 So it is just taking a course, which you know by your hobby, is that you can be able to have it translated into a business, you can do it yourself if not employed, because you find opportunities come, but with a skill, what are you doing else if you're not employed. So in entrepreneurship then we say our trainings are usually major on the focus or mainly focus on the core thing, but also we have free courses like for marketing, how do you market for your business, how do you source for your finances, how do you manage the business and how do you prepare for this as a business plan, how do you do everything that revolves around if you're not employed then go it yourself. Because opportunities are always there, in Kenya we don't have shortage of opportunities, it's only how do we manipulate them, how do you get that out. Yes, if you have the skill that's one step, you then look at what else can I do to be able to upgrade that gap and luckily we have some organizations which are doing the support. Yes, if you have an idea then you can translate it into business, it's viable when they are ready to finance and mentor you. Okay, amazing. Do you feel that in Kenya we need to create that culture from a tender age that people should think about what they can do and not fixed on being employed, entrepreneurship being introduced from even high school and everything so that when you get to Tivet or any higher institution of learning they have this in mind. Thank you Stephanie, we find that in the old system that we are just about to face out, day for for. If you just have KCSE, no matter which grade you got, it can be any, but you need that, you are not employable. You are just like, you are agreeing as someone who just with the KCPE. So we find that you are just given a platform, we have not created a pathway, the career pathway of what you want to do. Okay. Yes, and also we find that in college, university, that's how we equalize, you scored an A, you scored an IE, then the career wise we are just at par. But with the current, the new system of CBC, we are just having the career development right from the scratch. You are taking the path as you are age of eight, then you specialize from long ago. You don't have to eat for KCPE because now you have to, if you score very good grades in KCSE, then by any chance you take a wrong course, or the one that is not well connected with the market, then you find that that's really the work. Before now he comes back to retract and see which career path he or she should take. Okay. So for someone who has taken the wrong course and they want to chase themselves back, can they also open to coming to a TVT institution and getting a diploma or certificate on something that they can quickly learn, get the skills in and get into the market, right? Exactly. Because in the 21st century, we are saying education or career development is right from. There is no end. By the age of 29, just with education, by 35, by 40, we expect that you are going to be renewing your career. Because we find that the job market or the job industry is quickly evolving. Alright. So that's how TVT is there. You can re-engineer your career from time to time. Alright. If you did a course by when you are in your youth, then you're still open. You can come back to TVT, shorter time, less cost and achieve your goal. Wow, amazing. Now, taking you back to the STEM courses that is at the center of the heart of TVT institution in line with the government school 2030, where we are going as a country, how would you advise someone or why would you advise someone to take up a course in the STEM courses? Because usually perceived as very hard or meant for a specific people and maybe should be driven by passion. Are you saying that it's only people who think they can do it? Or are you advising people to get into the STEM courses because that's the future? Well, thank you. You find that in TVT, we have quite a variety of courses. But now the focus is on STEM courses. Why are we doing so? One, the career uptake or the job absorption rates for STEM courses is more. Second, for instance, you find that those doing electrical or engineering course, probably those are the people who think that I did well in physics. We don't check on that nowadays. We don't check on your grade that is called in maths. You still can be an engineer because whatever was there in primary school and secondary school is quite different. Now this is refined to the career. For example, it's just going to do business. The only mathematics they require is only statistics. Statistics and a bit of financial management and accounting. For those doing engineering, they only require, of course they are going to be borrowing quite a little bit from physics, but it's something which can be acquired hands on in a course. So there is nothing like I must have taken for instance, it's only for medical courses that we should say that you must be specific to biology or chemistry. But whether you fail in mathematics, there is always a starting point. So the career goal for STEM courses is one thing to be able to employ yourself is quite easy and again absorption to the job market is quite high. It's quite easy. Yes, quite easy. Oh, so that's why you advise someone to get into the STEM courses. Yes, because from the research that I've been done, if you only have for instance a course in humanities or business for instance, you don't have any technical skills. You only know I can start a hotel, but you don't know what goes on in the hotel. I can start for instance a spa or salon or barbershop, but you don't know what happens there. But somebody who has done for instance hairdressing already knows how that spa or salon should be able to run. So it's only now a software for how do you manage it now. But technically you are well prepared, is it? So you have the skill yet and to manage it becomes very easy. Yes, because it's only a little bit of technology. So we need to supplement for people that have already started and already in the job market. They can definitely take courses to supplement what they already have to be in line with the evolving technology space that we are in. Okay, finally as we come to a close of this, how would you say that TVET is a game changer for Kenya and why? Sure, TVET is a game changer. Why is because you find that in the last few exams, especially national exams KCSE, quite a mass of students are school bureau, school bureau the cut off point for university. And you see initially we are being programmentary, study hard. You go to university, you get an employment. But currently you find that those who pass are quite few and those who fail. So where do they go? Because we want to have a hassle smart economy that you are not just there, what can you do as an expert? You are being productive. Yes, productivity. So to bridge that gap, TVET is coming to help in bridging the skills gap in the national economy by having everyone at least has a special skill that can be that is employable or is productive when put into business perspective. So the future is TVET. Yes, you find that even in the university, currently we are having the university and a TVET within the same. That is even when they have realized that the future is not in the bacharas of each other. That's right. That you have lived for long. You don't require that much. Just have at least one employable skill. Wow. You just have at least one employable skill. Yes. What would you want to say as one thing that someone should take home from the whole conversation and maybe we can speak directly to your camera. This is your camera. Okay. So take home to the viewers of Y24, especially the youths. The future is just about what you can do with your skills, not the papers that you have. You can be a certificate holder or diploma holder or add some holder. But what will matter in the industry is can you be able to convert that into employable or something which can be able to earn new revenue. We should say you run, then you move the L, you start to earn. So the costs that we have are quite well connected to the industry and you can be able to convert that either to a business enterprise or you be absorbed in the job market. The future, like we are saying, is courses which are technical, electrical, engineering, probing and water engineering, journalism. We have courses in mechanical engineering, motor vehicle. We have courses in beauty and hairdressing. We have those courses that we have. We are going to get a skill. So in your career development, just reconsider having at least one skill that can convert into money. Thank you. Amazing, thank you. Where can people get you if someone wants to reach out? You can reach us out in Dika Town. Building is an area center just opposite Dika Stadium. You can also reach us via our telephone number 0722-518-307. I repeat again, 0722-518-307. You can also reach us out on our Facebook, Transafric Courage Tika or Transafric Accountancy and Management Courage Tika. Thank you. Okay, thank you very much, Violet, for coming on board and sharing amazing insights around how our TVET institution looks like and the importance of having employability skills. Thank you, thank you. We appreciate it. Alright, so that has been a wonderful conversation with Juan Barnett Kishuhi, who's the Dean of Professional Studies at Transafric College. I hope you have a take home from this. If you've just listened, make sure you have an employability skill and TVET institutions are there to offer this to you, alright? So we're going to take a short break and then we'll be coming back with more Val and Brian Sakwa who will be coming on your screens and not too long. Remember the hashtags he uses one in the morning at Y254 channel. See you in a bit.