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The Beast of Revelation (18 of 25) Late Date vs. Early Date?

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Published on Jun 4, 2008

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Question:- If John's Book of Revelation was written after the fall of Jerusalem, your entire argument seems to me to fall to pieces. What do you do with the famous passage by Irenaeus, the great Church father who was alive when some of John's disciples were alive, who dates John's exile to the isle of Patmos during the reign of Domitian, over 20 years after the fall of Jerusalem.

Irenaeus' statement is: "We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign." Irenaeus was writing about A.D. 180.

(1) The "was not seen" is grammatically ambiguous: it could mean either: John was seen alive at that time, or: John saw the Revelation at that time. The context suggest John was seen. After all, what difference would it make when Revelation was received by John? The point is: John was alive and people could have asked him about the identity of the Antichrist. John could have distinctly revealed the identity in question in Revelation itself - regardless of when it was written.

(2) Elsewhere Irenaeus deals with the problem that some mss have "666" and others "616": "Now since this is so, and since this number is found in all the good and ancient copies." How could he call copies of Revelation "ancient" if the original was written "almost in our day"?

(3) Irenaeus claims on the same sort of evidence (references by those who knew John" that Jesus ministered for fifteen years until after the age of 50: "the age of 30 years is the first of a young man's mind, and that it reaches even to the fortieth year, everyone will allow: but after the fortieth and fiftieth year, it begins to verge towards elder age: which our Lord was of when He taught, as the Gospel and all the Elders witness." So even if we interpret Irenaeus to mean John wrote Revelation toward the end of Domitian's reign, the fact it Irenaeus made mistakes.

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