 We have a series of speakers to speak to you today, and then Connie will do some summing up at the end Connie Sorio our migrant justice program coordinator My name is Shannon Newfield. I'm the member and network coordinator from Kairos and just again so glad to see you all here Yeah, and I have just met Jazer Um Jazer is Hi A health practitioner on an international student visa in canada The registered nurse in the philipines and responded to the call for health practitioners to boost human resources in the covet 19 Affected long-term care facilities. And so he's going to share a little bit of his story with us Welcome Jazer. Go ahead. Yeah, so hi. Good afternoon I'm Jazer Monteliano 32 years old. They came from the philippines. So Back home. I was a nurse and practicing as a nurse so I Make I'm here for father's daddy. So So My class should start like yesterday But because of this pandemic thing it was moved to september. So Basically, I don't know what to do. I have My class being deferred like I can do nothing But stay at home just stay at home. So So I can do work until my classes start because that's what's my permit allows me that I cannot go to work until My classes start because or else I would be illegal So I have nothing but hearing about covet things from my country here in canada in america or everywhere. So Hearing this covet stories. So As a health practitioner I want to help I want to do something but I simply can't because of my My restrictions given with the immigration. So until I hear I read a post from facebook that the canadian government is looking for Every health workers residing now in canada even students or even like Currently in canada that can help in covid inviting the covid so Long story short. I am volunteer without any hesitation. I said How to apply? I volunteered. So In summary, I was assigned to a covid stricken long-term care facility in toronto And the thing there was on my first day Somebody died and I think wow. So this is it. So I did a post mortem care in the first hour. So So that's it. So one thing also I discovered that The staffs are being infected and nobody wants to go to work anymore. So So one thing is after your shift on eight hour shift You are never sure if you can go home because you'll have to wait somebody that Somebody to take over your shift. So On the second day it happened. I worked straight 16 hours. So maybe Oh, so this is the normal thing here. So So On the third day I worked like 12 hours. So Oh, this is bad. So Although that's being as keep on happening I did continue until weeks after I feel like something's happening to me. So The nurse assigned that day Said to me jaser you have to I had to swab you and to be tested. So I Was tested. I was swab. I was positive. So that's so what's that's what's happening to me. So today is my 12th day of isolation two more days I Two more days. It's the 14th day Like this Thursday. I will be swab again. So hopefully for ourselves to be good. So, yes, we have pee pee there We have all sorts of protection In fact, we work as a team. We help each other. We we see each other We we suggest to just to keep things better and better but What I'm trying to say here is the whole system like me as a foreign worker and my and my co-worker is like We are facing the same risk. We are facing the same enemy. We are doing the same work, but the both of us have We don't have equal same protection because I can say that because even I don't have I can't even have a valid health card until now because This immigration thing I can't because there's so many restrictions. I can't I can't I can't get so Now that I'm sick. I don't know if they have something for me, but one thing is for sure because I might have professional wherever I will be I must respond if somebody wants me. So Now on behalf of the international students the impoverished foreign workers I call for Equal same protection because I believe my work in profession is essential. That's it Yeah, that's it. Thank you. Thank you very much jazzer um As soon as I heard that, you know As there was in self isolation I can him and also to ask what kind of support he needs because I know that he's he's here by himself. He has no Uh in nature relatives and and as an international student Uh Responding to a call. It is very important that, you know, we take care of each other So yeah later on we'll you know talk about, you know, what kind of advocacy we should be doing Thanks. Thank you again So we're going to hear a number of stories and then at the At the end after everyone has had a chance to speak There will be an opportunity to ask the the people who have shared any questions you might have And I'd like now to call on Sevilla, a long time personal support worker. Sevilla, welcome here And thank you for being with us Quite healthcare giver. I have more than 12 years experience from UK and Canada I look after client who has dementia Alzheimer's, cerebral palsy Uh with physical needs and others my background is in finance, but what I have But why I have switched my career and became a care giver because I'm proud of of it and Do it with humility respect dignity in its integrity It's an eye opening for me when my mother deteriorated and suffered And my family has no choice. It's heartbreaking But we have to hire a caregiver for her and I saw the love effort hardships and The care and the love that this caregiver showed to my mother and Somehow alleviated her pain And that's why it is a great challenge for me to pursue this career I consider it is extremely important and very essential in our community and society It involves hard work dedication patients With great empathy care passion and be compassionate to do this job At times we've been overlooked harass verbally and physically But we just have to be Have a deep breath and do our duties On the bright side of it our boss and family's client gave us the compliment and appreciated our new job During this COVID time I could just stay home and apply for CERB but because of the demand and needs of clients We can't do it. We have to have the courage to strengthen God's and to continue this Job and pursue our service knowing that there is this very high and the gravity of the situation is Enormous because that part of it we've been discriminated stereotyped labelled mish jobs and is understood Belittled by other people as I myself experienced a month ago. I'm not welcome I'm not welcome By a couple where I used to lead saying that I could bring the virus to them. It hurts me a lot, but I have no choice but to move on From the bottom of my heart. I am pleading to our government that somehow On behalf of my co-caregivers PSWs Have to be acknowledged and consider that they should have the they deserve to have a permanent residence and not just Work and permit alone and the skills And the education professionally has to be acknowledged especially we Uh, Filipinos who's really professionally inclined and we have really the capability to do the job So I'm really asking the government that please reconsider because we are people that somehow I consider caregiver and PSWs or and in healthcare. We are essential and really important in the community and society and That's why I'm here and it's really overwhelming for me. That somehow I'm included in this talk and That's I wish I have a great sense of what I'm saying and thank you for listening Thank you so much, Sevilla. We really appreciate you sharing your story And you'll stay with us, right and maybe people will have questions for you in a little bit. Sure Excellent excellent. Thank you Some others who would have liked to have been here are not able to be here in the middle of the work day and so Um, we have some stories and I am going to read one of them from another caregiver and so in her voice I will read now I'm 45 years old separated with three children left in the care of my parents in the Philippines I was a public high school teacher in the Philippines But my salary was not enough to support my children and my aging parents I was forced to leave teaching and my country to find work that would allow my children to go to school Have decent safe housing and food on the table After eight years in Saudi Arabia I came to Canada in May 2018 as a temporary foreign worker under the care for elderly pilot program I had to pay about $8,000 to an agency who found me an employer and processed all my documents My dream is to finish the 24 month work requirement past the language test and be able to apply for permanent residency in Canada And then reunite with my children My job was going well caring for one elderly woman My employer was happy with my work and the way I looked after her There were only the two of us in the house. We were respectful of each other I learned to care for her like my mother However, this was abruptly disrupted in mid-march when the eldest daughter decided to bring another My employer and I were both shocked and did not know how to react The day my employer was brought to the nursing home. She asked me to accompany her Cannot describe how I felt when we got to the nursing home And leaving her there It was so hard On our way out We were advised by the in-house medical practitioner To follow the public health advisory to self isolate for 14 days Because the facility was dealing with a COVID-19 outbreak As soon as we reached home where I stayed with my employer The daughter told me to look for another employer and vacate the premises in three days I was shocked and devastated Where would I go? Where would I find a new employer at this time of the pandemic? I pleaded with her and explained that I didn't have any relatives or anyone that could provide temporary accommodation But she didn't relent On the third day the daughter phoned me and asked me if I was ready to leave and gave me instructions where to leave the house key Pushed to the wall. I told her I'm not leaving I reminded her of the medical practitioner's advice to self isolate for 14 days I told her that if she forced me to leave I will report her to the authorities Including with the ministry of labor for violating my rights I think she was stunned She could not speak for almost a minute and then she said Okay I felt really good about standing up for my rights Now I'm still living in the same house And I was assured that the family will honor the remaining time of the two-year contract In the meantime my employer Nana I call her Nana for grandmother wants to come home She feels safer in the house with me caring for her than in the nursing home still fighting the virus outbreak I've uh been asked to um Relate the story of Christina. My name is Cheryl McNamara and I work at kairos as the media and advocacy coordinator My name is Christina I am a temporary foreign worker providing care to children under the caring for children pilot program I arrived in canada in 2018 and am about to complete the 24 months work requirement this month april And I will be qualified to apply for permanent residence I worked in hong kong for 10 years as a domestic helper I am married and have four children My husband is a jeepney driver and his earnings are not enough to support us Hence, I was forced to leave my family and work as a caregiver I was a live out caregiver caring for three children This arrangement is very expensive for me as I have to maintain an apartment and pay for my daily transportation But I also like the freedom and having not to worry about work and the children after 6 p.m And be able to take a rest and be ready for the next day's work When the pandemic hit the province and public safety measures were imposed including walking down offices public spaces and minimizing travel and use of public transit My employer paid for my uber ride She felt that it was safer to take the uber Than being exposed in the bus or subway after all she wants To make sure that my exposure is limited for the sake of her children and household This arrangement went for a week and a half Coming back from the weekend off she called sunday afternoon and told me that she will not be paying for my uber anymore That if I wanted to take an uber to work, then I will have to pay for it. I asked her what changed The outbreak was getting worse and more people were getting infected and taking an uber was not only for my safety, but For her family as well Anyway, I said I had to think about it A couple of hours later I received a termination letter It was very harsh It said I was terminated for insubordination And not doing my job to their satisfaction This happened the end of march To date I am still waiting for my annual leave pay the two weeks pay in lieu of notice as per the employment standards act My record of employment so I can file for e i or other benefit packages I recently applied for ser but I don't know if I qualify because i'm still under the temporary foreign worker program And that's christine statement Thanks, Cheryl Sharing that one as well So now I think We may have one more guest if she's able to join us in a little bit later But right now I'd like to turn it over to connie sorio to Give us a little bit of a summary of what she's noticed in these various stories and more that she has heard Thank you shannon and chel for reading those stories Um These are real people and I have contact with them almost every day And it was hard for me to Read the letters And and and I mean the stories because I you know, I I have relations. I've built a relationship with them and I could feel The pain and the injustice that they're facing um Just to mention too that uh, I just got a text from Michelle and she is not able to join us because she Uh, she was called on to stay on judy and she asked to attend to patients Michelle is um, is a registered care facility that you know, uh jasser also worked before And it was her actually that you know, when we were connecting with each other I really felt you know the agency of of you know, the situation at the at the long-term care facility As jasser has mentioned, you know described Workers have stopped coming to work because either they they're infected or they're just scared to to bring You know the infection home So at one point I was talking to michelle and And in between her in between us talking she was also attending to to to a patient. So I um I really felt for her and one of in in one of our discussions She highlighted, you know, the the crisis that they are facing but particularly in a publicly funded Long-term care facilities and I would like actually to to to refer you to a global male article that came out yesterday And the title is it took a pandemic why systemic deficiencies in long-term care facilities post such a danger to our seniors What the article highlighted, you know, um not only the crisis in terms of I wouldn't say overcrowding But the fact that you know the care cuts that we're we're experiencing under the care government Has made it impossible for for long-term care facilities to be able to hire sufficient or enough workers to be able to provide the care necessary Or that's needed in in these facilities and the pandemic has fairly highlighted, you know the shortage The long hours of work that these workers have to to endure And and the not sufficient care that's provided to to the residents And and as we, you know, as we've been hearing in the news most of The facilities are currently, you know Uh suffering from the COVID-19 outbreak And the need for workers is not going to go away. Um, Canada has an, you know, has an aging Opulation and the need for health workers care workers Is very much needed So hearing from jazzer story from zivia and also from carol and christina It really highlighted, you know The need to To overhaul our system or over overhaul our immigration system to make sure that one Workers that we need that are doing essential work should be provided with temperature Accidency because the work they're doing are not temporary. These are permanent jobs And and those, you know, who are coming here as health professionals should be recognized as health professionals There should be, you know, they're foreign training They're they're international training and and profession should be recognized because it's needed so for for for example for jazzer, he's a registered nurse in the philippines and he he came He just arrived actually in february this year as an international student It does not recognize, you know, his profession as a registered nurse in the philippines But responding to the call, you know, he stepped out and said, well, I'm a registered nurse in the philippines. I can I can do the work And the fact that, you know, jazzer is currently infected He isn't a limbo in terms of health coverage His old hip is not valid until the class starts, which is which has been moved to September of this year And and for the meantime, what what is the circuit to do? What are international students who are in similar situations and are coming out and providing service The much needed essential service are going to do So these are the these are the the questions and these are the This is that we're facing today and you know, um despite the fact that the government both federal and provincial have come out with, you know, um aid packages and the c er b and so forth More attention should be given to the international International students who are here the temporary foreign workers are providing essential work That they should be given the same access The same benefits that we all have as Canadians or permanent residents um I would like to Yeah, Shannon, like, you know, let's open it up for question and you know answer in terms of, you know, our our participants Being able and from us Sure connie So we have uh here Sevilla and jazzer and connie are all available to answer your questions. And so I would invite you to simply um take Turns and unmute yourselves um to Ask what's on your mind? I just would start out by saying thank you for the work you're doing It's really essential work and I've actually worked in healthcare and really have a sense of how much nurses and personal care workers do and um You know caring for our loved ones. That's it's so important really The most important work may be I think in terms of question the question I really have is How um, can we step into advocacy? And and support Uh transitions in our immigration program to better support Uh these workers so that healthcare workers can get permanent residency more easily These caregivers who we depend on should not be stuck in the temporary status and then in terms of what's happening now with uh international students and others who um are not able to Benefit from the healthcare supports that our country has how can we advocate for them? Thank you Connie do you want to go ahead and answer that now? um Maybe we should wait for other questions as well if you don't mind Elizabeth because uh later part of you know our conversation will focus on advocacy and mobilizing and engaging our constituents and you know to support that I had a question for jazzer and I I wonder if um How you've been feeling and and if the if you were feeling very ill and if you um Had support during the time of your illness or or now what has your situation been like in the last two weeks? yeah Yeah, and if we're talking about right now, I'm perfectly fine so I'm Last week. I'm just I feel like I I thought it was just a simple flu a simple cold like I have don't I don't I just feel like my sense of smell has gone I have no appetite on eating. I just love to sleep I think oh, well, this is a simple symptoms of flu or whatever like maybe I get the flu but When I was tested and it was positive. So I told to stay here at the basement alone. So luckily I have I have a supportive parents way in in California in America, they are sending me through DHL because I That the public health is like telling me that we have those groups like grocery heroes that Do the do the grocery for me and I will pay them on how much they receive Well Do but when I started to use it They're asking me different questions like are you a worker in these facilities and I Because I'm a temporary worker. I can't give the I can't give the exact things they are asking. So It was a failure. So my help was from America they do it on the DHL like they pay more just arrived my My bread my everything I need the food they want that lasted for two weeks. So That's it. So that's my help It's costly on their side on my side and Thanks. Thanks. Yeah that My symptoms were just like that compared to what we used to hear like you can't I can Have difficulty breathing. No, then there's not something like that for me because maybe because I'm I'm a nurse. I eat blood. I eat more fluids. I help myself I eat more vitamins because I thought that's the thing even though I don't have appetite I just eat eat eat eat and stress stress. So Everything is good for me now Well, we're glad it wasn't such a horrendous case and that you took care of yourself and that you're feeling better yeah it's It's heart-rending to hear that Even with the volunteer programs like grocery heroes, you still fall between the cracks Yes, I have those that permanent status Yeah, because like they're asking an email that connected Somewhere a facility because we have to make sure that I'm a healthcare worker. I'm a pump liner So but I can't give something like that. I can't so That's a baby Right and there's a question in the chat here Do you know of instances when the support workers in LTC have been given increased pay? Can any of our speakers answer that? So LTC long-term care, right? Do you know of instances when support workers have been given increased pay? To the uh in your in your uh experience as of today we haven't heard anything yet even though the Ford is already saying that there's a kind of increase or something but I haven't heard from our boss yet So it's negative still No Well, if you have to follow up because uh based on the announcements that you know, uh Was made I think it was yesterday Uh that about six dollars increase per hour For long-term care workers, especially those in the front line, you know, you should get this increase So you deserve it severe. Okay. Thank you Connie may I ask a question? Yes, Andrea Apologies for joining late. I wondered are you finding any differences In the experiences of workers From province to province I understand that Program is a federal one, but uh our workers having different experiences in different parts of the country Um, I webinar organized by a group in New Brunswick and this isn't the New Brunswick media co-op and they have That did a research study on long-term care facilities and so forth and what what was brought out, you know, from Conversations that it's it's it's the same experiences Long hours of work Many the ratio of workers to uh to patients or clients is very high um A worker has to has to provide care to 10 15 You know people in that in the facility During during her uh shift, which is normally eight hours But then usually extended to 12 and 16 hours. So workers are feeling burnt out And the pay is still very low. So I'm hoping that you know, um The province New Brunswick follows suit in terms of increasing the salaries of frontline health workers just like what, you know, Ontario had announced yesterday But it's also and and if you read the article that Kathy come in son from global mail, uh I was written they did a very good research and analysis on the the health care and Elderly, you know seniors care and it really showed, you know, how how deficient we are Or how deficient is both the federal and the provincial government in providing The much needed funding to boost, you know, manpower and also the facilities in terms of Access to to medical supplies and and and so forth. So What this pandemic, you know, has brought to light, you know, is how very deficient we are in providing care for our seniors And and you know, we're hoping that before the end of our webinar we'd be able to focus on some advocacy work that we need to do To you know, to make sure that things policies are changing things that are changing to make sure that, you know Our seniors are provided the best care that they they can receive and that our workers are provided, you know Access to benefits and the same The same rights whether you are here under temporary status or as Canadian or permanent residents Yeah There was another question in the chat And Jazzery, I think you referred to this briefly Um, the question was can any of the speakers speak to whether they have enough personal protective equipment Given from the employer Jazzery, do you want to start? Yes Yeah, uh, I'm lucky the I'm lucky that I was assigned to the facility with With complete PPE Everything is given. I thought we're gonna out of stuff but every day when I go there From gowns to gloves to goggles to mask And with the mask with the eye protection. They're all there It's mainly because like the only problem with the the long-term care facilities is the ratio of the patient and the worker because I think it's sometimes like for one PSW we're curing up 10 residents. So at the time we have like We have to take care of them and In that limited time. So that's the challenge there Thank you Sevilla, did you want to speak to that? What about in your situation? Yes on in my experience I'm really pleased with my boss who have a continuous support towards us to make to ensure that The staff has a proper PPE Because otherwise I'm a person that if there's no complete PPE, I'm going to reject the job I'm not gonna do it and I'm not gonna take the risk because that's for my Side that I have really to be careful with it. But so far. I'm so grateful with my boss. Thank you Okay, and Connie are you hearing stories anywhere else? Is that Is it pretty good or are there places where there isn't enough equipment? There are places where you know, they're lacking the PPE the ventilators and the protective masks but Yes, so that's that's you know, that's a fact But also as jazzy pointed out and I mentioned earlier the ratio is very high In terms of residents and workers and so really To be able to do the proper, you know, the proper care sanitation and all that Self-care it's very hard when you're faced to to do To provide service to a number of residents in a very short period of time So again In the article that Kathy wrote based from her interviews with caregivers or healthcare providers Even for self, you know hand washing and so forth sanitation and so forth. They're pressed for time to do that So it goes back to to funding and being able to provide and hire Uh Workers to be able to you know to to do good proper proper job and and not rushed To do this because there are other residents waiting for their care. Yeah Edward here has you know has uh as a point Okay, so beyond the rights and benefits as workers I think the advocacy initiatives may also need to focus on ensuring the temporary foreign workers are doing the job they have been trained and educated to do and not be subjected to any forms of deep professionalization to fill in low paying jobs So just before we go to the advocacy piece I just want to you know to step a little to step back a little bit and talk about the temporary foreign workers program and and and you know why there is this disparity between uh between Those who are coming in to fill in the jobs as temporary workers and those who are here already doing the job first of all um It is very beneficial whether it's an institution enough or a private whole to To hire A registered nurse for example in the Philippines to come as a caregiver. First of all the Canada does not recognize, you know uh international trade and international profession, you know by the workers coming in So even if jazza for example is a nurse and comes here under the temporary foreign worker program She he would be treated as a temporary worker And paid minimum pay which is about 14 75 as opposed to recognizing His international trade profession and being paid 40 bucks an hour or more So that alone, you know, uh What poses, you know, this this this party In terms of benefits and wages, but at the same time He is expected to provide Care and do a job as a as a registered nurse So not only that, you know, the family is saving the government is also promoting this So that they're bringing in low paid low-wage Workers doing the same job as, you know nurses or or healthcare providers And and for the past, you know, um 10 years Canada has stopped bringing more permanent residents To fill in these jobs, but rather has brought in more and more international or temporary foreign workers and and these workers are Income tax contributing to ei and contributing to cpp and yet Not many of them are able to access, you know, any of these benefits that we're paying to So going going to, you know, the work that Kairos has been doing for years. We've been advocating Uh, that the government stopped choosing the temporary foreign worker program But rather bring in workers as permanent residents because we need them And and you know joining, you know, other groups other migrant justice seekers, you know, we've been We've been campaigning that permanent residency should be provided to all workers who are coming into Canada Just very recently We wrote a letter to the three federal ministers who are who have direct oversight to the temporary foreign workers program And this is the minister of Immigration refugee and citizenship Canada to the minister of agriculture and agriculture to the minister of service Canada and employment and development Telling asking them, you know, to make sure that during this pandemic any And all of the benefits aid packages that, you know, both the federal and the provincial government has put in place This worker should be able to have access especially, you know, the likes of of chaser who until now this that have a valid um health insurance and I'm not sure if your sin is, you know Is valid now chaser now that, you know, the the the opening of the class has been extended to september So to be able to apply for CERB or the Canadian emergency response benefit, you have to have a valid sin or Yeah And and this also puts in place or at risk more at risk Already vulnerable workers, especially those undocumented workers who came to Canada legally work just a temporary foreign worker Workers and had fallen in the cracks Uh, and now they don't have legal status. They don't have as I am and now they cannot apply for any of, you know, uh The aid packages So our letter, uh That's addressed to this out to the three federal ministers is calling, you know For them to make sure that vulnerable workers particularly those who have No valid as I am or undocumented refugees and international students should have access to the benefits because we are all in this together We are all impacted but those vulnerable workers have more, you know Are impacted more than, you know, uh than the rest of us The other thing that, you know, we've been calling for is to make sure that the agricultural workers are coming You know to work in the farms because the system is starting that they should be provided All the measures that, you know, uh to ensure their health and And safety to ensure that there's enough space in their accommodation. Uh that would warrant Uh, you know, the physical distancing and that when they are, you know, isolated as soon as they come that they should be Paid for the time that they are in isolation So this are, you know, uh, these are in in, um embedded in the letter that we sent to Uh to the three ministers But as what we are hearing now despite, you know, pronouncements that the packages are inclusive To this workers, to the temporal workers We heard it from Jassler. We're hearing it from other people They are still facing to have access. They are still not included So one of our main advocates to call is, you know, for For the federal government to grant permanent status To all temporal workers international students and refugees during this pandemic So that there's no discrimination So that when someone, you know calls for assistance, they're not Don't have to go through the screening process that Jassler, you know, experienced that despite the fact that, you know, he He contracted the virus while working in a long-term facility. He is still excluded From, you know, from the services So these are, you know, these are the advocacy calls that, you know, we have we have Put out there At the letter that we sent to the government is, you know, on our website And I'm wondering if Cheryl, can you, you know, if you had Anything to add Yes, thank you, Connie. Um And thank you to all of the people who shared Um I uh We've been working, uh In addition to the letter that Connie referred to, uh, on an op head. Um, and we're shopping that around right now But it looks likely. Um, that the global mail will print a letter that Connie had submitted And the letter calls for two things. Uh, one is for canada to take a page off of portugal's book And grant all migrants, uh, permanents, uh, sorry, not not permanent, but, uh, residence status during the pandemic Um, and that would give, um, all, um, migrant workers access to, um, all social benefits and health benefits And then also calling for, um, permanent, um, residents for all migrant workers And that it not only includes, uh, caregivers, but, um Agriculture workers and meat processing Workers as well So, um, the global mail did give indication that they would be printing it. Hopefully so once that's done, um We're thinking Of, uh, encouraging people to send that letter. Um, which is published in a major Newspaper to their members of parliament, um, and calling for those two things So we'll likely be creating a page, an advocacy page, uh, to provide folks with details on on what to do and how to access their MP's email And hopefully we'll have that done by, uh, this week. Um So crossing the fingers that the global mail will actually print this, but at any rate, we'll we'll have an advocacy call, uh, regardless of whether they printed or not And I'd like to just jump in and remind folks that, um Connie and Cheryl have been sending messages to everyone on our list who has expressed interest in migrant justice And the way you can let us know about that if you are not already on our, uh Email list you can just go to the front page of the kairos website and I can dig up the link in a moment, but and Subscribe to the newsletter and be sure to check off migrant justice under the interest areas And of course anything else that you're interested in as well In terms of the work that we do and that way you'll be sure to get the messages Um, all of the messages that are regarding migrant justice um And of course you can don't need to wait for kairos to take the initiative in terms of letters and petitions, but always letters to your local paper And letters to your local MP in support of these messages are always welcome Connie and Cheryl do you have anything else to add in that regard? Only just the importance of letting your MP know and I know that this is a challenging time and your MP or MPs are very focused on the um the immediate needs of their constituents, but The more they hear um from their constituents on this issue or on any important issue like this one, um the more they will take notice and um Obviously The need is very high right now. Um, and certainly it's appropriate to to let them know that this is this is a very important issue that requires attention immediately um I just want uh You to know that um, I I've spoken to The management of the care facility that uh chaser uh worked up And I told him I I told them that chaser should be treated as one of the staff Of that facility and should you know receive all the support in care That the facility facility has extended to you know to their staff who had contracted or who Who who was who were tested positive? And i'm hoping chaser that you know, they will do this But but again it it it highlights the uh the disparity Uh between those with status and those without and and we have to fight this injustice and and and you know um, we want you to be with us carols has been doing this uh for years now and we are we are quite successful in some of the you know, uh The the issues that we we we face and advocated for example when they changed the the caregiver pilot program From the previous one to a new one that was that has taken effect last june 2019 Caregivers are now those apply after june june 2019. They are now processed as permanent resident applicants And and after completing the 24 months job requirement They will ease in to become you know permanent residents and this also changes, you know the fact that workers under the caregiver program who Who come to kanda Will be able to bring you know their children and their spouses with them through work permits and study permits to to respond to The separation the long period of separation issue so We're hoping that you know Faced with the pandemic and all the issues that you know, it it it it it kind of How do you say that? The injustice issues that we're seeing now that you know They were there before but now it's right in front of us Uh that you know changes will be made and this can only happen with you know With the broadest possible support that you can gather So the letters to the mps that cheryl that cheryl mentioned earlier Um, it's something that we would like to do and we'd like to reach out to you for support For for the participants who are here coming from different places across canada We would like to call on you To support us and you can always you know, call on us to for for resources support and information that you know that you mean Uh, thank you very much connie And everyone for coming. We are planning the next uh migrant justice update and webinar For may 19th and we'll hope you will join us. So we will update our events calendar shortly where you'll be able to get the um We're able to get the registration link as well as Sending an email out to everyone who has registered or Clicked on that migrant justice area in the subscribe. So thanks very much for being with us everyone and Yeah, thank you so much to zivia and to just thank you so much for sharing your stories Thank you. Goodbye everyone. Bye