 Hey everyone, good morning, and welcome to a new day, new session as well. Let's begin this time with a word of prayer, and then we'll get into our session. Let's pray. Father, we thank you so much for giving us this opportunity once again to just come into your presence and learn. Pray God that you will speak to our hearts and that we will be rightly able to divide the word, understand your word and apply everything that we learn about into our lives and our ministries, and we will see the fruit in our lives, not by our own strength, but by our Holy Spirit. We thank you. We submit this time into your hands. In Jesus' name we pray. All right, so let's just do a quick review. Last class we completed in chapter one. We looked at understanding the vision of a sacred church. Then we look at what a cel-church is. It's a biblical pattern, meaning we're not doing something of our own understanding. In your testimony we see that cel-churches, cel-groups were functioning. And then we also looked at some of the characteristics of a cel-church, best way to recapture families, discipleship, mentoring, best means of pastoring and evangelism, and many other aspects. We also looked at some of the examples of cel-churches. A classic example is that of David Young Duccio, the Orido Full Gospel Church, and how he was able to take this vision of cel-groups. In a couple of years his church just grew exponential growth, right? He saw exponential growth. He saw multiplication of leaders, discipleship, mentoring. And so we ended last class by talking about will this concept, you know, you may say, hey, 1980s, 1990s, or even early 2000s, people didn't have anything to do. So they would come and sit in cel-churches or cel-groups. But what about now? 2024, will cel-groups well. And we talked about a few of that, right? Regardless of where we are, our cultural background, people by nature are, you know, we have built in a way to have relationships. We talked about that. And also secondly, we talked about how by nature, when we have a small setting, people are more open to sharing their thoughts and their life problems and things that sharing life with each other basically. Right? But we also looked at a few challenges. Long work hours, traffic, commute one place to another. Sometimes people don't want to meet anyone. You know, they just want to be independent. At one church on Sunday, I don't do anything more after that. So there will be these disadvantages. But in a sense, the cel-model, the cel-group model of the cel-church is something that can work in every city. Doesn't matter if it's 2024, whether it's 2034 or 2044. It is, it will work. Right? And so I want to encourage each one of us, right? We may already be in our ministries. We may be cel-group leaders, like group leaders that continue to build on that, right? Never feel that, hey, I'm not seeing fruit or, you know, I don't see growth. It's all right, right? Just press on. And eventually you will see the fruit because you're building God's kingdom, right? Now let's go to chapter three. And we talked about the ABC 12 model. Let me just present the notes so that maybe we can all just look at that picture that I can see. Yeah, the ABC 12 model. Everyone can see my H, right? All right, so basically the ABC 12 model is adapted from the G12 model. The G12 model was basically one leader looks after mentors and disciples, 12 people. So if you look at this picture here, you've got one person and there are 12, you know, members in the life group. So why 12? We talked about that as well, right? So 12 could, not like, because Jesus had 12 disciples. 12 is basically a number that can, one person can oversee all 12 of them. Imagine you have 20 of them. So there's one life group leader, we're wondering about 20. So I need to look into the lives of all these 20 people. It's not going to be easy, right? So ABC 12 model is adapted from the G12 model and so we got a picture here again. And this is what we want to see at ABC, right? So we've got one leader here, right? And 12 life group members, one life group leader, 12 life group members. Now over time, what we want to see is this life group leader, disciples and ministers, these 12, and they go out and start their own life groups, right? And again, they have 12 people under them and then the model just keeps multiplying, right? It just keeps going. So one to 12 and you have another 12 and then those 12 raise up 12 new life groups again. So it's just like a ripple effect. It just keeps going on. Now let's look at a few aspects on this, how the ABC 12 model flows. Now something that we do at ABC is, I just thought I'll share this. Most care cells or selling groups, what they do is they, so on Sunday we have a church service, everything happens there. And in the selling groups, they have Bible study or they pick up any topic that they'd like to study. ABC, something that we'd like to follow is, we follow our Sunday sermons. So for example, if you go to our website and in the website, if you go to ministries, you go to sermon notes and under each sermon or towards the end, you'll find the life group study material. So something that we have incorporated at ABC is that all life group leaders, we discuss those, what is preached on Sunday. So for example, last Sunday we talked about the nation's faith and so there are a couple of questions, maybe three questions that life group leaders listen to the sermon and they come ready to just guide and direct the discussions in the group. Whereas in a selling group, it could just be one person doing most of the talking or the selling leader can do most of the talking and that's not what we want to do. But let's look at a few aspects of the ABC 12 model. One selling leader is responsible for discipling up to 12 people. Now, there are different kinds of life groups or selling groups. This is something, again, what ABC follows. Now, it's not necessary that you have to follow this. If you start your own ministry, you're already part of a leading a life group, that's good. But something that we follow is we try to meet the needs of those who are there. Now, for example, we have family life groups, we have youth boys, youth girls, men, only women and open life groups. Open ones are basically anybody can come through those life groups. Now, most churches have open life groups. Now, what we do at ABC is that since our main goal is to disciple people, we have divided our life groups into this pattern. Only boys, only girls, families, men, only women. And the reason we do it is because now the life group leader, imagine you have a young youth boy or a girl. Now, they both are part of a family life group. And this life group leader is in his, you know, maybe 45 to 50 year range. Now, what's going to happen? This life group leader, he's got a family group, but you've got two or three youth in that group. Their needs are not being met. So what's happening is the family, they are very good leaders. They're looking after, they're able to minister to families because they're all in the same wavelength. Now, here you may have youth. Now, they may be wondering, you know, okay, so I'm on a different season. I've been in college or I've been in the workplace. These are my set of problems. Now, the set of problems a family can have could be completely opposite to that of youth. And so that is why we follow this model. We have 12 people and we divided them into different categories. And one of the things we noticed is that we're seeing fruit for us. We're seeing, okay, the youth girls, they're able to, you know, connect with each other. There's mostly these are the problems or these are the situations that they are going through or the challenges that they are facing. And so there's this kind of bonding and discipleship. Then you go to youth boys. Again, they may be in a different sphere, meaning they have different, their own problems or their own challenges. Then you go to the family. So what is happening? Discipleship is happening. So the leader is able to, you know, zero in on ministering to them one-on-one. Now I'm not saying that, you know, ministering a couple cannot minister to a youth girl. They can, but on an ongoing basis, it's always good to have it in separate, you know, age-related categories. Now the 12 cell members, I'm going to keep saying life groups and cell members interchangeably. So it's the same thing. The 12 cell members are committed to one cell group leader. Look at those two words committed and to one. Now, for example, there are 10 people in a life group. All 10 of them are committed to that leader, that one life group leader. Now, there are times when a life group, when a person may move to another part of the city, right? Now, the option is to them. So for example, in ABC, we have a few folks who have moved across cities, meaning they've gone from north of Bangalore to south of Bangalore, but they're still connected to the life group that they were in before, right? But then there are some of them who said, hey, I need to get connected to the closest life group leader. But as long as you're in a life group, you're committed to that one leader, right? The cell group leader works with each of his 12 at a personal level or what to build them up and to bring them into a place of spiritual maturity. And this is the core of life groups and cell groups, that the cell group leader can work with each of them at a personal level. So for example, we have about 40 life groups. About 33% of our church folks are part of life groups. Probably about 300 attendees and members are part of life groups across the city of Bangalore. Now, we don't know what everyone are going through. Going through what challenge or what season of life they are in. But the life group leader is the one who can work with them at a personal level. And later on, we'll talk about the response to the use of a worship leader. But he works with them at a personal level. So for example, somebody is looking out for a job. Now the life group leader knows. So he says, hey, I know today you're going for an interview. I'm standing with you on prayer. Just be bold, be strong, pray for you, that God's wisdom will be upon you and that he will put the right words in your mouth and I'm there with you. Now that one message or a call can really uplift this person. Now, you may have pastors, associate pastors, all of them. We may not even know that the person is looking for a job. But the life group leader knows, hey, in three or four months, this person is looking for a job. This is his financial situation. This is the season that he is in. I've been working with him on a personal level. And there's this one-on-one connection. And what does this personal level of connection do? It brings that person or the entire son into a place of maturity, spiritual maturity. Now you can have people who are joining a life group and initially they don't want to pray. Or initially they don't want to sing songs or raise their hands. But over time, the son group leader is able to minister to them on one-on-one basis. Say, hey, this is what you can do. You know, prayer is not about fancy words. It's just about speaking your heart out to God. You're speaking to God. And over time, we'll see, after one year, seeing this person is able to pray, not only in his first of time, but also in public, he's able to pray. He's able to raise his hands and worship. Because the self-group leader has been working with this person at a personal level. And the pastor can be on the pulpit. So they're going to say, or the worship leader will say, come on, let's raise our hands and worship. It's just that moment. But it is the life group leaders who begins to work on a personal level to bring that person to a place of maturity. And over time, life group leader encouraged each of his 12 to start their own group and begin the cycle. Now, this is something that we see that we always focus on and we encourage our life group leaders. So it's never a place where, hey, I've got 12 people. My life group is stronger than yours. You have only nine people or you have only five people in your life group. The point of the life group to start is to make sure that they're able to raise up leaders. And I would always say, the greatest sign of a leader is not how many sermons he's preached or not how many songs he's written or not how many times he's led worship on this stage. The greatest sign of a leader is how many leaders he has been able to raise. So at APC, the moment you're appointed as a leader, you need to plan your exit, right? So meaning, okay, if I'm not sure who's going to come next or now I've got 10 people. Okay, so I've got 10 new life groups that can start. No, I'm not saying that's, you know, it's going to happen overnight or it's going to happen in, you know, six, seven months or a year. It can take a long time. But the goal is everyone must be able to become leaders. Of course, some of them in your life group may say, hey, I want to join the IT team or I want to join arts and entertainment or I want to join the media team. That's wonderful. Let them do what God has called them to do. But they've raised up to that level of leadership. So wherever they go, they're able to lead a group. They're able to disciple people. And that's what we want to see. The goal of the APC 12 model, very important, is making disciples. And the same group meeting is just a way to facilitate that process. Right? So, so for example, when we say life group, people come. It is, we have, we are giving people an option to come and to minister with each other. There's just a lot of disciple personal involvement takes place. Right? Now, we don't have to, you know, as life group leaders, we don't have to tell them, okay, from today, you are, I'm going to make disciples. So you 12 are going to become my disciples. We don't have to say all of that. Discipleship is not about, you know, Jesus didn't say, you know, from now on, initially, he didn't say anything. Right? He just took them along. Right? And so making disciples takes time. Right? Yet, it is something that we must focus on as a church. Right? Eventually, every person will belong to two cell groups, one cell group where he's being ministered to by a cell group leader and one cell group where he ministers to others as a cell group leader. Now, this is something that we need to talk about. This is not always. Right? Now, remember, learning never stops. I can never say, hey, I'm a life group leader. So I will not, you know, as leaders, we need also this personal connect. And so there will be times like, for example, there are a few, two or three of them in our church at APC. They are life group leaders. Right? Now, they were part of a life group for about four or five years. Right? And eventually they, we, you know, we saw that, okay, they are potential life group leaders. They've been in this life group for five or years. So I remember this very clearly. I spoke to the life group leaders and I said, release this couple. Let them go and start a new life group. And so we helped them. We helped them start off. We got maybe, I think it was two couples started coming with them. And then this life group just grew. But these, this couple, you know, just recently, he was setting me, I still go to the life group, which I used to go to, but here they're also like, so there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong being part of a life group and also leading a life group. Right? If self groups meet alternate weeks, again, you can meet alternate weeks. You can meet weekly as long as there's some kind of fellowship that's happening. Some, most of our life groups in Bangalore, what happens is they do it bi-weekly. So for example, second and fourth Saturdays or first and third Saturdays. Then we have some of the girls groups which meet almost every week because they all stay very close by. Some of them stay in PG's and so they're able to meet on a regular basis. And then we have some family groups which meet again bi-weekly and weekly. So that is the choice of the life group leader. Right? Now our objective, sorry. If a cell group leader is able to once all members have initial 12 have started their own cell groups, he can start another cell group of another 12. And so basically if this life group leader has 12 people under him and all 12 over time, maybe in two or three years have been able to start their own life group. Now it's not like this life group leader says, okay, I've done my part. No, he can always go ahead and start other life groups. Right? Our objective in becoming a cell church is not to have cell groups and cell meetings. Our objective in becoming a cell church is to make disciples. Right? Get this. Our objective at ABC. Right? Now this is again what we want to follow. Right? It is not just we have cell group meetings. When I say cell groups meetings or cell meetings, it's not like it's a real. We just want to have like mini church services everywhere. That's not the point. The point of having cell groups or becoming a cell church is to make disciples. That is the number one group that we have. Now different churches will have different reasons. Another church may say, hey, the number one reason we have for starting life groups or cell groups is evangelism. Another group, another church may say, the number one reason we have all cell groups is because we want to do Bible studies. Right? So different churches have different goals and aspirations where it comes to cell groups. Look at the difference between APC's 12 APC 12 cell group model and the care cell model. Okay. Now our goal disciple making care cells evangelism and fellowship. Right? Now I'm not saying that in this portion we don't do evangelism and fellowship and I'm not saying care cells don't do disciple making. Right? It is there. It is there. They will be intervened with each other yet the main goal here is decided making and the main goal here is evangelism and fellowship. Everyone with me are able to understand this difference. Right? So don't get confused. Cell leaders responsibility is to disciple the cell members and equip them to become disciple makers. Look at this cell leaders responsibility. When it's a case of care cell leaders responsibility is to conduct the cell meetings. Right? So make sure that the cell meeting goes on with. Right? It should go on. There should be worship where ministry time or Bible study answer questions. Cell should be conducted. Right? Now again I'm saying it's not like this is the best ABC 12 is the best model in care cells is not. No, we're just trying to see the difference between them. Here each person is committed to one cell leader. Sure. People can visit any cell. Right? They can go anywhere. They can go to this cell group. Then next month next two weeks they can go to another cell group. Then they can go to another cell group. It doesn't really matter. Right? Each cell grows up to 12 people and after 12 we at ABC something we say is 12 is the maximum. Right? And then each of those 12 you disciple them, enter them, teach them, release them as leaders to start their own life groups. But here when a cell group like David Young who chose to remember. Right? What he did was when the cell groups increased he divided into cell groups. Okay. If there are 20 or 30 of them in the cell group, make it 15 and 15 and then go ahead and multiply it. Right? And he was able to that's how he was able to do so. Reach out and start so many cell groups. Now here every person will become a leader. A person can attend a care cell and never become a leader. This is this is quite discouraged. Right? When you look at it, a person can attend a care cell for maybe even two, three years or five years, but never become a leader. He's growing. He or she is growing in the things of God as fellowship. There's learning. Everything is there, but he may never become a leader. He may be just always there. Right? And so this is just a few differences between these two models. So why the model of 12, God's number of full fullness and multiplication, well tribes, Genesis 35, the way God multiplies his people in Genesis 49. And when you look at God's government, the way God governs his people. If you read Exodus, Leviticus 12 was kind of a number which is constant seven and 12. It's always constant throughout the structures. So that's why we follow the ABC 12 model. Okay. Before I go ahead, any questions? If you have any questions, right? Okay. Divya says, can you give some examples of care cells? Right? Sure. So we looked at the example of Lioido full gospel church. Right? So we're not saying Lioido, David Youngichou's church is better than that church or this church is not as good as this church. But as you said, an example of a care cell, best example is Lioido full gospel church in South Korea. So David Youngichou, what he did was when he started the church, he started just like anybody else, a small church. And it began to grow. And then for many years, the growth was very slow. So what did he do? He started these care cell groups. Now the point of this care cell group was more of multiplication. The main goal was multiplication to grow bigger. Right? So a care cell and a life group or a cell or a life group, they may have the same, you know, aspects to it. Is there going to be Bible reading and prayer and worship? Yes. What about in a cell church or care cell? It's going to be there. There's going to be worship. There's going to be reading of the word. There's going to be discussion. There's going to be fellowship. So it's interchanging. I think they overlap each other. But one of the main differences of a care cell is that most care cells don't have disciple making as their concept. Right? They don't have a minister to run up. But raising up of leaders is not very, you know, it's not much. It does not much happen there. But here at the APC 12 morning, we want to raise up leaders. So if you see, it's just two different names. You know, most of the activities within them overlap, right? But the goals are different. The goals are different. You can have a church or a cell group with a certain goal. And here the goal remains constant. So we're doing evangelism, outreach, fellowship, all of that. Why? For disciple making. We're in a care cell. They're doing Bible study, fellowship, outreach, everything. Why? To raise up or to have more people to increase in numbers or whatever the vision is for that care cell. Yes, go ahead. Thank you, Pastor. I was getting confused with the terms like care cell or cell church. I believe you mean care cell and cell church will be equivalent, right? Yes. Okay. And cell group, live group is the same. Yes. Okay. Okay. So what I was assuming is that the care cells are like here in all in churches, we do see like groups based on different needs of people like for example, grief care or maybe disabled people together. So it is basically on the basis of the needs and how easily they can relate. So I was a bit confused with whether it is care cell or yeah, yeah. So it's not that kind of. Yeah. So the thing is here, thank you Libyan. So here, if you look at, generally if you look at India as a nation and you look at the church and the nation of India, some of the things that we have is like like you were saying, right? Some people who are disabled, they have a cell that becomes a care cell, right? Now, as of now, I think I haven't come across any group which meets that but it's a wonderful concept. Right. So again, so they were trying to say that it's not like you say, okay, this is the, you know, is the go-to mode. It's just trying to help us understand that this is what we are doing. Right. Now, we may not have a certain group. See, for example, one of the things that we're trying to focus on now is we have a few, you know, we have divorced women and now they're lonely, they're alone, they need help. We want to start a life where they can, you know, minister to each other. Right. Just, just because they are going to see some in their life, then we also wanted to start only men, professional groups. So they're not going to talk about Sunday sermon. Right. They're going to talk about profession. Right. What's happening in their workplaces, how to live a good life in the workplace, the challenges they face and all of that. So that becomes a KSM. Right. But when you have, when we say, sell it, it's more about, it could be anybody, anyone from anywhere coming together, but the, you know, the context is to grow in the things of God. Right. So, so there's a thin balance. Right. So a very important page. We never, you know, we can be part of a group. Now don't worry about, okay, is this a care sale or is this a sale group? Doesn't matter. Right. As long as you're able to grow and, you know, in maturity, grow the things of God and learning, that should be fine. Right. And then one of the things that we always do is we inform our leaders, right? And we inform people with joining the life group as well. Right. If you want to serve in any area, if you want to take up, you know, any kind of volunteering area in the life group, just let us know, go ahead and do it. Right. So that may not happen in a, you know, in a care sale. So you have one person, he makes sure that everything happens. So, so as we go ahead, you'll, you know, you'll be able to slowly understand the difference. But I hope I was able to bring some kind of clarity to your question. Yes. Yes. Sure. Pastor. Just, just wanted to clarify as well. Like I was not saying one is better than the other, but yeah, I was just getting confused with the terms like life group and self. As of now, I, what I understand is a life group and self group is the same and cash sale in self church are the same. Perfect. That's perfect. Yes. So as I know. Yes. Go ahead. Yes. So you also said about the cash sale being like it won one of the objectives is multiplication. Maybe the, for the example you said. Yes. It was multiplication. It was multiplication. So I was also thinking like in that scenario, the G 12 model or that that works perfectly, right? If that was multiplication, the main objective. Yeah. But then what happens is so in a care cell, you can have 30 people in the cell room. You can even have 50 people. Right. But here since discipling people or discipleship is the goal, we cannot have one leader look after 30 people. So you have just 12. So he ministers to those 12 and those 12 become like the leader, but here in a case of yes, there is multiplication like more people are coming in, but less leaders are being raised. Okay. So, so that's, that's the difference. The goals are different. So the only reason I keep saying sorry for it's confusing cell, cell group and light group is because here at APC we call it life groups. Right. So there are churches that call it just call it cell groups. Right. So that's it. So cell group life groups are the same thing. I just use it interchange it. So that's clear. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Shall we carry on? Okay. Everyone are on the same line. Right. Okay. We go ahead. I'm sure we'll just get more clarity when we keep reading and keep going through it. Okay. The cell group meeting. Okay. Okay. I'll try my best not to say life group. Let's keep it as cell. Right. Okay. The cell group meeting. Now in a cell group meeting, the time limit we have set. Okay. This is V. Okay. This is what we do is 90 minutes to maximum 120 minutes. Now you can do it for two hours. You can do it for one hour. You can do it for a good 45 minutes. But I feel that a 45 minutes of each two less to you know, personally, it'll just be like coming and going away quickly. But make sure you have sufficient time for prayer for fellowship for ministry to one another. You can meet once a week or once in two weeks. Can be flexible with the location so long as everyone is informed. So nowadays what happens is as soon as a life group is as soon as a cell group is formed, we ask the cell group leader, okay, start a WhatsApp group, put everyone in it, keep in touch with everyone. Right. So there are times when cell groups can, especially the youth, youth boys, youth girls, they meet once in twice a month. So once they meet in a bus in one of them is four. And then the second time they meet it a coffee day or a barista. And they said, they discuss. It's not like they meet it in barista and then they only keep wasting time. The point is they go through the whole sermon notes as well. They have discussions. They pray and they close. They follow the. So they're flexible in terms of location. And again, if you look at a care care cell, it's it normally doesn't happen this way. So here it's not very flexible. Normally guess was a very digital. Here you'll see this flexibility in terms of timing as well. You can have a care care cell, which is starts at, for example, 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. That's it. 7 p.m. But here, you know, you know, so you can go on 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. It can just go on first. Just so that it's flexible. People are able to be there. Okay. Let's look at a few guidelines. All members are encouraged to share. And we ask that everyone speak openly and want to speak. So again, you see the difference in a care cell and all the members are able, if all the members are given an opportunity to speak, even if there are 20 or 30 people in that cell group, care cell, they're going to spend two hours there. I mean, just ask more people to share. But sure, in a second group, everyone are encouraged to share. And in fact, what we do is we make everyone share at least one point. What did you learn on Sunday 7? The nature's fake. Okay. What did you learn? That's an example. There are 12 of them sitting there. You say, what did you learn? What is it that you learn? So it goes, everyone get an opportunity to speak. Each person should feel safe about opening up, right? But it's also important, too, that we stress confidentially. All matters within the group, must remain in strict control. So for example, there's a person in the group who is going through a financial burden and he has shared that with you. So as a life-giving leader, never, if he has shared in confidentiality, never bring that up, right? Or for example, there's somebody who's going through problems of their marriage at husband and wife. And never bring that up as a leader. If it's shared in confidentiality, it should be confidential. But each person should be feel safe to open up and share whatever they feel like sharing, right? We will reach out to our family, neighbors, friends, with goals of bringing them to Christ again, part of evangelism. We will keep interaction in line with what Christ is doing in our midst and refrain from storytelling that is irrelevant to the subject that is being discussed. Now, this could be, again, a difference, right? Since there's not much of open discussions and I guess that a person preaches or teaches everything is done, they close and go. But sure, since there's interaction, again, we need to have guidelines with the same storytelling. So for example, we're talking about tenacious faith, all likelihoods. Now, a person can in the group may say let's play, let's discuss about Israel and Palestine. It's a good topic. But that's not the time and the place to discuss it. So that's where the light would be the comes up. He says, okay, you know, our discussion should be in line with tenacious faith and not Israel and Palestine. Israel and Palestine, we'll discuss another time. So that's what the leader does, right? Here, we encourage people that they should not normal to also condemn, be judgmental or criticize to the like-to-cell group leader or to those who are in the cell group, right? Never condemn or be judgmental. People remember that we're all a work in progress. You may have people who are high in their maturity thinking people who are just, you know, they may be aged, but in terms of maturity, they're very low. So we don't be judgmental. Don't say hey, how did you grow up so big but why are you so childish? We don't do all of them. We give people time to do it. We work with them one on one. Prayer in this area, this is an area where it can bring most growth and strength to the group, right? Each cell member is encouraged to build up their own prayer life and praying for the church. Sorry, praying for the group and praying for the ministry is everything. Prayer is something that strengthens the group. It just gets everyone in unity with one another. And we, again, we always keep the vision of the church in mind. So if all people's church the vision is to be salt and light the city and the voice of the nation. So even as you are recycling, even as you are ministering to people our main goal is to be salt and light. To be a voice, right? That's the vision. Now it's not like people are sharing their thoughts or you're discussing the Sunday sermon and it's not like I'm not fulfilling the vision. No, we are discussing the Sunday sermon, but our overall vision foresight is that this is what I am doing. I'm fulfilling the vision of the church. Right? Look at the sample schedule. Again, it's the sample. So you can come up with your own schedule arrival, praise and worship icebreaker shed a vision the selling group word study 14 minutes word study and open discussions and this is what we want. We don't want these to be big priority. Right? Praise and worship is good icebreaker just to especially nowadays the youth groups have these icebreaker. Family groups don't really have much to just get into the word and 40 minutes strong discussion of the word open discussions and many light groups that I have gone to sometimes we I visit these light groups and when I sit and watch these light groups the discussions go on to one of 20 minutes and time doesn't really matter because it's so much to discuss about and it's so wonderful to see that so I encourage to see this happening then prayer then ministry time I just minister to one another then you got the holistic cells which is provide a balanced emphasis right? So what we do is I'll just give you a brief summary of what they're going to do next class and this is chemically he's developed this powerful tool he writes quite a few articles on the upward, inward, outward and forward model because basically a model that he came up with to ensure that all cell groups are able to have a balance in everything that they are doing so it's not only ministry or it's not only discussion not only you know but this is balance and so he came up with this upward, inward, upward model so we spend some time on this it's very important for us to understand this and then next class on Friday we will start from this place the holistic cells upward, inward, outward and forward model right? So any questions? Any questions? Any thoughts? I'm sure many of us here may have already started your life groups and our cell groups and if you're doing something that's already working that's wonderful but if you want if you feel that hey I want to change the way I do you know cell group feel free to try out these these guidelines these things that we are doing but if you feel that you know I I'm doing it this way I'm seeing you just continue with that but again make sure that as a cell group you are able to go from strength to strength make sure that we are not stagnant at one place alright thank you so much everyone I'll catch up on Friday and we'll continue with this chapter we should be able to bring this chapter to a close class alright God bless you all have a good week ahead I'll see you later