 This is the very exciting in person and zoom develop review board for Burlington for July 6. And we are at the public works and permitting inspections facility on pine street. And we're also and by zone so we'll see how this goes it hasn't done before. So, um, for those on zoom, we will, we'll, for everybody actually we take up the items that they are on in the agenda. And when we call each item will ask the applicant if they're alive to come up to the table. And if they're by zoom, Mary will admit them as a participant. We can ask everybody who live in on zoom to give Mary actual mailing addresses so that we can follow up and you can get party status for these different items. That's going to get out communications. There's no other communications, just what was posted online project. Okay. Minutes. We're catching up but if board members. The others can look at them make any comments. Let me know. Get them back to alley in this lifetime. Okay. Then the next item on the agenda is consent agenda. This is 15 Rockland Street James bagel is James they go here. On zoom. Okay, so do you want to admit him Mary. Okay. You are now. Hello, trace. Nice to meet you. You as well. Welcome to the board. I said appreciate it. Okay, we're just getting started in the first item of consent and Jim bagel, the right pronunciation. Yes, that's correct. Okay. So you're on the consent agenda, which means staff has recommended approval. Have you seen the staff's recommendations. I don't believe I have I'm just I'm looking for a one year extension because of late shortages. So I'm that's pretty old. So you have no objection to cheating treating this as a consent agenda item. No, I didn't think that sort of it. Unsensible question is both. Anyways, anybody on the board object to treating this as a consent item. I see no one. So does somebody want to make a motion for 15 Rockland Street. Okay, Keenan. So on ZP 20 dash 72 15 Rockland Street. I recommend that we approve the application and adopt staff findings. Second, eight seconds and discussion. All in favor. Okay. Jim, that is approved. Thank you very much. Well, six because Jeff isn't here. Right. Or five six. No, no. You're there and you're here. Every word. Okay. So next item on consent is 1222 North Street. Breakers solar properties. The applicant here for that. Yes. I'm here on the zoom. Okay. Casey. Hello, Casey. Hello. Whoever wants to say this. So this is also recommended for. Consent approval. And have you seen the staff's recommendation? Yeah. And your name is Matthew. And you are objective of conditions. Okay. Is anybody on the board objective treating this as consent? I don't. Not seeing anybody doing that. And anybody from the public objective. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So this is also recommended for consent approval. And have you seen the staff's recommendations on that? Yeah. And your name is. Okay. Okay. No. Okay. Okay. Does somebody want to make a motion on 1222 North Street? Yeah. I can hear it again. Making a motion. On. On 421 1222 North street. I mean that we. The application and. A review? Second. Brooks seconds. Okay. All in favor. All in favor. Okay opposed not 12345 because actually Caitlin and I both not here twice. So. Okay, so you're approved for that application. I just would note that, you know, we review for zoning, not the building code. So that's another step. It's a good process for you. Okay. So then we have the public hearing is next and its item is 41 pine place in Toronto. Come up here. Okay. And is there anybody from the public who wishes to speak on 41 pine place. Okay, good. So, Alex and Casey, I need you raise your right hand, Sam. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry, I'm tired to get used to actual real person here. Okay, Sam and Alex, do you both swear to tell the truth and hold to the pain of cursory. I do. Okay, so this is sort of a reopening of the continuing of the hearing from when it was a while back. It focuses on the parking, I believe. So, yeah, so the update that I had left off last time. There's a parking lot from my house and everyone seems to the things that I was fine with wise for the parking that I was asking for. So that's the question about the gap. And I find a stake in my backyard and look at your whole property document here. When we all looked at before it was on zoom. So it's kind of zoomed in. That's the blueprint, right. That's that word. Yeah. And originally, let me look at zoom last time is kind of zoomed in. So I think people, including myself, were a little mistaken that the second line that has the property offsets and Mary. Can you put that on. So, I don't know if this application he has he has the original site plan. I'll just go up to the picture. That's what I'm referring to, but then I have the actual site plan. I can show everyone. I think what was noted in the staff report was that you actually found a pin or something. Yeah, so I found that's okay. Well, it'd be nice to have it up here so that you can have it up here. The packet is going to be the 3-1 type of original site plan, but that one is the actual full site plan. But it's the same thing. I came to this office to get it. Yeah, yeah, so I can, I can show you guys that we can the rest of the board can't So before we looked at it, it was a zoomed in to me. We saw this opposite line here. I think that's what people thought was the property line. Yeah, but this is actually the property line up here. So I found this state. I measured. The house is 48 feet. The line is 100 feet, so it could be 24. Yeah, it's actually going away from the building. Is the rest of the board hearing what the applicant is saying? Barely. Yeah, it's a challenge. Because this is, I think this with all the dimensions on it isn't clearly on the, isn't pretty posted. He's looking at the site plan. Okay, we're going to scan. Okay, Mary's got it up now. And Yeah, that's one. Right. So what we found out was that you found a pin out here. And then, and so then you had 100 feet and you realized you had 24 feet. Yeah, so it's, it's 24 feet from that property line, the front of the house. Yeah. And the parking area question. You're here. And so that's four spaces. One, two, three, four, right. Right. So last time we talked about this, this spot here. I'm just, I'm a satellite view. So the, this is the original site plan with direct guidelines. And currently, there's a gravel parking lot that goes, this is, this is accurate. But there's gravel parking lot that kind of goes up to here, and then loops around the time place which bends away. Yeah. And I got a 15 year extension or approval. I got it basically to leave the gravel off the way it was. Yeah. So we talked about, there was enough space, theoretically, to put that as a parking space there. Okay, that's I'm going to ask. Well, let me, why don't you finish what you have to say then, then we'll ask. And then once that is you then go back. So your, yeah, why don't you have a CDL. So, your approach here is that you want to say that you have five parking spaces. Right. Yes. And two garages to in front of the garage is the fifth one in this space. So, is this, I forget. Is this yours, Mary? This is Scott's Scott's. Okay, so the question is on the being able to, you know, I think the staff report says that that fifth space is, I don't know if the right term is grandfathered but it's, it's a non enforceable violations. It's just termination that there was a space there, however it was undersized. And since it is an enforceable violation that cannot be used towards any parking requirement, even though it's parking space. Sorry to interrupt, but I thought it was undersized because we didn't have last time we met we didn't have proof that if the space was even up. So even the four parking spaces for your question last time, but now that I have 24 feet 24 feet and then it actually gets wider on that side. There is an unenforceable violation. The city recognizes that it's been there long enough that it can't be used as part of a parking requirement. That's one of the things gives me a bit of a break. How, how is that. You cannot use it to your advantage. But then he would be required under what's in the staff report to essentially a seven spaces balance. But then there's one that can't count towards it, so there would have to be seven. But we were we were under the impression that there was only five spaces needed. That was something that in the staff report, I think they disagreed with in terms of, I think the staff report express that you double counting. The single family home still requires two parking spaces to the bed and breakfast. This is there's only a three bedroom house that's being, you know, utilize the fact that it's being classified as a boarding house isn't quite. It's just isn't quite accurate it's just a single person renting out. But what's happening here is there's two three bedroom view. I've lived in one for about 10 years and I bought the house the year and a half ago. And the same room it's transferred over and still live with me. That's one of my primary residence. And then the other unit is free bedroom preferment alone. I don't quite understand why for the one bedroom of the single primary residence why I need to have two parking spots for my own bedroom and then to more the other two rooms. I thought back up for a second I thought the thing was that the other unit was going to be a three bedroom. It's a three bedroom short term rental. Actually, we haven't shown us two bedroom boarding house within a duplex and then a three bedroom short term rental. So, this is where Scott, I have been disagreeing because I brought hope for the zoning application solely for the short term rental with three bedroom. In the other year, in the other unit. So that my use of unit a was a boarding house but I don't understand that because just myself and two friends actually wants to leave himself and one friend looking to the other side. And it's not short term. And it's not it's full time. And the last time that we were here I think five. We lost you there. Saying something. Okay, hey Brad. Could I ask who's speaking just to tell me their names it's hard to follow along when I'm hearing multiple voices. So, Sam was speaking just now. And then, Alec. Yes. You were just adding something. Yes, just that's the at the last hearing. We had discussed five spaces as what was required of the parking spaces that was in question. I think you're breaking up Alec. I'm going to ask Sam one more time to go through. I understand what you're saying Sam that basically the two three bedroom units one of them is basically you're living there with two. And the other one is you're setting it up as a three bedroom short term rental. That's rented all together. Yes, it'll never be rented. He's male. It's rented as a unit. So it's a family can visit their son or daughter at UVM or actual red party or whatever a couple from something from our show. Two days a week long. Usually one or two cars stops. Or two people. So, and this question. A three bedroom. Unit. This is that would count as a single family. Well, I am not the project manager, but I understood that the project. Identify their previews here. A single family home. The boarding house. Of course, we don't have short term rental as an identified use. The boarding house and then breakfast require on our occupancy, which is evident on site. So it's counting towards both of the other uses. The own occupancy is required for the end of breakfast use. But in that interpretation, wouldn't any apartment in the city become a boarding house? If it had more than one bedroom. In this case, as a duplex, the owner could live in one unit. What I'm saying is that if you're not renting out bedrooms, one at a time on short term isn't just an apartment. And not for a house and not a boarding house. Bring up the definition for boarding house. Keenan, did you have a question. Yeah, I just I was hoping that to get some, it sounds like this in right key and conditional abuse approval cases poses at least some problem for the applicant. I didn't have any additional thoughts on the case or if they had found any other authority that they wanted to bring to the board's attention. And that was for what I missed the beginning. The in right. It's the case that was cited by staff in the staff report. Keenan, you're asking the app, whether the applicant has comments on that. Yeah, because I mean, whether it's a boarding house or not, it seems like we're kind of stuck with the issue that the case very clearly states that. We can't count that fits parking space if it's in the legal parking space, even though it's not enforceable. I don't know how we get around that less you have another case for a case that distinguishes this case so that you might alert us to. Right. Yeah, because whether it's five or six. I mean, the fifth space, they say we need five. The fifth space is subject to the Keenan issue that you're raising. Right. Space is subject to the Keenan issue. The fifth space there's room for. Is there room out Alec is there room within the standards of a parking space that seems to be the issue. There's there's room for five. Yes, it's the it's and we're our position. If you're breaking up a lot we only hear about half of what you're saying. We can get in another way. So, can I make it Alec while you're trying to get in I don't know if you can hear me but. And maybe the comment in your staff report though is that they haven't requested a parking waiver. If they submitted a parking management plan with waivers from parking requirements. We wouldn't be having this discussion am I right about that. Well, we could grant up to have this discussion. I think the project manager has indicated that there was no submission of a transportation demand management plan or request for parking waiver. So, I talked to. This is a Sam speaking. Sorry, Sam. I thought Scott, the week ago right before he submitted. The document was meeting, and he brought up the parking waiver, but it was sort of brought up and put in front of me as if I needed to get it to him like immediately. I can fully understand what the implications of that word. It's kind of like, you can, you could submit a parking waiver, but I didn't really understand exactly what he meant, and what problem that was solved. There's a real disagreement about a lot of different things. If, if you are sitting waiting that I could do a parking waiver to request approval for that spot and that takes care of the thing. I would like to do that. I was very confused about time to fully read into this. It seems like every step of the way that I get a little bit closer and you think comes up and your approach has to be taken. I get that. But when I read the staff report, my question is, and then I read the zoning ordinance. It would seem to give us some level of flexibility to get through this problem. But we don't have that request in front of us. So unless you ask to continue to submit that request, we'd have to act on what we have. I'd like to go back to your question as to what the definition is, what the difference is between an apartment and a boarding house. I'd like to read the definition. A boarding house, a building or premises where rooms are led to individuals for compensation for a period of time greater than 30 days, where meals may be regularly served in a common dining area. Hotels, motels, apartment houses, bed and breakfast, dormitories, sorority fraternities and historians shall not be considered boarding houses. So an apartment. So, and then apartment houses shall not be considered boarding. And what's an apartment. The definition for that in the single dwelling located in the building containing more than two dwelling units. The single dwelling unit located in the building. Since we're just reading definitions, can we get the single family. I think it's probably going to be a drawing. One of the differences is a single structure containing two separate dwelling units, regardless of the type of construction for purposes of this ordinance a single family detached structure with an accessory apartment shall not be considered to be. Yes. One of the differences that we're seeing here one is the number of parking and I think AJ's suggestions that, you know, with a parking manager plan we could ran up to 50% waiver of the required parking spaces. One could debate but if we're saying six is required then three would be acceptable. You know, you've got no question you've got four. You've got a tandem which does require some ballet service on your part. Now that's three quite enough to do tandem for a short term rental that's that's definitely going to be part of the parking manager and something like that. I'm still have a little bit of trouble understanding why the why it's single family boarding house and. So, then a better breakfast and why it's not just two things when I could I guess get into a long discussion on that but I can ask if you wanted to. Well, I'd like to back up one question one clarify one thing that Alec was talking about is. Does that fifth space actually meet all the require all the setback requirements for parking space do we know that. I believe so. The dimensions are bigger than the nine by 18 or whatever exactly. It's more than five feet on the property line. Yeah, and it's been there since they built and I'm wanting to use that parking space is not running at the front yard parking issue. The parking space was established. There were no requirements when it was installed. I mean there were there was a requirement to get a permit but no permit was issued. So the determination was that the parking spaces have been there long enough. However, again, something that's right, but if we find out that actually is meets the zoning setbacks, it could be part of this request for approval that it could be approved parking space. It's on the document. Bring that back up for me. Can I have you speak up a little bit I can't hear you. If we needed to, we could just go to Google maps and look at the satellite view and you'll see how much space there is. Right there. Yes. Yeah. Right. Driveways are limited to 18 feet in width. That's driving on parking parking, which is not allowed the only footway driveway. And that's, and it's, yes, that gets into the nature of my place. So, I don't know if you guys remember, but I early on Scott suggested I got a parking easement for this. Yeah, and I talked to as many people as I could as to be as did Alec. Nobody really knows who owns that little triangle. And my property line that's gravel and find place. So we assumed it was public land so I talked to every other property owner on time place and got to find at David and they signed a parking easement, and it was all the rise and everyone find with me. And I got a parking as parking, which was kind of suggestion from stopping and I ran by Alec, ran our plan by Scott, thank you to the plan, and we're still here. And friend yard parking off of pistol County of private street. Parking is still relevant on the private street. Find places. Yeah, yeah, that friendship differentiation between the two. And I did discuss. This is Ryan speaking it is Scott's project and I read the step forward a week ago just kind of curiosity I might take was that that fifth parking space was there for 15 years so you get the vacuum allow it but it's not enforced against but as far as taking that space and putting it toward the required parking spaces and using it as a credit that was for the hangovers. Right because it's unpermitted. It's there. But you can't use that to increase use or get approval and count that as an electrical space or legal space. But if we're only if the waiver is down to four spaces which is less than the 50, which is within the 50%, then the fifth base becomes irrelevant to our consideration right. Yes. Okay. I think ages coming up with a simplistic way of looking at this. Rather than resolve the issue of boarding house apartment, been breakfast, all this stuff, six spaces versus five spaces that space, if you requested a two space parking waiver. And for that you need to show some management of the parking and why, you know, a lot of times it's due to location was living there like that the fact that you rent the three bedrooms only as one unit makes a difference. So then if you can present that to us as a request, we can then act on that as a waiver and that may be the simplest way to do this. Okay. Yeah, I like that solution that takes out arguing about the actual use. I'm sort of curious about the philosophical implications, but maybe that's for another time. Does anybody on the board have any other comments questions. We need a motion to continue the public hearing. I think that's been done in the past. Yeah, I think we do. I think we need a motion. Can we do this to a date certain. Yeah. I'll make a motion to continue the public hearing to allow the applicant to submit a parking management plan and parking waiver. And I move I'm trying to find our schedule. Sorry about that. That we continue it to a date certain. So that would be the first meeting in August. Would that be enough time. August 3rd. I work for you, Sam. That's a Tuesday. Yes, it was the at five. That works. Okay. Second on that. Okay. He didn't seconding and discussion. Okay, all in favor. Opposed. Brooks, you're opposed. You're silent. I can't tell if you're opposed or not. I think there is a delay. Oh, okay. I'm not opposed. Okay, thank you. For 100%. Okay. Okay, so. It's been an interesting fact. We're going to close public hearing. You're invited back for August 3rd. And I'm sure that Scott or somebody else on the board would be happy to help you. With information about the parking, parking waiver. Okay. Okay. Okay. Ken. Just for the record, that plan, you should, we don't have a copy of that plan that he showed. I did scan the blue one. Yeah. Okay. So. Okay, so we can. Okay. Great. Thank you. So now we have. 501. Pine Street for my guest systems. Okay. And this is for a. Food truck stop. Right. It's not. I just want to make sure I get everybody who's participating. Are you the only one here for the application? Are we? Yes. Okay. And is there anybody in the public here? Mary. For 501. I don't identify. So if you are here for 501 pine street, you can raise your hand please. Okay. And your name is virtue. Okay. And are you with for my gas or. I'm trying to acquire the land. Okay. Can you raise your right hand? Okay. Okay. I'm going to tell the truth. Okay. Okay. Looking for a check. Thank you. And I think it's. It's recommended for approval. And I think there's probably a few questions on it. You have anything you want to present on it to start. I'm fine with the proposal that. Set out. Okay. I think there's some questions that were. Not answered in the original application. I don't know if you're waiting for like the lighting. There's erosion control. Some of those. You know, setting up trash and all that. There's more information. You're going to have to get out to the plan. Sure. And I can. I can update that. Okay. I'm thinking in a major. Can you have questions? Yeah, this may be a question for staff or. Potentially applicant. I didn't see a. I know that there's no parking required in this area, but I didn't see any sort of like parking mattress plan or traffic study for country. I don't know if that's something that was considered at all, just because that is a very busy corridor. And I do like the pull out, but I don't know if that's going to be sufficient to alleviate. Traffic on Prince Street. Right. Yeah. It's Ryan here speaking. And. Yeah, it's, it's in the parking district that doesn't have a parking requirement. And it's not a big enough of a new development to trigger any sort of new traffic study. It is a new term. Yeah. The transportation, the TDM. That's required. It's not large enough of a project to trigger that. So no, he's not required to submit those. Hey, Jerry, did you have a question? Yeah, I just a couple. You know, I know there's a fair amount of. There's been some back and forth before about some businesses on Pine Street and some neighbors regarding. Amplified music. And this application doesn't include any requests for outdoor amplified music. And I want to just be clear with the applicant. That's not. Part of their proposal now. This is not going to be a venue for. Concerts. And then my follow up question of that is. What are the hours of operation? Well, the hours. Proposing 11 to nine. Hey, Kurt Brooks here. Can you. Sure. You speak up just a little bit. I'm having a hard time hearing you. The time. Is. Proposed operational time is 11 a.m. to around, I think I put nine. Yeah. 10 PM. Yeah. And I am 10 PM at night. And as far as music is concerned, I didn't really think of it as a place to play music other than background music. But that's not in the proposal. I could revise that. But no plans of having concerts or live music. I'm a little curious about the size. Only because I think. You're playing on it. I couldn't tell it looked like you're planning on several trucks. Yeah. And you can just think of trucks, taking at the same time. Because I, yes. Trucks or container kitchen or just. Parts. And all that happens with it. When print. Now you have a concrete. Of course. First don't pad. So there's two pads for in the proposal right now. That would accommodate. Either a. one of those. And there it is. So I was thinking maybe one food truck and a couple of parts, food carts like hot dog cart or something a little bit more than that on the other pad, but build it to suit another food truck. Is the idea you wanted to, I mean, there hasn't been that food truck venue down on Pine Street since what was behind Arts Riot a few years ago. Is that your inspiration? Kind of and have it more permanent than a Friday night venue. Yeah, be here full time. Yeah, it's a neat project. Thanks. And basically the whole ground service is gravel or concrete. It's based right now on Earth and my proposal would be to use crushed stone or gravel for the driveway in the pads. And for the underneath the pergola, there's a sitting area and the rest would be grass. Crushed stone or gravel under the heating area as well. Yes. There's grass. All the plain area. Oh, okay. It's not a good picture for that. I think if you've moved along, there might be some photographs of grass. So this is, the engineer threw this up. I would propose it differently. I could have changed it, but where it's gray, I would have as grass and where it's green or brown, dark gray would be more gravel. Crushed stone. And that might be concrete curves or grass. Yes. Curves. I mean, gravel just tends to get pretty messy without the paint. Sure. Oh, I was thinking of coverage and drainage. And there's no signage. That would be a separate permit. I think there's no signage. I'm proposing very limited signage, maybe a board. You have to go back for a separate permit for that. Any other questions from the board or the applicant? Here's a choice. I'd go for the gravel. I'm going to concrete on it because I think it's pretty easy to maintain. I understand that there's cost-efficient lighting. And lighting is going to be, there's, I put a little bit of an entry on lighting. I was just playing around, having hanging lights that might lead to the truck and then some walkway lighting. I did it the last minute. I didn't really think about that. I submitted something very superficial, nothing detailed. But yeah, that would be one of the conditions. Lighting that needs to be standard. And the pergola is part of the application, right? Yes. And it's in another drawing. I see that in one of the drawings here. Is that, once I construct that, I was thinking of just wood, like a natural wood with pressure treated or some other, combing up pressure treated, but like a red wood. Very nice. Yeah, probably. Sustainably harvested, right? I'm sure. But okay. It looks like a very interesting project. As you say, you have to acquire the land from my gas. Correct. Part of the things you might see was getting affirmative approval and not some paid environmental approval from the guests, which are all happening right now. Sorry, I was testing. I was testing. What was here previously? What's on this site now? Is that the bus yard? It's just there. There's nothing there now. What was it before? It was a whole gasification plant. That whole area was... So that's the area where my understanding is there's a certain soil portion that's definitely maintained. That's how you can get away with doing this without any real construction. Correct. So probably the, my guess is the challenge is going to be the application for the pergola. Yeah. Well, it's approved for five feet right now. And would you see who will allow five feet down? Were you inspired by taking care of the land? Actually, this happened when I started this project a couple years ago and just got motivated last summer when I read an article about from acquiring a small little lot in downtown Baton Rouge and basically did this exact same thing. So that helped close the deal. I know. I just think it's a great project. We'll meet a community need, I think, it's close to the park so it gets down and get hot dog or hamburger or whatever. Any other questions from the board? Okay. We'll close public hearing that. And we will have an executive session. We're going to go into here. After that, we will probably deliver it to Mike, but you can listen on that, but you can't. No, thank you. Thank you for having me. Okay. Thank you. If the board would like to do their delivery first, well, there are people who they want to be able to do that. Okay. We only have one item to deliver it on. Just this one. Just this one. That makes sense. Yeah, might as well do this. It's a neat little project. It is. I kept wondering when they started cleaning those trees, what was going to happen there? It looks so enticing. I mean, other than the things that he has to submit in addition to staff, which is the Rosicrow lighting and trash. Anybody have any thoughts or comments they might make? Yeah, Brad, I mean, I think it makes sense. I just would add the two conditions, the hours of operation and the no concerts or, you know, live music. Live music. Right. No, live music. Yes. I mean, I think that changes dramatically. I mean, the question is, you know, I don't know if we have anything we want to say about even, you know, if you have sound typed in or recorded music, some people complain that pretty loud, too. Yes. It's, you know, it's obviously tough to manage to some extent, but. It is sort of the industrial arts district, isn't it? Right industrial. Yeah. So, okay. Do you want to make a motion, H.A.? Sure. And I lost a number. Anyone have that? ZP 21446. I got it now. In ZP 21446 501 Pine Street, I move that we approve the project, adopt staff's findings and recommendations and add two conditions. One, adopting as a condition, the applicant's proposed hours of operation, 11 a.m. to 10 p.m. and two, we adopt a condition that states there shall be no live or otherwise, there shall be no live music concerts or amplified music. There's a second on that. There's a reason there's no second. Probably, from my perspective, amplified. Yeah, amplified stuff. So no live music or concerts. There it is. Amendment recommendation. Second. Okay. Any further discussion? Okay. All in favor? Opposed. It's unanimous. Okay. So that is what we're not, we're going to go into our executive session. I was somebody, Kim or somebody going to be. Hey, Brett. Yeah. I have two things. One, I have to recuse myself from the executive session. Okay. And number two, are we doing, when do we do our annual meeting? Yeah, when is that? Do you have that, Ali? Do you want to start campaigning early, patient? Definitely not. I don't. I just was curious. I thought normally it was now, but I guess not. I was thinking the same thing, but I think because we're awaiting this, we have a DRB alternate that was going to be named, that it was postponed to the second meeting in July, which was the 20th. Okay. 20th of July. Okay. Sounds good. Okay. You're recused from the executive session. And I think, can I see that? So we're not going into executive session now. So we need to make the motions first. Okay. Okay. So before you get rid of a second. I can make the motion. Okay. Well, so there's two steps. So the first one is you got to find that there's premature general knowledge, public knowledge. So the first motion would be something like this. I moved to find that premature general public knowledge of a discussion of pending litigation and attorney client communications regarding a lawsuit filed by 100 Bank Street against the city in relation to 75 Cherry Street, including members of this board and city employees would clearly place the city at a substantial disadvantage because at risk disclosing its legal strategy if discussed in public. So moved. All right. So that's number one. Motion number two, based upon. We're going to vote on that one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sorry about that. Okay. So Tina made that motion a second by Caitlin. All in favor. Brooks, are you on time to lay again? No, I'm, I got to lift my arm higher. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. What's the second? So that's a motion to go into the next session for all those reasons. Right. So the second after you find the, you have to find the finding of why to go in that the this, this substantial disadvantage, the second motion is to actually go into it. So based upon finding of substantial disadvantage, I move that we enter into executive session to discuss pending litigation and receive attorney client communications regarding 100 Bank Street's lawsuit against the city in relation to 75 Cherry Street, including members of this board and city employees. I request the presence of assistant city attorney Kim Sturvent and outside counsel city for the outside counsel for the city attorney Jennifer McDonald, as well as other name defendants, including Brad, Biggie, Kim, Ayanele and Harris Springer. And Mary, you're not named, but I think as part of it, you could be also involved during the executive session. Well, nobody would know Mary's even here. Yes, she is. Okay. So we have that second motion. I'll make that motion. Fall in favor. Opposed. I don't have in front of the exact, so we're in executive session. Okay. So the reporting needs to go off. We real quick. I need to switch devices. This one's going to die. So is it all right if I call in real quick? I'll admit you. Yeah. Yes. All right. Give me one second.