 Well, it's off the press and we're still on the breakfast. We have open up on Katara who joins us via phone Good morning, open up all. It's good to have you join us this beautiful Monday morning Good morning. I'm good morning. I'm good All right, then let's take a look at the punch Made available by a paper vendor the PDP challenges to new bow again a PC says a she was you will floor at equal one hour interview Some margins are saying hey, we need to go that way Tunable should subject himself to one hour interview a tickle campaign insist Tico incapable of defeating anybody. He has nothing to offer a piece of spokesman is quoted So that's a back-and-forth and you also have a picture of those kidnapped Trained passengers who were flogged and you can see them sadly seated Outrageous terrorist flock train abductees and threaten To have dark or kidnapped the president and the Kaduna state governor amongst other prominent Nigerians again, you find Financial crisis and CAA audits the stress airlines and marginal fields Operators may earn four trillion naira annually Blackout looms as electricity workers join NLC protests. Let's not forget the NLC saying hey We're going to and back on a solidarity protest on the 26 and the 27 the government on the other hand has said this is Illegal and then you also have another response from following the saying everyone has a right to you know expression or an association As to strike varsity unions backs NLC and pro lecturers protests, but will that change anything? What's the implication of all of that with the government blink and I lead? Insecurity our great imports exceeds exports by 443 billion naira and reps summons ministers BPE over power plan sale Another caption says 367,499 applied for 43,717 medicine slot a jam reports Lassa fever cholera kills 240 experts express worry just as we are You know having our experience in an increase in COVID cases Registered voters heat Seven million in Lagos. This is what INEC is reported to say removal of subsidy and NPC and ports Monopoly will and queues marketers are quoted to say and high-potensive man dies as bright chasing last man men sees vehicle We must perform a billionaire brother tells governor elect That's what it is this morning Well, that's the much we can take on the punch newspaper. We turn our attention from the punch We have the nation on the nation security on red alert over threat to Buhari air fight Train attack insurgents threatened to attack presidents and Kaduna governor government when succumbed to propaganda says presidency victim families protest today Well, the president is saying that this is actually a you know global tool that's been used by terrorists globally to force government to do the beatings Another question people asking, you know, this is government not doing the beating already of the terrorists Dmo explains soaring debt servicing boat and Ipman on why petrol queues possess demand more than supply Again, you find NDLE a rest 18 Lagos a Buddha in the airports and that's it on the nation newspaper We turn our attention from the nation and we quickly look at a Garden newspaper Consumer firms breeze for higher price. I mean energy crisis OPS says production costs by up by almost 100 percent manufacturers side dwindling capacity utilization inventory and profitability Telecoms You also have diesel a hike forces companies to review workforce as food union You are lingering fuel shortage undermining listed firms growth will impact to have here financially Well, that's a lot that's going on following You know the energy crisis or petrol issues and what have you Train attack showcase terrorist vow to kidnap or kidnap Buhari or fi It's quite shocking. Is it shocking really I pop tax federal government on Constitutional release of Kano especially when you have the United Nations weighing in on this particular one I mean the saying hey the government You know Kenya all those involved should should actually pay Compensating for an awful in due process to extradite Namdi Kano multiple unconnected third parties collaborate articles position on turnable and you find federal government Confirmed 16 new cases of monkey pox from 12 states it calls for a letter consent I mean we're grappling with a lot the issue now is do we have the capacity health-wise, you know to cater for all of this Viruses and diseases that were the world is plagued with Gunman kill eight persons abduct orders in play to Katzina and Delegates collected money to vote at primary says a Meiji Interesting Well, that's it on the Guardian and just before we have open the bonk at area joined a conversation on a daily independent newspaper Banks Tadily yielding digital banking space to fiend tax I'm sure you want to find out what that means implementation of renegotiated agreement will end strike That's what as we saying Orange telecom vows you enter Nigeria's big markets quite something different equity elections syrups use INEC for Failing to prosecute vote buyers 7 million voters so far registered in Lagos is it impressive and you have how Eurocontractors 3 million dollars deficit for aircraft was diverted Could it be the reason for the back-and-forth? You have another interesting caption the PDP crisis. How are you? Obasaki tumblewell worked against week is vice president candidacy a Nymet once again flawed in Taraba and Southwest of course Nymet has been on top of the issue But what's government doing? I mean, what's the government? It's okay for us to have an information But what's the action that we've been proactive waiting to be you know for things to happen before we then begin to respond As the very active people that we have always been train attack victims We won't yield to terrorist propaganda Presidency is quoted to say and that's it this morning on The daily independence and on the papers. Let's have open the bonk attire She has thoughts this morning once again. We appreciate your time. Thanks for joining us Well, let's start off with the one that's very dominant Of course, it would constitute you the crux of our conversation. It's the video that was viral where we see terrorists torturing flogging Train passengers that were kidnapped and of course the threat on the president and all the prominent Nigerians Including the Kaduna state governor. I mean, how do you respond to this? Are you shocked? So much power back so much power back What was the question that if I see the headline the problem, you know, what's the question of your brain? So much power back Well, um, I'm asking what's your reaction to the video that has been viral this regards terrorists Metting torture on the kidnapped victims. I mean those who were kidnapped the train passengers Who are still in captivity of this terrorist and Yes, please Exactly Related to watch that video But it goes to underscore the fact that we are the government Plounder in the morass of leadership back, you see We are the government That is quite insensitive Simply because probably The assailants children Are really things I'm not part of that And so the government is not bothered at all. I should be believe that regulation or One of the service teams I'm there with me there The deputy would have done something But the government has failed and it's duty to protect lives and property That is also to show you Because it is the principal and major partner responsibility of the government But suddenly we are the government and power that is highly complicit. I When I say highly complicit, I have my facts Recently in the north we have a situation where a Man that was declared wanted by the government by the government In the north Chiefs Today's another or whatever it is and this also might have declared what it you also have a situation where But don't I look at what happened in another place? I think recently we have people they said wait for a wedding or something Look at what happened But you have to tell somebody that I don't declare wanted I'm still on the wanted news. I mean it is a government of double-speak You know Government of our life of it. I don't know my dear. It's I'm so pain But I'm not watching that video We don't have a country anymore It's more or less like a banana the public With the first place point. I think we have to defend ourselves Because we don't without license But I will not sit down in my house and allow a man To just come and make body of me and members of my family without any resistance Even if I have to die, I Have to resist and not die like a coward So I don't think anybody needs license anymore So that you're gone Well, we have to put the government has to protect ourselves Those people are in the rain and I'm not a son I Well, what do you then? This much, if the NSD said that the money that you are looking for could not be accounted for, the NSD said that you have to save the lives of the people that are in stock. Who said the war of the war against the world could not last for 30 more years? We all know what pass and give. He knows why he said that. He knows, he has the pass. He knows, he has the pass. He was being rewarded with a grandfather of a husband. Are you calling this a country? This country is highly complicit. Are you? What is Gumi today? Nothing. Gumi himself, after Mr. President said that he was going to wipe out terrorism. What did Gumi say in response? What did he say in response? Gumi said no, it was not possible that they have to negotiate or else terrorism will continue. It's a record. Where is Gumi? And that is definitely going to be in terms of protection of lives and property. Okay. Open up on Qatar. Let's move away from that now. We will definitely look into it as we proceed in the course of the conversation. I mean, it's just quite worrisome for a lot of people. Some people say it's quite embarrassing where you have this terrorist threatening to kidnap the number one citizen, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. I mean, really, I really don't know. But on the punch newspaper, one hour interview, the PDP challenges to Nubu again and APC says, a COA jewel will flow at Ticco. The question here is you have this political, you know, orders now, the elites, those who are actually at the forefront for 2023. Do you think this interview impacts in any way? Does this make any sense? I mean, having an interview just before the elections, ahead of the elections with this contestant, does it, you know, change the cost of things? Does it, you know, reflect or impact differently on the choice or the decision of the electorate? Are you saying, are you, sorry, are you asking, are you asking, are you asking to change the situation? No, that's on the other hand, that's on the other hand. That was on the one side. I'm talking about the punch now. We're away from security issues. We're talking about, you know, 2023 elections. And you have this dominant party. It's the PDP and the APC, the challenge for an interview. Now, the question here is, does this impact or does this, you know, help in any way to help the electorate with their choices? That's right. Let's see the breakfast and plus TV Africa off the press. And we have Okunabon Katara who's still with us via phone this morning. Okunabon, thank you so much for staying with us once again. All right. And we're looking at the punch newspaper just before that timeout. And the question or the concern here is about the one hour interview that you have the PDP challenging the APC flag bearer too. I mean, there's a back and forth with the APC and the PDP. APC is saying that I sure do will flow at equal. Now, and I'm asking at the end of the day, is there any significance for the electorate? Does this help them in any way with the choice of who they elect as president or as governor? This interviews, do they have any significance? Okunabon, can you hear me? Yes, yes. The summary is, are you in the question on who will win the following year? That's not it. I'm asking, is there any importance for this interview? Does this, you know, in any way impacts on the electorate and their choice at the end of the day? That interview is talking about the impact of the interview on the electorate. Exactly. Oh, actually, ok. I don't think so. I don't think so because right now, for what you expect is castigations will definitely go on. I mean, it's the characteristics of politics, especially when you approach the first time. It's not out for contestants, contenders to try as fast as they can to be as precise so to speak, their opponents. I said there are several kinds of things. Truth, falsehood, everything with the strength at their disposal. Just to ensure people just to demonize their opponents and to very large extent create an impression in the minds of their electorate that they are the best and their opponents are good enough. So I don't think that a very large extent will affect the voting pattern of Nigeria. First and foremost, let me tell you, most Nigerians have made up their minds on who they are going to vote in the forth commision election. Out of, let's say, 100% of Nigerian electorates, castigations and so on could just make it just 1% of medical or less than 5% because those who vote for people have made up their mind they are going to vote for people. Those who vote for people have made up their mind they are going to vote for people. Those who vote for people to be have made up their mind they are going to vote for people to be. And that is the case. Let's not forget that in this part of the world our electorate believes so much in indecently full worship. Not necessarily what the candidate can offer or disturb their leader, but simply because their political godfathers have said this is a direction. And that is what happens. Now you have just few independent-minded persons and even the few independent-minded persons already have an opinion of all the candidates and that will inform their decision at the post. So I don't think this is the only way to address the outcome of the election. Okay, but the fact that our democracy is still very nascent and we constantly would say that there's need for us to ask for accountability. Don't you think that this would also be a means where these elite or those who vie for political office can be held accountable, especially when you have this debate with the opposition or whoever it is and those who are contending those in the race, it would be a time where we would hear their thoughts on different policies and how they are able to, what they intend to bring on the table for the people. Don't you think that this is also a means of holding these persons accountable and where people can scrutinise them? A means of accountability. What kind of accountability? Oh my God, this is all about it. Are you saying that the antecedents will count? I'm asking. That the antecedents will vote based on the antecedents or, to be honest, I cannot believe. Okay, so open the mic if you can hear me. My question is, don't you think that this would actually go a long way in developing our democracy where we constantly have clamoured and asked for some sort of accountability, holding our leaders accountable? This is a time where they have to tell us what it is that they are bringing to the table and how much we get to see the how and when and what they intend to do at the end of the day. It's just a means to hold them accountable and scrutinise their candidates. No, what is that supposed to do with the candidates? Like I said, if you talk about the people we all know who a people is, he's really a governor. So we all know what he did as a governor. If we talk about an article, we all know who an article is. If we talk about a TTOB or a platform show, these are known figures with antecedents. So that may be before you make your choice. Two things will inform your choice. One, the citizens of the candidates, scrutiny, you're going to do an appraisal of the candidate. Then number two, you're talking about your political grandfather. These are the two major like, another whole matter of TTOB because they believe that as a governor he was quite prudent. That's why a lot of them say, let us go for TTOB. Then some are saying, oh, let me be a matiku because as vice president of the country the economy was within its overview and it performed excellently well. Then if you talk of Wallachy Nibu to some they say it made us a deep world. But unfortunately for Wallachy Nibu it belongs to the HPC that has failed working in the last seven years. And that means that you rub up on it whether you like it or not. Although I always have this argument that people should not be judged based on their political parties because in Nigeria the political parties go without ideologies. All right, a civilized plan. In India the political parties have ideologies and as a candidate of that political party you are there to do what the party says and not what you want. But in Nigeria it is a candidate that detests to the party what it wants. So they are different. So if a man is very bad as a leader and a civil very good as a leader because the parties don't have ideologies I won't say that. But in this country if you go out and try to ask questions they will tell you HPC has failed. HPC has failed, HPC has failed. I think that is the case. Definitely the most of them I don't want to vote for HPC because they might not appreciate the distinction between the party and the candidate in this country. So all these are the things that will be taken by that. Which in itself is a scrutiny which in itself is an appraiser of the candidates. But just before we move away from that we still have more interesting headlines. Removal of subsidy and NPC imports monopoly and skew. This is what marketers are saying that with the removal of or removal of subsidy and NPC imports monopoly will end queues. Do you think that that's it? Do you think that this will become a thing? Well I don't think so. Because we are a parent of no one. Yes, if you talk about the queues. Okay fine because it is very likely that it might not necessarily be controlled by the federal government by the electoral by the app. The federal government is still more or less like the holding company. If you see the case what will happen. For now. And if you have to empty out queues the government has to be sincere. We must maintain our refineries sausage it and maintain our refineries. That is the only way. So that will then spot the queues and import the finished products. Which is extremely ridiculous and cannot be justified. Because when we talk about the importation the importation of importation the both upstream mainstream and downstream cost. That with me. These prices will go up. Where these prices go up in my constituency I'm making the amelior. They will sell. But then what you have shown become an international it will definitely need to queue again. That's necessary because of the no those that are involved in the importation put into consideration their cost. And they create a specificity in order to increase prices. That is just what they know. A specificity to increase prices. Otherwise if we have our refineries working and we have the queues that is the finance here. We must get our refineries working. That is the only remedy to this issue of queues that has become an international administration. Okay. We have always talked about getting our refineries functioning. We also know that the sum turn around maintenance goes on with the refineries that we already have and is it that we don't understand that we need to get the refineries functioning? Is it a function of knowledge that we lack knowledge? No, we do. The truth is you have just a microscopic tube benefitting from it. Sometimes we must talk around the internet. You know how much is being booted and at the end of the day nothing is done. If they come out, they can tell the truth. So my question is... I know it's because the minister for petroleum, who is the president himself? It's not about that. Tell me, what is this on this? So the issue here is not that we don't know that we need the refineries to function. No, we know. But if the refineries are working majority in Nigeria that is not making a normal profit from this profession of the finished product. That's all. So there is every effort if you want to get more ideas, money is not voted for the turnaround mechanism of those refineries. And secondly, you have how many people working in energy industry and at the end of every month how much is being paid for salaries, allowances and what are you? So as far as the petroleum sector is concerned, the government is completely wasteful. Completely wasteful. Not as a privatised. When the privatisation is going to take place, when the government will cease to be like more or less like we're holding company you will see that even though the price is going up but because it is more or less now like a private thing we are not going to have subject of petrol anymore unless those that are going to be involved will want to be because they cannot afford to do that. They have to make profit. But right now because if the federal government is to nobody in particular you have to make it a fortune it's a conscious mind. It's seen as a conscious mind and the government is doing nothing about it. If the government is committed, how will you decide that it's not doing anything? You have to prove that it's not the finished product. Maybe almost every 3 years you vote a billion of myra but turn around because if the government says it we will be fighting against this country. They don't even say it. So what do you understand? I don't know. In how many years now the presidents have been the successive ministers of the state? From 1977? Yes. Alright, let's move away from that issue so we understand why we're not making progress because we don't have knowledge about what we should do but there's no real power there and we understand that corruption might just be at the front burner and then you have a president who's saying hey, corruption is top on the least and we're going to squash corruption at the end of the day but that's not even the case. So we quickly look at this one before we call it a wrap this morning on the paper review. The United Nations federal government on unconditional release of canoe and that's it and it's on the Guardian newspaper. Now, the United Nations Human Rights Council had also said that Nigeria was wronged on lovely arrest and torture and continue to detain the leader of the indigenous people of Biafra that's Namdi Kanu and the UN bodies also talked about Kenya, the fact that he had asked to release canoe unconditionally what do you make of this now? The UN, it feels like we're always very keen about the international bodies now that iPop is asking for unconditional release we already know what it says that he was on lovely arrest and detain do you think that the government would blink a lead? On our lead. I don't think the government will release canoe unconditionally. Why? Because in all fairness too you don't expect a government to release a man that is seen as a threat to the use of the country unconditionally because it's political now. Yes, he was arrested illegally no doubt about that but my greatest worry or concern is that the manifesto justice must not be allowed illegally. In other words, what is good for the boat is also good for the gander. You have a canoe there and canoe is being treated the way it is treated simply because it's from the southeast I just thought of a terrorist who was in Taiwan just having about two weeks ago it would be good and enough. The club wanted in the full clear of the DSS Police, Army and Co he was banned and the government is doing nothing about that still they want to release. Not that we are impassable if they didn't go back may why there is a canoe in the station and you have a president who said let the cops decide the fate but the president is not going to let the cops decide the fate of the matter and that is why people are saying let this man go you can never sit that's why I say it must not be unconditional you can never sit if we release you you have to go back to talk to your people to end the madness in the southeast which is actually a function of segregation discrimination and marginalization by the federal government well open up you can never sit back to the very top the other guy said don't go to so maybe when he met with him in prison the man was willing so the man was also from his hostilities open up and Kataria we have to go now but just before we go I'd like to just leave this here it's part of what you said you talked about the fact that Namdi Khan is a threat to the unity of the people I mean is there anything wrong that a group of peasants would ask that they want to become a republic I mean asking for a referendum okay it's anything wrong sir please no no you said that that he's a threat I mean when you say something is a threat when you say something is a threat then you know it's a threat we're talking about rights right here we're trying to wake up and say hey I want to become a you know a federation I don't want to become part of this especially when we look at you know the 100 cent hearing you know when we click that or when we clock that particular 100 years amalgamation the document that brought us together in 2014 you know had expired and so some people say that this entity is almost illegal don't people have a right to say hey I want a referendum is there anything wrong is that really a threat or people have a right to it especially when people I mean the government or the people not paying attention to the consents of these individuals or group of peasants who are saying this is what the problem is have we paid attention to it but I know that it's a conversation for another day and I know that you are willing to answer but we need to go open a bunker we definitely talk about this I wanted to respond to that I know but let's talk about this for some other time thank you so much it's always a delight to have you sorry for the hard back no no it's that's not on you we take full responsibility technical issues thank you so much alright then and that's the size of the press but quickly this is a fantastic news I mean in all of this we need to celebrate our big wins Tobi Amosun is the first Nigerian athlete in history to set the world record she's just recently won 12.12 seconds in 100 meters I mean we're talking about a gold medal here and that's a good one Tobi Amosun we're proud of you and we say congratulations Amosun thank you we're proud of you and we look forward to greater wins it probably might just be the very first medal that we're getting if I'm not mistaken but that's it this morning the press and we take a break for us to have a first major conversation but just before then let's tell you what happened today in history being the 25th day in the month of July stay with us