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Maps Hit and the NoBS six pack formula, two programs, 50% off. Go check them out. Remember to mapsfitnessproducts.com, but you have to use the code Julyspecial for that discount. All right? Enjoy this amazing podcast. Actually, what I want to talk about or what I want to bring up is actually your cool vlog video that Eli did, which I thought, wow, do you look amazing right now? What? It's not going to happen. I'm not going to get to either one of those, but they're good targets. What do they say? Yeah, I know. This is a, this is Justin. This is Adam. This is how he plays in mind games, dude. Is she gonna try to sabotage you somehow? Yes, he's like, bro, you look great, relax. No, no. Whatever you want. I've been saving that for when I get home. Yeah. I don't know what that means. By the way, I can tell. I know you wear shirts all the time, trying not to show off anything, but I can see what's happening. This last week and a half, I was a little inconsistent. I can see some abs through that T-shirt. Yeah, they're there, they're there. Yeah. You know what I learned from watching that workout video that he filmed me on was I am completely unaware of my facial expressions and sounds when I work out. Yeah. Now, do you, do you subscribe to the theory that it's exactly like your O-face? Do you think that it's the same? Bro, if I, it's gotta be close. If I make that face when I'm having sex. I think you do, actually. It's like borderline painful. Justin was telling me it looks just like that. That is just a no. A lot, a lot of power, a lot of teeth. No, in seriousness, though, what I wanted to do. I'll send it to Jessica and I'll be like, honey, is this what I like? Be honest, you have to say that to be honest. Is that what it really looks like or what? No, but you brought up something that we've, we've talked about on the show before about supersets. Yeah. And I want you to talk a little bit more about your specific, your routine that you were doing, but you mentioned it on the vlog. So those get a chance to go over to the, on the Mind Pump TV or Mind Pump Podcast channel, is it gonna go on? Do you know Doug? Mind Pump Podcast. Yeah, so it'll be there. He'll link it. Eli should link it to this video on YouTube. Right. And so you'll see Sal's amazing arms and shoulders when he's working out. And then you also see him talk about the supersets and how and why you are using them. And this is personally how I use it too. And I find, I find that it's far more valuable this way than having this like rigid programming that I have to do it on these weeks or being careful of not falling in the trap of always supersetting your routine. Totally agree. I think in the past, the value of supersets was, we were told at least was that it burns more calories, right? So if you're getting, if you're trying to cut, well then you should superset because that accelerates the fat loss. Now here's why that's kind of a false, I guess way of explaining the benefit of supersets. The goal of resistance training should always be to build muscle and strength, okay? Even when you're dieting because the more stimulated your body is to build muscle and strength, while you're dieting, the less muscle you'll lose or maybe even build, especially if you're a beginner. So the question is, why was I doing supersets when right now I'm trying to get lean? It's not because of the calorie burn. It's because number one, I haven't done supersets consistently in a while. So it's new stimulus. But here's the big one. It's the psychological benefit. I can't lift as heavy when I'm eating less calories. It's just not gonna work. I'm not gonna be as strong when I'm cutting my calories and cutting my carbs as I was before when I was eating 700, 800 more calories a day and I was eating more carbohydrates. So because supersets require you to go lighter anyway, it works well with my psyche. Because if I went into a strength training phase with like three minute rests and heavy, it's gonna mess up my head because. Yeah, your calorie deprived right now. So your strength is probably down five or 10 per hour. It's like demoralizing. Yes, yes, totally. So the supersets are just psychologically, I'm like, I'm not gonna lift as heavy anyway. Let me do supersets. So what I did in the video was I kind of did like a phase three maps aesthetic style workout and there's a couple ways that the supersets are set up. There's either same body part superset. So like two exercises for chest back to back and it's usually a compound lift and isolation lift or something like that. And then the other way, which is what I was doing in the video were opposing muscle groups. So I'd go chest back superset. That's a fun one. Yes, or bicep tricep superset, which I love, you know, I love the way that feels. Now of that workout, did you have a, well, you have a favorite superset you did? There's two that I really, really enjoy doing. I really, really love doing some kind of a chest press. So an incline press, for example, and a barbell row or an incline press and a pull up. It just feels great to get both sides of my torso kind of pumped and feeling good. And then they help, right? As I'm doing the barbell row, it's kind of working with my posture. Then I go into my press. It's like beneficial. And then the other superset that I love is just a basic dumbbell curl to a lying dumbbell skull crusher. Because I use the same dumbbell. So I'm seated, curls, and then right to skull crushers. And then if you like having a bicep pump and you like having a tricep pump, imagine having both, right? It feels really, really good. The other thing that you actually mentioned in there that you didn't comment on that I thought is really smart too is that you talk about being on a time constraint. So obviously when you are supersetting all the exercises, the workout moves, it's almost cut in half. So I also like to do it like that, where it's, hey, oh, I didn't know that this morning I was gonna be running late or I didn't know that something came up so I only have 30 minutes to work out today. Oh, because I don't train in supersets all the time, what a great time for me to do it. So I kind of like to allow it just to happen like that. It's, most people have those days, right? Unless you're completely dedicated to bodybuilding and that's your, your, your job. Yeah, it's your job. Most other people, shit happens, you know. Kid had a rough day getting started that day or you didn't get very much sleep last night or a meeting got called last minute, whatever. And so now all of a sudden your hour and a half or hour that you had planned for your workout now gets condensed to 45 minutes or 30. Oh, it's great. It's because I don't use supersets all the time. There's tremendous value in me doing it at a time like that. You know what's funny is that, because I've been doing this for, like you guys, right? We've been doing this for a long time that I used to get so pissed off when something like that would happen where I had this like, oh, I got an hour and 20 minute planned workout. And then, you know, Sal, you got an appointment in 40 minutes or you get there late because the, you know, the baby, you know, had a blowout or something like that. And I'd get so mad. And then I would speed up through the workout through supersets or shorter rest periods. And then I'd always be like, man, that was a good workout. Well, actually that kind of worked. Yeah, dude. So, or if you just like all of a sudden, you're like, well, I have an hour to work out. And they're like, well, this used to happen when I owned my studio. I'd be like, well, I have an hour to work out. So here's my plan. And then my client canceled. So I'm like, well, I got two hours. I'm just gonna go real slow. And then at the end of that, I'm like, man, that was a great worker. So now it's like I embrace short time, long time, like let's make it work. And what do you attribute that most to novelty? Totally. 100% it's novelty. I don't care who you are, you get stuck in your favorite thing. I do for sure. That's why I like saving a lot of those techniques though, for like times like that. Agreed. Yeah, where you have even like some of those drop sets and some of the crazier stuff that we do every now and then or we'll try and program was like, oh yeah, remember this fun technique when we're writing programs? Because it's like the novelty of it, it totally just shakes things up and your body just responds in cool ways. Totally. So I wanna ask you guys, I wasn't with you guys on this great 4th of July holiday. How was it? How was it for you guys? We, I was low key. It was fun. Yeah, so I actually was just Katrina and I. Katrina and I at Max, which I was so excited that Katrina allowed me to do that. So. You normally have to do the big family experience. Yeah, and we just done a lot, right? We just got back from Truckee for a week with all of us and our families. And then we didn't even drive home from Truckee. We stopped in Lodi, were my best friend and his family and met my two best friends, their wives and kids. And so we didn't even drive all the way home. We stopped there. And so the day before the 4th, we kind of celebrated the 4th with them, which by the way, I don't know if you got, oh, I don't think I showed you guys. So I let Max do sparklers or whatever. Oh, he did? Yeah, Katrina freaking out. I guess after the fact, I was like, oh, that probably wasn't very responsible because I'm out there, right? I'll send you guys the video so you guys have it. And you know, we're out. Like himself? Like he's running around with it? Yeah, yeah. Bro. Yeah, yeah. And you're like, bring it in too close. You're like, hey, son, go run through the field with this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we, well, first thing she pulls out, I mean, we got my son's the youngest that gonna be two, literally tomorrow, right? So my son's the youngest and then you have my buddy Justin and his kid is three and a half. And then my other buddy's daughter is three. And so they're obviously a little bit further along with being able to do things like that. And they weren't even letting their kids do that yet. And I'm like, ah, he'll be fine. My kid's chill, you know what I'm saying? Like he's not gonna go trying to burn something down. And I had him, of course I had him corraled like between my legs. So, and I'm like, right there. Yeah, he's with you. Yeah, I'm not like, oh, see you later. Go have fun with the sparkler. I'm not that stupid, right? Did you even have to lie to it? Here's a lie. Yes. I didn't realize how much those things burn though. You know what I'm saying? And they don't go out. You can put them in water and they'll keep going. Yeah, so I'm sitting there and I have shorts and no socks on barefoot. He's barefoot. We're out on the street and stuff like that. And he's between my legs when we're doing this and he's waving around and Katrina's like freaking out. I'm like, ah, he's fine. He's fine. And then like one of the little sparks like land on my foot. And I was like, ah, shit. She's like, that's why you can't let him do that. I'm like, okay, maybe this is not a good idea. But he was fine. He survived. He's alive. I didn't burn my son. So he scarmed for life. I swear to God, this is why fathers and mothers exist, dude. Oh, we have to. Yeah, the balance. Could you imagine if it was just dads? Yeah. Well, in the same, the other direction. I said, Katrina's like always like soup. She like, she freaks out when I wrestle with him and everything. So I try to remind her. So listen, if we had a daughter. Well, you did the DDT to him the other day. So I mean, that's a little aggressive for it. Remember the DDT? Dude, he loves it. His thing right now. So I started this with it. I saw your video. You're like, you're like taking it down. Oh yeah. I hit him like a full. So I get down in a football stance and, you know, and then he, and while he's gathering himself on the bed trying to get stabilized and right when he gets balanced, I dive at him and throw my shoulder into his chest and drop. Oh my God. Katrina freaked out the first time she saw me doing that. And he loves it. He gets up and he's like anticipating me to do it. He's wanting to do it all the time now. So it's pretty a football play. That's a blast, dude. Yeah. So did, so you guys weren't all together then? No, I had a funny moment, like kind of like that where I was letting Ethan go a little further into the Truckee River. And so it was like, we found a really cool spot to go swimming and it was pretty calm in one part of it. But then there, if you go a little bit further out, it's like fast, it's moving. And, you know, he started to kind of feel that it was like pulling him. And so he thought it was fun. And I'm like, oh, you know, I don't know, but I don't have this good idea. And Courtney's like on, you know, the shore watching the whole thing happen. And I'm like, all right, well, let's do it. I'll just, I'll come down a little way so you can like go upstream and then kind of float towards me. We have to go. You know? Bro, I hope it's not a huge- I almost got away from Ethan when I was like, ah, I'm like, oh, shit. And I went and like grabbed him out of the river. But yeah, I was, dude, it's fine. We're fine. We stretched it a little bit. Dude, dad reflexes are a real, do you ever watch those videos on YouTube? Dad's catch like the baby fall. Oh, and it's like, it's like a life or death. Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. Okay, so sometimes a backfire. So here's what happened to me over the weekend. I'm- You pull like a hamstring. Bro, it's like dad reflexes are, they're a real thing- Always. I have my phone. I'm standing on top of the carpet, right? So the rug, so it's soft or whatever. And I slips out of my hand. Instinctually, dad reflex. I fucking hit my phone into the wall and under the hard floor. And they would have been better if I dropped it right here. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, shit. No. Blasted over there, so dumb. Dude, I'm such an old man now because last night got kids setting off fireworks outside my house. And I had to fight the urge to go outside and tell them to shut the hell up. You know what, cause you're in like sleep training right now too. So that's gotta be- Oh yeah, I got my kids. I'll tell you guys about that. But you know, baby sleeping, I hear boom, boom. Oh my God. And I'm like, am I that old guy now? That guy that everybody's like, ugh, he's never having fun. I told you, I was the guy that went down, like there was this local park and there's these kids that are like smoking out in their car. And I went up to him like, you take that out of here. Get that stuff out of here. I was that kid. He sparks up with his wife later on. Like, oh, finally they're gone. Dude, I totally like went right up to the window. No, like, I was, no reserve. Just pissed off? Get out of here. Oh, I love it. Get this stuff out of here. So speaking of the sleep stuff, right? Dude, no affiliation. I gotta give this company a shout out called Battelle. You don't think it's too early yet? No, no. I think it's too early. No, it's not. I'll tell you guys. Dude, it's been a week. It's been a little over a week. It's brilliant. So the founder, I don't even know her full name, we call her Ms. Megan, she created this system. So this woman, what's that school, Montessori? So she was, I think a director for different Montessori schools for a while and then she's worked with children for her whole life and she's absolutely brilliant. This program is so brilliant and I'm gonna definitely butcher how it works but you use lights and you use what are called mantras where you're singing something to your kid and essentially what you're doing and I'm starting to understand the whole thing is you're showing your kid that it's safe for them to fall asleep on their own because they're getting anxious. Dad's not there, mom's not there, what do I do? So it's this process of allowing them to start to feel safe and comfortable and you also learn the difference between like protest cries, which are 90% of the cries that your kid will give you as a protest. Versus like they really need you to comfort them but they do show you how to comfort your kid in a way that builds their confidence. Anyway, long story short, my son had terrible sleep to the point where literally Jessica's brain was getting fried because she deals with the majority of his sleep, right? It would take her hours to get him to take a nap, half the time it wouldn't work, she would be up four times every single night and it was just, it was completely unsustainable. Here we are a week, a little over a week later, my son, it's five to 10 minutes max to go down for a nap, max. And at night to go to bed, it's about five to 10 minutes and he sleeps almost the entire night and not once do I have to go into his room. In fact, when he wakes up because there's a light that's on that tells him it's time to sleep or time to play or time to get up, he'll wake up, he'll hear a little bit of fussiness, he'll look over at the light, he'll notice, oh, it's still red, and then he'll put his head down and put himself back to sleep. I'm like, this is a miracle. So there's a light in the room? Yeah, so there's a light that builds like association. 100%. And they learn right away, dude. Like after about three or four times, my son, we were animals at the end of the day. Dude, it literally you have to, you're just teaching them. Like, like one, here's one technique. Again, I'm butchering it because there's so much more to it. But once I put him down and he starts to protest, cry or whatever, and I tell him, I'm right over there, buddy. I'll be right outside the door. Don't worry about it. And I leave and he cries and I wait. I wait for his cries to really start to elevate. Meanwhile, through the nanny cam, I talk to him. So he knows I'm there and I'm watching. Now, if this cry starts to really elevate, really high, I walk back in. I literally, like what's called brushing, but I brush his back. I'm right here, buddy. Don't worry about it. I'm totally okay. I'll be right out there. And then you walk back out. His cries go up a little bit and then they go sharply down because he's like, oh yeah, dad's right there. Like I could totally relax. It's remarkable and it's freaking saving, completely saving. Now, looking interesting. Now, cause she's not there, right? This nanny is not there. She's coaching virtually. No, but the team, Battelle, you hook up a camera and you allow them to have access to the camera. So while you're doing this process. They can see everything. They'll coach you. They'll say, hey, no, you did too much of that or not enough. Yes. And you know what the problem is, is that they'll organize the cries. So there's like a level one, level two, level three and level four cry. Parents naturally will think a level one or two cry is a three or four. And they'll tell you that. Of course. Like, oh no, no, no. He's calming down. Don't worry. Everybody's crying. No, no, no. He's totally fine. He's, you know, just give him a second and then sure enough. And you can talk to them in real time. They're watching you. You know, if you want them. Now, obviously they're not doing anything that's miraculous. It's more of the coaching and stuff like that. Looking back now, what would you say were the biggest mistakes that you guys made or that you didn't do that would have helped? Well, I think the biggest, there's a lot of challenges initially. Of course. With the baby. One was, was he getting enough milk when, you know, when she was nursing him? Two was, you know, he was, was he, did he need us to be with him and come for him? Or in the, the common, I guess, strategy is for parents and doc, our pediatrician told us this. Just let him cry. Now that'll work at some point, but the problem is, and instinctually, I don't like it because they fucking, their cortisol goes through the roof. They're screaming. They're, they're, they're stressed out. And they eventually out of exhaustion have to go to sleep. So that's why we never did that. So challenges. I mean, I think we probably misinterpreted some of his protest cries as like things that needed to be comforted. Yeah. I mean, I have this like support and structure. So, and I mean, they're so good. I'll tell you what, I told the founder, I would never say this to anybody that I'm doing business with, but I said, you're charging too little. I said, you need to charge more. I'm serious. Well, cause I'm sure people in that position are pretty desperate, right? So if you got to a point where you were ready to hire someone to help put the kid down, you probably are in a very desperate spot. You get godsend at that point. I mean, I, I definitely think that. And some kids are harder than others, by the way. Some kids just go right to sleep. But there's some kids where, man, it can be really challenging. One of the probably the best advices that we ever received was just the importance of routine and consistency in the routine in the setup. And it's not like what we talk about with preparing before bed for, yeah, nobody, you know, nobody really gets ready for sleep as far as getting there as adults. We talk about this. It's even more important for children. We have to be protective over it. Yeah, I remember Katrina wanted to, and I love her for this for, cause I was on board too, but that she was ready to start it really early. The first time, I think, which is after a week, right? One is when you do the first bath, right? So once he was in his first bath, we began building that routine of, soon as he comes out of the bath, he goes on to mom and dad's bed, we dry him off, he gets all his clothes on, we do his lotions, stuff like that. Then we rebook, even when he didn't understand anything. Like it was basically me reading to Katrina, we already started this pattern. And there was rules and boundaries that we set as far as the time that it would, all those steps would take, what would happen when we put him to bed, the way the room was set. How brilliant that is that you guys did that because what it does is think about it. If the main reason why a baby or a child is having issues sleeping on their own is that they're afraid or they're not sure of their own security, creating that structure, it's predictable. So he literally knows. Provide safety for them. Totally. It's like, imagine if you came to work and everything was in different places and you'd be like- You know what's wild about it too? Is that every detail matters to this point, right? So like when I said there's all these different rules, every time you deviate from it, you're in for a rougher night. Exactly. So like one of the things we learned really early on, we were so consistent with the way he was on the bed that when he got to an age when he could crawl around and get off the bed, we would not allow that. Like when it was reading time, when it's reading time and mommy and daddy are laying here with you just cause he can crawl and he can get down and go get his own, but we wouldn't allow it. It's like, no, no, no. And we did it in a way that wasn't like, you know, yelling at the kid or disciplining him. I was just like, no, no, no. You pull him back, pull him back. So when it comes bedtime, it's like he doesn't even see the floor anymore. There's like the hour before bedtime, he doesn't even get to get on the floor. So brilliant. And you know, here's the other thing, your energy. Like if you think about it this way, if you're on a plane, because this was exactly the scenario I thought about, imagine being on a plane and feeling like crazy turbulence all of a sudden and then you hear a noise and imagine if the stewardess or the, you know, the people working on the plane come out and freak out the flight attendant. Imagine if they came out and freaked out. Oh my God, everybody's gonna panic. Now imagine if they come out and they're super smiling and calm. Hey, you know, lots of turbulence, everything's fine. Like you're reading their energy, right? So if your kid sees you stressed or anxious or not calm, not happy, they're like, why, oh, I guess I shouldn't be relaxed. I remember when we, this was before we even had Max, I was telling you guys this, or I speculate that the kids have a heightened ability to feel energies because that's only, their only way of communication. That's a great observation. I really believe, just like you've heard this before, right? Somebody who loses their eyesight tends to have like phenomenal hearing because of that because the other senses are heightened because you've lost one or whatever. And when a child can't talk really, their vision isn't completely there very much. I think their ability to feel is like elevated way more than a lot of people realize. Yeah, you're reading all of your body language so much more. So much more. And because they're so dependent on you, they probably evolved to be far more intuitive to your cues because like they can't do anything for themselves. A baby literally, like you put them out in nature, they can't do anything. When they get old, you run into weird issues like this where I'm at the grocery store, right? So we're in truckie and I was like getting like groceries and I had to get some olive oil. And so we went back and grabbed it and we get to the counter. And Everett's like, what does virgin mean? He's virgin olive oil. And I'm just like, oh, buddy. And then Ethan chimes in. He's just like, oh, it means that you can't have babies. I'm like, can't have babies yet? Or I'm like, well, okay, I guess that's like close enough. We're just gonna wrap that up. And so the checker's checking us out. And he's like, you know that you can't have babies with this. To the checker? And I'm just like, oh my God. That's right, buddy. Let me go right over to the checker checker. You're just like bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, like whatever. And I was dying inside. That's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's baby free olive oil. Kids are great, dude. I love hearing kids talk about things that they don't really understand, but to hear what their understanding is. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, it just cracks me up. No, I'm excited for that. That age is when they're so curious they ask a million questions. My buddy's daughter who's three and a half to one on four when I thought, I just was, she was, she's so intelligent. She's reading already and she's picking up this big vocabulary. And we were talking about when she said, people ask her how she's doing. Oh, I'm fine. Or she used all the, so I'm trying to teach her new words. I was teaching her kosher. Now when one mistake I made, she was like, she looked right back at me and she wants to know, well, what does that mean? So I'm trying to like, well, she's actually, I know the slang version of it, but I actually don't know the word. I didn't know, I had to go back and like look it up to actually give her the true origin of that. I didn't know what the true origin of kosher was. I thought, well, it's kind of how you say, things are okay or, you know, whatever. That's how I would say it slang, but I'm like, I don't want to be quizzed by this four year old and not be able to answer the real answer. So I'm like on my phone, like Googling, I didn't know what it's from. Do you guys know where kosher comes from? Doesn't it mean that- It's a Jewish practice, right? The rabbi like blesses a food. Food has to be prepared in a particular way. It was, yeah. So it's a Jewish, it's a Jewish thing and that it was, it had to be salted a certain way. And if it once it was, then it was okay to eat. It had to be slaughtered a certain way too, right? Is there a whole process? I don't know if there was a slaughtering process, but I know the preparation of the food and the meat and there, I know there's a salting process. And then basically saying it's kosher, it's okay. It's been done. So like if someone were to get food and they say, is this kosher? Meaning has all that purifying process happened and that means okay. Now the slang use of it is okay. Like, oh yeah, I'm kosher, I'm okay. But where it derived from was originally from that was saying that the meat is kosher. Yeah, speaking of meat, I know I've talked about this before, but I want to hammer this home for a lot of people watching and listening. There's so much value, nutritional value and performance value in eating organ meats. Every single time I include organ meats. So like liver, heart, kidney or spleen into my diet. And here's the thing, you don't need a lot of it. So it's not like I'm eating like a whole plate. It's so dense with nutrients. Well, like liver is so dense that if you ate a lot of it every day you would actually get detoxic. Yeah, you get too much vitamin A or too much iron. But man, every time I do that I notice improvements in performance and strength, how I feel. You only need a little bit every single week. Now of course the problem is it doesn't taste very good. That's always my show. I always like try and make an effort to do that. And then you just get like, I'm like, I don't know if I could really include this in any more meals. It just gets to the point where you're like, I was trying hard and it just, you know, it doesn't stick. So what I do is I'll take like 10 ounces of ground beef and I'll add a half an ounce of ground up organ meat. And then you can't really do this. You can't possibly do this every week, can you? Cause I've tried to do this and I'm inconsistent. No, I throw it in. I'll go through a period where I do it like twice a week for a few weeks and then I don't do it for months. So then if you're not, are you supplementing during that week or what do you do? Depends how much organ meat I had. But if I go for like more than a month then I do like organ, like I do, like Paleo Valley has organ complex. So I'll do that. So basically they're in capsule. So it's freeze dried. Yeah, it's a lot easier. Yeah, liver, kidney, heart, all that stuff. So you get a lot of the nutrients and it's, it's freeze dried. So it's not. I don't know this dumb question or not, but you are the one that got me to start freezing my fish oil so it stays better longer. Do you need to do that with those? Or is it okay to keep the- No, no, no, no, no. They don't repeat on you or answered. Yeah, they don't repeat on you or go back. No, they're freeze dried. So they have a long shelf life just in capsule form. But yeah, that is a good point with fish oil. Like if freeze it or refrigerate it because it's a food and it'll go bad. If you ever, you ever test that? Yeah, I've smelled some rancid fish oil. It was disgusting. Oh dude, especially burping out. It's absolutely. Hey, back to the kid talk. I was gonna tell you guys this. So we were talking about like when kids start to realize certain things. So my son's 15. So he's at the age where he knows a lot of stuff but he doesn't realize that slang and stuff. He thinks like slang and certain words are just hip to like kids' age and that like. Oh, like you don't know? He's the only one that didn't know. Yeah, dude. So like, we'll say something in conversation and then he'll be like, that's what she said. Like kind of funny. And I'm looking at him like, do you do realize everybody here knows what you're referring to? You know what I'm saying? Is that just you and your friends on that one? It'll be, and I don't even wanna repeat half the shit. Dude, it's bad stuff. That can mean one thing, but it can also mean something else. That's hilarious. Cause I was giving Ethan an ever grief about this cause it kept using the, you know, your mama stuff. And I'm like, you guys understand, like you guys have the same mom. This doesn't work unless it's like when your friend's mom's, okay? So stop. They keep rolling, courting into the bus. That's not how it works. Why doesn't anybody say your dad jokes? Yeah. It's not a thing. You know, we're just more protective over mom. Exactly, you know. Cause people will be like, I don't give a shit. Make fun of my dad. Dad would ever do it. Yeah. Don't talk about my mom. Yeah, when I was very like, that was a big deal for me. Not that your mama jokes, but like if I had friends around my mom and if they made, if they acted a particular way, oh, I blast them. Like that's my mom. Yeah. You can't say a bad word. You talk about my mom. Don't say a bad word in front of my mom. My mom used to get a big ol' kick out of it. She'd be like, oh, my son. I love him so much. He protects me. Did you guys see our boy Hunter McIntyre winning first place in his race again? Did you see him that he just did? I forget the name of the company that he just, the guy's always been. That guy's a machine. Awesome. Did you also see- I saw him call out Joe Donnelly. That's what I was alluding to right now. So I didn't know if you saw that or not. Did you see that? I saw that. So what is, did anything happen out of that? I know he kind of- So what happened was, I guess Joe Donnelly did a post of, which by the way, I don't see this is all like me getting it. I was talking to Hunter after the fact to get all the story on how this all played out, right? So Joe, I guess did this thing where he was wearing a weighted vest and did some like two mile time. I had like a, you know, 14 incline or something, like something, and it was impressive as shit. Now was it real or did he just say it? Well, I don't know. He has a tendency to say stuff. Well, that's what, which was so great because Hunter called it out. Cause he basically said, Joe was basically throwing it out there. So I bet nobody can do this, you know? And then he did, and he does that right with his workouts and then he does insane amount of sets and then like calls him and then everybody fucking kills himself trying to do it cause they think he was really doing it, right? So somebody out there, dude. Yeah. So Hunter like, Hunter jumped in real quick was like, I'll take that challenge all day. That's what I love about him. Yeah. He's like, let's go, you know? And so he completely went like radio silent ended up blocking Hunter over it. And so at that I'm like, dude, you chicken shit. Come on. If you're gonna put it out there like that and call everybody out and then Hunter calls him out to do something and people started throwing money in it. That's how I got involved was like, I'll put some money on this. Like, hey, I should start a go fund. I would love to see this race. So I mean, they could make some money off of it. That's the problem with building your whole brand around how badass you are. There's going to be someone out there, right? It's always somebody better than you. Always. Sorry. Yeah. So many lift more than you. Somebody can run fast in you. So many jump higher. Like always and Hunter is an animal, dude. That guy is just when you talk about like the most competitive dude I think we've met and just his overall performance. I mean, the dude is strong. He's fast. He's got endurance. Like he's just his brain produces three times the dope. That's my theory. He makes a shit ton of dopamine when you talk to him, when you hear him do what he's doing, what he does. I know. Like, dude, you got like just amped always. Yeah. It's like natural cocaine. I'm always envious of people that have that kind of energy level. Like I think I'm pretty high energy and outgoing and all that. But you meet someone like him and his personality just dwarfs mine. Like he is just this as soon as he walks in the room, he's and it's always consistent like that. I've never ran into him where he's just kind of like, I'm chill today. It's just always high energy. I wonder if there's a negative to that, though. What would be the negatives to? Sure. This yeah, maybe that high in one direction. Well, I think one of the negatives would be having to live up to that all the time, right? Imagine if you were all wants to chill night. Exactly 90 percent of the time you're like that. Then all of a sudden you want to like relax and then everybody what's wrong with you? Yeah, you OK? Yeah, what's wrong? I also wonder if those you're not really hunter today. Yeah, if there's like if there's also opposing low lows, you know what I mean? Oh, extremes. Yeah, if he's like that a lot and that's a really good point. And that's normally how it works, right? So if you if he just wears his emotions like on his sleeves like that, right? If you're super positive, happy, extreme, there's probably the extreme. That's a good question to ask him. I've known people like that. I've worked with people like that where they go like a million miles an hour for a while and then they crash and then they just it's like a completely different person. Borderline, you know, like not bipolar, not something medical, but it's pretty it's pretty dramatic, the shift. Anyway, want to bring something up. We did an episode where we talked about footbinding and I said that they did in Japan. I thought they did in Japan and then I got corrected that they did it in China. Right. They also practiced in Japan. Oh, they did. They didn't know when you're wrong or still right. That's the one time I was wrong. That's when I thought I was wrong. He had to bring that up. I did. No, somebody somebody sent it to me. So somebody from Japan said, oh, no, they practiced it in Japan as well, not nearly as much as they practiced it in. Not quite as popular. Now we know what you did all weekend. Yeah, I don't know what the hell's going on. There's no way. It's just not wrong. I'll find a way to be right. Let me find one blog. There's like, yeah, I was going to say one blog of like five people that did it over in Japan. There's like one family that, yeah. They moved from China. They moved from China. They kept the practice going. So technically I'm right. Did you guys hear about, let me see if it's, I don't know if this is real or not, but I read about this and this was in the Red Sea and there was a guy parasailing. So you guys know what parasailing is, right? So they hooked you up. Is this the one where you get pulled behind the boat and you're in a, you have like a rope parachute. And a parachute, which by the way, is boring as hell. Like, I don't know if you guys ever done this. Really? Dude, it's so dumb. You look at it. I haven't done it, but I actually want to do it. And like, I just want to, it has, every time I've gone to do it, I ended up getting busy with something else. But I feel like you guys never go to Hawaii. I feel like in Hawaii it'd be amazing. No dude, like, okay. When you see it in your own vacation, and you're with your girl. For like a perspective, yeah. Like that would be so cool. No dude, you sit in the back, the boat goes, you float up and you just float. And you look around. Okay. And then they slow down to get back to water. So you didn't like it, huh? It's, it's not, it's nothing. It's not a big deal. Have you done it, Doug? I've done it a couple of times. I actually enjoyed it. Oh, did you really? Yeah. What's wrong with you guy? Why'd you enjoy it? You're up above the water. You're floating. It's like flying. Come on. I'm with you, Doug. It's fun. It's fun. Now we're you, now we're you. You just got flappy arms, Sal. Are you scared? No bro, after a few minutes, it's boring. What are you doing up there? You're floating, it's nice and quiet up there. You're like a child. You're gonna be entertained every two minutes. No, right. It's like I miss my iPad. It's nothing to do up here. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Parasailing. No, so it did get exciting for one person in the Red Sea. Oh, right. So what happened? So this guy was parasailing. And he's a 37-year-old Jordanian man in the Red Sea. And he was hovering above the water. When it's ready for this, a shark jumps out of the water and bites off his foot. No way. No, it takes a chunk out of his foot. Is this two sharks in the Red Sea? I don't, I guess. I'm gonna send this in the Red Sea. I don't know. I'm gonna send this to Doug. I thought it was like enclosed. It wasn't like part of the pool. Yeah, like it's a big lake. It's not really like a Red Sea. No, it's the Red Sea, not the Red Lake. But anyway, no, I just sent the link to Doug. So no, the guy's like hovering in a freaking shark bite. Now is this like current news or is this like you did last time where it was like 10 years old? No, no, no, no, no, this is the last shark. The last shark fact you brought up, we had to go back and research the 1990s. No, no, no, no, this was a recent video that just happened. Really? It's a video. You can watch this video. Isn't this the Moses Red Sea? Is this the same one we're talking about here? It is. It did. He parted the Red Sea, right? Some demon shark. Yeah. Just there. Just ready to just eat. Yeah. Watch Doug's gonna pull it up. Dude, first of all, could you be any more terrified? You don't expect the shark to jump up. You're floating. Let's crackle, though. To grab. It's crackling. The video, I guess. Oh, is this what was on the- I mean, is that like a streaming platform? I have no idea. Oh, Sal just sent this to you. You sent me this link and I'm pulling it up. Well, while you're looking that up, I'm gonna read some numbers because I wanna talk a little bit about- If he just reads random numbers, four, five, seven. No, no, no, I'm gonna read. I wanted to have a little discussion around this just to hear what you guys think. Because I just still, I don't know. I'm super fascinated with what's going on in our economy, just with the amount of money that we've printed in the last couple of years, what's going on with house prices, what's going on in the stock market, what's going on with jobs. Gas prices. We're at a really interesting time and typically we are able to pull from our current situations and go, oh, this is a lot like in 1970 something or 90 something and speculate on what's happening, but- This is unprecedented. It is unprecedented. And so I'm just so curious on what we're seeing. So I wanna read some stuff to you guys and hear your thoughts. Oh, by the way, there's a shark that lights off his foot. Watch. Watch this. Look at it. Boom, jumps out and grabs a chunk out of his foot. Now, can you, do you get to sue the parasailing company for that? Who gets in trouble for that? I don't have no idea, dude. But the shark jumped up and grabbed him on the foot. What kind of shark is that? See, this is why I don't go in the water. You know why? It thinks it's fly fishing, that's what it looks like, right? Stupid. Dumb. Anyway, dangling. Okay, yeah, come on with these numbers. Yeah, okay, here's some numbers for you, okay? So 4 million, so 2.7% people quit their jobs in April. People, and here's some of the reasons why. People stuck with their jobs, they hated doing during the pandemic and now it's pandemic's coming out and so we're like, okay, I wanna move on. Retiring early due to stocks and real estate was another reason they speculated. Re-evaluating career after a year reflection, that was another speculation. Also, at the same time, there's a record number of available jobs, 9.3 million. This is also the lowest jobless teens we've seen since 1953 at 9.9% unemployed. So one out of every 10 leisure, and here's another one here, one out of every 10 leisure and hospitality jobs is open right now. So over 1.6 million spots are open. I don't know if you guys have seen like the posts from McDonald's and Burger King, like they're giving incentives to try and get these minimum wage workers to come back into those positions. There's no incentive because people are getting paid to not work. So that is one of the theories. You think it's just that? I do. You do. I do. If you look at the majority of people who tend to work these types of jobs, getting free money from the government, it replaces it and sometimes even surpasses it. I mean, I know unemployment benefits in California will pay you more often times than. So I've heard people say that. I haven't met somebody. I haven't met somebody yet or there. I've yet to meet somebody. You've never met anybody that said, I'm not gonna look for a job because then I won't get this unemployment? Well, no, my mother said that to me years ago. I mean, I'll never forget that. And that's what made, changed my whole thought on how I felt about minimum wage. Matter of fact, I started to piece that together when I was in my early 20s, when I came home to visit my mother one time and she was collecting unemployment. And I know how smart and capable my mom is. And I know she lives in a small town where it's not very expensive. Back then I think the rent was like $700 or less a month to rent the house. And I was like, hey, why don't you go down to Starbucks and get a job there? I know in no time you'll be in management because of her leadership skills. And then they get benefits and they have decent pay. They start you out. And her response to me was, well, son, why would I do that? And she kind of broke down the math for me and said, she's actually being smart. She technically would make a little more money on Starbucks, but it wasn't enough, right? It wasn't enough to the gap between what she made by not being home or not taking that job was a small enough number that it was like, I have all this free time that I could do other things or pursue looking for a career I'd rather do. Yeah, and then also with some of those numbers, the way that they calculate people are unemployed is changed. So now people who are no longer looking for work who give up, people like, I'm not gonna even look for work anymore. They take them out of that equation. And a lot of people dropped out of the workforce over the last 20-something years where they're just like, I'm not even gonna work anymore. Older people and definitely younger people are just like, I'm not doing it. And so they take that out. So when we see unemployment numbers, it isn't truly reflect how many people are not working. I thought it was an interesting stat was them talking about the retirement. There's a lot of people that retired early because of what happened with the stocks in the housing. Yeah, then inflated prices and they're like, cool, I can balance. Yeah, imagine if you're in your fifties but you bought your house 10, 15 years ago. I mean, just in- Just cash that in. If you lived in California, you could have made a million dollars in a 10-year gap, depending on where you bought at that time. And so there's a lot of people that are retiring early because of the money that they have now from both stocks and or real estate. It's crazy. Here's another thing that they're talking about doing. They're trying to get, the US is trying to get other developed nations to agree on a worldwide minimum corporate tax rate. So in other words, they're trying to get all these countries- That way you can't go out, which is so popular. Why? Exactly. Because the second that you bring the corporate tax rate up to high, companies do the smart thing. Yeah, they're like right here. Yeah, they move because- No, I can't imagine any other countries would even agree to that because part of why they love that the United States does the stupid stuff like that is they're like, great, Apple will come to our country and help supply jobs. Not if we flex. So not if we say something like, if you don't pass this, then we're going to make sure. Yeah, we're going to charge you this tariff or we're not going to do that or whatever to use our- I mean, do you do- One world government. Do you foresee Biden getting gangster like that? I mean, that's a Trump move, right? But do you think he's going to do something like that? Oh, I think- Or do you think this is just all talk? No, they're really trying hard to dramatically increase the taxes that people are going to pay for lots of things, definitely, dramatically. So I think this is something that they're trying to do. I know like the quote that they said was something like 90% of the countries that they're talking to have agreed to doing something like this, so. And I hope it doesn't happen because it reduces the capital that's invested in research and development, innovation. It's, governments are notorious at terrible management of money. Nobody spends money worse on the person who pays no consequences. Exactly, what are they going to do with it? For spending it terribly. It just doesn't make- If I gave you 10 grand and I said, here you go, go to Vegas. By the way, if you blow it all, I'll give you another 10 grand. What are you going to do? You're going to blow every single penny. So it's really, I hope. Did you get a chance to listen to the Ben Shapiro and Russell Brands? I didn't. Oh, damn it. I really wanted you to listen to that because I wanted to hear you. I didn't know I'd like it that much. Did I talk? I don't know if I brought that up. You did. I did bring it up on the podcast. Yeah, you said it was really, really good. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I guess I really enjoyed it because, I mean, I like when my mind's been changed, right? I had, I thought about, I didn't like, I think a lot of the other things that I'd maybe heard Russell Brandt talk about before. And maybe that's because I'd never listened to a full two hours of him have dialogue with someone like that. And so it completely changed my mind on how I thought about him. I was not a fan of him until that conversation. Speaking of celebrities and changing minds, Bill Cosby. Oh, wow. Holy cow. How did this happen? Dude, I posted up. Yeah, because, dude, like, I mean the amount of women that came forward and like, so how, so how, what kind of lawyer does he have? That's what I wanted to know. I have no idea. I don't know. I think they called it a mistrial or something or there's new evidence or, but he's out, dude. And that is. Is he out now or is he going to be out? He's going to be infuriating for all these people. Doug, maybe you can find out. I think he's out now, yeah. Oh, he's out already. Wow. The memes that people are making. I know, man. I just shared one yesterday. They're so crazy. They're so crazy. They're so crazy. I don't know who this lady mistrial is, but I sure like to buy her a drink. Oh. Oh, man. I was like too early? I don't know, maybe. Oh, God. Bill Cosby. Yeah. Did you see Nicole Arbor's comment on it about, because there's a big movement around free Britney Spears right now because of that whole thing. She goes, I know what you can do is just identify as Bill Cosby. Yeah, dude. Oh, that was pretty funny too. That was pretty clever. What's the deal with Britney? What's up with everybody defending her? Because her dad has this crazy. I knew you'd know about this. I answered too fast. Listen, my girl's in dire need. I think maybe it's this I heard from somebody. Yeah, no, her dad has this crazy contract where, or a power of attorney over her. Conservative ship or something like that? Yeah, I forget what it's called, right? But it's something like that. Dictatorship. Basically he has pretty much, he has control of her finances. So, now I think she released that early on and obviously it's now got to a point where it's ridiculous. She's fighting for getting somebody else, anybody else to have this conservatorship over, besides her family, I guess, was part of the point, right? Yeah. Yeah, just because they've mismanaged it so much and kept her under their thumb. What a shitty dad. I know, that's the thing. I think it's just totally tarnished their- She's what, in her late 30s right now? Right? Family, yeah. Did you know her exact age? No, I don't know her exact age. You didn't know her birthday? You're a liar. I do, it's December 4th, but I mean- Son, no, you don't! Are you serious? Oh, no. Look at that, Doug, see how close I am. Oh my God. So, they did this all when she like shaved her head and they thought, you know, she had- They forced her to take medication. Oh, that was two days off. December 2nd. Are you serious? Look at you, dude. Damn, no, you're- He did have a toaster, but I know you're not. That is so creepy. Do you still, now, do you still think she's like super hot? I mean, when you have, when you're, I don't think she's still hot. She's had a hard road. Yeah, exactly. That's fashion. Thank you, Justin. That's fashion for you know what I'm saying? You know, if I loved her back then and we were married, so that's the lover, you know what I'm saying? So she's a little, a little worn, rough, rough past decade or so, you know what I'm saying? A couple bumps in there. Yeah, yeah. She's been through some speed bumps. Yeah, dude, she does look like she's been through a lot. So I felt, you know, I mean, I know some people are like, oh my God, how can you feel sorry for celebrities and this and that, but, you know, a lot of these celebrities, I always feel for celebrities that became famous as children. Yes. Oh, bro, that's the point, right? Because if you, if you, and I don't know any better. And you should have compassion, like for all the people that just hate on people that have lots of money. Just because they have a lot of money. I know, it's like. Well, no, the predators you see surrounding them, like as they get so famous and they're just like just going and blowing the money everywhere. As a kid, you don't know any better. I mean, I'm sure if you asked me when I was 12, would you want to be famous and rich? My quick answer would be yes, you know, definitely. Yeah. You know, just like most kids would probably say, because at that time, all you're thinking about is jet skis and traveling the world. Yeah, I'd be like, if you asked a seven-year-old, do you want to eat candy all day long? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But adult, you know, with a stomach ache and how much problems that would cause and that would be terrible, right? Well, that's why I always feel for these kids that become celebrities so early because they don't learn so many life lessons. And then when they do start to learn lessons, they have this distorted image of what real life is like. I would, that's the worst possible thing, I think. Like I don't show or talk about my kids too much on social media because my fear would be, let's say, you know, the small chance that Mind Pump explodes and then my kids are known for being my kids. And now they have attention and fame. And what does that teach them? That they're important for nothing that they did, that they're important for either how they look or what their dad does or whatever. And then when you fall from that, that is a hard fall. So if you're like a child star and you, you know, for two or three years, you're like beloved by everybody. Everybody says yes to everything that you ask. Yeah. Everybody thinks you're great. Then all of a sudden you're not popular anymore, which is what happens with celebrities. Imagine what that feels like as a kid. What isn't anybody like me like they used to? What happened? No identities wrapped into it. Oh yeah, dude. Just taken away from you. And of course they turned to drugs and alcohol and promiscuity and all that other shit. Hell no. Find me one child star that didn't have challenges with that. It's pretty hard. Yeah, I don't, do you guys know any? I don't know any that have not been through like the ringer as far as like rehab. Like really, really, like how many kids do we, or how many people do we know that were like childhood stars like her that are pretty, for what you know, a pretty normal. I don't know any. Now some of them came out of it okay, but I don't know any that didn't have like, You're crazy. No. That's the, I'll tell you what, the last thing I would wish upon my kids. Mario Lopez maybe? It's been. What's his background? What's his story? Really? Macaulay Calkin seemed a little normal. I mean, I'm only, surprisingly. Macaulay Calkin? Have you heard him on Rogan? Yeah. Oh no, he was on Rogan? Yeah, I mean he was actually pretty measured, but yeah, I mean he admits that it was all crazy. Like the whole thing, the whole ride, like he, it was just like this, this whirlwind experience and didn't know what he was doing, but like kind of got his stuff together later on in life and pulled it back together. But like it, I was actually surprised that he wasn't like just really weird, you know? Did they talk about the Michael Jackson thing at all? Yeah, there's nothing weird about that. That's the thing. I think he barely did like, he was just a friend and like he was trying to like keep this whole dividing. He still, he still stands by that hole. Like I didn't see none of it. You're not buying it or what? No, dude. Come on, bro. What grown man sleeps with another kid. The Jesus juice. At that, is that your kid in the same bed and? I mean, yeah, but also what a, I mean, what a master plan that would be to make sure you befriend somebody that is a kid that it's got that much power and fame and that could be an advocate for you so you could get away with a bunch of other bullshit. So what you're saying is that child predators are very planned, right? Jackson had a type. Well, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you were, if he's a predator, like many people believe that he is, right? That he is a predator, then wouldn't it be a pretty smart strategy to befriend a famous child and not do anything promiscuous with them so that when people ask, they're gonna think this kid was telling the truth and all these nobody kids who would be wanting his money. That's, I mean, that would be my theory on something like that. Yeah, I know that makes sense. I mean, why wouldn't he come out by now and say that? I mean, Michael Jackson's long gone and I mean. Because then he'll go back in what he said before, maybe. Yeah, I was a kid, I was traumatized. There's a lot of ways out. Yeah, I guess you're right. You know what I'm saying? To me, the most logical thing is that, okay, if he was a predator, that would be a very smart thing to do is to keep someone who's young and close to you and that is saying, no, we've always been great and we do sleep in the same bed, but we're like friends. It's not like one of you never slept in the front with another guy or what like that, like when you were a young kid. Hey, hey, hey. When you're the young kid as the adult, that's fucking weird. For the kid, he don't know any different, right? You know what I'm saying? The kid thinks that's normal or whatever like that. They don't know the difference. I'm always like, what parents left their kids at Michael Jackson's house to do that? Well, did you ever, did you guys watch that crazy two-part documentary that was? No man, I watched some of it and it had changed. It made me just ill. So I watched it and, because I said the same thing too, like how could you be a parent and do that? And they talk about like- That's like their ticket to fame and they're like, oh yeah. Well, not only that, but like it didn't happen. It wasn't like Michael Jackson rolled up, saw a kid at a concert. No, he built trust. Yeah, he built trust with the family and then they feel like he's a, you know what I'm saying? And imagine that you- Everybody's staying at the same hotel and eventually the kid stays at the same hotel. After I watched that documentary, I did have a little bit better understanding of like how a parent could allow that to happen not to say that I would, right? But some of these kids were young, dude. Yeah. I don't want my six-year-old sleep over anyone's house. I don't care. He's six years old. Maybe grandma and grandpa, that's it. Right, right. You know? Well, I mean like some of these people built that strong of a relationship where they felt that connection to Michael. Plus I think you have a bit of a self-selection bias of people who want to live by care as the kid is. Yeah, totally. Get them famous. Totally. So they'll like, you know, stretch their- For sure. Yeah. I mean you've got parents that are taking their young kid to multiple concerts and their fans themselves. So you're right. I think there's a little self-selection. Now speaking of crazy stuff, I got to tell you guys about these TikTok influencers that almost died. Really? Yes. And the world rejoiced. Yeah, so there's these TikTok influencers who picked up this flower. Which is a real thing. And we're just smelling the hell out of it and talking about how delicious the smell is and it's so amazing. And this is so cool. Not realizing that these women accidentally drug themselves because they literally were smelling one of the scariest hallucinogenic narcotics known to man. So there's this flower that's poisonous and it's got, I forgot the name of the compound. It's called Devil's Breath is the name of the flower. Never heard of this. And it contains a compound called scopolamine, which is a very, very scary hallucinogenic where if you breathe it in off the flower and you smell enough of it, it'll put you in this paralyzed hallucinogenic state so you're like frozen and you're just freaking the shit out. Freaking the fuck out. And that's what happened to these girls. They went through the night, had a just terrifying night and then the next they found out that it was because they were smelling this big yellow poisonous flower on TikTok. That would have been a great time to put a commercial from youflowers.com in there, dude, right there. It's talking about flowers. I don't know if you want to associate that with the positive flowers. If you could send Devil's Breath flowers to someone, make you a million dollars. Wow. Who sent me flowers? I'm an asshole. I haven't seen the final numbers so the campaign's not done with, I think I told our audience if we were gonna work with from youflowers.com or not but the stuff's starting to trickle in now. At first I thought it was, we had a terrible response from our audience that you guys were all fucking bad people. They don't send flowers, right? But recently I've been getting more and more message of people going, oh man, actually it was really great. It's a great service. Can't believe how cheap it was. So it's starting to trickle in now so we'll see if we continue on with it or not. Speaking of our sponsors, I've been drinking a lot of the, have you guys, I know you guys go on and off with the immunity from Organify, the orange flavored immunity. Man, I haven't had it in a while. It just tastes good. I just like putting it in a big cold jug of water and then just sipping on it and you have all the- Now is there any, there's no adverse effects from taking that on a regular basis, right? I mean, what's the main ingredient that's in there that's beneficial to? Well it's got vitamin D, it's got zinc, vitamin C but then it also has compounds that help boost the immune system. But it's nothing that if you drink on a regular basis would cause problems. So it's actually designed to be drinkable. Have you ever looked at like everything that's in there and said, try to compare it to like what you would have to do naturally to get all those things like in food, like if you were to try and put a cocktail together yourself? Well vitamin D and zinc are often nutrients that we miss. So that alone is challenging. Like vitamin D- I'm always trying to seek those out. Here's the crazy thing about vitamin D. I also supplement with five to 10,000 I use of it every day and I get my blood tested two or three times a year and my vitamin D comes in right in the fucking middle. And that's five to 10,000 a day. So there's a big individual variance in terms of how well your body produces and utilizes in stores vitamin D. Yeah. Do you know why you think that is for you? Like I have a theory- Maybe because I'm dark skin and so when I go out in the sun I don't convert vitamin D as well as like Justin. So my theory on myself was that as a kid I was in the sun all the time and probably didn't have any of that skin issues or anything like I have now. And then as I got older I just, so my body I think got adapted to getting so much of it. And then now I don't give it nearly enough. I wonder, that's a good point. Right, I mean, I don't know. So it got really good at managing the incredible amounts of sun you got. Yes. But now that you don't get nearly as much sun now you're deficient. Yes. That makes sense. I guess, I don't know. Okay, real quick. I hope you're enjoying this episode. Head over to mindpumpfree.com. Check out all of our free information on training, nutrition. We even have free stuff for personal trainers to make you a better and more successful personal trainer. Again, it's mindpumpfree.com. All right, enjoy the rest of the podcast. First question is from Moe Strength Gains. Is there any instance where partial reps are better than a full range of motion? Oh, good old partial reps versus full range of motion. Are they worth anything? Are they worth anything? To be continued. I brought this up before, but in the 90s there was a book, early 90s that came out. I think it was called, I don't remember the name of it. I'm trying to remember it, but Paul DeMeo was on the cover. He's a bodybuilder who passed away. And in this particular book, the author promoted heavy partials over full range of motion. He said, if you do a partial with lots and lots of weight, the load stimulates more muscle in the full range of motion. Anyway, it turned out to be wrong. Nobody builds more muscle that way. So generally speaking and study support this, full range of motion is superior. Now, are there cases where partial range of motion is better? Absolutely. If you're an athlete and there's a specific range of motion that you need to train. That'd be the only example I was gonna bring up. Yes, like if you're a basketball player, full range of motion squats aren't gonna benefit you as much as partial range of motion squats because when you're jumping, you're not going all the way down and jumping up. You want to generate power in, you know, like a more of a, like, I mean, it's definitely a partial squats kind of situation. Yes. You're gonna do that in terms of like going all the way down to a squat, you're never gonna really see that. Yes, now the other way is if there's a part of your range of motion that is just disproportionately not stable or you just need to improve it better. So like, let's say for example, when you do a squat, when you get down to the bottom, you just lose a lot of stability and strength and it's disproportionate how much you're supposed to lose when you do the bottom, when you're at the bottom. Well, then it might be good to do kind of bottom position squats where you squat down to the very bottom and you come up a little bit, yeah, right? Or if you have issues with lockout, like power lifters will do sometimes these lockout bench presses to help with lockout. But besides these specific ways of applying partials, besides that full range of motion, generally we'll give you bet and of course, it's all within the context of good form, good technique, good stability, full range of motion with bad stability is just a recipe for injury. So as long as everything's good, generally speaking, you're just gonna get better overall results. Yeah, it's rarely ever as good. It's definitely, I don't see it better unless it's very specific to that. Now I can see where it's less detrimental if you utilize it in certain cases. For example, if I do, if I'm training, let's say like 21s are an example of this, right? So bicep curl 21s, everyone's probably done these before where you come down halfway up seven times then you do start at the bottom, halfway up seven times then you do seven full range of motion. So I find that it's less detrimental if you also include full range of motion with that training session, right? So if you did an exercise where you're doing deep squats for two or three sets and then you have one set where you go like these short pumping sets, I don't think that's going to hurt your overall range of motion. And if I'm just trying to maybe, let's say, chase the pump because it's a hypertrophy phase of training, do I see some value in that? Do I think it's better than full range? No, I don't think it's better, but I think it's less detrimental as long as you are including the full range. I think that's a good point because you want to fight the bad patterns that may occur if you get really into the partial rep type of mentality, which in bodybuilding obviously, you could feel a lot of the pump from that and get the blood flow from that. So you feel like your muscles are really filling up, but then again, now we're slowly sort of degrading our range of motion and capabilities. And two, you're not going to be able to generate force in certain areas of these movements that you really need to. So to be able to include the full range with the partials is really essential. Well, you bring up a great point too with bodybuilding. I mean, you guys probably experienced this more so in having mind pump than you ever did before when you guys hired these models to shoot for our programs, right? So not to call anybody out specifically, but we've hired a bunch of models to shoot for the programs when we refaced them years ago. And of course we hired bodies that look aesthetically pleasing for camera and stuff and not thinking that, oh, these guys that have been training for 20 years of their life will have problems doing like an overhead press or a very basic movement, but they did. I remember Justin coming. I remember Justin texting me like, bro, what did you do to me here? I can't get these guys to do this exercise. It's like, it looks terrible. I don't know what to do. Am I going to scratch it or am I going to sub it for somebody else doing it? Well, you would never guess that because you look at their body and their body looks amazing. They've got an impressive body, but they can't produce that movement. And it's because they've trained this and we're specifically talking about the two exercises coming to mind that I remember Justin texting me about was overhead press. Overhead press and then the tricep extensions behind the head. So being able to keep the dumbbell behind your- And fully extend. Yeah, well, and also be able to pull- It requires a lot of shoulder mobility. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of shoulder mobility to pull your elbows back and not hit your dumbbell against your head. So, or you have to modify and arch your back like crazy in order to do that. And so a lot of these bodybuilders that look great, but because they do so many of that shortened range of motion, they lack mobility. Yeah, and again, generally speaking, full range of motion builds more muscle anyway in average people. Sometimes we look at bodybuilders and we use them as an example, but the problem is you're dealing with super genetically gifted, often anabolically enhanced athletes whose bodies respond way more to resistance training than the average person. So it's hard to say, oh, that's what's good because that's what works on this, 0.1% genetics type of a person. But yeah, full range of motion. There's also the sliding filament theory. I'm not gonna get super detailed in it, mostly because I can't explain it very well, but essentially muscle fibers- The vector, yeah. slide across each other. And in full range of motion means you're getting more of this motion. And each time it slides across and it contracts, these little attachments will form and break. That's what causes a little bit of that muscle damage and that soreness. The full of the range of motion, the more you're gonna get this action. The shorter the range of motion, the less you're gonna get of it. So that's why full range of motion, it's one of the theories to why full range of motion in studies tends to build more muscle than short range of motion, even if there's lighter weight with the full range of motion. Next question is from Estella Moschkow. Of all the forms of cardio, which would you guys recommend? Well, this really depends on who I'm talking to. If you're like a performance person, then that's gonna be very different than if you're just a general health and I wanna be lean kind of person. So if I'm talking to the general health, I just wanna be lean, I wanna maintain good health. I also do resistance training regularly. Then the one form I'm gonna recommend is walking. It requires the least skill and technique. So I'm not worried about whether or not you can't run or cycle or swim properly. You're probably not gonna hurt yourself walking. So that's number one, it's easy. You can do it anywhere. And it provides lots of health benefits. Studies show that just regular, consistent walking throughout the day has tremendous health benefits. Now, if you're an athlete and you wanna perform the whole different ball game, especially if I'm looking at a specific sport. Like if you're a runner, what kind of cardio am I gonna recommend mostly? Running, right? Cyclists cycling and so on. So it really does depend a lot on the person. I always feel like we have such a hard time with these questions. We just touched on something the other day about cardio and I was going through the YouTube comments and somebody said that these guys really hate cardio. Don't they? So wrong. And it is so wrong. So I'm always trying to think like, okay, how do I communicate this better so people understand that I don't hate cardio. I just, what I know is that we don't know enough about this person who's asking this question. Of all forms of cardio, which would you guys recommend? I know nothing about this person. I don't know what their goals are. Way too generic. And so it's really tough to answer this for this person and people that are thinking in the same place as this person is, right? So to your point, Sal, like what you're trying to get out of it or get out, it matters everything. So if you just wanna be healthy and you know, of course, then walking makes the move more. Yeah, it makes the most sense, right? Yeah, activity period. If your goal, which most people's goal is by the way, lose body fat, right, to get leaner, I think that it's a terrible form. And the reason why it's so terrible is because almost everybody that's ever sat in front of me and hired me to get them leaner and in better shape, what's going on with them nutritionally and activity-wise to introduce cardio to that person is a terrible thing to do at that point. At that point, they're normally under-eating nutrients that their body needs, over-consuming crap that they don't need. Their metabolism has slowed from years of being sedentary and under-eating, then over-eating- This is just gonna perpetuate the problem. Right, and so then I get somebody who when I look at their diet and I see, wow, this, you know, this male should be able to eat 3,000 to 3,500 calories and maintain a fit body. But what I'm looking at right now is somebody who eats 24 to 2,500 calories or so doesn't move heartily at all. And they're overweight. Yeah, and they're overweight. And me introducing cardio to that person- Is lose muscle. That's right. They're gonna slow down the metabolism. That's exactly what's going to happen. And so I'm only working against what their real goal is. Now, if you're somebody who likes to do cardio and you find it as meditative, you feel the energy throughout your day because you do it and then have fun with it, then my answer to this question is change it up. Swim for a while, row for a while, walk on the treadmill for a while, walk outside for a while. Like, and the whole novelty principle is gonna be true here. So there's a lot of benefit to doing all those different forms, but just you need to really understand clearly what your desired outcome, what your goal is and why you're asking a question like this. Yeah, I mean, the general answer is your personal preference. Like, honestly, it doesn't matter at all. To me, it's just about creating more opportunities for activity and that's gonna benefit you long-term anyways. But the point is to your fat loss point is most clients coming in, that's their thought is I have to get on the treadmill. I have to be on there at least an hour if I'm gonna get any kind of progress with like chipping away at my fat loss, which we just know there's a better way to do it and approach it. And for me, like I'm working with athletes, I wanna make it as specific as I can to having that translate to their specific sport on the field. And so if we're talking about like football, for instance, where I'm in it right now, I'm looking at opportunities for 20-yard sprints, 50-yard sprints. Like if you're a skill player, like 100-yard sprints and having that kind of explosive endurance so they could, on any kind of moment, just boom, burst and run, but then come back and be gathered and not be completely gassed out. So you gotta look at those things of like how this is gonna benefit me in my pursuits of these different type of activities. No, that's a great point. Like if you have somebody who like one of their favorite things to do, I have a client like this right now. She's getting ready to go, she signed up to hike half dome, right? So it makes sense to train that person to do something that is, that's gonna mirror the time that the half dome would take to get up there or the legs, the elevations, the hikes. Yeah, exactly, so. Carrying a backpack. Right, so if there's certain sports or activities that you're into, there's modes of cardio that would match that, that would carry over to that. That makes sense to do that, but knowing your goal is so important here and understanding what you're trying to get out of it. And I just, I think where we come off is cardio haters. It's not that, it's that 90% of the clients that hired you or hired us wanted to get the leaner, build muscle, lose body fat and where they're normally at in their current state, that's like the worst thing they could do. It is, and I'll tell you, look, just to put a nail on that, right? If your goal is general health longevity and body composition and aesthetics, and you also are not gonna work out every single day, so you're not a fitness fanatic, here's what your routine should look like. The base should be strength training, that's the base. So most of your efforts should be towards building muscle, it's a wonderful buffer against all of the issues of modern life, it speeds up your metabolism, it's very pro-youth hormone producing, so that's testosterone in men and growth hormone in men and women, it's good to balance out estrogen and progesterone. So that's the base. Then what's above that, that is less of a degree, daily activity, so now what do you do on top of that? Every day I do two or three 15 minute walks. Boom, now that's perfect, okay, what's above that? Now I also incorporate some kind of a mobility or flexibility component, two or three days a week, I'll do some stretching or some active type of mobility type of work, now you've got kind of the perfect type of routine, but the base should be the strength training, why? Because for that person, the most bang for your buck, the most you're gonna get for the time spent by far is with the resistance training. That's probably why sometimes people think we're anti-cardio, no, it's because most people we're talking to, we know it's gonna give them the best results, we know the amount of time that they wanna devote to the gym, we know we've seen time and time again what happens to people when they do the wrong kind of exercise with those kinds of goals, and so in those cases, we're always gonna make the case that strength training or resistance training should be the foundation of your routine. Next question is from James Horton, 83. What are the benefits of training first thing in the morning compared to afternoon and evening? All right, so we can talk about the physiological benefits, but really the big difference between these times. Consistency. It's psychological, which consistency falls right under. So I'll tell you what, generally speaking, okay, and again, this is, I'm talking to the average person or to most people. In the morning, here's what you'll notice if you work out in the morning. Your workout performance will be not as good, that's a fact. I'm not gonna be a strong, I'm not gonna perform as well if I work out at 7 a.m. versus if I work out in the afternoon, bottom line. However, if I work out in the morning, people who do this are less likely to miss workouts. Why? Because it's the first thing of my day. So there's less opportunities for shit to get in the way of me doing my workout. So I'm way more consistent. This is the primary reason why I work out first thing in the morning. I have kids, we have a business, I got all kinds of stuff going on, and I know if I do it in the afternoon, there's a lot of opportunities for things to get in the way for me to miss my workout. But if I do it first thing in the morning, far less opportunities for me to miss it. So that's the main reason. And here's the second one. This is a great psychological benefit to working out in the morning. When I work out in the morning, man, I am ready for my day. I come in here, I podcast better, I'm sharper, I feel energized. So the rest of my day tends to benefit. Now later in the day workouts, better performance. I mean, no doubt about it, I'm way stronger. I'm 10% at least stronger working out in the afternoon. I get better pumps in the afternoon. It just, it feels better. Does that translate to more muscle less body fat? I think because of the consistency of the morning workouts in comparison to the effectiveness of the afternoon workouts, it's a wash to be quite honest, because I miss no workouts when I work out first thing in the morning. So that's about it. Now, if you're somebody, if I'm training you, and now here's where we get some, like where it starts to become more variance. If I'm working with you and you're my client and sleep is an issue for you, I'm not gonna have you work out first thing in the morning because I don't think it's smart to trade sleep for exercise. If you have a hormone issues, I'm not gonna have you work out in the morning. So if you're a woman and you're gonna hire me and your HPA axis dysfunction, I'm not gonna have you work out in the morning. I'm gonna have you have a nice relaxing morning and I might have you work out in the afternoon. So those are just some examples, but I think the big difference really is about the psychological aspect. Yeah, I would, the biggest physical detriment I would say to working on the morning is simply that is interrupting your sleep. If you find that that's the best time for you to work out because you have the most time available then, but that also cuts into your eight hours of sleep and now you're getting six or five or whatever and you're exhausted and you just push through it. Cause you can push through it and then feel good afterwards and don't mistake that by the way of feeling good because that's just your body trying to respond to what you just put it through. So that's the mistake I think some people get is like, whoa, when I get done, I feel really good. I mean, I feel horrible getting there in this nap and I do it and then I feel amazing. Stress hormone high. Exactly. I mean, that's just your cortisol shooting through the roof and you feel amazing and don't mistake that for your body is loving that or liking that. So I think that, you know, that's the biggest thing you gotta look at if you're gonna be training in the morning time. But yeah, and I know we keep hammering the consistency thing down, but you have to understand that how much that plays a factor in your success. It's the number one factor of all things. Diet and training, program and all of these things that we wanna talk about. Exercise selection, routine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Nothing trumps consistency. You consistently doing something is far better than nothing at all. So whatever one of these things it were morning or afternoon, you can be the most consistent is. That's the answer. Yeah, however you find that in your schedule where you can just map that out knowing specifically, I'm gonna do this at this specific time. A lot of people do find it's the first thing in the morning because it is that very first objective that you're placing yourself in. This is what my intention of the day starts here. And, you know, that does have a lot of benefit to it because now the rest of my day, like I do get a quite a bit of a mood elevating effect from that too. Like working out in the morning, which I like, but I don't like that I can't train at the intensity I can in the middle of the day, which is really where I do feel a lot more of a performance boost. So I kind of weave back and forth with the two options based on if my consistency has fell, I'll go back to mornings and try and go, you know, first thing, but then if I have an opportunity in the day I'm gonna take it because I wanna see what my body's been able to do. Now as far as the performance is concerned, yes it's true studies will show you'll perform not as great early in the morning as you will maybe later in the afternoon. However, Body will adapt. Yeah, you do get better at it. So I will say I still perform better in the afternoon, but I don't perform as badly in the morning as I did as I used to when I first started doing it. Now my performance in the morning is not too bad. What would you say it takes, I know it's very individual, but what would you say it takes the average person to kind of acclimate to that? Months. Oh, months. Months, months. Four, five, six months. Oh, wow, that long. It takes a while, dude. Bro, waking up in the morning, first off, you have to wake up earlier than you used to. And then being physical and pushing yourself to somebody who's never done that before, it takes a little while. Yeah, I think the key, I mean, and you're the more consistent one with this, correct me if I'm wrong, is that when you transition and it's tough and it's gonna be probably tough and tired, is disciplining yourself to go to bed earlier? Cause I would see that would be the probably the biggest challenge for people. For me, that would be the biggest challenge. I've allowed myself to stay up to 11 or midnight almost every single night. But if you're getting up at five o'clock in the morning, going to bed at midnight is a terrible habit to have. Yeah, you're 100% right. You have to prioritize that evening as well. But look, I noticed this as a young gym manager before I had kids, before I had all the responsibility I have, when I was literally living and working in the gym all day, so I could literally work out kind of whenever I wanted, and so I did, I'd work out at like one or 2 p.m. That's what I did for years, by the way. One or 2 p.m. was my workout time. It was a slow time in the gym. It also worked out great, cause like I said, it's early afternoon. But here's what I noticed. When I would manage gyms, if I came in the morning at 6 a.m., which I routinely would do, I would routinely get in there early so I could get there before my staff set up or whatever, it was always the same people in the gym. The most consistent members that you'll see in a gym are the morning crowd, always the same exact crowd, they're in there, the hardcore, they know each other, they all work out very consistently. The evening crowd, boy does that fluctuate like crazy. But it was that, I swear to God, I would come in at 6 a.m. and I knew I was gonna see the same 30 to 50 people working out in my gym. And that's when I really picked up on it. Oh, the mornings are great for consistency. Next question is from John Draker. What is your biggest regret from your early weight training days? Oh, geez. Well, I think first we have to reword that cause I don't think any of us have regrets. Well, if you could go back and train yourself as a kid, like what would you say? Yeah, so I think that's a better way to reward this cause I think that we all agree that all of our decisions, good or bad, have led us to where we are today and I completely accept that and I'm happy for that, right? So, but if I were to go back and do something different in my training routine, right? Or I'll tell, you know, 20 year old me who's really just really starting to get into hardcore training. Here's some tips, Adam, you should know that you'll find out later on. The big one that comes to mind right away is squatting and deadlifting. Yeah. And overhead press. Those three movements that are the staple and foundation of all of my routines was virtually non-existent for the first, almost 10 years. I mean, yes, a little bit here and there, but not consistent, not like now. It's completely flipped where it was, I used to squat, I would never deadlift it so for sure that, but squatting and overhead pressing was a very infrequent thing that happened in my routine and my thought when it did go in there, it was just to change things up because I love doing the leg press and lunges and leg extensions and leg curls and all the machines when it came to my leg stuff and overhead and when it came to overhead pressing, I was rarely ever doing barbell overhead press. It was dumbbell stuff, lateral raise stuff, machine stuff. So those three movements, I always benched, I think every most all kids or guys bench, that was something I did that, but if I were to go back, it would be to squat, deadlift, barbell overhead press, those three movements, way more than what I was doing. I agree 100%. Now I was fortunate enough to be taught by some local power lifters, some older guys that really jacked, that told me to focus on those lifts. And so I did those lifts, but what I also did was I also threw in a bunch of garbage exercises. So it's like I did everything and I would have been way better off. Just focusing. Yes, had I took out all these machine exercises and just focused on those and maybe some additional compound lift, maybe accessory movements, but gotten rid of all the other stuff I would have done so much better with my training. The other thing I would do if I could go back in time is I would talk to younger me during that whole over-the-counter designer steroid prohormone time. This is back when the laws were very interesting and if it wasn't explicitly banned, you could sell. They called them prohormones, but make no mistake, they were designer steroids, like Superdrawl is a famous one. Hallidrawl is another one. These are the early 2000s and we were just popping them like they were skittles because they worked so well and because we weren't told that necessarily that's where they were. And we thought, oh, it's a prohormone. Your body converts it to whatever and if it doesn't, then that's okay. No, no, no, these things were legit and I should have known better because when you take them, you can tell and when you go off, you can definitely tell. And I'm sure that did some, who knows what that did to my hormone production, my future hormone production. Yeah, I can think of a few things. Definitely deadlifting was not in the regimen. I didn't, I mean, I did power cleans and would take it from the floor and so it had some carryover with that but if I would have really built up the base of strength with deadlifts too on top of all the other core lifts, I think that would have helped quite a bit but one of the main things was when I was really trying to get big because of my position change. I had to go into inside linebacker and I was outside before so I was like fast explosive, athletic and my coach was just hammering me about getting bigger and stronger by all means necessary and so the whole summer I'm just like just the dirtiest bulk possible. Everything with the deep dish pizzas and burgers and cheeseburgers and anything I get stuff in my face and then just training as hard as I could in terms of being in the weight room with barbells but not keeping up my athleticism not keeping my skills training in the protocol just literally just living in the gym and getting beastly, big and immobile and I showed up for a camp and I just couldn't move. I had like terrible balance and it's almost like the muscle bound thing where they talk about where it's just like and I know how that happens is because you don't maintain all those skills at the same time and that was totally a detriment to my performance on the field so that was one big thing that I wish I could have changed alongside the whole carb loading thing before games. Like what a stupid thing that our coach like everybody's like eating waffles and pancakes and all this stuff before the game and then we get to the game and everybody's like just crashing because of yeah anyway. How much weight did you gain during now this was over a summer. It was over a summer. Yeah, 20 or 30 pounds. 20 pounds. Wow, that's a lot dude. It was stupid. It was like I literally it was a chore of just eat, eat, eat, eat, train. Don't move, you know, like sit on the couch. And how did you feel like I'm sure running straight ahead you probably felt okay with it. Yeah, I was very strong. Like you couldn't push me over, right? But if you came from the side I would get like demolished. That's hilarious. You know the other thing that I would tell younger Adam to do also is that while you're doing those three movements too because I know my mentality as a young kid it was do more go harder and is I would I would tell myself to perfect those three things because if I had the attitude towards squatting, deadlifting and overhead pressing that I do today of trying always critiquing my not really worrying about my PR or how heavy I'm lifting but just being meticulous about the movement. The skill. Yeah, and trying to be great at those three movements. Oh my God. I think that if you have that as a base as a young kid you get good at those movements. I can't imagine the body that that well I mean you look at people like and I think of people like Mike Salemi who's a good friend of ours like just how strong and mobile and fit that guy is and you know he's got the gymnastic background. He then got to go, he was taught by Lou Simmons and all those guys. I mean he's such a great example of somebody who has such a beautiful foundation of weight training and then it's expressed in the way he moves when you see the guy move it's unbelievable on all levels, right? Just mobile, strong, fast, resilient, like very impressive. Awesome. Look if you like our information you gotta head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all the free stuff that we give away. So we have lots of guides on there that can help you from everything from burning body fat to building muscle, developing your core and your abs, getting a better squat, tons and tons of guides, all free mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram so you can find Justin at Mindpump Justin, me at Mindpump Sal and Adam at Mindpump Adam. Being underestimated is a really great thing sometimes. You could either use that as fuel for yourself or as an excuse and I just choose to use that as fuel. It's always fueled me. And so if I put something out there then I feel I'm accountable, right? So if I say to you, okay I'm gonna do this podcast for example or whatever it is, I feel like, oh shit.