 God, these men, these people that are in this awesome force of life, this great expression of themselves, because in my opinion, this 21 convention was the best balance of speakers and attendees. I mean, everybody was on the same wavelength, you know, or almost everybody. It was pretty amazing. The dialogue was incredible. Yes. The dialogue was incredible. You could relate to this. And so why is that important? Why is that necessary right now with men who are in this movement of change? Oh, Lord, because I don't think it's being expressed. Right. There's no outlet. You know, so for example, if you can only speak from my own vantage point, when I write, when I do these things, I'm in complete isolation and many times I'm literally in the dark doing it because I prefer to work in the dark because I hate floors and lights, but I'm in the dark writing these things. I'm in the dark thinking about these things and I'm not necessarily sharing these things directly with people. I don't know how this is going to be feel literally a plate. I mean, I can release a little bit here and there and trust me, I test it out to a degree, but you don't know how it's going to be received until you put it out there. How does a product sell? How is it received? Then you know, and the 21 convention is an incredible platform for testing that out, putting that out there and having that return. Yeah. You would think that, for example, my crowning achievement would have been the standing innovation I got. Yeah. That's typical. But I wish the cameras were rolling and I don't think they were was as I was getting off that stage, there was a line of men to embrace me, to physically hold me, embrace me, call me brother, tell me I wasn't alone, and to share in that vulnerability because it was an incredibly raw moment of letting myself be vulnerable and being received in that you don't have. You don't have expressed. We only applied at a distance. I was embraced coming off that stage. Yeah, man. I mean, I don't think anybody could have done what you, I mean, you were all our individual expressions, but what you did at this convention being, you know, having the responsibility of the keynote speech, man, it was like, I brought, I was talking about this in one of the previous recordings, I was like, you know, man, when I brought sock on stage, I said, this guy is known for giving the, after every convention that I've been, and then you said that's tough to live up to when you blew it away. And I did not think so. And we can talk about, I very have to see it though, sock. You don't know. Until you see the video, you won't know. I haven't seen it. Yeah. I mean, it's a question of what you did. And part of that is clouded even to you because when you're doing it, you're not doing anything else and therefore you can't self-supervise. I can tell you that it was wonderful. It was remarkable. And when you see the video, you'll understand how remarkable it was. I would sit down and say this, compare any of the speeches I've done compared to that last one. I did something distinctly different than the last one. Yes. Absolutely. And that, and I hate to say it. God damn you guys. It's one thing to give advice. It's another to take it. But can you imagine how bitter and difficult it is to take your own damn advice and actually put it out there? To sit down and say that in a second, I'm going to sit down and do this. I'm going to do a step out of my comfort zone. I'm going to release myself to a moment instead of over-analyzing, overdoing things. I'm going to sit down and say, you've got this. Allow the moment to come in. You both stole my damn lines. You know, and I sit down and go, and not only that, I don't, you know, come on. And honestly, God, you know, I was tired. I was drained until, you know, you get called out during your speech and I told you after saying it's asshole for a shot in the ass. I'm not wired up on a caffeine and a drink, having not only been called out for how long during your presentation, but girlfriend been brought up on. Yeah. You called out. This is how you say that that way. And you said it about, about the 2012 thing, too. I don't see it that way at all. In fact, I think it's helpful because one of the things, I mean, number one, you're a speaker. Number two, you're an exemplary speaker. You are literally an example that's being held up for these men. And I am just continuing with that. I am showing what is exemplary about you and it's not calling you out or if I was calling you on your shit, then I'd worry about that. You and you'd be right to do it, but I'm not. I'm calling you on your virtues and it's trust, but you're not comfortable to it because guess what? We're not showing each other's virtues. We're not shown and because of that, I'm not used to it. That was one of the things I was really glad I could sit down and contrast war machine when we talk about when you're only alpha and you only have alpha to go to not only hears the dangers of it and point to a direct example, OK, but then to show a positive experience and a positive alternative from one of the alumni speakers who's physically in the room, who's physically available. You sit down and say, we're talking about mixed martial arts and combatives and defense skills and everything Ed talks about. And how does that deal in masculinity and in his role appropriately? Here's a man who's living it. You know, I joke that he's all he's all art, no martial. You know, he's coming to kill my vibe. And I'm like, no, but he exemplifies it. Most guys that do these things, it's all martial and no art. There's no philosophy. There's no sense of being. But we recognize men are transformed. One of the things I talk about knowing you during your worst years, you you've talked about that. And I sit down and say, yeah, but I also see when Ed started to have an influence in your life and dramatic transformation. And I was I was able to say that. I don't know. Now, the only thing I miss in that whole thing, honestly, I see this is what he means by being called out. This is and this is one of the things where the only thing I miss in that is I actually want to see Ed hit you in the head. You should see when I hit Ed. I think honestly, that was part of the reason I just said, I know TC actually brought that up. Where is it? I know exactly where this comes in. This is when men are brought into a culture of men, whether it's the pickup organizations done healthily, whether it's a dojo or anything else or the 21 convention. When you make room for male culture, for men to respond, to have examples, to to raise the bar of expectation. We're talking as virtuous behaviors. We're talking about a lot of crazy stuff. We're talking about masculinity. We're talking about the roots of philosophy. We get into feminism and we get into just how to be the ideal man. The philosophy behind that action is that God, these men, these people that are in this awesome force of life, this great expression of themselves, because in my opinion, this 21 convention was the best balance of speakers and attendees. I mean, everybody was on the same wavelength or almost everybody. It was pretty amazing. The dialogue was incredible. Yes. The dialogue was incredible. And so why is that important? Why is that necessary right now with men who are in this movement of change? Lord, because I don't think it's been expressed. Right. There's no outlet. You know, so for example, if you can only speak from my own my own vantage point, when I write, when I do these things, I'm in complete isolation. And many times I'm literally in the dark doing it because I prefer to work in the dark because I hate floors and lights. But I'm in the dark writing these things. I'm in the dark thinking about these things. And I'm not necessarily sharing these things directly with people. I don't know how this is going to be feel like a plate. I mean, I can release a little bit here and there. And trust me, I test it out. Yeah. But you don't know how it's going to be received until you put it out there. How does a product sell? How is it received? Then you know. And the 21 convention is an incredible platform for testing that out, putting that out there and having that return in here. And that's what I was talking to Don about. It's not the ideal man. It's the ideal Greg Swan. It's the ideal Socrates. It's the ideal Steve Miede. It's the ideal Don Watkins. It's kind of like the myth of the alpha male is promoting in this or like, you know, you're absolutely right. And that's what he's up to. That's what we were talking about is for both of us to rise to the to the challenge that we're issuing to other people. This is something which is amazing because again, you have moving speeches, but online.