 out of town so Rose has graciously agreed to take our minutes tonight thank you Rose and the orders are being passed around are there public comment for items not on the agenda yes ma'am I'm wondering I don't know how Andy Felice is paid I'm wondering if he could maybe spend a day with the next three weeks or something you gotta do is ask him yeah he's an employee he's gonna ask him you can do it yes like that I mean he would be paid after okay he's been over there a lot not just kind of wandering around if you can use it for a day I do want to move one item to later in the evening the update on the union I want to move till later because I don't want people up from their presentations and stuff and Alfred you don't need to stay for that part of it so you don't have to worry about about it we can you can review the minutes so I can update you it's no good deal it's just process stuff okay so Alfred do you have any updates I'm not good anymore. Okay. We got one day acting, and then he just went to go to work, so. Is Jacob doing that within his 40 hours, or is it? Yes. Okay, good. He did, he asked last Friday if he could work, which is normally a day off, but he, and we're sort of behind on getting all the way around the town with him, so I said, yeah, go ahead and work the overtime. Yeah. He was out sick today, so I had Bruce on it, sort of letting everybody kind of turn at it, because it's one of those fun toys that we had to play with. Right, there you go. But, yeah, so I don't know if you've heard anything good about or otherwise about it. It's a new machine, it's, we've been kind of knocking some of the brush back as we can, but our main focus is getting the second time around for the moment. Okay, John? So that's a 5110, that model tractor. I just kind of, so I go by today. Yeah. And I said, mm-mm. And I looked, now I can't find it, but I just wondered what that thing cost. It's very similar to mine, it's the updated version. And I saw one, it's been like brand new shape, it's got a sidearm articulating mower, it's got 40 hours on it, and it's got a rear mower, $69,000. $69,000 with both the mowers and the tractor. Right. 40 hours, this one puts out your radar. It's amazing price, it's a brand new tractor. So, but you know, that's what they're going for used. You don't have to spend $100,000, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Right. Like East Montpilier did. Yeah. It's not a John Deere either. It's a good tractor. We've had some problems with this one already. Already, really? Yeah, I mean transmission issues have kept stopping. So they came and it was, I don't know what they did, but it was fixed now. Oh, okay, there you go. Well, you get to test run it, see how it does. Yeah, yeah, well, I don't think you buy this one for $69,000, you know. Yeah. Features, repairs, rent it out. No, I'm suggesting that there are tractors out there. To look for. That are within our price range down the road. Yeah. Yeah. And then I, you sent me an email because I was asking about the cutting of limbs and stuff. And you said that the poles off. Well, there's one limb that was brought to my attention. I'm tired. On select board meetings. I went and looked at it and it's broke off way up high. Right. So it takes a pole saw, which is a handheld weed wacker with a chainsaw blade. Yeah. It was in bad repair. So I took it in last week to get it worked on and I've got it back now. That's the tree on Tucker. Yes. So now I'll be able to take care of that tomorrow. Okay. And you said Joe's going to go look at Joe Bain is going to go. Joe Bain is scheduled to cut those three trees this week. Okay. I talked to him last week and he was busy. That's the one on Bliss. Two on, one on Bliss road. And color, color hill. Very good. Thank you for the update. So those will be taken care of. Okay. And we're able to award him because we just got the email today to take this email from computer hardware. Yeah, I saw that. Just so it's on everyone's radar. Also, we got an email from Peter Harvey about, what road was it? Call Camelot? 78, 74 KM road. Bob Bowles? 75 foot right away. They have identified some wild parsnip. And yes, Bob Bowles right away. So they're going to put up signs to not mow that section. Great. That's great. Bob will pick the mower up and skip over it. Yeah. That's what the select board wants to do. Is that what the select board wants to do? Well, we just got the email today. You just got the email today. So we've worn it. So we can't even make a decision. I don't know where Jacob is. Do I say I didn't get the message? How do you want to do it? Did you, where is Jacob and his work? It's probably going to be him. Calliroy will be done before the next meeting. The next meeting, certainly. Who do you want to do select board? Did anybody see the email from Peter about our wild parsnip? I forget it because they're so expensive. I know. The bottom line is it's Portman of the county road. He's asking that not be mulled to his full wild parsnip. I did not read the entire email either. I did not read any comments in a 75 foot stretch on the steep bank in the right-of-way northeast from the northwest corner of the house. And he wants to know if he can put out his signs. Did he talk to Bob Bulls? Yes, he did. He did. Sounded like he already put the signs up. Did you get the email too? I did. Sounded like he already had the signs out and he was asking permission to leave them or not. I think the signs are there because I just saw it and I thought. Yeah, the signs that he's putting up. Oh, OK. Like this time of year, I wasn't expecting to see those exclusion areas. Yeah, bottom line of his email is he's asking can we do the signs up and have that section. I mean, that's kind of a continuation of a subject we've been talking about all summer. So what's the alternative if we don't know who's going to pick it? Somebody has to pick it or pull it? Or you just let it go to seed? Well, you just let it go and then. Try not to spread the seeds all over town. This is the object. So I don't know if it affects the site distances there. On County Road, I wouldn't think so. I've seen the site specific, but. So let's say that this is actually a continuation of a project that Peter came to us with this early summer, you remember. So for that reason, and if it doesn't affect site distances, it seems to me to make sense to let him have his signs up and not mow it. So Jacob can lift the arm or whatever you call it up. Other select board members agree? They're not mowing it for a time being. Right. As long as it's not affecting the site distances. Right. All right. Kirk Cutt. Is Brian Thomas here? I am. You're Brian. Hi, Brian. Hi. How are you? I'm standing up. Welcome to Dallas. I'm good. Thank you. Thanks for coming. I appreciate you having me. I did go and look at it. I originally thought for some reason it was off of the County Road, but it's not. It's off of the Meadow Road. And I went up there Sunday afternoon after something else was in town and looked at it, and it's the one with the yellow flags, right? Yeah. Because there's something further up on the right as orange. It's really, it's not much part of the plan. It's like this pasture freshly brushed off. Yeah, I saw that. So is that building a house in there? That's the idea, yes. Great. I mean, that's the plan. We don't own the property yet. We're working with the owners, Brian, who are friends of ours. We got the subdivision approved, and now the curb cup would be for a driveway. Yeah. Well, we only approved the curb cup. We wanted it for a driveway. No, no, no, I understand. They're different. They're see-through things. More weekly. Yeah, yeah, I understand. Because I know some of the things we do, right? We just do the curb coverage. The driveway's a different permit. Right. And you said the cyclists, and said, we're OK? Yeah, I think they're not the 300 feet that we require. But given that it's a low travel, low speed road, I think we can allow it. It's sort of on a corner, where you can see both ways. I think it'll be fine. Yeah, I drove. I mean, the permit said you measured it, must be, it was like 260, something really close to where it would require. So I think it would be fine. Well, I drove up it, and then back again. And I thought that. Yeah, I think safety-wise, it's totally fine. I think it would be totally fine. And that's a class four. No, three. OK, does that need a culvert? I would recommend a culvert, yes. Because, I mean, clearly, right now, there's not much of a ditch that there should be. And it will have to be when we get the driveway in. So a 15-inch culvert. Armand, do you have a question? No, I wish it was stretching. Thank you. All right. Judy's getting me the sign-off form. Anybody else have a question? I have a question. So is the curb cut where the arrow is, where it's a little metal held? I'm sorry. It's not the original that was highlighted in yellow, but it must not have come through. But it's right above the 2, the 8.2. Oh, oh, oh. I see it very well. So that's square, the 8.2 acres. Is that what you're looking by? Yeah, that's the new parcel there. Thank you, Judy. This is the approach of receipt. And what did you say? I'll look for a culvert. 15-inch. And our procedure here in Calz is they buy the culvert and the road crew will install it, correct? No, not for all curb cuts. That procedure is only for if I'm doing ditching and I get a spot where there's a driveway that doesn't have a culvert or these ones. For new construction, the town's not doing that. But certainly, you can work with you to the every measure you're excavating to get it to the shape and the form that we want it. And who orders the culvert? The contractor. The contractor, OK. So I'm just going to put down it needs a 15-inch culvert needs to be installed. Anything else, Alford? No, I mean, the two big things are the culvert and site distance. And I think we've covered those. So I'm just going to say it doesn't. It's not going to be an issue for the road. I don't think they're distance standards. But it is a low speed, low travel road. OK. So what I'll do is we'll make a motion to approve this. And I'll finish filling it out and mail it to you. And this mailing address here, this middle road at Langfield is the correct address. OK. Then once you get it done, Alford has to come and inspect it. And then he signs off that it's in compliance with the condition here. OK. Very good. Thank you. All right, so I would entertain a motion to approve the curb cut for Brian Thomas with a 15-inch culvert that needs to be installed. And noting that it doesn't quite meet the site distance standards, but it's a low speed, low travel road, so it should be OK. OK. Does anybody want to second that? Second. All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All right. Passes the round for signature and we can move on. Anything else? No, I'm not ditching culverts and summer projects. Mm-hmm, OK. Got the snow plows ready? It's cold enough? No, we have not. I saw the tail grout. I saw the highway grout and the truck's ready. 40, please. They're probably brand new trucks that they're going to work there. Yeah, that's where they're going to be. That's where they're going to be. OK, thank you. Before we leave. I'm desperately getting to run a zucchini bread. Six o'clock. I made zucchini bun cake and chocolate zucchini bread. Now there's pumpkin zucchini bread. You guys have some if you want some. This is for the group. No, for us, thank you. And there's more zucchini. It was 17 during that. And more zucchini. Crushed. All right. So, yeah, I was looking. 30 years ago. Yes, this is about. I'm right here. Hello? You looked for nothing, but I can't figure out why. I'm post-office law. Maybe it was GQ magazine. GQ magazine. All right. So do we have that called up for the design contract? Design contract, yes. So I did read this most of it today. Do you want to just walk us through the contract? It's basically just for the design of the interior of this space to put together a set of plans, a combination of floor plans, select elevations, 3D perspectives if needed, so that the project can go out to bid to a variety of contractors. Basically, it's based on an hourly rate, not to exceed price. And then my company, Steeplechase, also does construction as well. So that's, as you can see, the side of the bolted. There's the part that's like, if desired to. You could do the whole thing. Yeah. But I understand it has to go out to bid. So then just go through sort of basic payments and conditions and all that sort of. I did have a question in number four. So the project cost not to exceed $5,000. That's just for the design. Yeah. I anticipate that it would be much less than that. But I figured it would just be good to have a cap. Right. It's pretty straightforward, the most probably. No exterior foundations. It's just the interior. Do you do roof? My company doesn't do roofs, but we have the variety of contractors who are qualified. I'm sure for standard seam, asphalt, and that. So you can see how nice this is right now. Yeah. And there's a lot of light. When this building was first designed, there was one person. Mm-hmm. You know, immediately after the party. Which was great. Right. Now, given the amount of people, we had the two and a half full-time people in there. We've got three listers, a ton of people in and out of the vault. And there's no private space for like human resources, discussions. Somebody might be delinquent on their taxes. They're going to talk to the treasurer and not everybody to be over here. And there's absolutely no place. Yeah, so the needs have changed significantly from what it was originally built. Right. But, you know, I mean, it's very quaint. We really like it. It's got a lot of good light. Yeah. But we understand that for the office staff, it just doesn't work now. Yeah. And as you can see, I don't know if you were here before they moved stuff out into the container. But it's a little bit more spacious. Yeah. It's a little bolder. It seems to be on that corner. There used to be a tall countertop. So the office staff put together a list of things that they would like. We have no idea how much that's going to cost. So I guess we would wait for you to do this piece to know that. Yeah. I mean, that would be the sort of, you know, to figure out, you know, I have their list and objectives and in conjunction with yours and Lister's and all that. Put together a plan that would rework the existing space in smart, sensible ways. Sort of meet the needs and hopefully be within the budget. But it seems reasonable that it could be done for the sort of stated costs would be. Further than some design. Well, I mean, I think the design for sure, but as far as the overall scope of the project, you know, I mean, it's not like... So we're not talking about ripping out walls. Yeah, no. Actually, if anything, it's like, you know, adding a few walls, moving this one around a little bit here and there, you know, picking out specifics of the floor and, you know, a lot of materials and things like that. It's mainly more of an interior design job versus, you know, as I said, there's no structural elements involved or anything like that. Probably some electrical work here and there. Yeah. And some of the functions that we have here now, like select board meetings, planning commission meetings, things like that. Once the town hall is done being renovated, those will move over. So like this table won't need to be here. It could be a smaller table. We want to set up a laptop computer for public use. So like when attorneys are coming in and things like that, I'm sure they've explained all that to you. Yeah. I have a list with, you know, all the sort of objectives. And that really helps as far as figuring out the program for the design. Right. Maybe some more back-and-forth conversations with, you know, the workers here to sort of figure out, you know, fine tune and I might have some questions here and there. What's your timeline, too? Well, I guess it's sort of, you know, now that we're, this would be the sort of signing of the contract, I guess. I said to them originally they were like, I'll have it designed by September 1st. Based on my schedules, I said I'm sort of wearing two hats of designing and building. So I'm just trying to slow down and wrapping up the project in the next two weeks or so, which will allow me more time to jump into some design work and move this one along. Yeah. Four members, questions? How much? Have Judy, have there been review of references and things like this? How did we find you? How did we find you? We have been asking lots and lots of people for recommendations and I'm not positive that we, that there was any one person in particular. We have been asking so many people that... Well, the post office one. Where is your business based on? So I do a lot of work there, residential work, build code, compliance. I saw your pictures on your website. And we do a broad range of sort of modern design stuff to more classical interior, major renovations, new construction. You did historic? We have been involved with some historic projects here. I got my start out of college as a historic restoration. This is a couple of years ago, right? No. We're going to do a lot more modern stuff. We met with Will and talked about and reviewed our list of what we're looking for, what you basically summarized. And we have the timeline, you know, the general budget or the ballpark kind of area that we're working with. We're hoping that this project could be biddable so that we could actually do the project in April or May. So that we might need to close down the office for a week and work remotely somehow from the town hall. Because we would love to have this changed before the next cycle of really busy tax time and elections and that kind of thing. So April is kind of a window of opportunity for. So we're looking at next year to actually do the physical work. So it happened through the winter? We work with Will in terms of the design and selling on the design and then time it so that it could go out to bid so that we can make a decision in order to get the work started. We're looking to actually have the construction done after budget time, after annual report time, after town meeting time, and then the month after that. Yeah. After the primary. Oh, after the primary. There's a lot of projects going on in town. We've got the town hall, we've got the Old West Church, Memorial Hall, Calis is a busy town. But like I said, I would like to remember how this came about, who designed it initially and worked on it, there's some sentimental value there. And Will has the original design that John did, I don't know. And John just hasn't had time. Oh, John doesn't want to do it. No, I don't like it. I'm just going to forget about it. But I do have a question. Have you had any experience with municipal buildings? I have not, no. Do you have an architect or an engineer who will sign up on the plans? I do work with engineers. I mean, labor and industry will be in here. Good question. We talked about handicap accessibility and those requirements that will need to be taken into consideration. Right, right. And what are you using for money? Town offices are a fund. I guess I have a concern that that was voted by the voters for repair and maintenance. I certainly understand the need to have private space in here but I'm not sure that the voters intended that money to be used for relatively new redesign, rebuild of... Well, I think the renovation, we can put the vote at town meeting. Yeah, we can do that. But the design piece, would that be a problem? I don't know how much money is in that fund. What is it? 69,000 ish. And then there would be, assuming, another vote at town meeting for another 10. It would depend on what you're going to put in your... in your procreation. I would think a town meeting may have to vote specifically to use money for this specific renovation. Well, it's out of that reserve fund. I'm not going to talk about the reserve, the town simply to vote on. They think that in a minute. Well, you've used the town hall reserve fund for the renovation of the town hall. Yeah, because the maintenance has been done on that forever and ever and ever. It was way beyond maintenance. Well, yeah. But we have $400,000 specifically for that project. Okay, so I think we can just... We're not going to... I'm going to show you're going to have money for the hall. We all want that done. The town hall, I'm just saying that... I feel like it was a 10 in 2014 when this fund was put aside. Well, I think we just have an article on the warning to ask to use those funds to make renovations. You know what I propose we do? Suggest we do? I'm going to lose my voice. That we borrow from the fund. The $3,000 to $5,000 needed to design an anticipation of the warning at town meeting. And then we do the whole little project including design. Roll that into the number that we put up for the vote. And then we... Would it make sense to consider tying in the roof repair at the same time? Yes. Because we have our bid from... We have a bid from Hutchins. Hutchins? And that was for the roofing. I talked to Andy Felice. Well, it kind of ties in though. Well, in terms of the number, we should add to Hutchins' bid number. And then Andy, that's the roofing. But the actual carpentry that needs to happen underneath to correct the deficiencies that led to the roof problem. Well, that's why I was asking him if he did roofs. I don't know if they do that part of it. Oh, in terms of repair. Right. That's what I was getting at when I asked him that. Right. Well, you're talking about the carpentry work. Right. Whatever that part of it. Yes. The substructure. Yeah. And that would be something that, like, was capable of. I don't know anything about the substructure. Yes. We don't know what's going on. We got to peel back some standing seam in the back. We know there's some rot. There's some leakage. And there's some design issues too, frankly. But that'll cause my problem. So we're going to need to peel it back and see what the next steps are required. So I'm wondering if that could be part of the scope of it. The scope of it. Right. Yeah. But I think those are still. We want, it was supposed to get done this summer. We can't really bid it because we don't know what it is. Right. So, Andy said he was willing to do that work next year. The carpentry work. Oh, okay. It's a little confusing. I'm sorry. If there's no issue around the fund being used for repairs, why would that need to go to the vote? Well, I'm just not going to complete things if that's going to confuse people that they have to get permission to fix it. Right. I wasn't thinking about asking it to the voters. I was thinking about what to do. The bid for. Andy's going to do the work. But it was supposed to get done this summer. I mean, like there's nobody else that we can hire to do that. Well, the thing, the problem is, you got to book these roofers a year in advance. In advance of the roofing season, basically, this summer. So you don't want to open it up now. Right. And so the idea would be, and I spoke with Andy about this yesterday, the thinking is that we could book Hutchman in August. That'll give Andy from May until August. Of next year? Yeah, to rip it apart and deal with it. So I guess we need to just keep him separate. Never mind. I was just trying to make it easier. You'll have your appropriation in for next year. You'll have your appropriation in for the town office. You'll want to take that into consideration when you create your budget. Right. Yeah, that makes good sense. Okay, so tonight what we're doing is, doing this, John, suggested to borrow from, but really it's, we have, We could, but we'll borrow. We have a fund balance. Yeah. That can get caught up with. Yeah. After we take the vote at town meeting, correct? We have a fund balance. You have a reserve fund balance. Is that what you mean? No, we have a fund balance going forward into FY20, correct? Yes. Okay. Well, I get, I'm confused. Are you borrowing, borrowing from the reserve fund? Right. Right. Not from your fund balance. Right. You have money in your reserve fund. Right. Okay. So that was your suggestion. Do you want to make a motion? That is a motion. Oh, okay. Oh, really? Who's taking the minutes tonight? I'm converting it into a motion. Okay, I'm going to use the other one. No, it was a suggestion. I thought you suggested it. And then made it a motion. Okay. Sir, could you please restate your motion? I don't know what the hell I said. That we, we borrow from, we call it the town hall. Town office reserve fund. It's business slash, isn't it both? No, it's separate. Town office reserve fund. I have to give a hug. I'm just saying. Town office reserve fund up to $5,000. Hopefully it'll be as much less to perform the design work. That design work would be performed by Steeplechase. Steeplechase design and build, LLC, in anticipation of that next year's budget, including a reimbursement to the fund. Well, is it really going to be in the budget or it's going to be a warned article by the board or staff? Okay. Well, it's confusing. Well, it would be, it would be incorporated in the overarching warned article that we would have, that would be in our budget. So, his entire motion is talking about the whole actual renovation, right? Yes, it does not. No, I'm talking, the motion is, the motion is that, but there's, We don't need to do anything about. But it's just acknowledging that we're going to refill the fund, the borrowed money in the fund Yeah, just do this. I'm part of our next budget cycle. All right, I'll second it. All right, so any further discussion? Questions? That makes sense? Yeah, I can go and talk. So, I'm just wondering if that kind of pushes it to the following year because if it has to be voted at March, we will not have things out to bid if it's not approved. So then it would go out to bid. That would probably need to, if it's approved and it would be done maybe in the summer? That would be, that's what you mean, right? Or do you mean the whole project? We're borrowing the money, I think we borrowed the money now in the project. For the whole project? For the town hall, I'm sorry, the town office fund, the design. That's what we're voting on right now, the design. But we can have a further discussion about the other monies when we do a budget. But I'd like for us to refill our borrowed money. Will can come back to us with the design, with how much it might cost. And then we can look at doing a similar thing with the cost of the motivation. Yeah, we got a fund and a wage. We fill it. I think we just need to change the wording of... The motion. Of the reserve fund. The purpose. Right, the purpose of the reserve fund. All right, is everybody clear? Innovation. You got any questions? Yeah, I was just curious as to how bad the rod is. You don't know. If the rod and it's leaking, is it going to collapse? It's not like that. That's why I'm asking. I don't know how bad the rod is. It's in the trim. Coming out of the eave. Can I just background on this? Yeah, I mean this has been going on for years. Two years. So what happened was that when Tom Frost was painting, he realized that the wood back there was wet. So then Ernie and John came and looked at it and came to find out the roof had been put on. Upside down. No, great. Perfect. So that was the fall of 2017. We got a quote from Hutch for $5,000 or Hutchins for $5,000. He was going to do it in April 2018, but nothing ever happened. That didn't include the repair. Right. They said get it ready for us and they'll do it. Right. When a roof leaks, there's all kinds of things that go bad. You've got mold issues. You've got starting to rot. And then this winter, if we get a lot of snow, you've got collapse. I just wonder how extensive the look was when they evaluated it. I mean, are the raptors rotten? No, no, no. It's only in the ice. There's a porch out there. And there's a change in slope also on that side. So the snow sheds down. It's that flatter area. It would probably go off, but for that porch. So then it goes over that and it backs up so we're getting a nice dam. So it's not leaking until we get to that stage. It's only in the wintertime. It's only like March. And it's from what we can see. It's really just the eave, the fascia. Right. You're just going through the reason I asked this. Yeah. You're talking about pulling it off until next year. If that thing is still leaking for another year, things are going to rot. The problem is. And then you've got structural, it starts coming down. No, no, no. And we'd like to do it now. But the problem is in Vermont, you know, carpenters and roofers, you book them like doctors. So Andy. You're out. Yeah. Andy said that he could do some minor talking and some things to kind of hold it for the winter. To keep it from. So I assumed we would have to do that and move forward. Is he going to do that? That's my understanding. Can we, is anybody ready to vote? All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, motion carries. All right. So we'll wait to get your design. Good. Thank you for coming today. I'm going to have a piece of zucchini bread. Head on home, is that okay? Help yourself. Take a big piece. I've got two bottles at home. These plates. Did you have time to make all that? Sunday afternoon, I'll tell you my story some time. All right. So are you staying for the entertainment value? I'm probably going to leave. I didn't want to be rude and walk out, but there's a microphone. Or you could stay for a while. I didn't want to be rude. Is everyone in front of the stairs? I'm going to go to the stairs. I'm going to move here. Planning to go to my house. I'm going to move to town. I'm going to move to town. I'm going to move to town. I'm going to move to town. I'm going to move to town. So we're going to talk about zoning. Administrator. Obstruction. Are we there already? Yeah. Thank you. I got a lot of time to get right here. I was wondering if you were ready to get there in time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you both for talking to us. Sure. So just passing up a little bit. We're going to use our fund as a route. In anticipation of seeking reimbursement to the fund for those expenditures next project statement. Next, what did you say? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just kidding. No. So, wait. Did you get what you missed? I found that out. Yeah. I was just kidding. Yeah. That's okay. This one is for two. No. I don't know. Okay. All right. So, can we get back on track? Zoning. Okay. So, we have two versions in the folder. I looked up one that had, you said it was Melanie's version. No. It's our version. It's the one we approved on Tuesday. It's the last one. So, okay. So, tell us. You should, I had Jan's version. You can tell me if this is the right one. There's one down further. Right. But at like 515, I found out there was a different version. That's the one. This one? Yes. Jan's version. This is the one that the planning commission approved on Tuesday. And I am sorry that. Is that the same as that? No. It's different. Okay. Okay. So, I looked at and commented on the other version. You did. And I think this version actually addresses some of the things that you had in your comments because we put in. Is there a way to describe this one? I can. I don't have to read the comments on it. Well, maybe we could look at your comments. And you can tell me, Janice. And you can tell me if my questions have been answered. That's easy. Don't worry about doing that. Just call the other version. And then Jan, you know, in the comments are addressed. Well, that's what you're saying. Oh, okay. Well, it was last Tuesday's date, Jan, that they put in. Whatever. Whatever. The first. Second. Second of September. Now, third. September 3rd. And I just forgot to send it out. It's like, you know, I didn't know what this is on tonight. That's all. This is so good. I am. Right. Okay. So you took out. You can't have them. No, you cannot. Okay. Calla's personnel policy. You took that piece out. We put, because we moved it. You moved it. Okay. Where did you move it to? We moved it to item number eight under duties and responsibilities to use and help update the callus CA procedure manual. That doesn't say anything about the personnel file. Yeah. What does that have to do with the personnel file? Oh, hang on a minute. I don't know that you even need that, but I just. We took it out and I can't remember why, but I thought we had put it someplace. I'm trying to figure out. Because we're updating the personnel policy and it would apply to the CA or any other employee. Right. Well, it was in one version, but not in the other one. I have a feeling that. Cause that was something that you said Melanie put those marks in there, those red comments. No, those are mind typing, but I mean this is all based on some feedback that they got from Melanie and that we voted on at the Tuesday meeting. She suggested taking them. Yeah. She said it's good. It's obvious. It's an appointment. It's an appointment that you are giving. We're going to be following the. Yeah. Right. They have to follow it anyway. Right. Okay. It doesn't have to be there. All right. So back to my other. I was like, we all know what bylaws mean. I know. I know that's the correct term, but I just wonder if somewhere in there we can say bylaws. Well, but you got the title of what the official title of our land regulations are. It's the callous land use and development regulations. And we sometimes call them bylaws and you're right. I mean, we can keep zoning regulations in. I mean. I think zoning regs is a much more common user friendly term than bylaws. I mean. I think for the general. I don't hear. I don't hear. I think it refers to bylaws. Right. Bylaws is what the official statutory references because I could say the bylaws or zoning regulations. I mean, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Right. I think you could just do it that way once so that people because I know people glaze over when they've heard. We've talked about bylaws and like, what? You say something and they're like, okay. Yes. That's fine. I don't care about that. I mean, we can add that. Okay. That's a good one. I didn't have very many comments. That sounds addressed. Do you? Okay. Let me ask that. I mean, you weren't zoning regs in place of bylaws in that paragraph? They just do it once at the top. Okay. All right. And then hopefully people will remember. Okay. So bylaws slash zoning regulations. Well, the ZA, the ZA doesn't nobody did the first day of his early on the job. What bylaw means. Right. Then we probably hired the wrong person. I'm just thinking of anybody else that agrees that. Did you have something else? No, I just came in for that. Oh, okay. Thanks for coming. See ya. Bye. Thanks, well, I'm glad to see you. Bye. Good night. Good night. I thought my calendar was on. I'm going to go through the 17th. Yeah. I'll stable it. Yeah. You're online. Just have it in that one section. Okay. And now we're going to move. That might have been all of the comments. I don't remember. No, down here. We want to say something. Because you know how we right now, there's a lot. There's some documents that need to be put on the website. Well, that's all part of maintaining the records with zoning applications of permits. Provide a copy of the proof permits to buildings and subdivisions to the listeners and prepare an annual report. I'm going to have to go to the town clerk as well. It always goes to, that's in the procedure manual for the ZA. I mean, that's part of the ZA procedure manual. Right. Or could be routinely missed. Let me put it that way. And I think you had another comment. You wanted something to be in expectations? Oh, I know. What is this timely manner? We got to make a date about that. It's hard to define. I originally had put in one business day and that got flooded, it flowed in my face. Well, that's a little short. Well, it is. But my whole reason for, and Melanie finally understood what she was saying is that we have no way of monitoring the date necessarily. That a phone call comes in, if the person calls the zoning administrator, nobody here is going to keep track of it. We just want them to, you know, we can recommend on an interview. We want it to be within a certain number of days. But they said for the purposes of a job discretion, say it's in a timely manner. It's a big debatable thing. I just remember we had an issue previously with documents, you know, things getting done, phone calls getting returned, and timely manner is different to different people. So I don't know how we can better define that. So I was thinking like... We could say timely manner at no later than two business days. Or three business days. Three business days to me seems like reasonable. Three business days. I originally had, I was pretty strict because my business thing was you contact a customer back. I agree. But this is a part-time job. And it is. And they might be sick. They might be away. They might, you know, there's all kinds of things. So you have to give a little leeway here. So a timely manner and no later than three business days. That's reasonable. If you want to offer some more latitude to the person in this position, you could change that to knowledge and or respond. So you can at least say, hey, we got this. We're working on it. That goes a long ways to it. But that was one of the things that I was talking about. I got your message. I'm sorry I can't get to it, but I will get back to you. But that's how much? Handholding? How much handholding do you use? That's why we're having this discussion. This stuff is never a problem when you have someone who's professional, but right, you have a problem employee. These are the bases that you use. And this missile, if you're not clear, then all of a sudden the language that everyone blessed, including the attorneys, like, well, I wish we had given this more thought. I'm uncomfortable with, you might be setting yourself up for. So it's good to be tight. That's why we're really picky right now. We've been there. Cliff, what was your suggestion? I was just saying a possibility, not saying that we need to do this, but if we feel that there's concern about people in this position being able to fulfill this requirement, and based upon the discussions you were having, we can give them more latitude there by saying, you know, response can be an acknowledgement. So it would be acknowledge and or respond to. But you could respond to it, certainly covers acknowledging. Right, right. Can we add respond to phone calls, e-mails? You want to say, well... Or you could just say phone calls, this sounds a little picky here. Correspondence, that would convert e-mails and letters because it might not be an application. Inquiry. Phone calls, inquiries. Almost everything. Correspondence. Everything mostly comes in. As I know, Donna right here, most of the time it comes in by phone. When I look through a lot of that stuff, there's nothing written. You get all kinds of phone calls before people even do an application. But I don't think it would hurt to add inquiries or correspondence to that sentence. Just so it's clear. We have future problems. We're going to get a John McCulloch clone. That's working again. Yeah, on their home phone. No part-time. On your job search in California. Can somebody, you know, I'm making notes here, but I'm not sure I'm writing them right. So is anybody here that can... They can do that. What would you like me to capture? Well, I think it's... Do you want to say acknowledge or respond? I'm fine with respond. Okay, to phone calls, e-mails. Or I think John's a correspondence which I think... Correspondence and applications in a timely manner, and no later than three business days. You already have an end in there. Sorry, I just used to type an end after a comma. In a timely manner, but no later than... Are we taking out two maintained good customer relations? You could take it out. Yeah, that's obvious. I remember why that phrase was put in way back when. They're our customers. They're our business. Okay. You ended up here. You got it there. And then you've taken out that whole out-of-the-top sentence. You know that, Dan, right? The personnel policy sentence. Yeah. Well, you're writing on the other one. As opposed to the final one that I had. Yeah, that's okay. I can save a version of what we're editing here compared to the final one that you approved and make sure it's home. Thank you. And then email it to me. I know that we will put it on the town's website and then we'll start writing it out. Add. Okay. I didn't figure out why you couldn't name a document with slashes, but they have slashes because they're date-modified. The computer puts it in by itself. It's small slashes and programming commands. And it starts to think that it means something else, yeah. All right. We want to say something about making sure things are file. I think you said that's a given. We've had that as a past. So we don't want to make sure we say that. What, that they go to the town clerk? And that they need to be put on the website. A lot of the number seven on the duties and responsibilities are what's in the callus ZA procedure manual? The callus procedure manual? Or the ZA? The callus ZA procedure manual. Is that different than... Dot and John made a callus ZA procedure manual. Okay. I have it. Dot forwarded it to me. And there's a lot of step-by-step itemization of what you do. Which a lot of this stuff in item seven is listed. And so we're not saying that they have to follow it necessarily, but we are saying that we want their help to update it as their jobs change. If it changes. So we've added the eight, use and help use, and then help update the callus ZA procedure manual. Okay. We're putting in number eight. You have, your little note says you wanted an expectations. It is up in number 13. We added a 13 that said willingness and ability to participate in relevant educational seminars and the Vermont CAC. So you changed reliable transportation to 14 but then it's 13. Okay. So then that took care of that, making it part of expectations. And then we could take out all the helpful aids because we moved all of that up there. Okay. The same thing with the procedure manual by putting it into the duties and responsibilities and into the expectations, we could get rid of that helpful hint. Yeah. Yeah, but it's not just the end. It's not the end. So that's what, that was what, this is what we've done. Okay. So you approve this on September 3rd. All right. So select board. Are you good with these changes and ready to approve the job description changes? All right. Yes. So I'll make a motion to approve the revised zoning administrator job description as presented by the planning commission with select board edits. So approve the revised CA job description. Approved by the planning commission on September 3rd. With further, with select board edits. With select board edits. That's concise. So I'm going to match up. Can you give me a lift? Yeah. Denise and then if I missed anything, I would have an opportunity to remind me to add it. Okay. Okay. Second. All right. Any further discussion, comments? Comments. Do I have comments after you vote? It's not about that. Something else about zoning. All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you for working on this. I'm beginning to wonder what's the longevity of a zoning administrator? I don't think we changed anything with John to vote. No, we did. He just kind of jumped in there to help us out. Yeah. They stepped by step. It's like a checklist. Right. You did that. I found that the other day when we were going. Yeah. It tells what John did. It tells what John did. It says what the clerk does. But we don't know if we're having a dot. We're having one person that's going to do both a dot and a John. Oh, right, right, right. So it's got to be kind of combined. I'm just saying that this exists. It was really helpful because the dot John, the other procedures kind of, it's more of a, a lot of verbiage, I think, when the dot had. And I did this because it's like step by step. So we could incorporate that into. Right. I'm just saying that this is here. Right, okay. Yeah, that's a good point. That is good. The checklist helps. The checklist is very helpful. Well, if they, if they use it. Well, that too is not using it. I can say that right now. So, Jan, what's the, so now you're going to do, oh, do you want to speak first? Oh, um, so somebody, I mean, for what John does for 200 dollars and one, and he was appointed, it was to be temporary. A few weeks. And he's made a promise that when he turned 70, he was not going to be on any committees. So you guys have got one year of response. Just on the planning commission person, the Lister, and the interpreter. It will be the same without him. Well, it's going to take a long time for somebody for, I mean, John's going to have to train this person. Yeah. I just think it's going to be a year-long project because by the time we find somebody, now, if we're lucky, maybe somebody from town Whitbury or Warshfield or whatever might want another job and they have, they have knowledge and they might, you know, who knows. That would be good because we don't have to train them for crash. Right. No, it doesn't have to be a resident. There's no resident. We've had a Z-84 from you. I know. Right. The person from Wuster is the zoning administrator in my failure. Or the zoning administrator in my failure. So you know she lives in Wuster, but she's the zoning administrator, which is the summertime position in my failure. So will you post the ad on the surrounding towns from Warshfield? And what's the time I want to get that done? Well, I don't know. If I get this, get this final, I would say I get it to Judy. I want it up on the website before I run the ads. And I want to do front-page form and then I think we want an ad in the time garbage. And the hardwood cassette. And you can also put it on Rotling the Cities and Towns has a job site. Maybe planning too. Yeah. B.T. Digger. That's where you get a lot of young folks. They don't have ads. They don't have any ads for that. I thought they did stuff like that. They're giving them a bit. They're giving them a bit. Seven days. Seven days as a whole. Yeah. All right. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you. Thanks, Jan. Moving that a lot. Yes. I stole this one. Yeah, you did. Our porch folder. Our porch folder is hardwood cassette. Yeah. And central Vermont planning. They do joint meetings with ZAs in planning and DRB. Round tables. Okay. All right. Okay. You're done. Thank you very much. See you. Good night. Which one are you staying for? I felt a little interested in the shed letter. The shed letter. Oh. I didn't jump down to that. That's under my update thing. All right. So dot nailer, sent me an email asking if we could send Elizabeth Shed a letter reminding her that parking in the road night and day is not an option. He counts. So I said I would ask the board and it's underneath my update to see if the board would like me to draft something. Maybe run it by Jim Barlow. Didn't we already send her a similar letter? We never did. I don't think we ever did. I'll look and see what I don't think we did. There was a request from her father that we write a letter on that. So we got it to the issue of the horses running and on. That's all that resolved. Oh, yes. We're quite charmed. For now. No. We opted not to write the letter because the neighbors had already put together a letter to her. The issue of the cars being parked in the town right away. At one point she had a wagon that was parked out there. You remember the truck wagon? Yep. And Wilson I was with him told her that that's not an option and she did move the wagon. I think it might have been out there one more time and then she moved it. It has been an issue since. The thing with the cars is newer. She first got back into town. If she doesn't have a car she has access to one. That's what I understand. And that when she first got back into town and working it out there that was back when a lot of the meetings were going on for the school board and whatnot and Dot had mentioned it to the slack board. By the time we had met she'd already moved it and Dot said it hadn't been an issue. Until. It's probably going to be an on and off issue so I don't think a letter would hurt to have it on the record. So we said vehicles and obstructions exactly. Right. Tyra Worf is up in the town right away like she's done. Especially any other obstructions right? We need to be distinguished between the right away and the travel line. Travel portion of the right away that's what we need to study. Because we have trees growing right away. So she needs to get it out of her dress. She needs to not park vehicles or other out to the travel portion of the right away. That's correct. So maybe what I'll do is if it's okay with the board I'll draft something. I'll run it by John or I can run it by Cliff and then if we need to we can run it by Jim. That's a pretty simple instruction. I mean it doesn't have to be long but you had something more? Yeah, I mean I'm all for doing something about her park there but I also want you to keep in mind that there are other people at park here there and everywhere. I know there's many times when I try to go through maybe corners and I can't get a truck through there because there's something going on at the community center. And there's nothing we can do about that. I mean you're not going to send something to the community center saying you can't park cars right away. And again I'm just trying to keep it fair for everybody. I know she does have a bunch of wood there in her parking area. She does have a parking area so if that pile of wood was piled then she could get her car off the road. What if we said overnight? Because I think part of the problem is that it's she parked stuff there overnight. And then that wouldn't be treating her any different than Maple Corner for instance, right? Right. I don't know if that would address Dot's concern or not. Well I think we can point out that we don't send a letter like this to Maple Corner community center for instance when there's stuff going on there and people can't get through. But Dot's email does say night and day. And I also would suggest that she had a party and there were 20 people there and 20 cars there and it was a Saturday afternoon barbecue and then it ended and it didn't happen for another month. We wouldn't say that's what goes on everywhere. But it was a permanent parking space basically in the middle of the road. Yeah, well I'm just thinking the wording is you know it's crucial and you got to treat everybody right, thank you for that. It's definitely a problem, I reckon. I come by the other day and that's her cars right in the road. A lot of people really try to pull over as close as they can and she just kind of parks. Yeah. Wherever. We don't have on-street parking. Right. Over night on-street parking. Yeah. And this is especially important with winter approaching snow clouds because we do have ordinances about that. We should also put her on notice if she parks within the non-dropple portion of the right of way. If she gets hit or a vehicle gets injured her property gets damaged by a plow going through that's on her. Right, but we have an ordinance about not parking in the winter parking ordinance which we get attached to this. You have something to work with? Nope. We got it. And that ordinance does treat everybody the same. Good? Great. Cross that one off my list. Of course. There we go. All right. Now we're going to talk about the union. The onion. The onion. Okay, so I think I said the onion. Right. To start off with a double check it's not 319 it's 1-9. So I let them know they had a typo there. So I think I sent the board or tried to remember the CC the board on some of this stuff. So we responded and you saw my email to Tim about our decision at the last meeting that we were just going to say okay, we choose option 1 no problem. And then they wrote back and said and then I talked to Tim Newman today and John you can probably hear the union kind of guy because I didn't understand why they kept saying you got to make a decision about referring to the statement and I said this is Tim Newman saying I was referring to the statement and I sent him her fourth email to you and Mr. LaBona Martin in order to certify the voluntary recognition by the employer which is what we did last time when we chose option 1. We require the employer to verify that the union has demonstrated the support of the employee that seeks to represent the recognized bargaining unit is appropriate. Okay, so to break that down I wrote him back and said how would we know if the union has demonstrated the support of the employees and that we already If the union has if the union has demonstrated the support of the employees that seeks to represent them So I asked him, so how would we know that and that we've already recognized the unit and chose option 1. So he called me and he was really helpful he was very patient with all my questions and I repeat to make sure I understood it because I've never done this before you have, but I haven't First off, he wanted us to know they are impartial they are impartial they are impartial they are impartial they are impartial but he wanted to give us some information one is we have there is no requirement that we recognize the union we don't have a problem with that we recognize it, we chose option 1 and so he said under option 1, here's what we need to do the employer which is the town the union wants to the union needs to demonstrate that it has the majority of the members right to voluntarily recognize two ways to do this are we could ask the union if they're willing to show the town the cards to certify that the majority of the employees which in this case would be 2 out of 3 have signed the cards and the union would show them to us the third option would be to ask a third party who is disinterested to verify that the majority of the employees have agreed to the union and he says if we don't if we choose one of these and we still can't decide they would come in and do an election I don't think that's necessary we're not opposing it we just don't really understand what we're supposed to do the first two options let them pick it doesn't matter to me but somehow we have to agree that the union has verified that the majority of the members have agreed to this so now I get it it keeps repeating this hand language really can't just say this so with that being said we just have a copy of the cards if the union wants to release it you have a right to add an enmity right it's pretty like how an anomalous whatever the word is when we know those three names and he said it was 3,000 people it would be hard to do they might not want to know the easiest thing would be the union just said here's a copy of the cards done if they don't want to do that then we have to find a third party disinterested so we would have to figure out who that might be and I don't know that we need to go there yet let's see if they'll just give us a copy of the cards yeah and then the other thing they keep asking how are we supposed to know this whether or not the the employees sought representation from another organization how are we supposed to know that and that's what he said also we have to say we are not aware of any other you're not aware of any other we're not aware of this one so we're not aware well once they give us the cards we'll know that they're not pursuing yet another union would be silly for them to be pursuing two at once so I would like to select word to authorize me to write back Tim Noonan and Tim LaBombard it gets really confusing because it's two Tim's yeah with what we've discussed tonight these two that's that on that one second and approved yeah we all agree yeah I told him I said we just all agreed just do it you're going to send a letter to which Tim or both Tim? yeah to which one? both of them Tim LaBombard and Tim Noonan Tim Noonan's labor relations Tim LaBombard top CC Tim Noonan well Tim Noonan is the one who responded to me but you're going to be given direction to Tim LaBombard what you need and then you're going to for information and I did ask them going forward okay so now this union is established I didn't ask them about dues because that's up to the union to take care of that and to work with Sandra to have them you know with held out of paychecks so what happens now you know we're getting into budget season so do everything stay the same? well until and I said because I want to be clear if you're responsible if the union wants to come and talk to the board about you know negotiating this and negotiating that it's on the union to come to the board I wanted to make sure it's not something we have to keep track of and do but I just want to be clear in my head so that I'm not forgetting something and he said yes so after this it's on them okay I got to send it to Katie to put in here but there is a document that I was starting to fill out online based on information from the Ramatlinga cities and towns because you all these different steps to do like when the select board approved the amended ordinance within 44 days somebody from the town residence in file of petition was 5% of the registered voters to not a call for a public hearing which would be a special town meeting type of thing the whole procedure thing it's really helpful you can go in and put in the days so if no document or no petition is filed within 44 days then the ordinance becomes effective in 60 days from the time that it was amended so that was the research I've done and Rose Toby never really responded to your I don't think so so I'm not sure when you send the he just sent another document which is the same document where he had the demands of written questions did you just send the email I sent? yeah Alfred's usually pretty good about getting back to that there do you think it's messed up the way it's ran? I think there's a bunch that like your point about all those roads all in one town highway town highway 46 is not it's very confusing as to which each road should have a name and a number on that form some of them are there's like three or four roads on the same town highway number everybody gets a speeding ticket and it's not clear in the ordinance they can what's the right word? challenge it because the ordinance isn't clear and we asked Toby to clear those things up and I don't see that it's been done how do you change how do you change in the ordinance? well those three or four road names have the same town highway number they do have the same town highway number that's Rose's point that's why it's confusing so is that something we have to add town highway numbers to the whole thing? well you'd have to put the town highway number 46 and whatever the road name is because for instance, Peek and Brook in North Calist Road have the same road number and the proportions of it are named differently which makes no sense but it is what it is I mean how did that come about? is that something that the state did? because some of those roads are class 2 they're class 2 they're combined that was age 7 yeah my understanding is that they segmented a lot of roads like the town highway 46 town highway 46 is the mother and maybe the town highway lightning ridge where are you? see you at town highway 46 right here? yeah and it has them clucked together with lightning ridge but what happened what I was looking at is what happened to town highway 47 and this talks about 48 and this talks about 57 and then town highway 61 and that doesn't even make sense this pond is the state from Fowler and lightning ridge is definitely distinct from so how are we going to get this? do you know if it was put together by the state or if it was just we should find that out the traffic ordinance is put together by the town but if these are but if these are the road I don't know can we look at a map and see if maybe this whoever put this in here no it's the same on the map it is because you look at a map at the shop and it goes through and that town highway number is throughout the whole even when the road changes it's still like less pun comes down to Fowler, Adamant all the way down lightning ridge it's not all one road so it should be each road should have a number so maybe it is the state then that we would have to ask I don't think we can adopt this tonight I hate to keep putting it off I'd like to just get it off our plate but I want to do it right is there a town highway 47 I think lightning ridge is 47 well I think that's an error in the ordinance there's all three of those or four of those roads I wonder if you and I should meet at the shop or here look at the map that you have compare it with this because it's still not right Toby was supposed to make it right maybe he thinks he did well I think it's more than than just striking it I think we got to research and see if it is if those numbers are dictated by the state right then if they're not right they need to change it right or we have a state version and we have our own version well our road should match theirs or theirs should match ours whatever way no I'm curious is Worcester Road we can't hill road the same road no do you know I don't I usually refer to this in the map the reason I'm I'm asking is back in the 50s you probably know about this story the state had had a plan to do an east west corridor and they were going to go from Worcester Worcester Road through Calis through Maple Corner to Kent Hill Road through the Moscow Woods Road they wanted the east west to connect Route 12 to Route 14 and they wanted to pave that and the state came in and actually surveyed it and we're getting ready and there was a I don't know the woman's name it was brought up to me by Gary Schultz I think or Eva or somebody said there was this old lady she was like 80 years old and she went out in the middle of the night and pulled all the stakes and kept doing it and the state said well if you don't want payment we're not going to give you payment so there and the town's like exactly we don't want people to go on 55 miles an hour in Florida so that was a story but if you notice Worcester Road is a wide road they actually had done some improvements in the 50s to Worcester and some of the other Frenches and they were not happy during if you and I should sit down we can do it here at the office and go through this line by line and if we have questions find out who we ask at the state level well it would be Sean but if you and I go through it first line by line we have roses comments which I want to keep on the radar and just double check everything because I thought we had done the same concern that Rose brings up over the years I've always looked at that and it's like man there's three road names under the same town I've owned and how do you determine and I really I certainly have a big self-interest Lightning Ridge is where my home is and so that's what I was just trying to see so that's really all I looked at because I'm not familiar with town-wide so I just zeroed in on my own neighborhood and then I saw that there's no stop signs either at the top or the bottom and a lightning ridge the stop signs are there but it's not in the ordinance it's not in the ordinance so I think there's a fair amount of work to do on this ordinance before we make any changes we should try to do as many as we can and do it right before we hang out so can we get together next week maybe? sure and you and I can just go through line by line have that map that I think I have a copy over here and you have one yeah I've got a large map on the wall over there it's probably easier to read than the one I have yeah I can you know it's just tactile so I'm not nice to do it right on the computer are your billboards on next week? yeah it's going to be tough let me know what you guys work out as soon as you can and I'll see if I can make it happen yeah because it wouldn't work to have two more eyes or a set of eyes on this another option if I couldn't if you both scribble it on some paper yeah well I can do that there's another set of eyes and then maybe have a hit so we can call it on the screen but Alfred did make a point he trans who does it that designating actual highway numbers and there may be another process because we have a town highway map we submit to them for aid so we may we may need to adjust I don't know we may need to confer with them so I think the bottom line is we need to work on this some more well there must be a process for like even even numbering new roads well I was thinking of Chapin the Chapin road development but Chapin road was always there but is it Lafberry Ridge at the end of it or is that the name of the development there must be a process for if we had a new road but we do have a process but who gets the number on it so like now we have old roads without a number maybe yeah we should look into this I mean there's going to be times where there's going to be a new road built so do we have it but the one that Doug Lilley put up to sign Doug Lilley that's private so we don't have to worry about that but the one that Rose is talking about Lafberry Ridge if Blackberry Ridge the people there decide that they want their road maintained and they want to pay to bring it up to code then it's going to be a town road it's going to need a name it's going to need a highway number it's going to name but it's going to be recognized by the town and put on to a map which is going to require a town highway number so they don't get a number if they're private no because the town is a main tier so Alfred and I and maybe Cliff will work on this further which makes perfect sense to me to get it right alright so you got that no minutes okay Rose mm-hmm thank you alright so next up letter 2 as you said alright so next up I haven't scheduled a meeting with the surrounding towns Janet has done some draft legislation and I got to focus back on that but I haven't had time oh yeah and she contacted the Orange slide board because they've had a problem with pigs running loose oh yeah it's like on the news 100 pigs or something running loose 250 I think really so we can go scoop them up I think almost all of them are scooped I think that's what I heard yeah they got them almost all got her back but she did send the legislation to Orange and they're interested the representative from Orange is interested in signing on so stay tuned on that one let's see what else IT? no not really anything from what we discussed at our last meeting John and I did an executive session just to talk about some contract things minor differences nothing significant I can review on that later that would be the only update everything else everyone here was present for I will say that we do need to get back on task though to make a decision how we want to proceed and I don't have time to do that at the next meeting because it is pretty full bucket we could do it if we start maybe earlier but I don't know what everybody's work schedules are so if we did it on the 23rd are you working on the 23rd? well whatever it's two weeks is that two weeks from today yeah so I would be working okay we'll figure it out yeah okay thank you I was going to have the town hall committee do an update tonight but we need to work with Cliff, Sandra Donna and I are looking to get together to go over budgets there have been some differences in budgets most of it a lot of it has to do with the way bookkeeping was done when Donna was treasurer which was the quick books modified cash, a cruel or something and the way it has been and now it is now is the cash basis now is now Rick that's cash basis so I want to get some of that stuff straightened out before I have Donna and John come to the select board I did have Katie put in the folder this latest update I gotta say you guys John McCullough has been living, breathing, sleeping at the town hall we have got to get that man somehow I am worried at his age not that he is in bad health he is my age he says that he is one year and three months to be in 7th they have talked with Jackie who is Ernie's bookkeeper so I want to get all that straightened out before we come to the board to do an update because I don't want there to be any issues and like I said we have got to do something for John he is I mean like I said he just eats, lives and breath at that place and you know we have got a few people that have come in to do some volunteer stuff we need volunteers to go and help and not expect to get paid they can put out a relative work volunteer work well sometimes that can be worse because you get a lot of people that don't want to have to do it but skilled people what are the skilled working on where are they at I am not exactly sure now where they are at the other partners are working on the site right and then he has had a couple of volunteers who Donna sent us a picture of one of them they have been mainly the work that they have been doing most recently is relating to the work and then putting down that getting that installed getting the floor and putting on top of that getting that oiled John is working on installing the warm board and he has had I think the other crew is doing that too Ernie's crew right they are trying to get Ernie's crew back on track it has been hard for everybody for the main person to die in the middle of it it was horrible it has been front and center trying to help supervise the crew over there he has been working on that place night and day we owe him a huge debt of gratitude I don't know words aren't enough thank you so there we are I can add it's good to know that I am I am with regard to the quotes for the septic system I volunteer to help John out there because he hasn't had time to follow up with you because he's gotten some independent quotes but we want to see compare that and get an apples to apples comparison what it would look like if we had the road crew doing that work he just hasn't had the time to follow up with you on that so I volunteer to do that and at some point John and I are going to sit down they're going to tell me what they need so I can then buzz you out and say okay this is what we need you to come up with for us so we can put together effectively the callous road crew quote for the septic system let me know if you can use it well I can assure you it would be a whole lot less than any quote that you've gotten already absolutely but what we really want to drill down into is clearly the labor costs that are included in these other quotes are something for us because we are already paying the road crew but what about the materials that's where we think you can get creative I'll be able to help us save some money there as well yeah because he can get it directly from the pits they're going to get it directly from the pits right in our trucks sure that will be really helpful we leave a lot of stress on John a lot but he's been so busy that he hasn't even been able to nail him down to get a time for us to meet I just don't want him to get hurt because he gets over tired we don't want something to happen Ernie worked himself to the bone you see where that led we don't want that to happen to John so anyways that's thanks for volunteering on the 23rd we have this CVRPC RCT GMTA coming to talk about this Route 14 creative class and then CVRPC, Road to Road and I and Toby was there Stephanie Kaplan have I got my right road then no that was the resilient roads thing we did last week that's different but this road erosion thing you guys weren't available because that's when you went to pick up the truck so it was Pam, Dan Courier Toby came for a while Larry Bush was there and this is to talk about the road erosion inventory that CVRPC has been working on with Alfred Veronica's that road erosion inventory report meeting was a couple of weeks ago and the other meeting that was last week on Thursday this is 923 where she's going to give us a report on 923 right and so Dan Courier is part of the CVRPC Route 14 thing so while he's here we thought we'd provide two things together to have the road erosion inventory report because we reviewed it and asked a few questions and comments so they were going to go back and make clarifications so Dan's coming on the 23rd along with Bonnie and then these two people from RCT and GMTA they have two separate presentations what's RCT Rural Community Transportation it's the equivalent of GMTA it's those red buses and they're looking to do like Morrisville St. John'sbury commuter bus like down Route 14 so that'll be on 23rd hopefully we can have a town hall update I would do that first before all this other CVRPC and road stuff anything else anything of anything else I'm missing I think there's a right away permit coming up that will be short I already know about it I've looked that God bless you bless you John oh my goodness I'm much better trust me you look like you're fading okay anything else you want to review and approve do you have anything else no I'm good yeah you didn't have to stay this long that's for sure well it's nice to keep us company though we appreciate it as long as you stay away from those snow plows right thanks Alfred good night minutes a few cents here I say yeah I did review yeah and I even tried to make changes to one of them and I don't know let's see whether or not it happened well at first I didn't have permission and then I had to like click on permission then when the permission came down it like flashed Robbie Richard and then it like went from to came yeah because he said this up right well my question was so these are the minutes I'm not sure this is from the what's the date on this August 5th oh August 5th minutes I'm not sure hmm it's a special one August 5th yeah it was a special okay um so my question is and I want standards I don't think we can improve these tonight because I'm not sure this thing about the veterans the amount I'm not sure that's right the state allows for 10,000 per veteran Cal's allows 40 therefore 1,000 needs to raise $300,000 in taxes for the veteran I want standard to double check that I'm not sure that's right yeah maybe it's 30,000 $30,000 times 10 veterans well I don't think we have 10,000 I think it's the grand list is affected to the 2 and a 3 right in the first sentence there is a veteran's exemption utilized by 10 Cal's residents right but I don't know that's a $40,000 reduction of their grand list value so it has the grand list impact would be $300,000 but that doesn't add up so that's why I want standard to double check that some vets have a very low value property over 40,000 well that's what I'm not sure if we're going to have it in a minute it's helpful but I want it to be right um I don't remember if I made anything else down below do you remember anything else Rose I'm always going down I know just making a note here and I even got creative I even found how to send my comment to Sandra oh my goodness you are techno savvy so I don't think I commented on this I think it's the other segment and I just wanted to be clear because when we're talking about the redesign um the space initially was just the town clerk now we've got a lot more people so I just wanted to be clear in a minute say interior redesign can you redesign interior redesign interior redesign second paragraph but we should say at the top too interior redesign so people don't get upset I don't see the let that out oh I know I think it was including communication and IT not just to me they're they should be identified two separate things it is well that's because I put it in right because we talked about frame and right okay there's none so we'll have to so we're not going to we're just we're reviewed and agreed on the 8-5 minutes but we need the treasurers to answer the question about the veterans exemption so the next minutes are obvious did we hit the 12th already I didn't see the 12th anymore I didn't see it in there we might have done them last week I can't remember which ones August 12th we did them already it's here in the public so so we're ready to do them 8-26 almost ready I don't know we're not in there enough over tonight 8-26 minutes there we go I can't remember if I made any comments on these or not maybe what is that little blue thing that looks like a bridge what is that Colbert that's right so it looks like right so let's see if you can scroll down and we'll see if there's any comments from me I think I put in that comment but I it doesn't look like my stuff no I put that in because it wasn't clear that it was oh wait it kind of thinks it is we still haven't heard back from the school the district about our no I sent the superintendent an email she didn't respond so I recently you know oh look at that yeah Rick purchased that he had a little bit of our stuff so I think whatever I put in there it worked can you go back up to the change I made to see if everybody's okay with that this guy who was in the audience do you guys remember that guy that was Hanover here he was talking about Apple Hill I think yeah because there's a class 4 section right Richard Hyde commented that the increased rain during the winter there's I'm either side had to very small talks um come on because we talked about it was on Apple Hill maybe it doesn't really matter I just thought it would be interesting to say I don't think we need to have in there about John that he talked about that thing about the women yeah so we can just get rid of that I did bring up to this John Lenz guy who wrote me back and said the students are going to be sending us a proposal to do this project one of the things we put on their radar is just in general school buses in Vermont what other towns and bus companies for tires I brought up the issue with the tire thing to John Lenz I don't know what's going on I keep bringing it up that's why I figured I'd bring it up and the students can put it on their radar as something that they investigate how other towns do that I'm wondering if we're getting blown off on that too I think we are so that's why I brought it up to this guy he was really great wasn't he not to sidetrack too much but I think if they are not responsive Scott Thompson does not put it on the agenda but we've asked him twice well and I sent I don't think it's been put on the agenda ever and so then I think we send a letter because I think we need the CYA because it would be just our luck that a bus goes off the road flips over and they point you finger playing at us when you have a chance do you want to start drafting a letter I don't do that because like I said I did I'm really fired up about this I know you were here so in your brought this issue up because I thought well there are other towns too and other bus you know other school districts because they're looking at all these different road issues and I told him we get blamed if the bus can't go but yet the bus doesn't have adequate equipment you know the library it's less about the bus going it's more about steering and stopping and you can go go go on the hill but when you come down the other side of that I need to be able to steer well and then I said our road commissioner I think Alpha was here we were talking about it it just got done standing and maintaining the road and then I said that you had gone out there and looked and checked the tires and discovered that they were not appropriate for the season so I just wanted to know where I brought it up and I heard that stuff was changed about maybe we can ask to put you know what I mean just the one where I had to strike out maybe we should start a place on the agenda of the next school board meeting you and me to these maybe Alfred see the problem I have is if we just take out that portion of it the sentence doesn't make sense right well we have a fixed sentence we could just say John Lenz oh we need to take out that prioritizing the needs of women in that community right we don't get to put that on the street the whole thing so just stop and look into it right it's just pumpkin bread it's pumpkin zucchini oh good thank you I haven't tried it and was there anything else we needed to someone over there okay good to go oh wait a minute I put it in red I did that editing thing that Sharon's always writing on me about that little pencil thing out there at the top right I did it with that little pencil thing still didn't put your name back I didn't know but we just need to change it back to black it's under 5 there we go so somebody might make a motion to approve the office 26 minutes as amended so moved second all those in favor please say aye we close hearing none amended I think that's it I'd like to be for us to go for 5 minutes into the executive session discuss real estate matters okay second discussion alright second session John Gray thing