 Another way of saying that everything within the cosmos is simultaneous is that ideas leave not their source. There is no gap. There is no space in between events, a span of minutes or seconds or days or months or years, that separate events because ideas leave not their source. All events are of the wrong mind. There is no gap. We were just reading the line that for time and space are one illusion which takes different forms. If it has been projected beyond your mind, you think of it as time, the nearer it is brought to where it is, the more you think of it in terms of space. So time and space are just this little gap in between cause and effect. And the teachings of the Course, the teachings I'm teaching are that there is no gap between cause and effect. And if there is no gap between time and space, there is no personhood. Because that's where personhood is. It's in that gap. It isn't. It isn't. It seems to be. That's where it is, but it isn't. The subject-object split. We're taking time. We're taking time. We're taking time. I think the first half hour could be so crucial, I bet, huh? I feel like I'm running to catch up here. Step back, please. You must say that in another way. He could say it in many ways. The subject-object split that we talked about can only be equated with that gap. No matter how you come at it, you just have to see the impossibility of that gap. The whole teachings of the Course is that there is no gap between cause and effect. The whole teachings of the Course is that there is no such thing as linear time. But by hanging on to linear time, personhood, I hold the gap. And I'm standing here like this. Cause, effect. Hold it, pushing it away. It's hard, but I can do it. To use the example of the Hub or the teaching learning sessions where I say, you know, bring all of your adjustments, bring all of your logistics to the Hub and see that there aren't any. You know, the whole point of mysticism is to keep coming and coming and coming and going and going and going towards that point where you see that cause and effect aren't apart and there aren't any logistics to handle. You know, it's even the things that we seem to be doing as messengers of peace, you know, preparing whatever, a cover page or a part for the front, preparing applications to send into the IRS for non-profit status. Everything that seems to be done in the world is perceived within the basic assumption that cause and effect are separate. That you have to do certain things to have other things happen. That if you do this, then this will happen. If I apply for non-profit status and I fill out all the forms and do this and this and this and I really am persistent with it, then non-profit status will be granted. Cause, effect. If I plant a seed, plant some seeds and I put them in fertile soil and I water them and there's sunshine and there's rain, the seeds will grow. But how does that say, why is that showing that their separate cause is separate from effect? Because one is happening before the other seemingly in linear time. Cause always precedes the effect. And what the teachings of the Course are and what we're coming to see is that's ludicrous. The world of images is a projection of unreal effects that are coming from this unreal cause. If you think about the projector, the motion picture analogy where there's the projector and then there's film going through which would be the false cause. And then the images that are seen on the screen at the movie theater, those would be effects of the projection of those images. But if the film's not real and therefore the image, if the film is an unreal cause then the images are an unreal effect. But when you're watching a movie from a seed point of view it seems as if, you know, how the mind gets identified as if it's right there in the movie and it starts feeling startled or happy or crying and doing all these things because it believes in these false cause effect relationships and it really believes that people do things to other people. And certain objects, you know, like in science for every action there is a reaction. The mind really believes in the reality of that. So that's why when you go really deep into this stuff it can start to seem disorienting. Tom and I were talking about on our walk today is that times there can be these disorienting moments where the world as one has known it doesn't seem to be as it was. Things are not as they appear to be in the world. There's nothing in the world that there's not this cause in the world that's producing this effect in the world. It's all generated from my mind. The cause and the effect, that's where they're simultaneous. It's all in my mind. So the thought of a cause, the effect goes along with it because the ideas leave out their source. The ideas in my mind, that's what's generating it. That's where it's coming from. Then the effect is there as well. There's nothing in the world. It's not like having the thought produces something in the world and then the cause and the effect. I guess the question that I am at then is how does knowing this help us out? I guess what I would ask is do you it? Is it even a valid question to ask do you experience it differently? Because then I'm assuming that you're a person. You don't have to assume that I'm a person. Just think that there's a symbol. Whoever I'm speaking to now, do you experience it differently? It's not even whoever. It's with the clarity of mind, with the right mind. How is that perceived? That's a question. That's still, I want to know... You want the experience. I want the experience and I want to know if that's possible. Meaningful. This is what you will experience. Written down doesn't help me out because that's still... I take that and say that's a possibility but if I don't know how to get there then it doesn't help me. How is this helpful to us? How is it helpful is it's a goal as peace of mind or the peace of God which we stated and you can formulate it in different ways than the mission statement and so on and so forth, joy or however you want to look at it, freedom, whatever. Then this is the most practical thing. See the recognition, the realization that caused an effect or not apart is imminently practical in the sense that that is the state of peace, that is the state of restfulness, that is the state of contentedness, that is the state of joy. It's the state of pulling it all back to the mind too and not seeing that cause and effect out here in the world as something separate. The whole purpose of time is to see that there is no linear time. It can seem like, oh, it's a mind bender kind of in a statement, but while that statement we just read, don't project it to time, time is as neutral as the body is except in terms of what you see it for. What is the purpose that I have for time? What am I using it for? David then gave two examples. The second example was that of advising someone who had great resistance to the idea of drawing unemployment to apply for benefits. He did so as advised. However, when found ineligible for benefits, he thought having done so was a waste of time. But it's all about the healing of your own mind. I could tell that there was resistance that you were having. Going and having the Holy Encounter with a woman with a German accent was that a waste of time? Was getting in touch with the resistance, the feelings that you were having about being in that office when that was coming up? Nothing is a waste of time. No perceptual image, no event or circumstance is a waste of time if you use it to get in touch with what you believe and how you perceive the world. Anything in that sense can be used for your healing to start to see that cause and effects are not a part. You can see that those are like specific examples of just getting back, back, back and starting to move into the experience of I don't know what anything is for. Where you're not trying to think that I know that this is the way things happen in the world. So if I do this, then this will happen. If I do that, then this will happen. That takes a lot of effort and strain to hold on to that kind of a conception of the world. So to answer your question, what's practical about this? Joy, peace, happiness, rest. That's the state of mind that comes from the recognition that cause and effect are not a part. That's the experience that you want. And when we go into these metaphysics it's just to seem to bring the mind to that experience of that. It's not to get into a bunch of deep philosophical metaphysical stuff so you can go pontificate and go around the country and come across philosophers and professors and prove how deep you can go or how fancy the words can sound and all this and that. No, this is eminently practical because this is about coming to the awareness of peace of mind. Another way of looking at it is if you start to really come to the awareness that the script is written and that there is no cause and effect in the world, well, that takes all the struggle out of life. You see? What would you be striving for? What would you be striving to attain in the future if you can really come to see that cause and effect are not separate? What a joy! And there are no results in the future. Yeah. Future results, future outcomes. You know, I've been saying over and over that to me I have this feeling in this experience that everything is complete now. Messengers of peace are no messengers of peace. Non-profit status are no non-profit status. Tapes, journals, teaching learning sessions, traveling of the country, coming together with people or no coming together with people, no journal, no teaching learning sessions, this and that. It's all the same from this perspective, from this state of mind. There's nothing that has to evolve or unfold. Yes, those metaphors will still be helpful at times. But more and more what I want you to do is look at to go beyond the metaphors. I want you to leap into that experience. That's what you really want. You want the experience. You don't want the words. You want to go beyond the words. Do not project this fear to time where time is not the enemy that you perceive. Time is as neutral as the body is except in terms of what you see it for. What is my purpose for time? If you would keep a little space between you and your brother still, you then would want a little time in which forgiveness is withheld a little while. And this but makes the interval between the time in which forgiveness is withheld from you and given seem dangerous with terror justified. Yet space between you and your brother is apparent only in the present, now, and cannot be perceived in future time. No more can it be overlooked except within the present. Future loss is not your fear, but present joining is your dread. Well, that's a good sense. Future loss is not your fear because it sure doesn't seem that way. Oh, yeah. If the mind believes in linear time, future loss seems to be big time. Primary source of fear. Yeah. But present joining is your dread. So, you know, that's that experience of a lot of times people feel