問一些問題然後我相信說你們是全英語教學嗎?我們自稱全英語教學可是學生自己會透出中文了解他們有全文喔真的喔 這麼厲害那我們今天對話是不是也要全英文一下可能會比較好因為其實中文是我的第二語言And I think in English anywayokOk so let's get startedOkSo the reason I'm here today is toask about your interestand also your availabilityfor some kind of international studentsSureNot just students but also their parentsbecause students don't listen to anybodytheir parents they listenwell that's a good ideayou should do thatOkSo I gathered a list of questionsthat the students would like to ask youbecause you are an expert in some areasand then I also haveso my own questions tooOkbut today is not really an interviewI just want to let you know about our studentsand let you know about what they're interested inSo the actual interactionwhether it's an interviewor it's a speech or anythingthat's the part where people really need to hearwhat you really want to sayOk just for the recordI have a very similar arrangementwith the Minerva schoolyou're setting the campusI have an infant type for a dare semesterand I will also enroll in a very similar activityOh that's greatThe Minerva's Asia directorKen RossWe were neighbors in ShanghaiReallyI was working in a school in Shanghaiand I was holding lots of charityor charity thingsSo I found out about Minerva Universityinteresting Ken RossOk he's in ShanghaiAnd do you want to talk about your experienceswith charity and things like thatOkSo he cameand it was really weirdbecause he saidand then the second time he saidEnglishand it was really longand why are you doing thisand then after a few weeksI was going homeI took the elevatorand I saw himwhy are you hereSo we live in the same neighborhoodSo we lived in the same neighborhoodand then he actually came backto Taiwan before meSo I see him all the time thoughSo there'sLet me tell you about my school firstSo we're called VISWe're a very small schoolIt's an experimental education institutionSo I'm sure you know about thisWe don't really follow the normalpublic curriculumBut we areWe are overseen by the Board of EducationThere's standards we need to meetSo our schoolis a first year schoolThis is actually our first semesterAnd we have 30 studentsMostly boysIt's like a three to one boysThe girlsAnd most of our kidsThey will go abroad for universityMost of these kidsWill go to CanadaAnd some of them are thinking aboutOther countries like maybe JapanOr EnglandAnd basicallyThese kids come from prettyWealthy or well off familiesSo they've seen quite a bitMore of the world thanMaybe normal public school studentsThey're all very nice kidsBut they don'tNot all of them work very hardThey're very curiousTo hear about thingsSo they have lots of questionsSo I gatheredSome of the moreStudious students to get outStudiousAnd I saidHey, I'm going to goTalk to a telephone laterAre there any questionsThat you want to askAnd basicallyThere's three main categoriesThere's educationAnd personal experienceThen there's technologyAnd the environmentAnd then there's the workplaceAnd the futureIt sounds greatMaybe I'll let you knowBasically what they'reMaybe I can take a look at itBecause you have aExtra copy from meMy printer is brokenI made so many copiesThat's rightSo actuallyThe education one isMostly around homeSchooling and of courseMy transitionTwo favorite thingsAnd so oneBut mostly aboutAlternative education itselfSo that's niceAnd I'm happy toTalk thatAndHow to changeExplain blockchainLike I'm fiveAnd the workplaceAnd the futureYeah, these are allVery studiousIt sounds studiousThey're just askingI don't knowThey're really going to listenVery closelyAnd of courseI work in a schoolSo I have somePersonal questionsSo if I wouldThink about educationOkay, soWhy don't weJust go throughYour questionsBecause as you mentionedThe students questionsMaybe I'llSpeak in a lot of detailBy the chance that theyActually listen toThe entirety of this videoBecause students willBecause students willNot inNot in this videoMaybe the next timeMaybe weDo a face to faceYesI got a emergencyFrom studySoWhy the emergencyCooking emergencyEmergency foodSo I'llLet you hearTalkAnd thenYour girl rescuedRescuedExcellentI'll come by laterBut that isOf courseOh, it's very importantYeahOkay, soMaybe weTalk through your questionsFirst and I'llGo back andMaybe do someLike broad brushesAnd then we canArrange a time for moreIn-depth conversationWith the studentsOkay, sureThat's okay with meSoDo you want to talkAbout the format firstOr the actual contact firstWhateverIn whicheverThe formatWhat have youTried andFound workSoLike do we doThree study groupsThere's no studying going onThere's no studying going onThere's a lot ofLearning groupsThree curiosity groupsWe did aProgramOkayOne of these thingsThat I'm hopingYou'll be interested inOkayLet me show youThe pictureOf what we did last timeOkayThis wasActually withFenrosSoBasicallyI asked himTo talk aboutThe topic that he's mostWell-versed inWhich is higher educationOf courseSoIf you know KenYou know thatHe really likes to talkYeah, okayLet's seeHe talked forAbout 30, 40 minutesAbout his schoolAnd howEducation is changingAnd thenAfter thatWe had a sit-downLike a Q&AWhere I presented himWith some questionsI wanted to ask himAnd I presented himWith some questionsThat I wanted toSo it's like aFireside chatTo answerSo then other peopleOr for two hoursOkayAnd then WednesdayOkayI'm not sureThis is somethingThat you'reInterested inOr you even haveTime forDoes it have to be7pmIn the dayLike afternoonOr noonOr evenIt can beThe reason thatWe scheduled itFor later in the dayThis timeIs because we wantedThe parents to hearThat's rightThe parents are workingBut of courseIf you don'tIf you don't mindIf you strongly preferA kind of after-hourAfter-work-hourThen I canI can do thatBut usuallyIt's just scheduledAbout WednesdaysBecause WednesdayOkayIt's my office hourSoMy only askIs thatIt's on the record somehowLike we make a recordingAnd publish toYouTubeThat's the easiestOtherwise we canMake a transcript as wellAnd soIf you schedule itIn a WednesdayAnd make itMaybe 6.30To 8.30Or something like thatThen I canOf course do itThat would beWe would beVery gratefulAs a schoolI'm sureSoThat's what we basically didAnd a lot of the questionsThat I askedCan that timeSome of them were questionsThat the general public wantedTo hear aboutBut a lot of them wereQuestions that I wantedTo answerFor the general publicSo he could saySay thingsOkayI see thatBut we'll doThe conversation in EnglishDo all the parentsIn EnglishIt'll probably beIn ChineseIn MandarinOkaySoYeahIf you're interestedIn EnglishSo I meanI can't coverAll three areasYeahIn two eyesSo weWe might want toFocusAnd I meanI helpedMakingThe current basicEducation curriculumBut I'm less involvedIn alternative education nowAnd soIf you want toHear about alternative educationActually my dadIs aOr my momIs a better personTo talk about thatAnd so maybeWe don't doEducation after allAnd actuallyWe did that alreadyRightSo we can focusOn the workplaceOf the futureI think that's anExcellent topicAnd alsoI can mention somethingAbout distributed ledgersSo say blockchainInto itBut in the contextOf betteringThe workplaceIn the futureSo not techFor tech's sakeAs a partOf the social technologyThe social fabricAnd I'll be muchMore comfortableDoing thatAnd climate changeI meanThere's mitigationAnd there's adaptationAnd each aspectWill easily takeTwo hoursTo talkAnd thenThat will becomeA climate change seminarMaybeLet's not do thatOkayOkayBecause reallyIt's very systemicAnd have a lotOf repercussionsIn those mitigationAnd adaptationSo I might notBe the best personTo talk aboutMaybe you canInviteI don't knowDoctorOr someoneWho is actuallyA climate scientistTo talk aboutSo maybeWe sayWorkplaceOf the futureOr workplaceFrom the futureAt the futureOr whicheverAnd thenWe focusOn just the futureOf workAnd thenWe bringSome techEnvironmental educationInto itIf that's okayOf courseThis wouldAgainProbably beWorking professionals35To 15Not yet to retireSo it's irrelevantTo themSo what they're worried aboutIs the workplaceOf the futureNow for themselvesBefore their childrenOf courseOf courseOf courseOf courseOf courseOf courseOf courseOf courseOf courseOf courseOf courseOf courseOf courseEvery WednesdayOkayThe whole yearIs similar to thatOf the American school yearOkayExcept we also haveChinese New Year offMeaningSo that meansWe finish schoolOn the 13th of DecemberAnd then we start school againIn the first twoOr three days of JanuaryBut we're only in schoolFor about two weeksAnd then we go on vacation againWhatYeahOkayInteresting scheduleWell we can't haveLike super interestingWe can't not haveEvery yearIn TaiwanThat'sMaybe not the best ideaSo the day beforeThe Chinese New YearThat WednesdayWill be January 22January 27Is that somethingWe can work withJanuary 22On a WednesdayThat's definitelySomething that we can work withJanuary 22WaitDon't put me on that yetNoIt's most likelyIt's most likelyYesMostly harmlessAgainAnytime that you are availableAnd we are actuallyIn sessionIt's totally okaySo when do you resumeIn sessionAfter the new yearI thinkChinese New YearFor us is aboutMaybe nine daysOkaySo it will be back inLike February 5thWill be okayRightYeahIt's very possibleOkayYeahSo the reasonI came todayIs becauseI know you must beTerribly busyNo, not on WednesdaysNot on WednesdaysSo I'm not really sureWhat sort ofFormat you would beComfortable withBecause if weAs a private institutionHeld this talkAnd then publicized itIt would be somethingVery similar to marketingFor ourselvesSureI'm fine with thatOkayI just wantedTo make sureNo, I justThe only thing I askIs thatEverybody can thenFrom our conversationBy watchingEither a live streamOr a recorded versionOr at the very leastA transcriptAnd that's for meIs for public goodBecause we'reContributing to theCommentsAnd that'sThe only askOkay, we'llDefinitely do thatBecause that'sIn our roomAs wellRightSo would youPrefer beforeAfter theSo we canGet essentialDownProbablyProbably afterThe communityUner would be easierTo plan forOkayI'm sureSo would youPrefer the 12thOr the 5thWhen would youNeed to knowWhyAnd I knowYou'd rather knowRight nowI'm not sureWellI meanI'm also planningMy overseas tripsAnd soI can't promiseBeyond these two datesBut I know for sureThat I'llBe back in TaiwanFrom IndiaActuallyOn the 5thAnd soMy preferenceWill be on the 5thBut I can do 12If you let me knowLikeLong enough in the classOkaySo I'llJust tentatively reserve the 5thOkayThank you for thatAnd from 6.30To 8.30And if you want toChange itJust let me knowI'llSee if I can change itOkayWellFirst of allThank you for thatNo problemI'm not sureHow much free timeCan I really ask youI have an hourActuallyA lot of timeFor your questionsNot for climate changeI would like to ask you aboutYour feelings aboutYouth and growing up in schoolAnd learning and things like thatSo maybe the second questionSureHave you felt that today's youthAre less motivated Than they should beYeah, work hard is for robotsI don't work hardI thinkI think most peopleNaturally are lazyAnd trying to not work hardButAt most timesIn our livesWe have the abilityTo remind ourselvesWhat I should be workingSo I'll do a little bitI've never done thatBut the kids todayDo you feel thatThey're even less motivated Than perhapsYou were when you were youngerSo I'm motivatedOnly by intrinsic motivationsI'm not motivatedBy extrinsic motivationsMeaning like relativePosition in classOr whateverLinear projectionsThat is the scoringOr whateverI'm never motivatedBy thatAnd so if you meanThose motivationsThey work even lessThe external onesTo these kidsI would sayIt's likely the caseBoth for public schoolsAnd alternative schools as wellWhen we're doingThe new curriculumWhile we're buildingAround the school competenciesAnd the competenciesAre the onesThat are intrinsicallyMotivationalThe motivation of curiosityThat's autonomyThe motivation ofGetting to know peopleAgainst interactionAnd the motivation toLeave the planet a better placeThan you came inAnd that's pretty concreteAnd these three intrinsic motivationsI think are strongerIn today's young peopleWhenever they are looking for a jobOr whateverThey look for jobsThat creates meaningInstead of just salaryOr any other linear statusOr a career ladder goingAnd so I do thinkTo these kidsThey have a stronger internal motivationCompared to my contemporariesWhen I was a kidMaybe because society in schoolTreated them differentlyYeah, definitelyBut as I saidThe students in schoolsThat I have worked inFor most of my careerUsually grew upIn pretty comfortable surroundingsSo what I oftenHave observed isThey seem to haveNo intrinsic motivationAnd they're alsoNot helped alongBy extrinsic motivationBasically they're just a zeroAnd they like to spendAll day on the internetBut not really doing anything productiveOn the internetJust they existBut they createVery little valueHave youNo, I haven't observed thatI mean I've seenMany people just workingCollaborativelyTo make remixesThat's very popularFor exampleHarry PotterFan FictionsThese are very popularAnd maybe they spendThe entire monthJust drawingA fan fiction characterOr toJust make some mangaAround Harry PotterAnd that's whyAnd to meIt's still productiveIt's just notIn a linearlyIn that you can't reallyPut a dollar value to thatBut they're still producing somethingThat's what productive meansOkI would like to hearYour feelings about the number five hereI'm sorry there's no numbersThe amount of informationWe're getting so much information these daysDo you think thatWe'll ever hit a point whereWe as human beingsWill no longer be able to processThe informationWe've long since passed that pointYes, but we don't feel it yetNormal people stillStill feel likeOh, I'm in controlI decide what I seeWe don't seeMaybe one dayWe'll just beOn the better handYou mean like The MatrixSomething like thatOk, well The MatrixIs an interesting pictureYou just have a 10GB per second lineThe human mindFeel that it's anywhere in the worldExperiencing anything whatsoeverThat's what our sensory organsThe bandwidth of our sensory organsAll combinedIs just around 10GB per secondAnd so if you canReplicate those signalsYou really can transportLike someone to MarsOr create an ambience feelingThat they are on MarsAnd maybeThat's what the movie Avatar portraysAnd so with 5G technologyWe're rapidly approaching that pointMy main thing isWhen the day comesLike you saidIt's already been passedBut when the day comesWhen we are awareThat there's just so much informationThat I can't make sense of it anymoreWhat do you think is going to happen to peopleSo people will make their own senseWhat we're already seeingIn earlier prototypesLike second lifeIs that people will justTo make their own cultureInstead of being definedBy the geographic boundariesOf your physical neighborsThey'll be definedBy the fanfiction communityThey belong toAnd they will create new meaningsBased on those shared cultural valuesAnd we used to call them subcultureBut now there's literallyEverybody is in some subculturesAnd I'm not sureThat word even makes sense anymoreAnd so I thinkWe will see a plurality of culturesAnd the meaning makingWill take place within those culturesAnd those culturesWill seem very unproductiveTo other culturesDo you think this is going to causeIn society or governmentAs we know itSo if the culture takes placeIn a not isolated playLike virtual realityIt has the potentialOf people being trappedIn a solo experienceThen yes, that's a real dangerThat's the virtual isolationBut on the other handIt could also be a shared realityWhere people just togetherLook at public goodBecause there's very few peopleIn the newer generationThat feel so stronglyAbout ownership anymoreThey care about the experienceThey take aboutCare about the designOf the experienceAnd the balanceOf the experienceIn terms of like social justiceOr climate changeOr the future generationSustainability and so onBut they don't care that muchIt's compared to our generationAbout the ownership ideaWhere you are cleanTo something physicalExcludes other people from using itAnd much more into sharingIs what I'm sayingAnd so that holds some promiseSo that people canActually talk about common issuesAbout social issuesIn our participation platformJoin GOVTWThe most active participantsAre people who are around 65 years oldAnd people who are around 15 years oldI think bothBecause they care moreAbout the next generationBut also they are less constrainedBy this ownership basisI think you must be surroundedBy very positive people every daySo what I'm worried about right nowIs when people reach the pointWhen humanity reaches the pointWhere a large portion of the populationFeels like they're no longer in controlAnything anymoreThey may just switch that into themselvesAnd then maybe that portionOf the world or populationReally isn't doing anythingThat's productive for the common goodI'm wondering if you have any thoughts aboutIf we reach that pointAnd what the world might look likeIf we reach that pointYeah, I think the common goodIs definedIt could be very narrowly definedLike anything we can put a dollar valueOr a KPI or whatever onThen of courseIt's true what you saidThat maybe people will feel lessAttached to those traditionalLike dollar value, common goodsOn the other handThe sustainable targetsAlso includes veryBroswals of cultural values as wellLike punishment for the common goodsAnd that allows for a lot of creativityFor example just portrayingReally how the climate change affects usThat costs for a huge amount of creativityAnd that extends beyondJurisdictional boundariesBecause carbon emissions doesn't careAbout geographical boundaries anywayIt creates a lot of opportunityFor cross-cultural dialogueAnd that's the ability to listenAn ability to convey ideas acrossPurchaseThat is something thatAI currently can't automateSo they can get the dictionaryTranslations rightBut they can't get the cultural nuancesRight yetSo before we hit the pointWhere the quantum computersIn that science fiction territoryWithin the next 10 years or 20 yearsI still think that this abilityTo listen and to convey acrossCulture, cultural bridgesThat is still a major sourceOf the society's productivityIt's just we have to shift fromA industrial age point of viewWhere service is subservientTo product makingTo a pure service oriented viewWhere there really is no productBut just the service ofCarrying and creating meaningAnd cultureAnd if viewed that wayI think a lot of people will feelThat there's some of their lived experiencesThat they want to conserveAs well as convey to a wider populationOf people just look at how manyPeople became YouTubersEven when they're very old nowThey still enjoyStarting their own live streaming stationsAnd we have a lot of that in TaiwanMaybe because you only have to pay15 euros per monthFor a limited bandwidthBut that's I thinkCultural makingSo previously it was strongParticipate in this kind of cultureBecause they feel that it createsShutting meaningOK, last questionYesAre there anyNew or fun interesting ideasThat we can useSoftware or technology to doWe assigned this schoolIs there anything that you'd really likeTo see happenSure, actually there'sA experiment that I didBefore I become a digital ministerWhich is using augmented realityFor teachingSpecifically I ask a fewSchools to do a 3D scan3D modeling of their classroomAnd then I put on liveAt that time it's still wiredAnd kind of not very mobileBut now you can take it anywhereAnd then when I put onThe VR headsetI just feel that I amPhysically present in the sameMadrid or in some other cityAnd I actually interactWith the students' avatarsAnd they can actuallyExperience the otherPeople in other classroomsBy overlaying the classroomsTogetherAnd it's nowActually very easy to doIt's a lot of freeSoftware to do thatAnd so when you doThen things displayI think what MinervaIs trying to doWhich is a city as a campusIt's based on the ideaThat you first have toHave some shared living experiencesFor people to feelThat their capstone projectsAre really having an impactTo the societyBut if you do thingsThrough augmented realityThe cost can be massively loweredSo that you can goTo the non-municipal placesBecause a lot of existingCurriculum designIs still based onFiberoptic connectionAnd that really limitsThe virtual classroomsYou can connect toSo likely it's alreadyCity centersAnd all theMetropolis feelVery roughly the same anywayBut with 5G technologyYou can connectTo the most rural placesYou can connect toThe Yushan mountainAnd so onYou just send aRobotic avatarOr even a floating droneAnd everybodyFeel that they areOn top of YushanAnd then people canReally have a muchMore in-depth discussionAbout say geographyAbout say climate changeAbout say environmental productionAnd things likeSo a virtual classroomThat's based onSomewhere in realityNot an entirelyLike abstractA hallucinated classroomBut justTransporting peopleTo an excursionTo a placeThat is very difficultTo reachVF is the mainIt's like theHologram wrote inStar TrekThat's rightThe holodeckThat's rightThe holodeckI think it's greatFor educationYeah, I was thinkingAbout this becauseI was thinkingWhat are young peopleInterested in?I only seeA small portion of themBut they areInterested in gamesYesBut what kind of gamesAre they interested in?A lot of themBut they're stillInterested in roleplaying gamesWhere they feel likeThey are somebodyAnd they can be somebodyExactlySo I was thinkingSome studentsAre not too happyOr too motivatedAbout learning contentMatterOr participating in schoolBecause there'sAlways a moreInteresting alternativeAvailable to themThere's the virtual worldThere's the RPG worldThere's the table talkingYes, that tooSo I was wonderingIf there was a wayTo useTo gamify school basicallyIt's not just gradesThat are givenLet's sayGold coinsOr scores or somethingBut actuallyBuilding a well-roundedIndividualCaring about other peopleWill result in a level upMaybe helping your friendsWill result in a level upDoing things in artsAnd cultureWill result in a level upAnd thenWith this sort of programBecause today's kidsAre very visualThey're used to seeing thingsIn this kind of grading systemOr like bar graphsOr somethingAnd a lot of the timeYou ask themHey, how are your studies going?And they don't knowTo answer youBecause they really don't knowBut if you couldIf you could visualize itFeel skill treeOr something like thatIf you could visualize itFor them, they mightActually feel more ownershipOf their own productionAnd learningHas anybody everI'm sure people haveLook into itHas any companyOr any organizationActually buildsWell forOnline learningProgramIt's already the normTo talk to code.orgI didOr a kind of academyOr the usual systemsThey're already usingThis kind of unlockSpecific skillsA tree of skillsRPG way to shapeAnd there's evenLike the code combatThat literally ask youTo enter intoRPG and resin codeI'm wonderingDoobies actuallyLook like gamesYeah, they doBecause the otherThe flip side of this isI would likeTheir productionTheir skill treesOr their experience pointsOr whateverTo actually haveMeeting in the real worldSo they can bring it back inBecause I try hardBecause I study hardBecause I help other peopleSo I gainSocial capitalI gain gold coinsAnd with this capitalI can in turnDo good thingsIn the real worldFor my friendsOr treat them to some chocolateOr actually donateTo charityYeah, I think it'sVery good thatWe connectThe friends that we metWhich we already haveSocial capital withIn the online gaming worldTo face to face gatheringsAnd I basicallyVearned theMy English vocabularyWith the car thingMod magic the gatheringAnd nowadaysNowadaysIt's played online as wellBut people stillMeet face to faceTo enjoy this physicalCart playing experienceAnd as aMPG playerI can literally travelTo many places in the worldAnd find like-minded peopleTo enjoy a set of gamesEven though we haveNever met beforeAnd it'sMore cultural than, say, chessBecause while you canCertainly translateThe chess piecesTo different cultural meaningsThere's only so many chess piecesBut the artworkThe magicThe translationOf the magic rule textAnd all theInteresting fantasy settingsThese can carryDifferent cultural normsAnd so there'sDifferent magic setsBuild in, say, the GreekOr the ArabicOr the JapaneseOr whateverDifferent culturesSo people alsoFeel like they travelOver the worldJust simply by playingThis card gameAnd so I thinkMany of the communitiesThey may start online nowBut if they resultIn face to face meetingsIf they resultIn physical meetupsIf they resultIn more travelTo do something togetherThen that isThe translationInto realityThat you are referring toBut if there isNo offline counterpartThen of courseIt may reinforceIsolations and meansThe reason I'm askingThat is becauseI've been shoppingThis idea aroundFor a long timeAnd I knowIt's technologically possibleSureBut then I'mGetting a lot of pushback tooSay, yeah, you can do thisBut it's all extrinsic motivationThey're gonnaThis and thatBut it doesn't followSychologySychology studiesAnd things like thatAnd I don't knowYou meanYou mean my craftNo, I meanGame of fightingAnd have youWashed moneyWall beforeSo basicallyGiving everythingOf valueYeah, butWhat I'm sayingIs thatIt's mechanism designSo if youDesign the mechanismSo that youNudge, I thinkDoes the wordTo a linear value systemThen people will feelIt's extrinsicYes, that's rightBut if it's aI think thatJergen is an open worldGameLike MinecraftActually a good exampleOr if it'sAllows for many innovativeSolutionsWhile beingCresponding toSome part of realityLike the world of GoogleIt's very goodFor teaching physicsBut you can be very creativeAbout how you apply physicsSo in theseSandbox gamesBut there reallyIs no extrinsicLinear systemThere's manySystems in itBut people have toForge their own valuesOut of thosePositionsSo if youUse exclusivelyOpen the worldSandbox gamesI don't thinkThese critiquesWould haveAnything in gamesYeah, I basically thinkSchool shouldn'tReally be aboutTeaching contextBecause you can goOnline and find itIn five secondsI think school shouldBe a sort of structureWhere we canEncourage and nudgeYoung people to growIn ways thatAre commonly acceptedAs attractiveAnd goodAnd good for the townAnd become betterJust meet manyCommunitiesRightAnd if we did thatSo basicallyThere's endless waysThat you canCreate valueAnd if you canCreate valueThen of courseYou get pointsYou get pointsYou get whateverBut there's lots of peopleSo totally againstThe idea of givingScoresOr coinsOr rewardsThat they justShut off to this ideaYeah, but I thinkThey worry becauseIt seemed likeOne value would dominateOver the othersThat you would sacrificeThe other valuesEven creatingNegative externalitiesJust to getThat single valueThat single coinAnd for exampleThis isA very gamified systemRight, this is theSustainable development goalsYou have it at school tooThat's rightI meanIt's literally169 quantified targetsAnd in 17 categoriesAnd soEach oneYou can argueIs gamifiedBut it's gamifiedIn a broad enough wayThat people can feelThat whicheverOf the 17 valueThat you care most aboutYou also bringValue to the other 16Value systemsAnd that's importantSo I thinkIt's not aboutNot projecting thingsIn a quantified wayIt's rather aboutNot to the exclusionOf everythingSo I thinkIf you start designingSo that you canClimb the ladderOf at least17 differentValue systemsLike theSustainable goalsThen I thinkIt's a very balanced designNobody would be against thatI'll have to invite youTo talk to someOther people again thenOkay, sureI'm happy toDo theInvestigorshipFor the sustainable goalsOkayI'm more concernedAbout justGeneral educationYeahCan we have timeFor one more questionYeah, sure, sureMaybe we canTake a look at number threeSureI know that you've helpedShape some partsOf the current education systemIn the curriculumYeahBut people's thoughts die hardThere's stillA large populationA large swathOf the populationAnd stillThink rather traditionallyYeah, sureBecause they were educatedBefore the new curriculumYesAre there anyPhilosophicalOr directionalDisagreements you haveWith current thoughtNot current designBut actuallyThe current thoughtOf society as a wholeBut you justHave to readThe new curriculumTo see thoseChange of directionsIn particularI thinkThe focus onLinear projectionsBased on theWhatever disciplinesI thinkThat is the mainDisagreementOf the currentThoughtsAnd the new curriculumThe new curriculumTalk aboutThe idea of autonomyWhich is essentially sayingIf the student finds somethingInterestingAn interesting problem to solveIt may beEnvironmental societyOr economicInstead of confining themTo different disciplinesWhich is like constellationsIn a starThere's many constellationsBut that is justOne way to memorizeThe starsAnd every cultureIs their ownDifferent wayTo sort the starsBut previouslyWe kind of confinePeople to their majorOr their mainInterestAnd that's like a constellationAnd then we rankAnd judge peopleBased on thatBut a trulyCross-disciplinary approachWould be startFrom the basic questionThat you would likeTo inquireAnd essentiallyMake your own constellationBecause there may beSome nearby starsHereAnd some nearby starsI meanThese are the sharedKnowledgeWisdomIn the civilizationBut they may beLabeled differentlyAnd so thisCross-disciplinaryOr even anti-disciplinary wayI think it's theMain philosophyBehind the newCurricular designBut by and largeI would sayNot only TaiwanThe entire worldMay not beThat interdisciplinaryCertainly notHigher educationAnd this higher educationAnd also beingTransformedTo be moreCastle-basedTo allow peopleTo driftBetween differentDepartmentsTo have a majorNot in a departmentBut rather inA institutionOr rather evenCross-institutionsAnd that isHappening as we speakBut it happens slowlyBut I thinkThere's a strongMotivation for peopleTo thinkBeyond existingDisciplinaryBecause these Merge so quicklyNowThere'sWhat used to beVery stableDisciplinary boundariesMay changeIn 12 yearsAnd may changeBefore the 12 yearsBut if weLook at a basic educationAnd train peopleIn a linear wayAnd that's becomeIntely automatedOr merged intoSome other disciplineThey will feelActually a suffererOf dignityWhen they findWhatever they haveIdentified withHas disappearedBut if they startFrom their personal inquiryThen all of theseMergesYou knowAssistive intelligenceThat helps them alongThe missionAnd that isWhy common goodIs the core competenceAre you getting anyPushback from establishedSchool or educationAdministratorsOr is anybody complainingLike I just don'tHave the manpowerOr my manpowerIsn't properly trainedTo executeYeah, I thinkTraining is very importantAnd that is whyWe're not rolling outIn the curriculumTo upgradeSummitinessWe're only rolling outFor the firstFor the seventhAnd for the tenthGreatAnd it will takeSix yearsFor everybody toWitness thisGradual transitionSo I thinkThat's practicalAnd we do getPushbacksEspecially aroundMaybe the fourthTo sixthGreatWhich is traditionallyWhen you startBeing a moreTransitionBeing a morePlayful coachInto a moreGradualRight, exactlySo thatIs maybe the hottestBut they willOnly have toChangeFour years, five yearsDown the roadI rememberThere's many peopleTalking about this of courseAnd I thinkIt was Ken RobinsonOr somebody who saidPasically everybodyWants to changeBut we can'tChangeBecause universitiesStay the sameWe are actuallyWe've alreadyChanged the University ActSo that教育學院的學生們可以參與設立一個教育學院讓他們可以掌握學校學校的學生學生們的學生完成了兩個學生所有的學生已經在教育學院了就算是學生們會喜歡這一個新的方式作為學生因為那時候學生們不需要學生們不需要學生可以進入學生學校的學生有兩個方式一是學生們在學生的學生學生們不需要學生們的學生就像你所做的學生的學生所以這是一個機會另一個是學生們在學生們的學生學生在學生學校就是學生是學生有些學生他們只是在學生學校經營的學生就那麼多學生們能不能我們來自高 school or university我覺得這是一個大問題在今天的經濟人們嗯嗯嗯對 但在自由藝術的已經是個個案如果有了學生的學生在藝術、中文的藝術上已經是個個案了所以我們就要接受有更多的東西在於製造、設計、衛生而不斷地進行計劃因為這些是外國人我的想法是我覺得這些東西可以改變但他們不能改變一人而他們不能改變在非常堅持的和非常堅持的對 非常堅持它應該會被判斷社會 或至少一群人我完全 agree它應該被判斷對 所以它會成為環境影響和經濟影響如果它能夠受到大部分的人都可以OK you passThat's rightI totally agree但這也會要求基本上是一種改變在社會的想法中以及他們的教育以及他們的訓練所以社會要成為在教育中的營業再次改變對社會能夠移動到我們已經看過我們在大學社會責任的學校以及在大學學校的學校學校這些學校是特別設計的所以學生的作用並非是藝術技術而是環境影響這是一部分社會和經濟影響對社會的影響這是好因為社會和經濟影響和經濟影響並非在社會上工作而是也許是社會貸款和社會貸款和社會貸款等等所以我覺得這就是對社會貸款已經有進行三年了OK很好你的時間有多大對有任何問題或有任何的問題你問過的學生當然所以在我們的節目中是最好的我通常使用Slide-O或S-L-I-D-O我可以設定我自己的連結我會勉強每個父母和他們的研究問我問題和他們的電話這有兩件事第一件有時候我會問在你家人的面前需要不同的社會合作這讓我問過的問題但這真的有時間這真的有時間是一項計劃請準備計劃我會設定我的電話第二件事是因為Slide-O是一項計劃或是一項計劃可能有些問題關於你的問題例如當我在我認為是中山大學他們的選擇因為他們可以選擇他們的選擇是讓我們繼續投放我們的軟件這些問題不會經常給你問但最終會給你一張照片你們每天都會思考的照片雖然我不能回答但是還好是個好事是一項計劃能夠討論這也有程序這是一個網絡可以去網絡我會打開連結你可以試試我覺得是很好的是你的長期比較長的時間也有Essentially reutilizes the mobile phone of students as part of the classSo they can still like each other's questionThey can still write things downBut then that satisfies their screen addictionAnd it won't be distracted to other social mediaBecause it's the class-specific social mediaAnd that also really helps the attention spot of studentsThat's my first hand experienceI think what I heard from Ken about Minerva's systemWas that their system actually observes how often you ask questionsAnd the quality of your questionsAnd even if you're looking at the personThat's right, that's right, pleaseThe attention focusBut I think there are more introvert peopleThat would focus on something that's unmovingRather than meeting somebody's gazeAnd I think it's just a different personality configurationAnd so we should be as inclusive as possibleAnd also let them focus on their phonesLet's still contribute to the discussionI wonder if it'll in the end just developTowards the thing that we're all the most afraid ofIs that people will only look at their phones in the futureYeah, sure, sureBut on the other hand, I think if we designThe applications on their phonesSo that they serve as something that supportsThe face-to-face meetingsThen people will see on their phoneWhat's coming nextAnd that gives them assuranceAnd then they will have more timeAnd attention for conversationsSo I think what's showing on their phoneIs really key, if it's pro-socialThen that's goodAnd if it's anti-socialIn the sense that everybody is playing their own gameThen of course that's fineOkay, I'll have to take a look at this website thenOkayThank youIs there aI've told you about my target audienceMostly parents, some studentsIs there a target audience that you would really like toI'm sure you can alreadyBut for this particularIs there an audience that you really want to reachNo, I think it's up to youYou're the bestAnd how public would you like this to beWould you like it to be open to the general publicWhere would you like it to beWell, if it was just my school holding itThen it would probably be at schoolBut our space is actually not very bigLast time we had a talkI'm guessing we had about60 to 80 people in the audienceBut that's a good sizeIt allows for more real-time conversationBut it's quite packedOf course, if I brought this to my bossAnd I saidHey, we are ready to do thisAnd open to the publicHe's okay that my boss will be likeOkay, I'm going to rentTo the national music hall or somethingI actually talk in the Taichung Opera HouseSo, yesI'm familiar with the arts, I thinkAnd also the Taipei, I thinkContemporary ArtThe TFAM or something like thatSo, but the Fine Art MuseumSo, I'm okay with you renting a museumBut it doesn't have to be thatBecause we can livestream itSo, we can keep the face-to-faceTo your parents and studentsMostlyBut if they have like overseas friendsThat they would like to dial inAnd ask questions and things like thatWe can sayOh, we're livestreaming thisSo, if you're not a VISAlum or parent or whateverThen please dial inAnd you can still ask questionsOver the internet through this live systemOkaySo, of courseWe would like to have a Q&AFire site chatBut you said thatWorkplace in the futureWould be the topicThat you might just start off asThat's rightMaybe you start asking meA few questions about thatAnd I explain about my workplaceWhich is pretty futuristicAnd then we go from thereOkayAlrightAndWould it be possible to getSome pictures that you like of yourselfSo we can start creating someYeah, of courseAnd I have many photosFree of copyright restrictionsAnd SD can't send you all of theseIf someone picks up a flickerAnd of courseWe will write up a short introductionWe'll let your office and yourselfTake a look at itAnd say this is okayAnd then we'll send it outAlrightAnything you want from JapanMy wife is in Japan right nowOh, really?YeahIn ChibaOh, okayNo, it's fineThis has just come very oftenAlrightMy wife actually specificallyAsked me for a picture with youIs that okay?Okay, of courseRight, so that's itOkay, she'll pull this systemIt's selfie timeYes