 Thanks for coming to our session. This is the Mindshare committee session, what we do and why. So normally we do something similar to the Fedora Council Town Hall. Where we kind of just have an hour for folks to come and talk to us about various things. Throughout the last year, we have realized in certain ways and also worked on mind share visibility. Because we feel like it's a place that's kind of lacking. People still really understand necessarily what the Mindshare committee is and why we do what we do. So we thought we would put together an informational section of our session and in order to help folks understand what we're trying to do. So let us go to the next slide here. So what is the Mindshare committee and also I I'm going to probably ramble a lot, but the bull or Alberto anyone else feel free to jump in. As we go along right. Okay, so what is the Mindshare committee and what does it do for Fedora. So it's a group of folks dedicated to improving communication. Supporting outreach. Motivating contributors and teams. Sharing best practices and managing funding with us. So this is not an entirely inclusive list. We actually seem to do more than that. Because people know us as for dorns they can go to. So as part of our annual survey, we actually found out that people are more likely to approach individuals from the Mindshare committee. Then they are to come to our meetings, or to open a ticket on our Pajor repo or to email the mailing list right and as much as we're a group of approachable folks. We also have responsibilities and lives and it's a lot easier for us to kind of mainstream that through our Pajor repo and our other channels. So that's kind of one thing like we're trying to do that right but so improving communications between teams we do this by bringing a group of people together that are widely buried right so we have reps from different places we have elected people we have a couple pointed people we're going to go a little bit more into that on the next slide. We won't go too far into that, but we're, we're improving those communications between between between the teams simply by having reps from a variety of teams right we have design docs, etc will go a little more into that supporting outreach efforts so you know this would come down to do you need. Maybe money to run an event obviously we're living in a post or we're living in a pandemic world at this point so think this looks like a little bit different. But normally, we would be helping folks run events and get swag to those events. And that could be really anything. It could be, you know, us having a presence at a conference right so, you know you live in some place there's a local conference that you're able to attend and you say, hey, I'm going to bring my fedora presence there. And, and, and you would reach out to mind share and be like, great, let us send you some swag to end out. Let's send you some resources that you can print and have at the table. Let's let's make a badge for you right so we're kind of like this node in between the other teams so we can help think we can help folks do things like pull off events and get swag to those events, motivating contributors and teams. So, this is this comes down to encouragement it's definitely like a people skill thing. We're all interacting with folks in the community and in our separate teams and spaces, and part of what we do as mitra committee members is to help bring some energy to those spaces. To help motivate contributors and, and, you know, individual contributors and also teams of folks who want to work on things like we're here to support you. We want to make that happen. Your dream is our dream. So, or, you know, we, we help people maybe shape those initiatives like, you know, someone comes with an idea and says, I'm going to do this. And we're like, that's awesome. We actually know somebody who's working on that already. Let's connect you. Right. We're sharing best practices, basically working to constantly improve like how different teams are working and how we're working together and help and allow that to evolve over time right so we're trying to to let the committee grow in that sense right so best practices are always evolving. And that's one of the funding requests. This could really be anything. Sometimes it has to go through the council first, depending on what it is, but the mitra committee does work on things like swag. We also approve things like sponsorships of conferences, etc, etc. So, most of the time we're very positive about, you know, sponsoring conferences, etc, it really comes down to like, can you represent your Fedora at that conference for us. What does it all take to be involved. And, you know, can we make this happen with in the timeline that we have provided. So, there are all kinds of, I think we've also had requests, you know, like, can we have a like a password manager or can we have, you know, this thing or that thing so we take into account, you know, our resources and, you know, what we feel will be most beneficial for the community overall. So, that's a very large overview if other people can think of more things we do feel free to put them in the chat. So, how is dementia distributed, who makes up the committee, right. So, I'm a boy did as the community action impact coordinator. I run meetings and I make sure we're kind of all on track and, and so I lead up the team, then we have representatives from a variety of the mind share side of Fedora things so those are community related teams are non coding teams right I don't want to say non technical because some of this work is very technical, but they're non coding teams so we have representatives from ambassadors, comm ups websites design docs and mentor projects. So, this is this list right here is not the end all be all list if there was a team that was super active. We want to have a representative from that team so like prior previously we did not have a mentor projects rep to Council and we made that because we felt that that communication was important with the other mind share teams. So, for example, we have a website and apps team that's coming like up and running right Rick is involved in that as a stakeholder and one of the long term, like, maintainers of websites right but website it might change to websites and apps. It's not a hard and fast list. We're welcome to growth here. Though I have to say if you're, you know, anything over like a dozen people it's, you might not be a committee. You know, so we might have to switch things up we'll see how, how it would go if things continue to go. We also have two elected positions. So, there's so basically each elected position they have two cycles. So we have one election for one seat at a release, and then the next seat will be at the next release so if you were to sit on my chair you'll be there for two reasons so yeah. And we currently have two elected officials. Okay, so what has the mind share committee been up to lately. You know I could talk about all the different things we do but like let's think about some of the concrete things that mind share has contributed to so you get like a real good idea of what we're doing so we've been a huge support to the community outreach program so that is an effort to revamp fedores mainly fedora's ambassador program but all of the other outreach programs are going to benefit from this as well. So we've done a huge amount of support at giving advice, you know, looking at the proposal, trying to help improve that I give updates I'm very involved in that revamp so updates the mind share committee and let them know how it's going. And they might say hey we have this idea that idea. We've helped to support the new logo rollout by deciding you know what kind of swag do we want to continue printing with the new logo, what do we want to just continue what do we hope to see what kind of objects do we want to even include in the swag right like so one of the things that came out of that is we like we're trying to go for more sustainable products. So actually the new vendor that we're working with behind the cool stuff store has some of those options and we're able to do a little bit of that for the swag pack. So that was awesome and they helped me kind of make some decisions about what was going to go into that. We've also sponsored our helped support sponsoring many other virtual community events. And we've organized the presence and been the folks sitting at the booths in those events, those virtual booths chatting with people so we worked on a presence that summit red hat summit Academy open to the conference, I think there's more. So a lot of virtual conferences and last year that we have organized presence that we also helped out with the first annual contributor survey. I'm just giving some feedback on that and making sure that the community engagement part was tip top. And then last but definitely not least, virtual release parties. I'm not the main organizer for those but my chair helps out a lot with what we do, and how we should form the event. And, you know, let's make sure that let's make sure we don't miss this topic or that topic. So we have craft what kind of like virtual experiences we might want, like external type of events like things like work adventure or that team building service we've used in the past. Right. So, how do you work with mind you're how can you work with my journey how can we help you. So these are basically just an overview of the different ways that you can talk to us. What is comfortable or everyone has a different level of comfortability with speaking in public channels, opening tickets, whatever it might be. So please do what is going to make you the most comfortable. But I'll just briefly talk about like the options you have so you can come to our weekly meeting we're actually in the process of relooking at the time. You can you can attend our weekly meeting and just let the chair know at the beginning like hey I have a topic I want to talk about, and we'll make sure we fit in some time at the end at the open floor. You can open a ticket if you know what you need. Just go right for it. And go ahead and open a ticket on the mind sure we go. You can email the mind sure mailing list I have to say, it is not a very active mailing list. Our IRC channels is much more active than our mailing list I sent out maybe an email week into that mailing list. I don't think I see anything else coming through so. Or you can reach out to a mind share committee member. This is the least ideal option. We're all very very busy people. But if that is what makes you feel comfortable, please feel free to do that. And we can kind of guide you through the process. So, so we hope that mind share provides even more so when I think about mind share I'm like, it's the sharing of minds like we bring the minds together and making the best idea possible can I think everyone has a different viewpoint of that I explain that one to Ben cotton and he was like, What, and I was like, I mean isn't that what everyone thinks, and he was like, no, and I was like, okay. So, it's really about improving communication best practices that we talked about before but I think that the point that I'm trying to make here is we want to help you succeed in Fedora. So if you have something that you want to achieve in Fedora that's non coding related. We are the team to help you. We want to help you make your Fedora thing succeed. There's also a wealth of knowledge in our committee, like most of the people on the team. I'm just curious Nick, how long have you been involved in Fedora. What year did you get started. Hi, I am I have mostly three years here. Okay, since my first contribution from come ups to now triggers more or less. Awesome. Alberto, you rock. Nick, how long have you been involved. You're on mute. If you're talking to us, that's how long forever infinity. You're still on mute. Maybe just write it in the chat. Vipo, when did you get involved in Fedora. I think 2016 17 I've been involved. Yeah, it's been five years 2013. Oh, yeah, sorry. Oh, what were you going to say. Wow. I recently got five years bad so five years plus the experience person when Ben joined in 2009. And we have Mary Duffy we have till we have, I'm not I'm not trying to leave anybody off on purpose here but there's a wealth of knowledge about Fedora, how things work historically, and also just the network of people so if you're trying to get something done, you're not sure who to go to someone on the mind share committee could probably tell you. So to further that, you know that communication improvement, we also have a rep representative on the council. Right. So we have someone from the mind share committee besides me that goes and kind of represents mind share at the council in those different discussions. So, where else can you find the mind share committee we have stocks here's the repo mailing list I will share these slides at some point. And we're also on elements. And we were also on telegram. So, last but surely not really I think this is last yet. Last but surely not least, you can be a part of my chair. It might not be something it's it's not something that you would do as a newbie. There's a lot of places to start as a newbie being part of the mind share committee is probably not. But if you've been around for a little while, even six to 12 months. This might be something that you'd be interested in doing. It's definitely more along the lines of project management and kind of like thought work versus busy work. So, you know, kind of think about these different things but we welcome new perspectives and having newer contributors even would be seen as a bonus there like what's a new contributors perspective on this right. So, I would say not for like total movies but you know even folks who are newer into being involved in for our welcome to join and give us new perspectives and be a part of the team. We would love to run for an elected seat. We would love to see more people voting in our elections. There's actually like historically just less votes for the mind share than fesco and I guess it's because my chair is new or something. But we'd love to see more people just participating or voting wise, even if you aren't going to run when you get to that elections page. So let's go at the top and see mind share right below. Make sure to vote for mind share too. I didn't expect like a one to three hour commitment a week. We have a weekly meeting. It's not required to be there all the time. We hope that you would be able to make it to at least half the meetings, if possible. And that meeting is an hour and then occasionally we'll have follow up little tasks to do. And then I'd say I don't it's been a little bit different because of virtual but I think we try to meet, like once or twice a year as a team. We had a virtual meet up a couple months ago and we kind of we really did take it easy because slow on to see each other's faces. We're always on IRC so post pandemic or when we can travel again, we would definitely take the opportunity to see each other in person, if we could. And it may be might be around something like flock or release party but we would definitely want to see each other in person. So right, that is the presentation slides that I have. I'm going to stop sharing my screen. So we can just chat. How to go. We have two questions. Oh, good coming coverage money. Good. Good. Did I miss anything. No. Okay, one thing. We also do things that you may not see there from entered project there are certain responsibility where I do, I make sure we are participating and looking after mental projects. People from marketing side or ambassador side has a stake in making sure the community outreach revamp is in progress. So, every representative of different sex or different parts of federal project, they have their own responsibility what they do, apart from being this whole community where they try to do something big and together, which is community and happiness in mind, in my, my definition of it mindset as community sustainability and happiness, which Facebook is not so the other side of things. Yes, I would agree and yeah I would agree with your first point to that most folks are doing something in their team that they're, you know, kind of representing but we do have elected officials and sometimes teams just simply aren't as active like the federal right now currently like we have Nick as our representative, but there's not a lot going on there but Nick is an awesome asset to our team so you know I'm going anywhere and plus his stake is in the revamp. So I totally agree with that. Okay, let's look over at the q&a situation here. Will there be fedora join sake representation in my chair. Um, if they could. Oh no, now you're here with audio. You can hear you. Yeah, we can hear you now. Oh, you can hear me. Yeah. Okay, I took my headset off and I'm just using my speaker and my webcam. All right. So to answer your question I think I started in fedora 11. Okay, that was very long time ago now 2008. Nine somebody in that video. When was your fedora account created. That's always a good one. I think you can see on badges. All right, so I'm going to take one of the questions here. And Nick definitely let us know. I'm curious. Will there be a fedora joint sake representation in my chair. So, that's a great question. And I'm going to say it actually already does have representation. We have multiple folks who are involved in the joint sake on the committee right now. Furthermore, we've talked with the committee, the joint or the joint sake and kind of the purpose behind that. But one of the kind of fundamentals of that team is low barrier to injury. Right. And kind of a low. Yeah, low commitment type of a sake to be a part of and the whole idea is that folks can simply just hang out in the channel. Now, if folks if folks from the joint sake wanted to be a part of the committee and want to be part of that discussion. I'm absolutely happy to have that conversation. If people think it's beneficial. I do think that we have some representation through the ambassador, you know, kind of role that Nick provides to us, but Alberto is on the joint sake and I think that both the joint sake. And so we actually have that like at least the thought behind that team, or the basis of that team is there. You got it. What is it. April 2007. Nice. So, you're, I was standing 14 years 2021. Like that math. Well, yeah, I think Nick might be our oldest fedoren on the committee. So I think a cache might have left. I hope that answered the question now about the fedora joint sake. We have had this discussion before on tickets and in federal joint channel where I spoke to uncle and more people there. And one of the things we realized is the most active members are already somewhat very close to mindset as you just mentioned. And we also wanted to reverse it in a way somewhere from mindset committee, if they could hang out in joint sex to answer question on how the organization works and different things of it. It would be more beneficial than taking out or asking someone to do one more thing. Because again, as you said, it's a very low barrier. It's a very low commitment thing where you can just go on hang out so it has been discussed and we realized this was not the most needed thing we can look from multiple perspective from ambassador marketing mentor project and all of these things. Do a little bit of chipping in the joint sake. So yeah, this is the whole discussion and maybe I can find some tickets to show around. So, Ben asks, my chair consistently has fewer candidates and fewer people casting votes in the elections. Oh yeah, I'm talking about this. Compared to the council and fesco does the committee see that as a problem and if so how should it be addressed. So, yes, we definitely see it as a problem. And that was one of the reasons why we structured the talk today like we did. And we're really excited to have this up on YouTube to send to people to send to perspectives. You know, I've approached folks. During my term of fcake, I've approached folks asking do you want to be part of my chair committee. People don't necessarily think like they're good fit, but they absolutely are good fit. And they're like, Well, what is it? What does it all mean? What does it take to be a part? So we're really excited to have this video to show people, you know, what it's all about. So we're hoping we can use this to promote my service ability and understanding. We're also put we've also put in questions into the community survey. So the annual contributor survey and we also were part of the community revamp survey. So the idea behind those were to get a baseline of what kind of understanding for our project has about my chair. And as you will see in my survey presentation later. It's not the right answer. They didn't get the right answer there. So it was like a, who do you first go to if you need to run an event or, you know, you need to get for door resources, resources, events, swag, et cetera, et cetera. I think the number one was local ambassador. The number two was local user groups. The number three was the council. The first year was not even in the top three there. And we had some, yeah, we had some interesting write-ins too. I like like some people just would write it like Vipple, Nick, Marie, like I'm pretty sure we got those responses. So that's not, that's not what we want. We realize it's the problem, right. So what we're hoping is to put some effort into this over the next year. We're hoping that by things like promoting this video, being at, maybe we'll go to the next release party and have a little talk, that could be a way. And yeah, I think that by next year, we hope to see some change in those results of the survey. And that also, like we wrote like the F cake and then like a bunch of people wrote in Marie. So like maybe also the F cake art just put my name in brackets, whatever. So we hope to see a different answer to that. So that's kind of where we're at with it. But honestly, all of us are super involved in Fedora. And I'm going to say that like, even as a person, if it was working for Fedora, we'd work extra time for Fedora, right. So we're all super, we're kind of spread thin on what we're doing, right. So for us, like, doing a lot of that analysis and writing extra blog posts and promotions, it's like, it's one of those things that is not the top priority. The top priority is taking care of the Fedora community, right, like dealing with those tickets, making the sponsorships happen, getting the swag out to people. And so the priority is so unfortunately, like, we only have so many resources and making improvements on visibility isn't something we have like a ton of time and energy for. We'd love to partner with like, maybe the commops team to do something like that because I know that they focus on, you know, analysis like data analysis and things of that nature. So anyway, I think that was, I hope that answered the question. Specifically for the elections, I think we should try to do something different. Like so far, when I've been involved, it's just been me asking people I know that I think might be a good fit. Right, so maybe. Maybe for the election to get more participation in the election itself. Have a badge just for I voted for my share. There we go. And to get the badge, you have to go to the mind share election and vote, rather than like currently there's a I voted, but you can just vote for counseling get it. So I don't know if it would work or not, but maybe if there was one just for mind share more people would go vote even if it's just to get a badge. Like, so actually we thought about like, retiring badges as they, you know, as our community evolved, and that might be like a place so instead of having the I voted we could do ones for council Fesco and mind share and we could have them be repeating one so people want to come back and earn them every time. Like, I probably want to retire the general ones and then make like these, you know, make ones for everybody, not just mind share so council. Next, like, no, we could just do it for us. That sounds good. I mean, hey, it's an opportunity to get more badges. I like getting more badges makes always pro badges. That's what we are here for. I mean, I mean, I don't need to, which I guess this doesn't really apply to this talk but we do need to either fix some of them or somehow change their description to say this is retired, like all of the fast badges, they haven't worked in a year or two. So my idea behind that was to make like grayscale version so just replace the PNG with a grayscale version. Okay. And just like, I don't know some denote it somewhere that it's retired retired at the end of the title. Yeah, we can edit the description or something, because we get tickets that are like, Well, I set my GPG key and I didn't get a badge. Well, no, you didn't. And you never will. So then usually computer kid goes in and awards them to people. What a great one. So, but yeah. Okay, yeah, I think that would be that would actually really help with the elections in particular and a side note on badges. Yes, it needs love. It needs love. You see, maybe I could. I can't overcommit myself but I would love to do some kind of a badges hack fast. Try to get some things in order. What if any of the designers get time. I would very much like someone to make the art for the dumpster fire badge. Apparently we're going to name differently because Matthew suggested we come up with a different name. But I think he's okay with I think he's okay with the art still being a dumpster fire for the IRC switch over. Yes, yes, definitely. And everyone who did that put a lot of effort like overtime effort to make that happen. So we want to say thanks for sure. I'm going to add some good badges ideas out of here. Okay, so let's get to the next question. Go ahead. Talk about the next question. So, Sarah asks, is the representation of fedora at Fosdham also part of your job in the team. My answer would be, I don't think the representation itself is necessarily something that the committee members would necessarily be the ones doing I mean yes, we do. I mean, we do have events that some of us go to, but going to the event is not necessarily part of mind share. I see mind shares role as providing you the resources you need to represent fedora at an event as part of mind share. If you are interested in organizing being having a presence at Fosdham. I see our role as providing you funding and swag to represent fedora. Yes, and the workflow for that would be opening a ticket on mind share repository and we'll have words on there. We'll discuss it in the meeting and depending on the outcome, we would agree how much funding we can provide when to ship things and things like that. So mind says the place you would go to request that, but yeah, as Nick said mind share is not responsible for making sure that we represent everywhere. But the other way we, if someone is someone wants to do that we provide them the resources. That was a great answer Nick. Next question theory mind share committee gets less engaging because it's not visible enough. We agree. How can we help the community see the great work the mind share committee is doing follow up once again Marie answers my question before she gets to it. So we did talk about this and right visibility so using some analytics from our survey results. I put a little bit more into promotion, maybe working in these badges for the elections. I think that in itself will make it more visible because people want to earn badges. And they're like well what's this mind share thing maybe I should book a little bit more. And, and maybe we need to work on something coming up, but it has to be a low, low effort type of a thing but it could be something as simple as getting the meeting notes onto the community blog. I don't know maybe we could try to do like a monthly community blog update from the mind share committee. It sounds like something that would fall on my shoulders which I could just like take the notes from each of the meetings and put it all together at the end of the month. So, those are a couple ideas I just have off the cuff, if anyone has more feel free, and I'm kind of want to read through this chat a little bit. Feel free to drop more questions. Okay, JT I don't think we're planning on. I don't think we're talking about retiring badges as a whole, but retiring specific badges. So, so this is a good point. I could, so someone commented here I could be wrong I think a lot of people think mind share is for people who have been part of the fedora community for a while. So JT when you say that do you mean like that they need to be a while to just come talk to us or to be actually an elected member. I think it might be the second one. And I, and I kind of I mean it doesn't you don't have to be a long time here in here but you, it will be beneficial for you to be a part of the community for like I was mentioning like, it's minimally six months, probably a year. And to be fair, it is a role or being part of this committee does have a certain amount of commitment. And we all super duper care about fedora and have a lot of passion and love for it and I think that is cultivated over time like we don't expect people to just come in and be totally passionate about being in love with fedora it's definitely something that grows. So, people did you want to chime in. I'm just thinking it's pretty much same for any election any committee. If you're going for elected member then to attract votes, you have to be around for a while so that people can vote for you and then know who you are. But most of the mindset committee member if you go back on the slide you'll see there is two elected members that means most of us are coming from certain groups or six and representing it. Usually agreement of the whole group and sick that he had this person is the right person to represent us there. And for that again, it's important for you to gain trust of others being around while working on different things. So, it's not generally rule but to get elected or to get votes, unless there is just one person in the last place happened although the person happened to be a great person that's a different conversation. So, for any election or for anywhere you're going to represent a group you need to be around for a while so that you can gain the trust of community and group member that you can represent them. That was a great, great response the trust part is definitely part of it. I don't, I'm not sure like, I'm not sure what we actually have to say on the mailing list because we really do chat in IRC so much. Like that's our primary chat and they feel like it's dead a couple, you know, said like half of the week but I feel like we're chatting in there every couple days or something. I wonder, okay, we have some more comments. You know, I think that's actually really good point. So, JT made the point again that I think that also means that people may have a perception that mind share does really important stuff, and people may worry that their issue or idea is too trivial to bring up. Since Fedora has been around for a while, it's a large project and has a legacy that can give newer members of the feeling that it's not approachable. Yeah, I mean, I can totally see that. So, in one way, I think we do do important things, but it's just as important as people who are helping like the operating system happen. You know, like, I mean it's just saying like we're all part of this one big ecosystem right so like, I would say that it's an important piece of all of it but I wonder how we can kind of make ourselves more approachable. I'm thinking of like little cartoons. Okay, that would not be sustainable, but like somehow like making our persons a little bit more known like okay this is the mind share committee. Okay, an infographic. That's very simple for people. It says on it. Anyone can come ask mind share for help. Yes, even you. So an infographic might be a good thing to do. And I actually have a mentoring intern right now who's doing graphic design. So that could be something that comes out of her work. Actually, I have a ticket open for it. Yeah, and JT was saying that's not a fault of the committee. It's a reality of the project being older and bigger. And also mind share committee hasn't been around forever right like, Fesco, I'm going to guess has been around for a very, very long time. I don't know when it was established, but I'm guessing in the 10 plus year range. Anyone can confirm or deny my chair has been around for like, I think a little bit over three years. So in the lifespan of, in the lifespan of the Fedora project, mind shares relatively new, right, like newer than the community blog, you know, these things like it's not like Fesco or like the Fedora planet or something. So these more deeply ingrained things we've had around. Yeah, definitely. Do we have any other questions to answer? No, none on the Q&A. Cool. Cool. Well, is anyone else, does anyone else have any questions for us? I think the questions that have been asked have been actually really, really good ones so keep them coming. Ben made an interesting point. So Ben runs the elections for us. So Ben says the Fedora elections are generally a name recognition contest. More votes are cast than the number of page views on the interviews. That's interesting. Ben, do you think that's a problem? Like, has it gotten to us a situation where someone was voted to one of these that maybe wasn't like an ideal candidate? So I don't think it's a problem necessarily because I have seen candidates who are mostly, I think their reputation has been negative, get very few votes. So name recognition does work, you know, in both directions for you. I do wish more people would read the interviews because, you know, I have to read all of them as I put them into WordPress. They're generally, Everyone else to go through it too. Well, you know, they're generally pretty, not that distinct like everyone has their own unique flavor, but nobody's really out there saying something that's like completely out of left field, Kate. But it does, you know, give a sense of where people's focuses are, you know, not necessarily if they're going to make good or bad decisions, but you know, people might want to focus on a certain area. And if you think that's important, you might want to vote for them. And whereas somebody else is going to, you know, if they're going to focus on some other thing, you're like, okay, that's nice. You're probably going to do a fine job, but it's not the area that I'm particularly, particularly care about. But I do think people who want to win an election should participate on mailing lists and in IRC channels as often as they're able, because, you know, sharing good ideas and having people recognize, oh, that person has said a lot of good things in the past. I know their name. Sure, I'll vote for them. Okay, in an ideal world where we have unlimited resources to create design materials. I would totally love to see like, like a, like some kind of overview thing where it shows I don't know like doesn't have to be their face but like something that gives the title of them like their platform. So like, these are the topics I care about, and then we can like tweet them or something. I don't have unlimited design resources, but it's a cool idea. So I wonder if we could approve the election interview visibility as well. Yeah. And that's partly, I mean, so the, the election, the links to each interview are right there in the app when you vote for the person. But I think also just like, right. I wish I had, maybe I should put him in like through a URL shortener next time just to get a head count of how many people actually click them because I'm guessing it's very few. But I think it's also partly just improving the visibility of the community blog more generally would also help there because that's where they're published and if people are reading the community blog more they will see them and they will potentially read them. Right. You know I just had an idea to as you were talking I was thinking about like, we actually have someone who's a coder in that elected seat, but we could try like promoting those elected seats as. Chances for, you know, engineering or coding related people to get a little bit more involved or give their perspective from fesco or whatever to the, the, you know, community side of Fedora. Does that make sense. Like, almost saying like we really want someone who's a package or, you know, someone who's doing development of some kind to sit in these elected because I mean, I don't actually, I don't feel like it has to be that though so maybe that would be too But it would be nice to to. I think that's where the divide is right so I also think that there's this divide of like people who think that they can be in mind share like me to be involved in teams under mind share but that's like not necessarily the case. It could bring you to come from the coding side of the door and have plenty of very valuable input to our conversations and perspectives that we probably haven't had yet in the conversation. So, just a thought. Like the council fesco rep. Yes, something like that. It could be a thing I think that fest goes and be like we don't want another official seat somewhere. That's my. That's what my thought is, but we'll see.