 Our applicants is here now at the app. Yeah, they're on zoom. They're on this virtual on zoom. Oh, okay. Okay. So they're start and we have a member of the public here. Let's go ahead and start. Call the meeting. Okay. Um, board member board. Board member Carney is absent. Board member fennel. Here. Board member Klein is absent. Board member marzlin. Here. Vice chair Gary. Here. Here. Let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of board member carney and board member Klein. I can welcome everybody to tonight is a special business meeting. And so it'll be a little bit of an abbreviated agenda as we're just going to be dealing with one item on the agenda tonight. So item to board business. I'm just going to go ahead and open and close for business. We won't deal with any business tonight. I'll move on to item 2.1 statement of purpose. I will read that principal duties of the board include undertaking and updating historic inventories or surveys recommending designation of landmarks and preservation districts reviewing proposed alterations to historic buildings and promoting public wellness of preservation issues. If you are in a historic district or would like more information regarding historic districts, please see the processing review procedures for owners of historic districts or historic properties. So item number three statement of abstention by board members. Basically, if you have a reason why you need to recuse yourself from this item that we're going to be looking at this would be the time to speak up. Not saying anyone will close right into right into our scheduled item tonight. This will be public caring for landmark alterations for a new single family dwelling at 912 McDonald Avenue file number LMA 22-016. The background construction construct new one story 1873 square foot three bedroom home with attached garage a pump well house or a well house and covered outdoor area. The project is exempt from California environmental quality act. And I will add for the board members that this is a new building. So it's not a historic structure that's being remodeled it's it's new building on on new ground. And we have the presentation being made to us tonight by Christiana. Good evening members of the board and chair amuse here today I'll be going over the mail residents and they're up here for the major landmark alteration which is PRJ 22-027. This is at 912 McDonald Avenue. Here's some of the project descriptions so this is going to be a new one story on an undeveloped lot in the McDonald Avenue preservation district. To me 1873 square foot single family dwelling with three bedrooms and two and a half baths is going to be a detached to car garage the welcome house and then a outdoor cover area. This site is not a contributor to the district as it is undeveloped. For the project history this was submitted last year on October 10. We held a neighborhood meeting and then we also did concept cultural heritage with all of you that were present. And then we did a notice of public hearing on December 3 this year and then today is the public hearing for this item. This location the general plan by new designation is those density residential and the zoning is in a plan development which is PD 005 dash H or mainly single family homes. So this is the first round I'm going to show you can see all of the landscaping that is going to be proposed and then what the design of the house is and we'll go into some detailing. Here's the materials and colors. You can see some of what they're going for with paint and the wood style and some of the roof shingling. Here is the site plan. You'll see McDonald Avenue is actually on the left and then that alleyway is behind on the right. There's going to be a walkway going around and then you'll see the outdoor patio area and the car to car garage that leads to the alley. As well as the well pump house in the back. Here is the house floor plan showing all of the bedrooms and the dining area. And I'll be showing some of the elevations. Oh sorry. Here's the backyard floor plan. So this is where the garage the outdoor covered area is located. Now here's the front elevation. And you can see the design matching some of the similarities in the McDonald Avenue district and some more elevations on different locations. And this is also showing for the accessory structures as well as the way it fronts the alleyway. They also provided the landscape plan. One thing I want to know is that the front trees were changed as per some comments from the cultural heritage board there previously. Going to do create murals in the front on the street frontage and now it's going to be income is as requested. Here's a composite rendering of how it looks like as it would be built within the street. The project they also had to complete a historic standards report. This report reviewed the environmental quality, California environmental quality act the secretary of interior standards of rehabilitation. Those standards covered basically everything that needs to be reviewed for historic buildings and historic construction. They also were viewed under the National Park Service guidance as well as the center as a design guidelines for historic properties. They also have the processing procedures for owners of historic properties. And then there's additional history of the district and the site and then architectural compatibility of the primary and accessory structures with the district. And also wanted to point out like the setbacks were also looked at as they would follow the other houses in the neighborhood. The findings of this report is stating that they would follow within the character of the district. And so many of the design quality that they have are things that you would see surrounding in the neighborhood and as the district as a whole. These are some of the require these are the required findings for a major landmark alteration permit. We have eight standards. Just looking at the general plan and the zoning code and how it is compatible with different landmark structures in the neighborhood and maybe ones that look like contribute that are contributors. And then consistency and compatibility with some other textures and materials. They were viewed under California environmental quality act and the qualified for a streamlining measure pursuant to one California, sorry, sequence section 15183. A general plan consistency analysis was conducted for this plan, and it was concluded that it was consistent with the general plan 2035. It was further concluded that none of the findings under the appendix guideline G require any additional environmental review with 15183. There are no mitigation required to be on implementation of the general plan policies. There are no unresolved issues as a result of staff review. I did want to indicate some of the issues that did come up during the project. We needed to receive the historic standards report and a cultural resources study. We received those and they all are in compliance. After the concept cultural review, we had some updates to the landscape plans and then the, they changed some of the windows to be one cloud per the historic report, and then we also have to get the consistency analysis. And then we received the consistency. Yeah, the general plan consistency analysis. Okay, thank you. I received two public comments. After this presentation was created. They were both positive and support of the project one of them was just a little bit concerned about how close they might be to the alleyway but I was able to assure him that it was following all of our requirements and that is following some of the other browsers that are on alleyways as well so there was no direct issue and then the other ones were the neighbors to the south that are happy to have a house built on this location. The planning and economic development department that the zoning, I'm sorry, I don't want to zoning administrator cultural heritage board approval major landmark alteration permit to allow the construction of a new single family home and accessory structures that 912 McDonald Avenue. And for any questions, my name is Christian Candelaria and I'm a city planner for the planning and development department and my information is listed. And that should be the end of my presentation. I think what we'll do tonight is I'll next move to if the applicant would like to, you know, zoom in or say anything. Then I'm going to open up public comment. And then after public comment. I'll bring it back to the board for just questions and clarification from the board to staff and the applicant. And then after we get done with questions, then we'll go around the board and get our comments and then move towards our final action. So that's kind of a statement. So let's go to the applicant if they would like to say anything or make presentation. Yes, good evening. Oops, I just see my name on the screen. Good evening. I wish I could be there with you. I didn't want to infect anyone with my cold. And I'm, I'm really appreciate that you're having this special meeting just to review the plans for the house. I'm so excited to move back. Hopefully. Susan, can I interrupt you just, can you just introduce yourself and share who you are real quick. Thank you. Sorry about that. My name is Susan Merrill. I am the applicant who would like to build a house in the neighborhood where I was born and raised and where my family's had a presence since 1917. And I just thank you for having this special meeting tonight. I really appreciate that. I'm so excited to be able to move back to the neighborhood, I hope. So thank you very much. Thank you, Susan. Jeff, we can see that you're unmuted. If you wish to make a comment about the project. Sure. Yeah, this is Jeff. We were the architectural firm that had the privilege of preparing these drawings for Susan. She jumped the gun and just got started with her enthusiasm. So I'll leave it there. And we're also excited to present this house and have Susan be able to build it and go back to this neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. So with that, let's go ahead and open up public comment. I have a comment. Please. Yes, my name is Doug Bosco. And I live at 1020 McDonald Avenue, which is the next block north of this proposal proposed home. And I probably know this lot better than anyone because of the kindness of the Merrill's who allowed us to use this lot as a community garden for in my case over 20 years. And our name, many neighbors use that lot. I actually could have sold it many times because every time I was in the garden, people say, is this lot for sale? I didn't own it, of course. My wife and I want to 100% support. Susan Merrill in this project. That family is wonderful. They already have been a major part of our neighborhood as Commissioner Garrett can testify to. And I think they will be very happy in this home. And they've made a lot of us very happy in the past. So I'm just here to 100% support the Merrill's in this project. Thank you very much for your constant Moscow. Seeing no other members of the public who would like to speak. My name is Steve Fuanas. I'm actually the landscape architect on the project. And just from getting to know Susan and previous work with Farrell favor. I think they put together a really great project and I'm in full support and just want to be here to say that. Thank you very much. Okay, I'll close public comment. Okay, come back to the board. Do board members have questions or clarifications? They would like to ask either staff or the applicant or you can even ask if Susan still on. We could probably ask her as well. Okay. Vice chair Garrett. I'm sorry. I always have questions. But first Susan, if you're still there, it's really exciting to have this lot be built upon by your, especially by you. And by the family. I remember looking at plans. I don't know, 20 years ago, they that by your dad had done for this lot. And unfortunately, he didn't want to work with us. And I think he held the grudge against me for the rest of his life. Yeah, I'm really happy that you're doing this. My question is to, I guess, to you, Christian. The gable window in the attic. How is that going to be treated. It's a window to an unfinished space. And so my question is, it's not going to, it's going to have clear glass. Can it, can we ask that have the same or are appropriate window. Covering on the inside that similar to whatever's going to be on on the rest of the inside of the house. So it doesn't look odd. I think staff might be able to comment on that window a little better. Yes, so we would, the proposed method is to install the window, the window itself would match all the detailing of the other windows. And behind that window would be a black painted piece of wood so that you would not see into the, to the attic space. Okay. Can I add a comment to, so what I thought actually to use a shade, because as we all know, McDonald's Avenue is very busy at Halloween and so I thought it would be fun to do something in that window like I don't know a silhouette of a witch or something at Halloween. But for the most part, I would use, I would have a shade so that there's no glare or nothing can be seen out but for holidays. I thought it would be make it festive to do. Great idea Susan, I think the end result here is we would block it out so that it's not viewable into any of the internal components of the home, whether a shade or some other method, but that's a great idea Susan. Okay, I think that's my question for now. I may have more later. I have a question for staff. When we talk about it having a well house. Is that a decorative or it's an actual there's an actual working well that's been allowed in city. Yeah. They could explain a little more but I think they wanted to use a little bit for landscaping purposes. Everybody on the street has a well. And that has had a well for, I don't know how long, there's always been a well back where they were closing it. So it'll be a working well. Yeah, okay. They kept a lot of our wells that we're working in, in the Burbank Gardens neighborhood. They kept them. Yeah. A lot of them were not allowed to be continued so that was just I didn't know whether it was a decorative building or whether we're calling it a well house. It's going to be a well charming and yeah, okay. Wonderful. No questions clarification. Okay, we're just going to we're going to move then on to comments and I'm just going to kind of do a roll call with comments. And I'm going to start with Vice Chair Garrett. So this is your opportunity now to basically. I will remind people you can talk about what you like about the project, as well as what you don't like about the project. It's always nice to hear both. I'm appreciative of the project. I very much appreciate the landscape having changed to be more appropriate for that for the street. Thank you. I don't know what your name is down there, but thank you. And thank you for the ginkgo trees. They're spectacular as you may have noticed on the street at this time I'm here. Basically, I only have a couple issues with the house itself. I didn't realize a concept that you are considering. And I guess Jeff and answer this. Is that okay to have an answer a question that I have? Sure. Or Jeff or Susan if you're still there. I have an issue with the Hardy board siding. It would be the only house in the entire McDonald district with Hardy board siding. And the newer houses, some of which are only probably eight years old, maybe 10, have all got lap siding. So I would I would like to see lap siding. It's more appropriate for that kind of architecture in this particular neighborhood. I appreciate the change to the woodclad windows and the only other issue with the woodclad windows are the Moyans. The Moyans are sandwiched between two panes of glass and I would like to see and I know they're available with the exterior grid. So it looks more like a true divided light. There are no others in the neighborhood that are true divided lights. So that's one issue. The other issue is with the light fixture. I would like to see a more traditional this is traditional architecture that's been presented to us and I would like to see a light fixture that's in that same historic, you know, like a lantern or something not a multifaceted glass fixture. But other than that, I think the project is great. And I hope we can get it moving as quickly as possible. Could you explain that window? What exactly you were talking about? Yes, so it's a that the windows are, they have the panes of glass, which you can see on the plans. And instead of being wood there, they have a plastic grid that goes between two sheets of glass. So it just doesn't look like a real traditional divided light, but they do make those same windows. Well, they make them with true divided lights. But the other way to go is with the grid on the outside and on the inside, but not sandwiched in the middle. And that looks more like a true divided light. So that's what I would be asking for. Chair Muser, if we're beginning deliberation, I believe you need a motion on the floor to start deliberating. Okay. So someone can make a motion. Do we need that or for making comments? Yeah, I think, I think. Okay, I guess. Yeah, we should. We should call. What, what we need right now then is from one of the board members to make a motion to approve resolution. Our file number LMA 22 dash. 202 301. Yeah, 016. This one does the old one. So file number would be PRJ 22 dash 027. You might have the child number, which is LMA 22 dash 016. Sorry, it's a little confusing. Okay. I wonder about this resolution number. What is it under? Maybe you could, would you be interested in making a resolution? Oh, and here's the file number. Okay. Yeah, I, I move. Well, I make, I make a motion that way. I don't know how you say that because we're going to be adjusting. Well, so you would, you would propose an emotion and then you could suggest a friendly amendment to the resolution to include the items that you listed, and then we would need a second. But I don't, I have to read through all this stuff. It was the reading of the text. Yes, just the, the caps. Yeah. First part, then wait the reading of the text. I move that we accept the resolution of the cultural heritage board of the city of Santa Rosa, perving landmark alteration permit for the Merrill residents located at 912 McDonald Avenue McDonald in the McDonald Avenue preservation district. Assessors parcel number 180670 033 file number PRJ 22 dash 027. So we have, and I weigh the most I weigh the reading of the text. Okay, so we have a motion on the floor made by Vice Chair Garrett and a second by Board Member Fennel. So now we can open discussion and so some of the things that you brought up, you can, you can offer those up as friendly amendments to the resolution. So I guess that would come under D. So I am offering and hit this process and I'm, I'm offering an amendment. Does there need to be a motion for those friendly men? This would be a separate motion. So you so we have a motion on the table. Now you're amending the motion to add. Oh, okay. So I move to mend the emotion that motion. For approval under section D. So, I think you just say specifically what what you specifically see true lap sighting in place of party board. And I don't know how exterior or millions for the windows, rather than the grid between the two panes of glass, and and a more appropriate light fixture than the contemporary one that doesn't feel appropriately with that style of architecture. And then if Ms. Fennel agrees she can second the friendly amendment. Second that applicant. It's up to the chair if you want to hear the applicants. Yeah, I wouldn't mind if Susan wouldn't mind weighing on the friendly amendments that were made. Thank you. I understand the, the, the desire to have everything as historic as possible. I'm, I guess I don't understand enough about lap sighting except the house I grew up in on Spring Street had it and it was a pain to maintain course that was also really old, really old lap sighting. So with respect to the window, the grids. Am I correct in understanding that you want it outside and not inside. Not, not between the two pains. Right. There can be a false million on the inside and a false million on the outside. Okay. Well, it looks like it's a real divided glass from both the inside and the outside. I completely understand that too with the French doors we had where I grew up and having it like that. So it from my perspective, it's, it's all right to do that. It's, it's just more maintenance with that kind of thing. And what was the third, the light fixture, not a problem to change that. Thank you. And I like your idea of the window sharing. There is a quick clarification on the sighting please. Because these terms can be used interchangeably. When you say not hardy but lap sighting. Is it you do not want a cementitious fiber. Sighting you want it to be real wood, or the plants call for lap sighting so it isn't it is drawn as lap sighting. I just like to ascertain what specifically you would like to see. So it isn't like a big board. Often the hardy board stuff is like two and 11 signing, you know, a big board that you put up and, and tack some molding around. And then they make all kinds of now, they make a lot of historically correct that's me. That's hard. That's hardy board. Yeah. It'll look like wood planks solid, lapped. So it'll look like natural wood. But it'll have those funny lines. No. And I have a process question just to get us deeper into the weeds. The sighting doesn't bother me. It isn't a deal breaker material or the material any way that I mean what they have specified this being a not a if it was a historic home that we're remodeling would be a big deal to me. it's not going to be a contributor in the neighborhood. So to me, as long as it has a flavor that fits in the neighborhood, and I think it does. Yeah. I don't have a problem with that. So- Is it a concrete? Is it a concrete? It's a very stable material that- In boards, right? It's in long boards. At least so. Yeah. You can correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't seen it before. Yeah. I just haven't seen it. So I thought it was that I would- So with the initial motion and the amended motion with a second, when we come to the final motion, I don't want to be voting restricting what kind of citing they can put on. I'm fine with what's been allocated in the existing plans. So I think you can propose an alternative motion or vice-chair could- Well, could we see a, is there a picture of this material on the internet that we could see? Like, I think that if we could put the picture of the- Those laps. That's what lap is. Yeah. Put it on the material board. If you could, you know what I mean. The board is just getting out of the material, which is a very stable material. That's one job. It looks like wood. It's printed. It's got a little bit of a change to it. OK, I'm fine with that. I am not fine with those pieces of plywood that they're protected. That's not that. It even has wood grain texture to it. Maybe. When it's painted, it'll look like wood. Yeah, so could- Well, yeah, that could take us into the weeds even more. Yeah, that's crap. I mean, I don't mean to. I don't. It's far resistant. If you can specify that they beat individual boards and not. Yeah, so, yeah, if they're individual boards. It's horizontal lap siding is what it is. And they're smooth rather than rough. Yeah. OK, yeah. And that's my tool. Would Vice Chair Garrett then need to amend her motion? Yes, if she's agreeable, yeah. I will amend my motion. Could we also get some more direction on the light fixture? Yeah, there are plenty of light fixtures that are just simple, clean. Thank you. I'll say it. If it's possible. Maybe. A craftsman. A craftsman or an or their English style ones. And, you know, they just have a pointed top and they have a bracket on the wall and they have a little thing like a hook that looks like you're hanging it. A tulip later. Is it like a tulip? Later. Yeah, I mean, there are plenty. There's one on. There's a brand new house on the corner and 16th and St. Alina. It's the newest house in the neighborhood. It's probably eight or 10 years old. And it has those clean. I mean, they're just simple lantern light fixtures. OK, that are metal and glass. So this is the light here that they proposed. So it's too contemporary. Is that your thought? For the architecture, I think, yeah. I think the house is very contemporary. I mean, the lines. Well, they're the same houses in the neighborhood that are 120 years old. There's not a lot of detail. I mean, it's all. Yeah, it's clean. Christian can share the spec. Can we leave some of these things as friendly amendments, as recommendations for them, the applicant, to then deal with? But it's just when this comes back to Christian to review at the building permit stage, I want him to feel confident that he can make a good decision on whether the light fixture meets your plan. Susan, are you still there? Yes, I am. So, Susan, do you feel comfortable that you could pick out a craftsman bungalow style light fixture rather than the more contemporary one that we have up on the screen now? Yes, actually, of the three we were looking at, one of them is more of a lantern type, so not a problem. OK, thank you. You're welcome. And then I'm fine with. I agree with you with the. And I believe the Anderson windows actually come with the millions on the outside, so which is so that that should be. So if you're willing to. Well, I think we have more. We have one person discuss and we're yeah. Well, first, I want to get back to I want to get back to her amendment, get that fixed, and then we'll bring in his other amendments. I will. OK, so can I amend my amendment? OK. To I will just say that the left siding. Be smooth. Yeah, I'm not going there either. You know, the rough ones are weird. I want. I'd like them to just pick whatever saying that they have. OK, that they have to say it's it's a new home. And as long as their boards and the. It is a new home, but I could have seen a contemporary home. Well, they allow it. They allow contemporary homes to be built in historic neighborhoods. That's one of the that was one of the. Yeah, and this is the secretary of the interiors allows a contemporary home to be built new. I know, our neighborhood. Yeah, OK. But you'll have to make your amendment. Yeah, I you know, and part of it to me was they came for concept review and we gave them concept review. They came back. They they achieved everything that we asked in concept. Or we did ask that they bring. Samples of the materials. I did. Yeah, this is where we're pretty far down the road for picking up material samples as far as in this particular case. Again, if this was a historic structure, I'd be right there with you, but it's not. It's a new building and the secretary, the interior allows for contemporary homes to be built on locks and historic neighborhoods have to approve it as long as it's. Yeah, we don't have to. You know, as a board, I mean, they can they can say, yes, you can allow that, but we don't have to, as a board, be pushed to to accept something. Right. Well, let's let's go here from some other board members. So. Board member more. Yeah, I have just a question. I'm looking at the composite rendering. So often we're right. Is that part of the property? Or a greenery right there? Or is that first one? That's about a 10 foot seven. Oh, OK. It's just hard to tell. Which portion is Larry? So this area here. Oh, on the far right, the light green. Yeah, I just. Is that that's part of the property? I'm just assuming. Let me go to a plan set real quick. And your question regarding that. I was just so that's just landscaping or. Yeah, that's part of the lot. Yeah, I'm putting the landscape and back on the screen. You'll see a lot of it is is the landscaping. They're at that southerly property line. There's a proposed native shrub hedge. I'm sorry. There's a row of hedges native shrubs at that property between the homes. Yeah, that clear. So that would be the tree money. Yeah, yeah. OK, there's an existing wood fence and then we would plant a bunch of shrubs along that for both privacy and for aesthetics and habitat. And butterflies. Question. You found a board member, Carney. Just commenting here. Yeah, I think it's a wonderful project. I think it looks really nice having grown up in the middle neighborhood. It's wonderful to see a home going in on that on that property. I take no issue with it. I find every aspect to be to be really nice. I do agree with Vice-Chair Garrett about the light fixture. If that's something that could be changed, it'd be great. But other than that, I. I mean, and it's not even a make or break for me. I think it's I think it's a great project. I think they really respected the neighborhood and the overall way the home fits inside the neighborhood. So yeah, that's I think it's great. I think Portman Carney and Portman Ramirez. I agree with Patrick. I think that the neighborhood is going to certainly benefit from this new home. And it's it's it is lovely. I drove by there today. It's a little more contemporary than I expected it to be. Um, but I went back and I read some more about I'm new on the committee. So about what what what is allowed and it's historic and contemporary styles are acceptable. And I think it's very contemporary. And I look at the house on either side, it does look very different. I'm not certain if some. Different sort of sighting along the top would make a difference like next door, there's scallops, you know. So I don't know if that would confuse the whole issue. But just it's very contemporary. It's lovely. It really is. I'm certain it will be a nice addition to the neighborhood. Board member fell. I also really like the project and it was it's nice to see that it came back. One of the things because I was there for the first meeting when they brought it and that didn't bother me then that bothers me now is the same. Um, material on that chimney as the house itself and that the district is, you don't see the same hardy backing board going up chimneys in. The McDonald neighborhood, there there is some kind of I'd love to see it mixed up with a little bit of stone or. I know that we don't like to see brick. Some something that's I just I think that part of it is so. I understand that it's a more modern house in that in that district and stuff. But I just it looks like a little bit too tracked home from for me just having that in it for some reason, I don't remember being bothered by it when I saw the plans initially, but seeing that it's the same material from the house going all the way up and then taking that all the way up on the chimney, it throws me there at least four other houses on the screen. I know and I've seen them and I just I think I I prefer them more. What are the material would you I would love to see, you know, a stone or brick. I would just something to break up that to break it up. I don't have a problem. Yeah, that's a first. That's right. I mean, it's that kind of house. It's a newer kind of. Yeah, but it is contemporary. It's like exactly how it has like five. But in the architectural limits, the other homes that are that size on the same team that there are brick one, there are homes with brick. And I think as a board, too, we can basically give Susan and you know, our our desires, but that at at a point, we'll have to decide whether that's going to, you know, keep you from approving. No, that's not keeping. I'm just asking if they would consider not that to me just makes it almost look like a home in a development that there are, you know, five different four plans and you choose which one you want. So that's it's a custom home. And that's the only thing that keeps it looking for like a custom home for me. I'd like to compliment the historical review. I thought it was very complete, very well done. I'd also like to compliment the staff report. I thought it was very well done. I appreciate the fact that they kept the garage in the back off the alley because none of the other houses have driveways down the side. I think the the heights and the size is proportional to the lot. It is interesting and probably what makes it stand out so much is you have a Victorian sitting next to it. Totally different architecture and craftsman is anti-fascist. Anti-Victorian, if you go look at the history of craftsman architecture, it is everything that a Victorian is not. So so it it's very much contrasting and it should be. I think the design is complimentary to other similar neighborhood structures. And I do believe that it does have, you know, a new home look, but that is that is allowable in historic neighborhoods. It's it's not ever going to be a contributor. It's not trying to be a contributor. It's just trying to fit a nicely with a nice nice neighborhood. So I support by Chair Garrett on her windows. I think that's a good motion. And I also support her on her life fixtures. I'm fine with letting the site and be designed as the architect has designed the site. So so unless anybody else has any other comments, we'll move back to by Chair Garrett, just in case she would like to amend her friendly amendments and then we'll go to vote. I thought I already did that. But we didn't start it. You started, but we didn't get a second. We didn't and we have to go back to board with her panel for a second. Well, let her do it first. Yeah, no, I don't want to fly. It's a big one. He's huge. Full fed. Somebody asked a snack. Maybe it's a drone. OK, I will. Can I stick you? I would still like to see it be not rough wood or fake wood. Any any comments from other board members on that? I have harder board in my house. I mean, I don't have a historical house, but it's the look. I know I'm fine with a hardy board when I'm now that I know that that's not a sheet. But textured hardy board. Yeah, textured. Yes. On the outside. Yes. So when it's painted, it looks like wood. It's just, you know, no one would be the wiser. OK, OK, thank you. So I would like to amend my amendment. I'm fine with the siding. However, I would like to see the windows have the millions. And that's all windows. All the windows, yeah. Is this a consider or a shall? So shall would be they would have to do or inconsiderate as it's up to them to them to. I think it should be done. It warrants it in this neighborhood for sure. I mean, this would be the only house in in the district. No, there's one other in the district that has millions on the outside. Otherwise, they're all two divided lights. Or their metal windows or their, I mean, you know, that the old, whatever, the leg one, whatever, supposedly leg windows. OK, yeah. Just so I know what you're talking about. You're talking about the black part in this rendering or the black part? The black part where the small pains are mimicking. And then the light. I would suggest that they choose a light fixture that's appropriate for the architect. And second. Sure, I was second. So we have a motion and then we have a second motion. And they with seconds. So. Take a vote. Yeah. OK. Miss Buckeye, if we could call for a vote. Board Member Boren. I. Board Member Carney. I. Board Member Fennell. I. Board Member Marceline. I. Vice Chair Garrett. I. Chair Meiser. I. So that motion passes with six eyes and board member Klein being absent. OK, thank you very much. With that, not seeing any other board. We'll call the meeting adjourned. Thank you all very much for being here. Thank you, Susan.