I know that as much as you love Fox, and you'll be back at Fox at some point, you're going back to coaching that face. You literally looked up at the stars in the sky and were just muting up the answer. Yes, it's so great. I was looking at your leather helmet back there. It's so great. All right, we're gonna talk to Mark Ingram after this. Also, you mentioned the Cowboys. What would you do if you were Mike McCarthy and Jared Jones in that corp? Continue doing what I'm, all right. The prompter says our next guest is one of my favorites. I have one of my favorites next to me, though, so Naus is getting awkward because this is a guy who visits with us every week currently in his 12th season in the NFL. Let's welcome insane superstar running back, Mark Ingram. My girl Kay, what up? What's going on? Oh, oh, oh, oh. Hey. SP, what you do, dawg? I got a list of things I want to talk to you about right here, all right? Let's get their singles. Let's just get you two. Shoot them to me, shoot them to me. What's up, SP? I'm meeting dawg. Good seeing you. Hey, I'm proud of you first off and excited you guys got the win this weekend. It's hard watching, I'll be honest with you, but that was a good win. Hey, man, we just trying to get it going, man. You just gotta start away. We got the win last week, gotta go again this week. You know what it is, want to know, want to know. Now, listen, I'll say this, you're playing the Bengals, right? And so we're sitting here, and she just turned red right now because as much as she likes the Saints, I'm just so happy. She rides with Houday. When it comes between Houday and Houdat. So, no, no, no, that's not true. She's been to about 10 Bengal games. I'm big trust till I die, right? Mark Ingram, Mark Knows. Mark Knows, Sean, still trying to cause drama here. There is drama. But like how you gonna fool somebody who's blatantly tried to steal the Houdat? Like Houday, Houday, how you just gonna rock with that? Well, I know they've had this segment before. Houdat came well before Houday. And look. I'm saying. But here's the thing. The greatest sign of flattery is imitation. So we'll take it. Someone else wants to do that, that's fine. They're following just, they're not the first, right? They're following us. Right, right. I mean, even the chant, I'm like, it's just full blown plagiarism, right? But I do see like a Joe Burrow picture in this studio and I don't see. There's a Saints helmet. The helmet is the one that comes and goes. You're such a jerk. She's got 31 other helmets over here. No, I don't. She does. I do not. I'm going and I'm gonna rock it. I love the mark. Don't you even give me any lift. I don't want to. You see how much this came off? Don't even. Everything else is velcroed down. Like this is temporary. It's not true. Now you're in that building, the building that Sean set the culture. And of course you guys are keeping it going with DA. Tell me though, personally, what do you miss about this guy the most? Hey man, like just the energy Sean brings. Like, you know, the character that he is, his smart, his intelligence, you know, it's just, there's no replacing people like that. You know what I mean? The shoe game. The shoe game. We get the shoe cam. Hey, you ain't got the Jays on right now, do you? No, he does. Yes, I do. You don't recognize them because they're, they're not even like available to the. Hey, okay, I take it back. The thing I do miss the most is when he used to tell me to come up to his office and he used to have the extra Jordan shoes, the Jordan golf shoes, a couple pieces of gear that he ain't like. And I used to just come back to the locker room with like, you know, two-peak two, two-per-two. He size 13-two. He size 13-two. You know his shoe size? Well, no, anyone who size 13. Michael Thomas as well. Michael Thomas, yes, yes, yes. So it was the 13th club. It was the 13th club. What do you do with all those shoes now? It's the 13th club. We take all the extras. I need the extras, Sean. I need all the extras. My son's in the 13th club. Who else? Ingram's in the 13th club. Mike Thomas is in the 13th club. James Winston is in the 13th club. DeMario. Michael Jordan is in the- DeMario Davis. DeMario, we used to have, we'd be up there, we'd have a draft. Like, they'd pick a pair. Then the next one would pick a pair and they'd just be laid out on the floor. Mark, you guys were together for so long. Sean, they're obviously before you and after you when you did your stint with the Ravens. I think the most impressive thing about this coach is that he keeps players motivated year in, year out, and it's a really hard thing to do. He's wheeling money into that locker room trying to make a joke. He's dancing with the broom after. Why is he so unique this guy next to me? He just tries to find ways to get the guys motivated. You know what I mean? He's one of the guys, you know? And he just finds ways, unique ways to get everybody motivated, everybody on the same page. That's why you can't replace a guy like Sean. That's why we miss Sean. Obviously he left a good imprint, a good culture here that we live in and we carry it on. But it's hard to replace guys like that. You can't replace guys like that. You just can honor them by doing things the right way. My mentor, Bill Parcells, coached his father at the New York Giants. And so that's the crazy part about it. Cause when I would talk to Bill about Mark, he would talk to me about Mark's father. And they won a championship together. I'm gonna cry. No listen, it's true story. And so this guy, we drafted, you ready? We drafted Cam Jordan, traded back into the first round and drafted Mark Ingram in the 11 draft and they're still, like they're thicker than thieves. Honestly, we had to put their lockers like on the other side cause it was, it got like too much. They were too close. So we separate them, but they'd still end up, you know. I thought you were gonna say Bill Parcells is the guy who taught you how to dance like that. No, Bill couldn't dance. Yeah. Where did you learn those moves, coach? Just Eastern Illinois eel cracker. It's the champagne, do the champagne, do the champagne. Yeah, do the champagne. This is so happy. Hey, Sean, are you going to a game this year? It's hard to go to a game if I'm working on Sundays, right? I'm going back for Halloween. And you're here on Tuesday, so that's so tough. Hey, you've been doing a good job on a fox show. It's been pretty good, right? It's been decent. Yeah, yeah, you like a natural up there, man. I would like to go, if you guys play a Monday night game, I think I can do a Monday night game. We got the Ravens on Monday night. 10-20. 10-20, I'll be there. 10-20. Now you got to hold him too, Mark. You got, Mark, you might have to leave him some tickets. Wait, which 10? Is 10 October? That's a Thursday night game. 10 October. It's like in five games. We got the Ravens Monday night. You're going to come through to who that's at or what? Listen, I'll do to who that's at. 10 is October though, right? Sean, yes. October 20, all right, that's all. My analytics says so. P.S.F. tells me that it's that. Well, no. What? We don't got no home game. I mean, we don't got a Monday night on 10-20, do we? No, I think it's a Thursday night game. Can someone tell me? At Arizona, on Thursday night. We play Sunday, and we go Thursday. Listen, listen. At Arizona, we have. But hear me out. We have. I'll be when you guys play Arizona, whenever you play Arizona, if it's not on Sunday. Thursday night. Thursday night. You said Monday night, we have, I know in like in probably like five games, we got the Ravens on a Monday night in New Orleans. I'll be at that one, and then I'll pre-scout Arizona for you. I'll just fly over early with Orney, and I'll have that thing wired. Yep. All right, and we'll talk more about it then, but. That's November 7th. All right, cool. Everybody keep, now that's, you know, St. Social Media, get that out there, and you'd have, what is it? The Huda, the Huda chat you're gonna lead? The Huda. Do that. Do that. Yeah, I mean. You have to be a, the whole deal. Now Cam, Cam Jordan chooses who leads the Huda champ, but I'm gonna put a little birdie in his ear. That's how it might be in town for that game. Cam chooses it unless I'm back, and then I tell Cam. Tushae, Tushae. My question is, Mark, I liked what I saw out of the offense. You know, don't drag, you know, poor Sean wasting all those private jet miles if that offense isn't gonna keep it up. Is this offense what it's gonna look like for weeks to come? Hey, that was just the start. You know what I mean? We gonna keep building. We gonna keep building. You know, Taysum had a big day, Alvin had a big day, and Andy operated the offense great. We was able to run the ball, we played some good defense. Obviously a lot of room for improvement. They're doing things that'll get you beat, but we got the win, and we're building on it this week. So we happy with that, and we gonna keep getting better. Hey, you know what the best part was? I love it when I see Pete Carroll spit his gum out, because that means it's over. And I saw that the other day, and I was like, man, make him spit that gum out. That was perfect. He'd be chewing that gum. Yep, but then when he spits it out, it's over. It's over. That's like a coaching tell? Yeah, it's just something. Is there anything else that other coaches have? It varies with each coach. Do you have a separate analogue team looking at grinding tape on the NFL coaches' mannerisms? Mark, are we maniacal? Maniacal. Are we? Are we sounds like present tense to me? I'm just saying, I'm not an English professor, or an English major, but. We think that way. Yeah, this is an intervention, actually. I don't wanna tell you right away, but it's me and Mark coming together to tell you that we know UNDA can co-coach it for the rest of the year together. It's an intervention. Yeah, we just miss you. We miss you. Are you micro-dosing my coffee like that show? Yes, I am. What's the show? My show's on. No. Ayahuasca? No, there's a new show. Taking the bear rogers? Nine Perfect Strangers. No. Yeah, Nine Perfect Strangers. Can you believe this guy's watching Netflix shows at night now? This is unbelievable to me. It's on who? Hey, crazy. He's watching Netflix shows. He used to be up here at midnight 1 AM. You know what I mean? Micro-dosing the coffee, you know? Mark, what is your best Sean Payton story off the top of your head? I know you've got a million. Too many. Man, we got great stories, man. We got great stories. Lots of good times, you know? Sometimes button heads, you know what I mean? But I remember one time we butted heads. Arizona. He was calling me up in his office. Yeah, yeah. One time he called me up in his office, he was like, man, we can't keep doing this. He's like, well, we can fight if you want. You know what I mean? I was like, sure, I'll beat you up, man. No. I said, hey, we can't keep button heads like this. But if we have to, we'll fight first. I just throw some Jordans his way. Hey, so we played in Arizona once, speaking of Phoenix. And this was my mistake. Because sometimes you get into a game plan and you're, and we're on R20, you know, we've got to go 80 yards. And so we run a play-action pass and boom. Then we hand the ball off to Ingram, gain to 12. Good run. And another run to Ingram, gain of 18. Then we throw it again, complete. Dump a ball to Ingram. And so that drive took us all the way down to like the two-yard line. And Mark had a lot to do. I mean, he had, call it, 50% of those yards to get to the two. And then I go to goal line, you know. And sometimes, to a fault, we would have a signed personnel. So give me goal line 23. Goal line 23. And I don't know who trotted in. I can't remember. Tim, high tower. High tower. So high tower trots in and takes it in the end zone. And ma'am, we score. But I'm not really paying attention to it. And then I see Mark. And I'm like, this is when, deep down inside, I'm like, damn. We need to have more flexibility. And that was one of those times where you should have had that touchdown, all right? It's all good. It's all good, man. We used to squash that because all of. All the time. But that was just how we were wired, though. And it was always, when it was over with it, it was never anything. It was just, we were just wired that way. Yeah. Wired different, man. You know what I mean? We alpha's. Alpha dogs. Alpha dogs. Alpha dogs. Mark, there's a lot of internet stuff happening because, you know, Matt Rule has been dismissed, parting ways with Carolina. A lot of people wanting Sean Payne to take that inter-division coaching role. She's stirring up the shit right now. She's stirring up right now. Stop stirring on TV. She's stirring up the real. It's a podcast. What would you make of that sort of a landing spot for your old coach? He ain't going to Carolina. He can't go to Carolina. Like, that's just not acceptable. Not the Panthers. Heads Carolina, Tails, California. California. You haven't heard that song. No, but now you're making, you are really. Are you on a show? It's Sean McVean. Everybody, hey, everybody's skeptical, Sean. Everybody's skeptical. Kay's just saying what everybody wants to know. I brought up a good TV show and a song right now. She doesn't recognize either one of them. Does Mark? Yeah, he does. He's with me the whole time here. What's a song? Oh, it's a Saints thing. It's a locker room, Saints thing. Mark, what else is going on? You want to give me your water down saying nothing update on James Winston like I ask you every week how he's doing? Hey, he's getting healthy. We got to get my dog healthy. You know what I mean? When you got back and ankle and stuff like that, you got to get right. So we got my dog getting better. He's getting healthy. And I guess that'll be the water down version for you this week. Yeah, and I love that. Taysome Hill. Hey, I got something. No, no, I got something. Hey, for you and Kamara, start holding on to the rock. Both of you. How are we rolling out? Hey, both of you. You have me throwing pillows at the screen like just like this. Tell Kamara too. You're damn right. CBS was seen attached to that one. He ain't lying. He ain't lying. I only know what would happen if you was out there. Wow. How would you tell him as his actual touch? Just be a look. Really? Show us the look in that camera. What is the look? Mark, is this the look? You mother. This has been the most fun. I literally don't feel like we're on television. This is insane. I love you. Mark and Greville talk to you in a bit. Sean, you're the best. Let's wrap this up. Hey, SP man, keep doing your thing, bro. I'm making her kick me out. I told her I'm staying here. I've already finished my coffee. You think I have a second one here, but. Bye, Mark. Back on an Adam show at Game Changer says future commissioner Payton, some good thoughts. Would you like to be the commissioner? I'd like to pay, though. We'll be back after this. Back it up an Adam show, those possibly the best. Oh, they're my best episode. Sean and Ingram were awesome in case during the DK Metcalf emoji was priceless. We love it. Payton, let's talk about Cowboys Rams. Any thoughts here? We have 90 seconds left in the show. They're yours. Cowboys Rams, look, I thought that was a telling game. First off, and I feel for Sean McVeigh, because when you watch him, you see that there's been a lot of change in their offensive line. You miss a guy like Whitworth, right? I mean, that's a big deal. And then Robert Woods and OBJ, when they were really going last year on their playoff run, you felt more weapons than it wasn't just Cooper Cup. And I think Sean and his staff are working hard to kind of write that shift. Does Stafford look OK to you? His elbow looks fine. Well, I think it's a byproduct of everything else, though. And Sean said it best. Look, Matt's going to be just fine, but these other areas have to play better. And quite honestly, the defense has to play better. I know, yeah. Great. And then, conversely, if you're Dallas with every win, and we see it, it's happening in Philly, and it's happening with every win, you feel more confident. More confident. You know, they were the underdogs in that game. They certainly look like they had a chip on their shoulder. They simplified it. We have 30 seconds here. You are McCarthy and Jerry Jones. Cooper Rush starts Sunday night, beats the undefeated Eagles. Are you starting Dak for next week? I'm starting Dak whenever he's back. He's their starter. And I'm super glad we have Cooper. But Dak is the starting quarterback. But what I've also learned, though. How do you have five seconds? Quickly, four, three, two, one. I've learned the formula a little bit better. I don't know what that means. Bye! Yes, bye.