 behind the others where it comes to when it comes to compare to the antivirus where is how to geek saying that in a an article from June 10 2016 that I found by using the Google speaking okay put your question to the world I'm sorry so I'll need sharing or control sharing control you may continue all right dear chatroom I have submitted this question to Mr. Merritt via the proper channels and I am thus allowed to put it to you basically I've had a couple of weird things happen in Windows 10 and I'm no I'm sure it's nothing but it got me to wonder is Windows defender in Windows 10 good enough or should I use a different antivirus and I'm not sure I'm also not sure what why some weird jazz music is playing I was just giving you a bed so your question said a different if people were listening to the full version on patreon okay I should have if I knew I would be asking I gave my answer in the pre-show that is available in the full feed but I'm curious curious what anyone else says mm-hmm I don't know a lot of people are like we're live we are damn it do I have to ask it's a third time that's too much work yeah that's a lot of work all right let me ask it a third time I'm you know what I'm gonna asking in writing you know what they say where I'm from the sky is always lure on the other side of the horizon yep and third time is charming oh that's lovely okay people are being very helpful but no windows no thank you oh yeah okay so that it was just a little bit of lag Ian doesn't use antivirus beatmaster attempted to make the macOS is your best antivirus joke Zoe brings bacon I don't think I'm here and whistle o34 no windows no thank you wow well we have windows users of the audience that are representing themselves oh Chad B says a vast that's pretty good that's not that's not the question my question is is windows defender good enough good enough you know what do I have to is it like oh no it's riddled it's horrible says windows defender is fine when your network is secure enough today okay so my answer which is like there are other things you need that are more important so the router or yeah make sure your routers firmware is is always up to date and your Wi-Fi is secure yeah you don't have remote desktop or something enabled says Sophos on Mac because bio cow is pointing out that Mac is not free of any viruses these days you know bio cow is correct and I use the vast on no standard or custom Chad is saying meh it can be argued that nothing is really good enough so the chat room is basically being uncharacteristic characteristically unhelpful I think they're just saying yeah defenders fine yeah I think that's the I don't use windows and you know and just don't don't download a lot of stuff for visit a lot of maybe I should maybe I should have included in the data for my question by the way I download random stuff off shady websites and run the executables that I get every time yes you make sure to make sure you go into your spam folder and click on links because I heard that that's the way to go don't do that people and whistle 103 4 is saying it's the truth that's so depressing Patrick not us it's true that is correct good point good point all right well I think we're about ready have you sufficiently mined your your answers now yeah I have to say that that truth people are talking about is not very appealing so let's never mind let's move on to alright news here we go the daily tech news show needs your help please go to daily tech news show dot com slash support and help us out we really appreciate it thank you this is the daily tech news for tuesday may 30th 2017 on time and Patrick Bezier coming to you live from Finland absolutely I am live and in Finland at the moment that is you are correct and you're in Finland well yes I am also live at least I believe so what if I know Nick Bostrom says how can you know mm-hmm so so I don't know we are definitely going to talk about Andy Rubin's return you may know him as the creator of the sidekick in which case we assume you've been asleep for about 15 years also as a creator of Android the world's I think it's fair to say the world's most popular operating system right mm-hmm yeah because the world's mobile smartphone system that has the biggest market share if yeah absolutely but I think you could make an argument that on like currently used devices and rates probably the most used I mean oh yeah absolutely that's what I mean yeah I think yeah let's not get into that yes it's it's more popular than windows is what I'm saying that's the fight I want to start co like between windows like in all machines because I think there's just more phones out there well certainly than windows windows 10 I don't know how many windows yeah it's a number of legacy windows 7 devices out there might tip the scales but anyway question if anybody has some good solid stats and links to prove them uh send it to me back at dailytechbeachow.com let's get into we're going to talk about that in our main topic let's get into some tech things you should know New York Times reports uber has fired anthony levandowski according to an email sent to employees tuesday uber was ordered by the court if you recall to turn over any documents it had regarding wemo's technology which meant levandowski either needed to drop his fifth amendment protection he's been saying I'm not even going to comment about whether I do or don't have any of those documents fifth amendment he would either have to stop that or leave uber because the court ordered uber like you have to hand over the documents if any of your employees have them that includes levandowski levandowski can keep his fifth amendment protection but he can't work for you while he does it so he's gone also the findings of eric holder's internal investigation of uber's sexual harassment issues will be presented to the uber board on wednesday and to the staff on june sixth the firing of uh levandowski doesn't look doesn't make them look innocent it doesn't prove anything well it it doesn't change anything because levandowski was pleading the fifth right and it just means levandowski is even more committed to pleading the fifth title confirmed it is looking for a new ceo after ceo jeff toig left the company in march according to billboard toig joined title in january 2016 and is the third ceo since the company launched in october 2014 so i mean that's just one a year it's not bad not so bad uh intel launched the compute card if you remember they announced this back at ces del lg and lenovo are among the folks that will be partnering on this the compute card includes a system on a chip memory storage and networking in a credit card size device it's a little thicker than your or my credit cards as far as i could tell but it's about the same same size length and height uh and the cool thing about it is you can easily swap it out so you can upgrade the internals without having to do a whole motherboard chipset replacement which is kind of interesting the wall street journal reports nintendo is having difficulty increasing production of the nintendo switch because apple can offer better terms and issue larger orders yeah i mean this is all source to say kind of stuff but it's intriguing to look into it and be like nintendo just doesn't have the ability to order in bulk the way apple does and apple's like the supply chain heavy out there that's fascinating yeah it's it's interesting that basically there isn't there really isn't enough production of these things we make as the human race to go around for everyone and we've seen this before but it's it's always interesting especially when the demand for those nintendo switches is so large that you would think you know they have to do it but no they can't well they probably went to the supplier and said okay we forecast will need this much tool up above your whatever existing orders you have and then when they go back and go we need more they're like get capacity dude you should have told us six months ago uh intel launched the core x line of processors at compute x ranging from core i five processors with four cores and four threads to a new level uh we we now don't have just core i five and core seven but we got core i nine with 18 cores 36 threads most use an updated version of the sky lake architecture called sky lake x while the four core models are using cabby lake cabby lake x architecture the chips will run on intel's new x 299 chipset and support turbo boost max 3.0 which intel claims will offer 10 faster multi-threading and 15 faster single threaded performance so core i nine with more cores um and more threads does that remind you of the increasing of uh speed and the you know all the gigahertz maybe 10 15 years ago is that right yeah is it because they're not managing to uh increase performance by their uh chip design or is it really that we need those number of cores for servers i think you could say this is increasing performance by chip design uh but by being sure to do more more threading that's why amd came out with the thread ripper you know because that's that's where you can see actual performance increases whereas just faster gigahertz doesn't bring you anything anymore there's there's other places you need to go right no of course but i mean it does feel like you know at some point we stopped chasing the gigahertz and it was different actual you know silicon design here it seems i'm sure it's way more complex than this but it seems that their option for making it more efficient is well let's put more of the same on the chip which is not i mean but think about it though that's all the that's all the gigahertz was is like let's just do faster processing now it's like let's have let's have more cores that you could until at such point that the computers can't take advantage of more cores and you can't do more threads with them at which point then they'll go on to something else yeah yeah okay uh sony has stopped shipping the playstation 3 to retailers in japan they stopped production of the 500 giga gigabytes standard model model in december so the playstation 3 is basically done in japan that's the the death knell when it's done in japan it's not going to last too much longer anywhere else um it's it's for me it's a reminder that even though you can botch a product launch it doesn't mean that your product is done for period especially if you're you know if you have the might of the company like microsoft is sitting around telling themselves the ps3 story every day do you think yeah well with the scorecule they might have sort of decided to jump one of those steps but yeah yeah i you know this would make me nervous if i was relying on playstation 3 services right now because the fact that they're no longer shipping them in in japan does not mean that yours is going to stop working but it does mean they're not growing this audience so the amount of time they want to spend supporting a legacy audience is going to decrease playstation now ps4 and pc they ain't coming to ps3 uh so or no longer so you got to wonder like okay ps plus playstation plus is not going away in the playstation 3 today but when will it yeah no that's for sure but you have to also remember that they might not really be um interesting in certain markets anymore the playstation 3 but they keep selling those maybe two markets that aren't jumping on the more expensive ps4 is immediately so it might have a few extra years you know in other markets so they might need to support it yeah for longer and to be honest i'm sure some people are still using playstation 3's but the playstation 4 has been selling so well i'm willing you know we're at what 50 million units in the world now i'm betting that there aren't a lot of people that still rely on their playstation 3 some of them of course not saying it's no one but i'm also guessing maybe this christmas is going to be the time that those those people also jump to the next agenda switch no just possible uh hey last week we had a u.s supreme court decision that was eight to nothing uh unusual a unanimity in these in in these trying times and by the way it's eight there are nine people in the supreme court but justice gorsuch was uh was was nominated and approved after the hearings of these that's why he's not weighing in on them u.s supreme court just ruled another eight oh case i mean look look to the look to the supreme court of the united states for for agreement for maybe showing the way yeah for the rest of probably overdoing that because these cases it was a patent law case this week and this is a case that i think all of us of all political stripes can agree on printer cartridges uh the court ruled eight to nothing the companies cannot claim patent violations after the first sale lexmark had sued to stop refurbished versions of its printer cartridges from being refilled with ink and resold by impression products ink they had argued that we have a patent on our printer cartridges if you take a printer cartridge that is empty put more ink on it and resell it you're violating our patent and the court ruled eight to nothing no your patent doesn't cover after first sale if somebody wants to refill the ink that does not violate your patent your patent ends after you sell the product and that's it uh justice ginsburg joined the majority so it was eight oh but she did write a partial dissent which you can do you can say i agree with the the the ruling but maybe the reasoning is different for me uh justice ginsburg argued that the ruling should not apply overseas which i thought was not sure why but okay she's saying once you sell overseas you should keep your patent protection after the first sale but i don't yeah i haven't yeah that's that's why i'm not you know this seems a little bit iffy for me but uh still you know that is the kind of case that i think most people would argue is common sense and it's good to see common sense win for once or twice it's not just common sense it's all it's just sense uncommon and common together um hard at last harvard's berkman client center for internet and society studied the effect of wikipedia's support of https on government censorship wikipedia added https support in 2011 and switched entirely to the https in 2015 it means that government surveillance only sees that wikipedia is being visited not which page the researchers looked at wikipedia's global server traffic and daily requests histories for 1.7 million articles to try and to detect censorship the study found that overall there was less censorship in june 2016 than there had been before the full transition to https in june 2015 and they did find censorship they did they didn't say censorship disappeared but because it was now harder to see like hey we can tell that everybody's visiting this page about a person i don't like or a political politically you know sensitive individual let's shut that down uh let's let's stop that page from being served you the you can't see that the page is being served depending on on how the https is working but but it definitely is having an effect now they also found that yes china blocks all of wikipedia and that hasn't changed and in fact thailand and usbekistan uh are still censoring large parts are all of wikipedia as well but the the argument that people i mean the thing that people were afraid of was that uh governments would censor the entirety of wikipedia since they couldn't tell which pages were being um accessed and they would think you know some government would think well in that case we're just going to block the entirety of it and it seems that on average on the whole um that's not really happening which is good yeah which is good uh invidia has announced a series of thin and light gaming notebooks called max q that's a rocketry term by the way they're trying to borrow it and sound really really cool laptops are 18 millimeters thick weigh 2.3 kilograms include an invidia desktop glass graphics card uh from the invidia 1060 on up to the 1080 so these are these are the top notch invidia cards invidia has something called whisper mode that dynamically changes frame rate to save gpu resources and cut down on fan noise because then that we run in as often max q gaming laptops would be available starting june 27th from dozens of manufacturers aser alien where asus hp lenova main gear seger bunch more uh out there this is invidia trying to say we want to show these manufacturers that this can be done you can have a light easy to port around actual portable gaming laptop i think this is really clever i mean beyond the silliness of the marketing term um max q sounds like yeah it feels like something out of the early 90s somehow i understand you know it's the max headroom that's what it's making you think yeah it defines the point at which aerodynamic stress on a rocket in atmospheric flight is maximized so yeah okay that's cool um but i think it's actually pretty clever because it does define something that there is a need for and that isn't easily identifiable because if you if you're a gamer and you want a laptop you want a gamer laptop you're probably not going to be happy with a laptop that doesn't enable you to to game if that's what you're going to shop for and there's no way of knowing or i mean yes you can look into the specifics of each laptops but it's much easier to think all right is it max q yes i'll look at this one and not the others so it sort of defines what a gamer laptop is and at the same time makes sure that these laptops include nvidia chips of course very competent laptops could run on amd gpus but they're not going to have the easy to know max q thing so i wouldn't be surprised if if amd came up with a different term like thread ripper well yeah thread but for kind of in the same yeah game ripper or whatever and by the way um amd has a whisper mode like uh technology already so it's kind of they're copying each other all the time hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes you can subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com as a podcast on your amazon echo as a flash briefing or in the app anchor which lets you even do call ins to dailytech headlines that's at anchor.fm and that's a look at our top stories all right android creator andy rubin announced the 5.7 inch essential phone that's the name of the company essential that's the name of the phone essential phone doesn't even have a logo on it uh pair of magnetic pins are on the back though that take advantage of modules you can actually order bundled in a 360 degree camera that's one of the modules there's also a phone dock that's all they're talking about so far the edge to edge screen wraps around the camera so the camera has a little divot at the top and the screen goes past it uh there is almost no bezel i know that there's a bezel fetish out there so this is the bezel list list phone you'll find comes with a qualcomm 835 processor four gigabytes of ram 128 gigabytes of storage so it's solid specs one usb c port no headphone jack but you could get a port for it i don't know it does come with a dongle that'll convert usb c to a regular mini jack in the box runs android as you might expect and has two lenses there's 13 megapixel camera lens but also a monochrome sensor for help in low light all of that wrapped up in a titanium and ceramic case and selling in the us for 699 dollars you can reserve one now but you can't actually pay for it yet it'll they'll just email you when it's time to give them the money and they don't have a time frame for that they said this summer okay yeah yeah it's a sexy looking piece of hardware but but yeah so we're and they did announce the essential home we'll get to that in a little bit because yeah that ties into more of the philosophy of essential which i want to talk about but let's start by talking about the phone what's what's almost said what's your butt which would have been hard what is your what is your reservation what are my reservations it is basically a top of the line phone it's got all the specs you want the best processor you can find excellent amounts of ram superb screen edge to edge we've already seen this kind of i mean we've seen the mi mix we've seen the galaxy s8 that has a different kind of edge to edge display but still yes the the screen that goes all the way to the top with the little dip for the camera is clever because you can have the notifications over there and but you know it's a top of the line android phone and for any company that would have been fine i think i was hoping beyond hope that andy rubin that's the thing it's andy rubin i was hoping there was a little bit more than that and there is but it's in the philosophy and the ecosystem that he wants to build and things like that but the piece of hardware itself it's it's terrible to say something like that but it's just an excellent piece of hardware yeah and there's nothing more to it i i don't think and in the wired interview he talks a lot about how apple can't make a titanium case because they couldn't make it work and essential went to a german company that was able to do injection molds for titanium parts and part of the reason that essential is able to do it is because they're not trying to do it in the massive amounts that apple would have to they only want to sell 50 million phones if they sell more than 50 million phones they've said they'll be in trouble because they they don't want to scale that fast they just want to make a really solid version of the kind of phone everybody wants so titanium and ceramic case you know a beautiful camera with low light ability all the quantum your qualcomm 835 processor 128 gigs and these are all ticking off all the boxes and and no bloatware this is stock android right uh so there's no there's no touch whiz interface there's no essential interface or pre-installed programs or anything like that no logo i mean these things all sound small but they are all informed by this philosophy of we just want to make a good phone for you that's it we have no ulterior motive we're not trying to spy on you we don't want to sell things into the phone nothing we just want to make a good phone yeah and i think that is something that is going to speak to a lot of people um i don't think did he say he wants to sell 50 million i thought he said he didn't want to sell that they basically said they do not want to sell 50 million phones this quarter because that's too many so yeah i they need to sell less than that right um you know the titanium thing i understand but again i'm sorry um it looks good it doesn't make my jaw drop so if the material was incredible and the result the design was amazing and it would be like oh my god this is the most beautiful phone i've ever seen i would understand the argument but here it's not really the case i was more impressed by the s8 and it's you know curved edge-to-edge display so that doesn't really play for me the other things you're talking about which is finally someone other than google with the nexus or pixel doing a phone which is stock android yes it doesn't have any interest in as you said selling new services and this it's fine i already have the google services i need i don't want your lg or sony or samsung overthink that i think is really interesting and it is consistent with the price of the phone which is the lower end of the premium segment yeah 699 a lot it's not cheap but for an unlocked 128 gig phone you know that's about right yeah yeah um so the people who are going to be looking for these phones these types of products are probably going to be looking for uh asking those questions you know what's the uh overlay there is no overlay or the people who are looking for cheaper phone probably don't care as much so this is well targeted and that part i can appreciate now one thing i did not see them hammer and maybe the you know you may have heard this by now but after we're recording this evening andy ruman will be giving some interviews at the code conference uh they aren't working with the carriers on this now that doesn't mean it doesn't work in the u.s it will work on all four carriers it has all the right radios for that but the verge did some some legwork and went and talked to got responses from verizon sprint and t mobile and verizon and sprint in particular were kind of begrudgingly like yeah it'll it'll work but but it's not optimized for our network so we can't guarantee it'll work all the time t mobile was a little more like yeah it's part of our bring your own device thing we'd love to see it bring it on you know we hope to be able to make sure that it works with all of our services eventually they were more positive about it but you'll notice all of them said well you know we have hd calling or we have this or that we can't guarantee it'll work with that because essential is not letting the carriers control the software and which is that i assume this means you get security patches when they come out from google exactly and uh you know we have we have a lot of most of our phones are unlocked um so looking at it from here this is kind of obvious but yes if you if that is also a problem for you guys as it was for us maybe five ten years ago well it's still a problem on samsung unlocked phones because samsung often works through the carriers for patches and things like that sure yeah no i mean we don't have that issue here or maybe for samsung and yes those phones indeed um but yeah i mean that is definitely a solid argument and his you know the philosophy is something that speaks to me a little bit more when he says you know these are your devices they are your property we're not going to decide for you what what you're going to do with you know it's a it's the kind of characteristic not just for a product but for a company that can make it what it needs to be in the beginning which is a darling of the tech community for the first you know one two three four years before it expands beyond that and before it has you know as it builds its brand identity as something that the early adopters can trust and recommend to their friends so there is a play there that i think is interesting yeah i think that's really interesting um that that plays into the other product that they announced the essential home now that one you can't even reserve yet the the details are a little murkier they say later this summer as well but we don't know how much or anything but it's a digital assisted speaker it's like an amazon echo or a google home but it's called the essential home it can be activated with a question a tap because it has a touchscreen on the top it's amazon echo dot size by the look at it but you can tap a touchscreen on top of it or apparently a glance i don't i'm very curious how that's going to work and not be accidentally activated it has that auto display that shows information and is a touchscreen processing happens almost entirely on the device and the data is stored locally not in the cloud so they're really going to push the privacy aspect of this wired says that a new operating system running on this called ambient os will be compatible with smart things home kit nest and pretty much all of the smart home platforms and wired says that includes amazon voice services siri and google assistant and i'm very curious how that's going to work in practice i don't know if that means on the device or that you'll be able to talk to your phone let's say you have google assistant on a nexus or a pixel you'll be able to talk to google assistant it will be able to do things with the essential home that's my guess it'd be really interesting if it was able to use those voice assistants on it somehow but i can never see apple allowing siri to be used on another device like that so my guess is you'll be able to tell siri to tell the essential home to do something but even that is pretty interesting and that's what andy ruben's pushing here is there are too many closed silos there's too much confusion about when i buy something will it work with the other thing and he says he wants to disrupt the market in a way that and they talk a lot in this wired interview about nobody's done this since apple in a way that says we are going to use openness we're going to use open standards to create a position in the marketplace that is unoccupied right now just want to mention that we didn't even discuss the 360 degree camera which i think is a complete gadget that you know that port thing is not oh yeah i mentioned it briefly that it's bundled in with the phone that 360 camera it's $750 if you buy the phone bundled with the 360 degree camera or it's 700 without it and you've had to pay $150 for that as an add-on yeah um but yeah so that feels very gadgety to me but um i think it's cool for the people who have used for it but um that essential home is really interesting on paper there's a lot of it will work with everything and it will you know i'm gonna wait and see on that one i'm not as certain that it's gonna work as well as it's uh being marketed but again the the philosophy of this is kind of uh it's not new but we haven't really seen any of it in recent years and it's missing i think that there is definitely a desire in part of the community of the tech community for something like this and even if it doesn't succeed entirely it might push others to maybe play a little bit nicer because there is this alternative looming on the horizon of openness and inclusiveness that might uh you know yeah as i said push them in the right direction so they're talking about openness uh they say that devices shouldn't become outdated every year they should evolve with you they they're pushing privacy we store the data locally on the device and we think it can still be good enough doing that we don't want to sell ads against your data so we don't care we don't want your data keep it local so that you're in control of it and the other thing is technology should assist you so that you can get on with enjoying your life not telling you what to do so they make a big deal in talking about essential home that it will ask you hey do you want me to do this rather than just try to anticipate your need and do things for you that you then have to go and reset yeah that's where i start becoming a little bit more skeptical um the we're not we don't need your data so we're not gonna you know we don't want to sell ads as we've seen with ai and and assistance the data is not only being used for ads it's also being used for uh things that could be useful uh to people who use assistance and i don't know you know in the case of stock android you're probably going to be using google services so yeah technically essential home is not using android it's using the ambient os right okay yes that's true but i mean again i'm gonna wait to see what happens because what do they you know they need to know where you are they need to know what your calendar is in order to provide you with any kind of relevant uh help or assistance they need i well but but those things aren't inconsistent with what they're saying they're not saying it will never connect to the internet they're just saying when we listen to you for the wake word when we keep a log of what you say and what you ask for we'll store that locally we're not going to put it in the cloud and aggregate it and anonymize it and sell it to marketers what is questionable is can your machine learning get good enough doing that now google at i o talked about a system that allows you to keep more uh more data on the device and still take advantage of massive machine learning without actually sending individualized data to it so maybe essential has a system that's similar to that apple has its own version of that where they say we don't need to know everything that you say to syria in order to improve syria my guess is we'll hear more about essentials version of that where they say yeah we can still take advantage of massive machine learning without having to take your data yeah i mean that's not exactly what they're saying if they're saying we don't need to have your data how do you put your calendar in that device well no they're not saying i think you're over interpreting something i said rather than what they're saying they're saying maybe most of the processing is done locally and your data stays on your device again they're not saying it never connects to the internet if you say i would like my count google calendar to be connected to the essential home it'll do that and and of course no but that's my calendar stored in google that's your choice not there that's my point yes it's your choice but it's kind of a misnomer to imply that we're not gonna we but there when they say you're storing your data they mean all of the data that essential home collects while it's listening to you that's the concern people have is like i don't like that amazon echo always listening to me and sending things to the cloud when who knows what they do with it same with google home no i understand that part of it but in effect in practice your data will still be somewhere and your your calendar data will be with google but it won't be with essential it'll be with google yeah okay so your data will still be that's because you decided to have your calendar with a set with google though no but the purpose of that device is that it's going to provide you with relevant information that it uses your data to compute and if unless you input everything by hand on the thing then your data is going to come from somewhere i think i think you're putting the bar pretty high here i don't think that's most people's concern is that you know if they if they kept their calendar google already then obviously that's not their concern yeah i think if your concern is that if your concern is localized to the things that your home device is going to do then i mean i don't know who would be concerned about that specifically and not about the rest of the cloud most people are concerned about echoes in homes hearing everything they say and every question they ask storing it and associating with and essential won't do that yeah i think yeah okay that that is a different i understand what you mean it's a different conversation um you know regardless this is a good philosophy to have i'm still waiting to see how it actually is implemented and if they can manage to balance that promise with the efficiency that we're expecting from those devices well one of the problems is they say we will always play well with others closed ecosystems are divisive and outdated but the general models up until now have been uh have an open platform and monetize it with ads or have a closed platform and monetize it by keeping people in the platform and selling hardware to them and essentials trying to say we're not going to do either of those things all of our services will work with other hardware you don't have to have an essential phone to use an essential home we're not going to be like apple in that way but we're also not going to monetize your data with advertising so i think there's some questions of whether they could pull that off or not i really hope they can this is to me the right way to approach a consumer friendly business model there is i think uh in a specific part of the community there is a demand for this i think a lot of people are going to look at this and think you know what finally as we discussed in the beginning um and if they can expand their ecosystem beyond just the phone and the assistant and the home assistant it's very telling that that's the two they chose to do and not you know a smartwatch or wearable or a tablet or anything like that um and if they can you know have those two work solidly and expand it a little bit as time goes on there it's not guaranteed but there is a play there yeah and it's you know they're trying to combine linux with apple they're like the the openness of linux didn't work because the products weren't pretty we're going to do craftsmanship too and see if that helps i know that's oversimplifying it but you know i will uh agree that the phone didn't really capture my imagination the home looks really pretty it's very well designed it looks uh you know like a device i could want to have in my home it's much prettier than all the other ones i've seen oh certainly than the echo dot uh which is about the same size and the google home doesn't have a smaller one but everyone says it looks like an air freshener so yeah yeah well thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com big thanks to our mods who keep that operating good it helps us 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sounds like an actor's thing bezel fetish it sounds like a uh a work like a screen name featuring bezel fetish exactly exactly i i like essentially concerned that's really good yeah i like that one too mm-hmm keep going though let's let's see what i'm hearing patent untrue mad max q and video road what is your butt thank you zoe brings bacon for making sure that got submitted what is your butt what is your butt oh that one's good madman what is your butt no mad max you beyond thread ripper brian done away knows me really well he submitted sexy but of course of course he did done away um star in the bezel fetish yeah i think essentially concerned is my favorite that's good what do you what say you patrick beija um well i like sexy but of course but yes but for titles really clever i like sexy but too but my wife would get upset if i stared at them too long uh okay let's not go there um right essentially concerned all right i want to check windows disappears essentially concerned has been chosen sounds like essentially concerned yeah i can't get into chat i don't know have you been banned were you were you making re trolling no am i missing the window how do you usually know i use colloquial you know i was just in it that's what i'm saying i was literally just in it and i can't see my chat window oh you lost your window that's why oh where is it open and trying and the case of the disappearing chat window sounds like a sounds like an encyclopedia brown yeah whatever that well you couldn't have been out here too long because the water in the hose is cold whenever someone asked me like what was the first sci-fi you read i always think of encyclopedia brown even though it's not sci-fi i really read more mystery as a kid than i did sci-fi um i didn't like mystery novels can they kind of bug me for some reason tricksy beldon i read hearty boys and encyclopedia brown and dany done because i think part of it was because some of the titles are so misty i was wanting like you know the the secret of the something ghost that's like i really want a ghost in here five minute mysteries there was another thing i can't remember what the main character was you know between the resurgence of charlotte combs series and movies and the superheroes got me thinking i think charlotte combs was the first modern superhero she really is kind of he has superpowers you know the way he reduces is superhuman and maybe i mean mass production plus he he fights really well well he only fought really well i mean you know that's i don't remember him fighting that nobody okay but i mean because the other argument is usually made is that the greek gods were actually the first super no we'll see but you see the greek gods don't make sense either so one of the tarsan no well so one of the maybe tarsan the the read what makes a superhero a superhero at least according to the encyclopedia of superheroes is that it's it's it's what they do isn't a career move it isn't something it's something they do out of a selfless act right it wasn't something we're commanded to do or something and so and you'll know that tarsan was doing it as his he's doing it for the money well so this is why the olympian gods can't be superheroes because they were more fortunate that's who they are right well yeah i i think the olympian gods are are the ancestors of superheroes i think you know it's an outgrowth of that same impulse to tell a story about larger than my figures i would i would say it's more i would say it's more like i'm sorry to interrupt that right but it's more like hercules or perseus the heroes that feature in that mythology because they go above and i was including all of them and one fell they're technically gods no yeah they eventually became a demigod well he was a demigod but then you could wind it all the way back to um uh zoos isn't a demigod he's no no no but not serious i mean hercules yeah oh okay who is the son of zoos uh hercules zoosan gilgamesh i've been probably one of the first epic epic but to get back to um to what's his sure he doesn't do it for the money i mean he's paid but yeah but he gets not white does it like he he has this he's kind of a weird uh super rich or you know his dad is super rich and he's kind of like a Bruce Wayne kind of character he has some tragedy in his past and when he shows up in a crime scene his ability to deduce is super human like it it is a superpower he looks at a thing and he's like oh this is like this and this this is because that it's like it's not just enhanced uh you know ability to deduce humanly it's the the gist but in reality power faculties exactly i can certainly spotted i could spot a spot a spot up pence from 200 leagues away exactly if he if he was addicted not to opioids but uh to pot it would be a very different private investigator you're like dude okay but what other modern era let's you know say 1500s forward uh and and Shakespeare dealt mostly with just retelling myths so i don't think when anything he says counts here um i mean you have frankenstein that's a monster robin hood um but he doesn't do anything well i guess he has a super bow well it depends like do you consider batman a superhero because batman has no abilities other than being crazy rich yeah no yeah he is a superhero um like he does things that are you know um and it's it's it's you know the robin hoods is super hero you're right i mean like you know who do you think the green arrow is based off of well i would also argue the green batman crossed over with robin hood um so you were essentially concerned right just double checking yes i think there are some well it's not superheroes it's science fiction but um you know the uh uh zoro that's another zoro but that came in like the 30s kv 87 i was thinking about jules verne which could be you know his novels could be not super sweet but it's true uh waffle opagus does does uh say that batman is the world's greatest detective yeah he is yeah detective comics so detectives were a popular profession for making superhero ish characters both uh both batman and um charlotte holmes are private detectives well i think part of it too is that you don't have literature to appeal to children it's either it's either like a kid's book of nursery rhymes right or it's an adult book that's it for the law for for quite a few centuries there you don't have stories you know superheroes arise when you start to tell stories that are a little more sophisticated well i mean but are appealing to children they i mean it's it's it's interesting i mean like because grim's fairy tales is kind of the other example yeah but it wouldn't really be hero ish since pretty much all of them find themselves in the predicament they were in out of no what about those american folktales like paul bunyan and oh you mean tall tales yeah yeah yeah but those are just men of extraordinary feats well isn't that maybe john henry's john henry probably the closest one to being a hero because he was trying to save all the other rare rare workers jaws by john henry by uh out competing the steam driller or whatever the thing it was Bruce Campbell i don't know Bruce Campbell is really not it's funny he agreed to do the evil dead tv series because he really kind of hated doing that role well at some point you need to eat i think well also i think they they said like we won't do some of these things that you didn't like about i mean like i interviewed him back in 2006 no 2005 and he was really grumpy about the fact that only the only thing he was associated with well maybe that's maybe what happened is he got associated with a few other things and then he felt more comfortable going back to that's what happened with Leonard Nimoy he hated being spock for years until he finally just embraced it well you know but it's funny because adam west was in that boat and he's finally just gave up and said all right i'm adam west the guy that used to be batman yeah well now he's like almost angry if you don't acknowledge that he was batman he could go in the opposite way all right guys i'm gonna go all right thanks everybody for watching and listening we hope you have a great time uh thanks again to scott johnson uh and uh andy beach for doing a great show on friday great episode when i was out of bacon if you like pies yeah and we will talk to us we're out of bacon you you should go out as bay bay con so we brought bacon so we're fine okay okay all right thanks