 Hi, this is Debbie Daschinger. Welcome to Dare to Dream, another episode for Curious Minds because this episode is about extraterrestrial intelligence and the UFO phenomenon that is going on. My guest is attorney Daniel Sheehan and I'll introduce him in a minute. Very excited to have him here. First, I want to say thank you to our sponsors, Dr. Dane here and Access Consciousness. If you're enjoying or interested in energy work, how to facilitate or attend the workshops, go to drdanehereheer.com or accessconsciousness.com. Check them out. And this podcast has been around for 14 years. We started on radio. It's been nominated for two People's Choice Podcast Choice Awards for a Webby Award and was just listed in Welp Magazine as one of the top 20 podcasts to listen to this year. Thank you Welp Magazine. I teach business owners, I teach coaches, speakers, and entrepreneurs the time-effective steps to write a highly engaging book. I also have a company that turns each author's book into a guaranteed fully done for you international bestseller. And I also show you how to book podcast guest spots and turn that around so you get massive results. I've got a free gift for you, tips on how to write, and also how to be booked on podcast. Check it out. My gift to you, it's debbie-inger.com slash gift, D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R dot com slash gift. So ETs. That is the conversation today. Again, my guest is attorney Danny Sheehan. He's the legal representative in the fight with the Pentagon to quicken UFO disclosure and ET contact. Daniel P. Sheehan is a 1967 Harvard College-trained American government and American foreign policy scholar. A 1970 Harvard Law School-trained constitutional trial and appellate attorney and an expert in the field of comparative social ethics and alternative human world views. Over the past 50 years as a trial attorney, public speaker, and university educator, Daniel has helped to expose injustice, protect fundamental human rights, and elucidate a compelling vision for the future for our human family. You can learn more about him at danielpsheehan.com. And with that, I welcome Daniel to the Dare to Dream show. It is so great to have you here. Thanks. Perfect. Thank you, Debbie. It's a pleasure to be here. Yeah. You are clearly an underachiever. So I have to say that when I was doing my research on you, I was blown away by what you as one human have taken on and created in your lifetime. So I want to start there and just say, what has compelled you to make this your mission and to so fearlessly stick with it? Well, the mission is sort of complex, actually, Debbie, that I had originally planned to be an astronaut. I was the number one nominee for the United States Air Force Academy for New York State back in 1963 when I graduated from high school. I went to meet with Senator Jacob Javits, who was one of the two Republican senators for the state of New York. I explained to him why I wanted to go to the Air Force Academy to become an astronaut, to get to go out into outer space and get to meet the other members of the civilization that surrounded us. And he was sort of flabbergasted as the United States Senator. And he actually said to me, you actually believe that there's other beings here in our galaxy? And I said, well, sure, you do too. You must. You're a United States Senator. You're not stupid. You know, you know that they're there. He was so taken aback that he actually confessed to me that he had already given his nomination to one of his major contributors, sons, and that he apologized and offered me the appointment to the Naval Academy. And I pointed out that I wasn't in the ships and boats. I was in the airplanes and flying into space. And he said, no, no, you can go there from the Naval Academy. But he said, you can get the congressional appointment from your local congressman if you want to go to the Air Force Academy. So I said, good, I'll take that instead. And it turns out the local, the local congressperson gave the appointment to the son of the mayor of Glenn's Falls, who was number seven, just in our congressional district competition. So I was kind of flabbergasted by this whole process. I'd spent a lot of time planning to go to the Air Force Academy. I hadn't applied to any other schools. I was just sure I was going to be able to become an astronaut. But I realized that I was going to have to become a lawyer first, because the system didn't seem to be quite, wasn't in tune. It was off. There were these kind of straight up political corruption dynamics going on. So I decided I would become a lawyer. So I ended up going to Harvard College and majoring in American foreign policy and in government studies. And then I was the Rose Scholar nominee from Harvard College, and then was drafted by my draft board and wouldn't allow me to leave the country to go get the Rose Scholarship at Oxford. So I refused to go and went on to Harvard Law School and became the co-founder of the Harvard Civil Rights Law Review and began a career as a civil rights attorney. And we initiated a case from the Harvard Civil Rights Law Review that ended up going directly to the United States Supreme Court and establishing the right of journalists to protect their confidential news sources. So that put me in very close with a lot of the major journalists and investigative reporters in the country. And I got recruited by the number one corporate law firm in the country who represented NBC, who was the client for the case. So I went there and in the context of doing the briefs in the United States Supreme Court, the case to establish the right of journalists to protect their confidential news sources, I ended up writing the friend of the court briefs for the New York Times as well. And for CBS and ABC and Washington Post. So I got to meet even more journalists. And so when the New York Times got the Pentagon Papers case, the Pentagon Papers, Jim Goodell, the general counsel of the New York Times called me to have us represent the New York Times in the major Pentagon Papers case. So I got to meet even a lot more journalists. And so that I was then I was then recruited to go to the number one criminal defense firm in the country, Attorney F. Lee Bailey in Boston. He brought me in because he had been retained by James McCord, the Watergate burglar, who was a former CIA wiretapping specialist who'd been arrested in the Watergate Hotel, along with the Cuban Americans that were in the hotel. And so I went to Lee Bailey's office and we were the firm that represented James McCord who blew the whistle on Richard Nixon in the Plumbers Unit. And so I began to get a lot of information about the covert operations, the criminal covert operations. Why were those people in the Watergate Hotel? What were they doing? Why were they wiretapping the telephones of Larry O'Brien who was the newly appointed head of the DNC, the Democratic National Committee? Why were they Cubans in the hotel? You know, why were they gunmen for the Traficante mafia in the hotel? And as I began to explore all of this information, I began to realize that our United States government wasn't just out of tune. It was playing an entirely different song than we had been taught in high school and in college and even in law school. And so I ended up going back to Harvard to do my master's work and PhD work in comparative social ethics, attempting to understand how it is that our country that was founded on such ideal principles could have strayed so far. And I came to discover that a lot of the ethos that we profess publicly to adhere to, we have never adhered to. It wasn't that I didn't know that we had massacred tens of thousands of Native Americans to take their land and resources away. It wasn't that I didn't know that we were built on slavery, human slavery. It wasn't that I didn't know those things. It's just that they hadn't quite registered because I was part of a privileged white male ruling class now with degrees from Harvard and Harvard Law School. And I had to come to discover that there's an old Irish aphorism. The Irish refer to Ireland as the old sod. That's how they refer to it. And there's an old Irish aphorism that says, ah, well, the old sod isn't what it used to be. But then it never was. And so I came to realize that I needed to do some deeper studying about our history, the moral ethics of our country, what natural law was all about. And so I went back and was doing my master's work and it just rolled over into the PhD program when I got recruited by the United States Jesuit Order. The United States Jesuit Order headquarters in Washington DC was looking for a general council. And since I already have my law degree and I was writing papers at Harvard Divinity School, one of the professors at Harvard Divinity School, Father Roger Couture, who teaches the course on the theological underpinnings of human rights, recognized me and what I was doing and writing. And he contacted the Jesuit headquarters and recommended me to be their new legal council for the brand new Jesuit headquarters in the United States. So I got recruited to go to the Jesuit headquarters. And there I was suddenly with the largest single order in the Catholic church, which is the largest single religious denomination in all of Western civilization, going back and forth to Rome and getting to meet there with the Vatican staff people and developing a planetary perspective rather than just the United States. And I was there when I was contacted when President Jimmy Carter was elected in 1976. Turns out that he immediately after being elected on November 4th of 1976, before the 20th of November, had contacted the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, who at that time was George HW Bush, who had been selected to head up the CIA by President Ford, who had replaced Richard Nixon when he was impeached, largely based on a lot of the information and evidence that evolved out of the Watergate break yet, as you recall. So I was intimately involved in that was actually approached by Chuck Morgan, who was the head of the Washington DC National Office of the ACLU to help draft the impeachment resolutions against Richard Nixon, because I happen to have known what the facts were behind the Watergate break in. And so that I ended up in Washington DC at the Jesuit National headquarters when President Carter was elected because he unseated then President Ford. And when he contacted George Herbert Walker Bush, the head of the CIA appointed by Ford to demand, he demanded information about the UFOs and about the possibility of their existing and extraterrestrial civilization, because he had seen a UFO when he was governor of Georgia. And it wasn't just a light in the sky or something that would blink weirdly or moved weirdly in the sky. He saw a full scale UFO. And so he knew that it was real. And so he wanted to find out about these. And George Bush Sr. refused to give him the information, stating that as President of the United States, he wasn't in a position to need to know that information, that this was a deep secret of the national security state. And that, you know, he was only going to be here for four years at the most eight, and was going to move on, whereas the national security state infrastructure had reason to know about this, but he wasn't going to tell the president. So President Carter contacted the House of Representatives Science and Technology Committee and had them contact the Congressional Research Service and demanded to have the Congressional Research Service conduct a secret investigation of all the information that existed inside the United States government about UFOs and the possibility that they were actually vehicles from an extraterrestrial civilization. So I was contacted by Marcia Smith, who was the head of the Science and Technology Division of the Congressional Research Service, and she asked me if I would be able to contact the Vatican to see if we could get the information from the Vatican out at the Jesuit headquarters about UFOs and potential extraterrestrial civilization. So I cleared that through my superiors at the Jesuit order, and very importantly, they agreed to have me do this. And so I reached out to the Vatican and they said no. They weren't going to give even the Jesuit headquarters in the United States this information. And so I told Marcia Smith that I apologize, but they weren't going to give it to us. And so she ended up asking me if I would go to the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, to the SETI program, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, and deliver a three-hour closed-door seminar to the top 50 scientists at SETI on the theological implications of contact with an extraterrestrial civilization. And so I did that in the context of preparing for that. I asked the Congressional Research Service to reach out and attempt to get access for me to the classified portions of the Project Blue Book. And much to her surprise and to my pleasure, I was granted that access. And so I got to actually see absolutely definite photos of UFOs, actually a crashed UFO with U.S. Air Force personnel all around it taking photographs and in camera film footage of it, etc. So I knew that this was true. So I went back and reported it to the Jesuit headquarters. And Father Bill Davis, who was my immediate superior, I was a candidate for the Jesuit priesthood by that time. And Father Bill Davis, when I reported this to him and showed him a yellow pad that I had copied symbols off this UFO onto this yellow pad that I had and gave it to him, he reached down and opened up his desk drawer and took out a Manila envelope and had me open it up. And there was a eight and a half by 11 black and white glossy photograph of a UFO in his desk, the head of the Jesuit office. And so I said, where did you get this? And he said, my sister gave it to me. And I said, wait a second, where did she get it? He said, her husband Michael gave it to her. He was the chief at the Seattle airport. He was a traffic controller at the Seattle airport. And one of his best friends who was a pilot, a commercial pilot, had taken this photograph out of the window of his airplane. And he was so frightened about turning it into anybody and letting them know that because he didn't want to lose his job, which we can talk about. But he said, I'm going to bring it to my best friend, Mike, and give it to him who's the air traffic controller at the Seattle airport. So he gave it to Mike. And Mike was worried about losing his job if he reported it to anybody. And so he took it home and he gave it to his wife, Doty. And he said, here, Doty, give this to your brother. He's a priest. So you say to yourself, what does that mean? Well, what does all that mean? What it means is that the United States Defense Department and the Central Intelligence Agency, part of the national security state, the same people that were refusing to give the information to the president of the United States, had undertaken a covert program of attempting to smear and destroy the reputations, the careers, the entire life of people in official positions who were attempting to push forward to find out what the information was about the UFOs that the national security state had obtained. Now, I began to look into this and investigate this. And I was in a position to have a lot of friends who were investigating reporters, as I pointed out, because of the work that I had done for them. And I had also Jesuit priests in 42 different countries who, in fact, they're going to say, don't talk about this. So I had access to a lot of investigators, a lot of Jesuit priests in different countries, had access actually to people in the Vatican, and I began a major investigation to find out what was really going on here. And I became absolutely convinced that a saucer, an extraterrestrial vehicle had crashed in Roswell, New Mexico, in July of 1947, and that our United States military had recovered, that they had recovered bodies of an extraterrestrial species, that they knew about this and they were concealing it, and that what had happened is President Truman was set up a secret committee, not within our government, not within the constitutional framework of our Democratic government, but selected a hand, selected a group of people that entailed people from the Central Intelligence Agency, but from private corporations, etc., and assigned the task to this private elite group to figure out what to do about the UFO phenomenon. And so as I went to the top heads of the 54 major religious denominations in the United States, who have Washington DC headquarters, and gathered them together and made a proposal to them to set up a special committee, representing all of the major religious denominations in the United States to get out ahead of this issue, not to be caught like the Catholic Church was with Galileo and Copernicus, who were so wedded to a worldview that was based on a proposition that our planet was located in the physical center of the universe, and that they built an entire mythology around that particular postulate, and so that when anyone tried to challenge it, they basically arrested them and put them under house arrest, and actually burnt Giordano Bruno to the stake at a stake for trying to insist that the earth wasn't in the center of the universe. But once they lost that battle and had to acknowledge that science made it clear that our earth was not in the center of the physical universe, what they did is they immediately constructed another model of a pyramid with our human species being at the very apex of the pyramid of all sentient life in the entire universe, and they spun out this myth that somehow the physical universe, the entire physical universe was simply a stage on which for our single human species on this one planet to play out its drama of evolving from a single celled organism in the primordial slime of the planet into a star-faring nation, and that we would go out into the universe and conquer the universe and spread our seed throughout the universe, and this was a new mythology that they were engaged in. What's happened, of course, is in the course of all of that, of my looking into this information with the particular resources that I had at my disposal, I ended up being contacted by Dr. John Mack in 1994, like 20 years later, to ask me to represent him because he was the head of the Department of Clinical Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, and he had had a number of these high-ranking military officials who were attempting to insist upon filing official reports of UFOs. They thought this was a very serious issue. They said, look, these are flying around on our planet. We don't know where they are or where they're from, but we believe that they're extraterrestrial and that they're displaying a technology that is so vastly beyond anything that we have, that this can't be anything that's been made on this planet. They were traveling at 43,000 miles an hour inside our atmosphere, which would burn any other vehicle to a crisp. We've all seen that with our moon landings and stuff coming back into the Earth's atmosphere, they have to be extremely careful because their whole craft could burn up on the friction of the air in our atmosphere. Here were these vehicles flying at 43,000 miles an hour inside our atmosphere and plummeting from near space, coming down to the surface of our oceans in less than one second, coming to a complete abrupt stop, which would subject them to 600 Gs of centrifugal force and it would tear any assembly apart, except that it left them completely unharmed. Then they would go submerged beneath the ocean and travel at over 200 miles an hour under the water. This technology was being observed by the United States, by our military and by our radar and they were keeping it secret. It was all being passed up the line to this secret group that was somehow in charge of figuring out what to do about this, but it was not subject to any congressional review. It wasn't subject to any kind of democratic oversight. It wasn't even known about by some of the highest levels of our military. When any given major officer tried to report it and get it investigated, he was immediately ordered to go get a psychiatric examination. Part of the effort to deter them from doing this. Some of these people had been sent to Harvard Medical School to get this type of an examination and Dr. John Mack, who was the head of the Department of Clinical Psychiatry, was the one who administered these psychological tests. After doing several of these, he was astonished because he said, look, this certainly is no career builder for these people to be making this up. They're all talking about virtually the same thing. They're describing the same technologies. Because of that, he ended up having other people sent to him. People who had not only seen these vehicles, but who reported in a very sincere, incredible manner that they'd actually had direct contact, physical contact with some of the occupants of these particular vehicles. And so John Mack was thunderstruck by this and began this investigation of his own. That he would not hypnotize people. What he did instead was this thing called holotropic breathing. It was a deep breathing exercise, sort of a Zen or Hindu kind of practice where they would get completely centered and relaxed and they could remember things in great detail without being hypnotized. And what he began to do is ask them questions about what it is they saw? What did the beings look like? What did it look like inside their craft? And he began to realize that they were all talking about virtually identical events that were happening to them. And that they had never talked to each other. They hadn't been in any way interested most of these people in UFOs or extraterrestrial life before that experience. And so he wrote an article for the New England Journal of Medicine, the top peer reviewed digest for the American medical community. And he submitted these things saying this is an extraordinary event that's going on here. Here we have entirely credible, totally reliable professional people reporting this. And nobody's doing anything about it. They're trying to pretend that they're crazy. And so he sent in the New England Journal of Medicine refused to publish it. And now Dr. John Mack was a Pulitzer Prize winning author. He had written the definitive psychobiography of T.E. Lawrence, Lawrence of Arabia was a Pulitzer Prize winner the head of the Harvard Department of Clinical Psychiatry who had written dozens and dozens of professional articles in the New England Journal of Medicine, not only refused to publish it, but they sent the application back, unopened, refused to open it and reported it to him that they weren't going to open it and they weren't going to read it and they weren't going to report on it. And so John Mack then contacted a publisher and had it published as a book. And as soon as the book was published, the dean of the medical school came to see him and actually had him have to report to his tribunal of a Harvard faculty committee in the legal council for Harvard was on the faculty committee, the dean of the medical school and chairing the whole committee was Dr. Arnold Relman who was the editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine who had refused to publish the article to begin with and they began to excoriate him. And so Dr. Mack reached out to me as by that time a comparatively well-known national lawyer and asked me to represent him. And so I did and in that context we met with Lawrence Rockefeller and Lawrence Rockefeller agreed to fund an entire grand rounds to the Harvard faculty on the issue of extraterrestrial life and the reality of extraterrestrial life and the UFO phenomena. And when we confronted them with that they freaked out and dropped all the charges against them. I ask you a question about that because I just had Steven Bassett, Steve Bassett on the show. I know a little bit you know what he shares as well he brings up the Rockefellers. Did they have a personal anyone in the family have a personal extraterrestrial experience that they were so willing to fund and support the disclosure of all of this information? There was no they it was just Lawrence and I talked to Lawrence Rockefeller about that and it turns out that he had never had any direct experience either or anybody in their family but his best friend in school had a direct experience. It was the Prince of Lichtenstein who actually was on was hiking in the mountains and I think the Alps or somewhere in Europe for a summer vacation and walked right up onto one of the UFOs that was sitting in a meadow and he walked over to it and put his hand on it physically. So he knew that it was an absolutely real thing and he told Lawrence Rockefeller about this as his best friend. So Lawrence knew that it wasn't absolutely any reason at all for his best friend to make this up to tell him and so he developed a personal interest in it. So it was just Lawrence Rockefeller himself personally that had this intense interest about this. So he agreed to fund a Grand Rounds at Harvard and so I was preparing to do that and John Mack introduced me of course to virtually everybody in the UFO field you know Stanton Friedman, Bud Hopkins, you know everybody and so I got to as John Mack's personal attorney I got to be personally introduced to all of these people and so I got to meet all of them to bolster the previous investigations that I was engaged in so I got this unique access to all of these different people and when they dropped the charges against John when we threatened offered wished that we could make this Grand Rounds presentation to them when they dropped all the charges John created this group called the Project for Extraordinary Experience Research at Harvard the peer group and they had experienced come in and had these groups where they sat and talked to each other. I was privileged to be able to sit in on a lot of these conferences and discussions among these people so I knew a lot of these people that had this direct experience. I got to vet of these people so that John would make sure that these were people that were honest and sincere and incredible people and because of that in 2001 I was contacted by Dr. Stephen Greer who was putting together the disclosure project to present at least two dozen government witnesses to the at the National Press Club in Washington DC in May of 2001 and to brief the staffs of the House of Representatives and the United States Senators on this and so I was asked by Stephen to be general counsel for the disclosure project and I was the one that undertook the vetting of who the 24 people were that were going to be presented as witnesses and so I got to meet all of those people as well as well as all of the other people a lot of the other people that Stephen Greer had interviewed and had you know video footage of lengthy interviews with all of them and I got to review these and determine who I thought the most credible witnesses were going to be and so I did that and I also was later with Steve Bassett I was brought on as general counsel to the citizens hearings on disclosure that Stephen and the other folks put together in 2013 so I got to meet all of those witnesses and so now most recently I've been retained by Lewis Elizondo. I want to get to there I want to just go back for a minute because how I actually came to become aware of you Daniel is through Dr. Stephen Greer's documentaries which are prominently featured in and it was clear how knowledgeable and articulate you were and so I became fascinated and here you are I want to know since you appeared in Greer's documentaries which by the way folks you can get on I think it's all on Netflix very accessible it's all free and highly recommended how was the experience once his documentaries were released has the needle moved at all has anything beneficial become of it? Well I think I think the the actual event that has triggered this latest I should call a surge of interest and stuff about the UFO phenomenon was actually the resignation of Lou Elizondo. Lou Elizondo back in 2008 had been brought on as the the chief of security for a new top secret defense department study of the UFO phenomena that that Senator Harry Reid the majority leader for the Democratic Party and the State Senate along with Ted Stevens from Alaska in Dan Inouye from Hawaii had pushed through a 22 million dollar appropriation to set up a secret investigation inside the Defense Department it was under the auspices also of the the Secretary of State or excuse me Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Lou was brought on as the chief of security as a specialist in security over intelligence information and then he was made the head of it he was made the executive director of the entire project and Lou spent that entire time for some eight years as the director of the project after having been two years as the chief of security for the project and he was becoming growingly frustrated because it was clear to him that there was a completely unconstitutional protocol that was operating inside the Defense Department blocking not only the top level military officials that should know about this phenomenon but blocking the United States Congress blocking the president of the United States and this is a 2017 this this what this went all it was a 10-year period from 20 2007 all the way to 2017 he was there for 10 years you know and that he spent 10 years trying to get this information trying to investigate it find out what was going on and what he was discovering is that instead of there being an honest way of dealing with all this that they were lying there was a concentrated program of lying dissembling lying to the American people lying to the American Congress that fabricating information destroying the lives of a private American citizens destroying the lives of political officials destroying the lives of military officials who were trying to figure out what this phenomenon was and so that he became growingly frustrated over this he wrote a letter of complaint to try to get to the Secretary of Defense General Mattis he was blocked the people in the Defense Department locked up his his complaint and wouldn't wouldn't communicate it and so he wrote a letter of resignation to the Secretary of Defense Mattis and resigned but not before he had secured the declassification of three major F-18 Super Hornet gun camera videos of UFOs that had been all around the USS Roosevelt and the USS Newitz major carrier groups and that they had launched their their planes to investigate these UFOs had actually gotten video footage of them Lou Elizondo secured the declassification of these and then resigned and he and Christopher Mellon who was the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under both President Bill Clinton and under George W. Bush who had retired joined with him and they brought these videos to the New York Times and my having been legal counsel for the Pentagon Papers back in 1971 I was quite familiar with the seriousness with which the New York Times takes the potential release of any previously classified information so that that was a the the major event that triggered this whole event was was Elizondo quitting number two is getting these videos and bringing them to the New York Times number three the New York Times deciding to publish them so that they they released them over their internet website the videos and then on the 17th of December of 2017 they published on the front page of the New York Times the fact that UFOs were real that this is not swamp gas this is not you know misidentification of flocks of birds these are not weather balloons these are vehicles these are our real vehicles a real phenomenon they're functioning in an intelligent manner they're evading our radar they're capable and they started elucidating the criteria in the article that they're traveling at 43,000 miles an hour you know that they're undergoing 60 g's of uh or 600 g's of pressure they can go 200 miles an hour under the oceans they're being tracked by our nuclear submarines through their sonar they're being tracked by all of our radar and this is a and this was an extraordinary event that took place this publication by the New York Times of the reality of this because so many people among the intelligentsia in the United States look to the New York Times as sort of their their metric of whether or not something is credible whether or not this is real and so that it represents a step that has been taken by the intelligentsia in the United States to demand the the public revelation of the reality of this phenomenon and so this changes the whole 75 year history of the UFO phenomenon that began in earnest after the Roswell event in July of 1947 so may I ask you so with this decades and decades that you've got of information that most eyes and ears have not seen or heard and the people that you've gotten to interact with what is your intention about why they're here why are the celestial beings busy coming here what is their interest fascination or mission well it's a it's a two-step process the first the first area of inquiry is why is it that this is being concealed why is it that the United States military command structure can't get access to this information why is it that the members of Congress can't get information about this why is it that Presidency United States can't get information about this what it is is that there's very clearly this elite group there's a super ultimately secret group that is garnering all of this information are they related well they obviously have reached into the DoD because they can task military people to go to the sites of a crash and recover the crash and cordon off the entire area declare martial law basically around the entire area ban people from coming near it and they bring the the craft to right field now right Patterson field in Ohio they have control over area 51 uh s4 uh in in Nevada where they bring these vehicles they've been involved in attempting to back engineer the vehicles right that was my question so is this ultimately about creating weapons or spacecraft to mimic all the technology that they're pulling apart looking at from out outer space well because because they they view they view the back engineering of this technology as a means of developing a weapon uh a a a uh a fighter jet a plane that can can do these incredible things to project us military power over the planet uh that there's there's an old Sufi saying that when a pick pocket meets the saint all he sees are his pockets uh and uh and so that when you have a national security state infrastructure that's been established here in the united states since december of 1947 with the passage of the national security act of 1947 they perceive everything that they can't dominate in control as a potential threat uh of course which includes the citizens of the united states that's why they've been involved in in in criminal projects like operation shamrock and co-intel pro to try to surveil people in the united states to get get us under their control uh in that so ever since the creation of this national security state here in our country in in december of 1947 this elite has been viewing itself as being basically in charge uh and that they view members of congress to be just a bothersome event they they view presidents of the united states to be a bothersome event they view even the high ranking military officials to be a bothersome event and so that the that my opinion has come to be that this elite is trying to in fact monopolize the technology and they not only want to monopolize the technology to be able to make billions and billions of dollars in profit by manufacturing a military aircraft that that integrate this particular technology to make as much money as they possibly can for their shareholders uh but they're also are interlinked with the shareholders who own the major petroleum companies uh in natural gas companies and what they're trying to do is they're trying to withhold this technology from our human family so that they that their shareholders in their oil corporations can make as much money as possible uh as long as possible and even though they're destroying the entire climactic system of our planet now uh with global climate change uh they're still withholding the technology that could potentially provide an alternative source of electrical energy for our people on our planet because they are so greedy and so selfish uh that this group has commandeered unto itself these these particular technologies now at least of the second question that you ask is that well why is it that the extraterrestrial species itself doesn't break through this and say look it uh they've discovered that there's this nasty elite of one one hundred percent of one percent of our people that are greedy in in keeping this technology for themselves to make profit for their shareholders and for themselves why don't they intervene why don't they just come in and say look here's the technology you need uh uh in what what there's there's two things that in my opinion based upon I don't know 45 years or so of of my working in this particular field it is true it isn't just the simple thing that like in Star Trek oh well they've got this this uh prime directive that they can't interfere with any other civilization so what what it what it really is is that they have a much more subtle mechanism by means of which they they garner the trust of people on a planet such as ours uh and that they that they uh our planet uh is it's not the only planet in our galaxy that gestates life but it's one of the few uh there's a comparatively rare event to have a planet that actually generates life up out of its its chemical elements that the that our planet generates gestates life on our uh in our in our planet and there are others in the in the galaxy but these are so rare uh that that the the extraterrestrial civilization has what they view as a collective interest in protecting those planets because they're they're actually harvesting DNA uh flora and fauna from our planet to help seed life elsewhere in the galaxy and so the what they do is they leave the planet unmolested uninterfered with as much as it can the problem is is that if in fact a species arises on one of these planets where they start to threaten the actual viability of that planet as a source of gestating life then they have to start making themselves better known and that's why we began to see their appearances in dramatic form right after the detonation of the nuclear weapons uh at the end of world war two and and that's why the first crash the saucer that crashed in 1945 was less than 11 miles away from the trinity site where we detonated the first nuclear bomb that's why the roswell crash that occurred in july of 1947 was at the 509th bombing group it was the only only air base in the entire on the entire planet that had atomic weapons uh and that this has been repeated over and over again that they've flown over our minute man sites and turned off the missiles to show that they can do this uh and very importantly the the contact the direct personal contacts that have been experienced by hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people a huge significant plurality of the people report that in their face-to-face communications with the extraterrestrial beings the extraterrestrial beings are trying to warn us they're trying to say look at you have to stop burning these fossil fuels you have to stop burning petroleum coal and gas to you're going to destroy the climactic system of your whole planet and you have to get rid of these nuclear missiles and nuclear weapons you're going to totally you can contaminate the entire planet for millions of years you know i mean the the half-life of plutonium is 250 000 years you know and so that they're they're trying to communicate this but they're trying to do it indirectly by not disrupting our our society by saying oh look we're only part of a huge galactic civilization what they're trying to do is they're trying to communicate this information to our citizens and our citizens when we get this information and they try to tell anybody about it they're being targeted by this CIA in secret defense department program of crushing them of destroying their reputation destroying their family life you know poisoning they're making making people's families think that they're insane you know constantly intentionally choreographing that narrative to get these people to stop doing this so so that what we see happening here is that that we are in the very brink of being victimized by this extraordinarily narrow elite on our planet and we have allowed ourselves to be dominated by that and so that one of the tests of a civilization of whether or not we're worthy to become you know members of the galactic civilization is whether we can overcome this inclination on the part of a tiny elite to dominate and control for their own personal self-interest because their consciousness is so low their consciousness is so low that they they are terrified when they stand out beneath the starry sky in nighttime rather than being awed by this fabulous wealth of life on other star systems all around us they live in terror they experience this terror of being completely alienated they they look into space and see nothing but rocks and in cold death with no oxygen so what they do is they recoil into themselves and they contract and they start to try to establish domination and control over everything around them it's a it's a very specific it's these people are rooted in their root chakra they're they're attached to their root chakra and that chakra is dominating their entire consciousness that they are just desperate to survive in their own individual incarnated capacity this has to do with consciousness that's why the conscious life expo is so important that's that's why all of these things to raise consciousness of people the reason from the very beginning that I wanted to be an astronaut when I first discovered what stars are when I sat out in my little grassy yard in forehand in New York I've heard New York state I would look up and see this huge tapestry of stars and and I would see the stars pulsing out and I said oh look at there's there's planets around those other stars isn't this fantastic and it became so weird to me that we as a human species on our planet in light of this dimension of reality are doing the things to ourselves that we're doing yeah we're we're using our creativity to to dig into the earth and raise up the metals to make guns and bullets to shoot lead into hot hot lead into each other's bodies because we draw lines on the on the soil and say you can't come on my side of this this line uh you know in the in the what it was is that these kinds of conduct on the part of our human family that are so contrary to the natural laws of our universe uh is is a reflection of our low consciousness the higher your consciousness is more comprehensive your experiential uh experiences of the of the reality around you right so if certain it sounds like a certain megacorporations would only step out of the way these et advanced technologies could actually benefit our entire humanity and planet and if it would stop controlling we could have a completely different outcome so let me ask you a couple questions do you think we're any closer to full UFO disclosure is there any hope well I think it's it's I don't think that I don't think that we can rely upon you know conscious disclosure uh by the national security state people uh until you get rid of the national security state the by definition the national security state exists rooted in this bizarre consciousness you know and they lie and they dissemble uh you know when I had double 182 at harvard college under henry kissinger right and henry kissinger in the very first day of the class he would say uh well gentlemen he says uh this I was the last all-male class at harvard college right he says well gentlemen he says if there's any man here in this class who believes that our nation cannot look high and cheat and steal uh and even kill to pursue our own national interests then you shouldn't be in this class right that was what he said to us you know and I said holy mackerel I said I'm staying in this class I want to see what they're talking about what they're planning what they're doing and that's why that's why right at the very beginning I had a different consciousness because of my sense of expanded consciousness of taking in as a reality the existence of other star systems in our galaxy and other planets and other lives in our galaxy it is seen that every all these kind of at henry kissinger and other people were so narrow and so confined and so completely incorrect uh that that I had to do something about this you know and so what I've done is I've stayed open even in the midst of my doing the other cases with you know the watergate burglary and the pentagon papers and you know the war stuff and all that I always think yeah yeah I stayed open I always stayed open to this other issue and so whenever the opportunity arose uh to participate in this process of trying to not make the government necessarily the national security state expose what they aren't going to tell you but to get rid of the national security state to have a genuine functioning social democracy uh in our country and to share this information with other people around the world how we can have an honest and open democratic self-governing process where we can share the resources of the planet we can share the expertise that people develop in different countries and have a planetary culture you know this is the level of consciousness that actually qualifies us for citizenship in the in the galactic civilization but if we don't do that if we allow ourselves to be dominated and controlled by like one one hundredth of one percent of the population of our planet then in fact we need to remember all species do not survive all species do not survive if you're not capable of uh arising in adjusting yourself in your activities to the reality around you you will become extinct and that's what that's what the threat is right now we are facing a potential extinction event uh with the with the we see it right here as we gather here today we see massive flooding you know all through the the gulf coast you know all the way to new york city and in philadelphia underwater california all of northern california burning to the ground thousands of homes being burnt down you know in in these raging tornado fires drought drought uh encompassing parts of africa the middle east we have wars going on now over we just withdrew from afghanistan after 20 years why because our middle our national security state invaded the middle eastern oil fields to try to capture and maintain control over those oil fields at the end of world at the end of the cold war to keep china from getting access to oil that was what really was going on the entire thing was a complete set of lies total fabrications on the part of the national security state oh saddam hussein has nuclear weapons he's going to blow us all up total lies and the fact is we know their lies we now know that their lies uh but they still stayed they stayed for decade after we knew that these were transparent lies that were being foisted upon us by the national security state so we have to get busy we have to not only in california pass the california green new deal which our office is drafting the remaro institute is drafting a 350 page comprehensive green new deal for the state of california uh the democratic party has a two-thirds super majority in both the state assembly and the state senate we have a democratic governor in place who will sign the bill into law we can demonstrate that we can get to zero carbon emissions by what you can do is you can contact the the remaro institute this remaro institute dot org uh and there's there's let's green california dot com let's green california dot com uh and the remaro institute dot org and you can find all that there's an action center there so that people can contact uh governor neusam demanding that he declare a state of climate emergency in the state of california everybody can go out and vote everybody can go out and vote in this recall this is preposterous you know that they've got 46 other candidates uh they're in this recall thing and unless gavin neusam gets 50 plus one vote he he's going to be removed and the person one of those 46 candidates who gets only like eight to 10 of the vote out of all the other votes could be governor and there's there's these like larry elder is one of the one of the candidates who's an absolute maniac he's a he's a right wing fundamentalist talk show host who's a total qanon conspiracy theorist who wants to doesn't believe in global climate change uh i mean he's he's a maniac uh and the fact is that he's leading now in the polls because he's got this virulent uh following uh that are organizing and getting all their people to vote and most of the most of the liberals and progressives going oh well you know governor neusam you know i'm not totally happy with him anyhow or you know oh i heard that he he won't declare even a state of climate emergency in the state of california why should i bother supporting him you know that's crazy talk that's crazy talk i mean people have got to they get a call get on the internet and go to romero institute.org lessgreencalifornia.com and there's an action center you can sign a letter going to and we'll send it directly to the governor to demand that he declare a state of climate emergency in california you can find out all about the green new deal bill we got a 50 page outline of the bill we're working with uh with people in the senate we're working people in the in the state assembly we're doing all the grit you know logistical work that needs to get done but our people have to be have to be mobilized we have to come to grips with this it's important to remember the intersection of this whole thing is this is the with the rise of global climate change and the the uh elevating of the net of the sea levels that as you know what's happening is people think that because the melting of the ice packs on the north and south pole that the billions of tons of wind into the ocean every year is what's really causing the sea level rise it's the heat it's the increased heat of the planet the mean global temperature is exciting the molecules of water and expanding the size of the oceans and so the the sea levels are rising we've already seen Fukushima in japan what it causes increases the storm surges because the storms are getting more and more violent as we have seen and the storm surge flooded the Fukushima nuclear reactor they're now pouring you know thousands of gallons of water a totally radioactive water out of that facility into the pacific ocean every single day every single day and it turns out there's another 115 new power plants directly on the sea coasts around our planet so we can be looking at 115 Fukushima's you know exploding with a storm surge filling up their their their nuclear site and causing the explosion of those facilities poisoning our oceans and with the flow of the thousands and tens of thousands of gallons of fresh water out of the melting ice caps on our planet what it's doing is it's lowering the salination levels of the ocean and lowering the density of the water in the ocean even though they're expanding in the underwater currents that flow from the equatorial regions of our planet both up into the northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere that generate the the temperate zones where 70 percent of all the food on the planet is grown is is in danger because as the as the water the density of the water decreases the the underwater currents will rise to the surface and dissipate and and the the equatorial regions of the planet by 2026 with the exact level of carbon emissions that are being emitted as you and I sit here right at this moment into our planet's atmosphere by 2026 if this continues that the entire equatorial region of our planet is going to go above three degrees centigrade increase over the beginning of the industrial age and what's going to happen is going to start killing the rainforests killing not not just cutting them down and burning them so that they can grow more cattle so that they can have more meat for people to eat but but the fact is that they're going to start killing the rainforest and the rainforests are the lungs of our planet they're the ones pulling carbon down out of the atmosphere and transforming it into oxygen for our planet but in by 2026 if we don't get to net zero by 2026 then what's going to happen is those rainforests are going to be started to be killed by the temperatures of over 130 140 degrees they're going to turn from carbon drawdowns into giving them up more carbon because they're rotting and decaying and dying in the oxygen is going to be depleted on our planet we have to understand that we are in the eschaton we are at that point now where the the moral turpitude of this portion of the people our human family are killing our planet and our people are shifting around one foot from another and pacing back and forth saying what was me what was me isn't somebody going to do something you know we all have to do something we all have to mobilize we all have to go to the romero institute dot org we need to go to uh uh let's green california dot com we got to write letters to the governor we got a vote to stop their call there got to be a governor in that office is going to sign our bill when we get it passed and you have to be ready to be mobilized and we've got six major senate districts out of the out of the 40 that we've targeted we've got another 15 different assembly districts that we've gotten targeted that are the swing votes on the key committees inside the senate and the assembly who have to pass this bill out of those we know what we need to do uh you you all you get people need to do is know where to come who is is doing this work we're doing this work just like i've been doing for 50 years and this is the intersection between the ufo phenomenon existence of extraterrestrial life and the issue of global climate change and also the issue of nuclear weapons because the private nuclear power plants were all created simply as a ruse for continuing to to build nuclear weapons that they wanted to have those nuclear power plants to rationalize the continued generation of plutonium you know we did the karen so good case out in oklahoma which was the nuclear reprocessing plant where they were going to try to reprocess the spent nuclear fuels from the 113 nuclear power plants in the united states they're going to bring yeah bring bring the spent fuel there you know there are two different cases we also did three mile island we did the three mile island case to stop them from pumping the radioactive effluence from the core into the sesquihanna river we did the karen silkwood case out in oklahoma to stop the reprocessing plant where they were smuggling 98 pure bomb grade plutonium that had come from the waste materials from the nuclear power plants to deliver nuclear weapons to israel and iran both israel and iran they were delivering special nuclear materials and under the agreement that they shared them with who south africa under the apartheid government of the african or government and and brazil under the the the days of blood and iron their fascist government that was in brazil at the time you know this is the national security state this is the the sinful structure that has evolved on our planet and we as a people have to rise up and do everything in our power to disempower this national security state to disassemble the national security state to get rid of the national security act of 1947 and we also have to get rid of these corporations you know this this private shareholder stockholder corporation didn't even exist until 1872 this whole device by means of which the owners of all the resources of the corporation are completely immunized against any personal liability for whatever the corporation does that they own the stock in and the management are all completely personally immunized the only thing that's liable is the corporation itself and its assets and so it has no conscious whatsoever no conscience whatsoever all it does is pursues maximization of the short term profits for their stockholders it's like a it's like a a beast out of control and we have to get rid of that that is a fundamentally sinful structure the the private shareholder corporation we have to get rid of it uh not just try to tame it not just to try to rein it in like frankelyn roosevelt tried to do you know after the massive depression of the 1929 you know we have to get rid of them if anybody wants to be an entrepreneur and gather together their friends and invest in making a product fine but you have to be held responsible for what your product does and if your product hurts people or kills people you have to be personally liable but that's perfectly sound and reasonable that's we've developed the entire Anglo-American common law to hold people responsible for what they do the corporations have been designed to protect them and to let them get away with you know pouring sludge into our atmosphere pouring poisons into our waterways you know killing our our planet and getting away with it these are sinful structures yeah and we who have a higher level of consciousness need to move from a place of high consciousness not to kill these people not to you know not to have to you know kill them and get rid of them what we have to do is we have to take over the democratic structures of our own governments and we have to spread the democratic concepts around the world in time to save our planet okay so so that's that's what the message is that's the issue of foes issue of extraterrestrial nuclear weapons the issue of global climate change they're all part the same thing that we have to deal with that's why the life expo and other conscious conventions are extraordinarily important hundred percent and i i do want to make sure to tell folks who are listening to you and would like to go in person the LA conscious life expo it's really worth it and our guest here daniel shan is going to be there he's speaking on saturday september 18th as well as sunday september 19th just so you know you can go in person that's what i would recommend but if for whatever reason you cannot you can also live stream the entire event and daniel this is dare to dream so what are you next dare to dream i i dare to dream that our people will mobilize here in the state of california to pass the green new deal i i dream that we will then on a national level mobilize to pass a national green new deal we will transform our culture from a supply side economic model of just our whole culture does nothing more than what the corporations want to supply to us as products and into a demand driven economic system that will respond to the demands the needs of the people in democracy will flourish that's what that's what i dream and i i work at it we've been trained all of us interestingly enough i've been trained to believe in that dream what we have to do is wake up and dream the dream into life that's what we have to do yeah yes 100 i love that dream i love those websites so folks i just urge you to get involved after what you heard the romero institute dot org and look for let's green california so important daniel i thank you so much for coming on the show today and for everything you shared with us terrific debbie i appreciate it as a privilege i end today's show with this quote from metrodorus of kiosk it is unnatural in a large field to only have one shaft of wheat and in the infinite universe only one living world to consider the earth as the only populated world infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field sown with millet only one grain will grow subscribe to the dare to dream show i answer all the comments thank you for being on this journey with us and you're going to want to hear next week's number one transformation conversation my guest is going to be dr connie's wig she is the author of three books on the shadow and the reinvention of age she's going to be talking about the inner work of age shifting from role to soul and if you're listening to us on podcast and you'd like to see myself and my guest go to youtube.com slash debbie dashinger thanks for joining us today and create that big celestial universal healthy planet humanity dream that daniel was talking about