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You know what I'm saying I've been wanting to talk to these guys. I don't know what the L.A. trying to find a D Man I people saying man when you gonna get him I'm bragging about it at the Cadillac house this morning man I got a D and then the niggas say you got smack. You know smack. I say yeah I think you say that nigga with him. Yeah, I say man He said man that nigga got a good conversation and this was Mexican dudes man So you guys man check it man. Y'all already know I done said the names man my boy D My boy smack in the building man. What's going on man? It's good man. Is this our first time down here in H town? Y'all run these streets already know y'all jumping a plane in a minute. We were we were we in here in a minute though But we were having fun Say man, so I mean how important is it man with with you guys growing your platform How important and I know you gonna stop me but how important is it for y'all to move around and and go to different places? It's part of the job though. I mean I feel like my whole My whole pool has always been Networked that's been my biggest my biggest tool in the game. Just just networking stay networking Stay meeting new people build a new opportunities man I'm gonna mr. Make. I'm not gonna do you like that because I know already I get to talk and I'll leave you behind I'm I'm gonna let you talk to him. I'm gonna let you do it now. You better get what you get is smack is here 80 is here Okay, you know we women we like to know y'all as a person It's not always about it who you are on you know the screen and stuff like that So were you born and raised california born and raised? Yep. Compton california Compton california and you south central south central Wow, what's the difference Like people who don't know the difference between the two that's a that's a good question right there because people always say that So south central is technically Compton is a part of south central. Okay. Yeah, it's um LA county. So basically you have different cities. So like We have like our territories. That's where you consider where we're from So if you hear somebody say you from LA like not from Compton, it's still Los Angeles though, but They get very very defensive like I just say california because I'm like so I don't get wrong But they're like no, you can't say LA is like I'm not from LA. I'm from Compton. I'm from here Maybe tripping Watts Long Beach in south central. So we're smackers from that's considered like we consider LA When you from LA, that's we say that's LA man I'll be saying I think I said this morning when I was talking about my partner got to a restaurant in Culver City I don't even know if that's LA or what I said in LA nigga But it ain't in LA is it? What would you say Culver City? That's LA Okay, cool, I didn't even set up because I should have said I'm like It ain't south central but it's Los Angeles. Wow but then when um like for people who don't know anything about California, Compton, all of those. When I hear about south central or Compton I'm thinking about gangs violence like I'm not supposed to even go down there Don't even let me stay up here in the tourist areas Is it really like that or people can come through and like check it out? Like when they see that on TV people like I do want to see but I'm scared should they come Should they not come because when you think about Jamaica people like oh, no I'm gonna stay in the tourist areas of Jamaica because I hear or Jamaica. They'll be killing. They'll be doing this They'll be doing that. They do but no not everywhere Yeah, they do. I've been I know I'm going in a few months. They do. I've been in Jamaica. I had a great time Yeah, you stayed. You knew who you was with though. True. You didn't go where you need to be Did you? I ain't going anywhere. You can't stop at the stoplight at night You got to go through that whole flow and you got to keep going they tell you That what they tell me. Yeah, don't stop at the stoplight at night. What that mean guys? That means that means that mean we're stopping in LA. We're stopping in Vegas. We're stopping in Chicago Depends on what part I bet you. Oh, no, we're stopping everywhere, but no, it depends on what part No, they might shoot your car up or something, but y'all niggas can't stop at no lights at night No, no depends on what part Downtown downtown Kingston is where we was at. Well downtown you can't But certain parts you can. God damn it. I feel like Jamaica is probably worse than anything, you know what I'm saying I mean, yeah No, but but for the most part I think every place has as good and it has as bad That's right You know, it's the energy that you're bringing because it's a lot of like just like having the nipsey mural Like there's people who come from all over the world. They go take pictures and stuff They have no problems going in and out and you know, that's considered a hood though Yeah, yeah, yeah, all walks of life go through there. It's no problem but And it's bad to say this and this is me. I say whatever I think okay Because a lot of times I tell people I don't know so the only way you're gonna learn is by you asking questions but um The people who come and take pictures and do all of this stuff If they're white and they're coming in those areas They don't nobody don't even mess with them But if you black they want to you know, probably question you depends on what color you have how you look All all of that sort of stuff. Why is that so self-hatred? We hate ourselves. We've been tricked for a long period of time And you know It's up to people like us in these positions to sit there and educate the youth and show them it's a different type of way You know, I feel like a lot of the young brothers going growing up now. They're a lot smarter than they was before And you know, it's just I mean especially where we come from Back in the days like Bloods and Crips couldn't get to couldn't be cool with each other and stuff And now you may see, you know, Crips and Bloods. They they tighter than anybody now. Right. You know, I mean, so this is It was a lot of division a lot of self-hatred and I feel like now it's getting better But um, you guys man, like I said man, when I see y'all man, I really I'm proud of what you guys represent man Because you guys are the you like like mr. Servant told me y'all y'all the black media man You guys are the or who people listening to our youth is listening to y'all man And I'm listening and looking at you guys as well because the way you guys scale, man I'm gonna be honest with you with no jumper and all that you guys here added so much over there that I seen it Bro, and and I admired it and but also I wanted to make sure because y'all my people like is what's going on But yeah, man, I just felt like that was the biggest thing with me And and I know already you guys are young men And and to be honest with you when you're older you look at that like am I did I do my job? So um Growing up Are you say smack? Yeah, I'm asking the same question. I want to hear it because y'all from the two different sides I need to know the answers differently Um growing up. What did you want to be because I know that this is not what you wanted to do as a kid growing up Um, I just always wanted to be I just wanted to be a rapper That was it and just not necessarily just like I used to look up to ice cube So I was like, you know what? I want to be a rapper You know, I want to transition into movies and all type of stuff like that. So that was always like a Dream and a passion for me. No as a kid You did all of that. Yeah, I used to I used to just write raps. Um, I used to My grandmother resting piece. She used to have these uh lectures She's worked with a company unified school district and she used to have all these lectures on cassette tapes I used to find her old cassette tapes that was under the bed And I would just record my favorite songs on the radio And just, you know, copy them and try to rap and sound like them like dj quick and Pah corrupt snoo All the all the west coast og's and um, just started writing raps gone to that and like around my space Had a little mickey mouse mic, you know sound recorder on the uh computer and just started uploading my songs in my space And then just keep doing End of getting like a deal at all. Um, I had a I had a couple deals. So what happened with it? um, I mean the independent the independent route Because back then it wasn't independent independent wasn't a thing back then. Um, I ain't that old But but see the thing is that she she walking down the dark road right now And to be honest with you if you ain't been a man if you ain't bougie bun ton and one of them She is not understanding. I'm gonna I already know you do me. I done been studying She you only don't jump over there. She supposed to be at your house asking you hey, man Was you married? Uh, did your daddy married is she don't both be over there, but now she in the music So i'ma let it go. Let's get it. Okay. Okay. Let leave me alone No, but um, okay fine So Growing up Your mom and dad were you raising same household or were you the statistic? statistic um Pops and my mom's wasn't together. They broke up around I want to say I was nine nine or eight Okay, so they were together for a while and we stayed in my grandmother's house And and they was together for a while, but you know when you nine you a baby you don't remember that stuff Also, you don't remember a lot of it. No, my dad wouldn't uh, he was he was all he was all hustling He was all getting itself Yeah But your mom she was more because I always tell people being a mom It's very very instrumental for mom to be in this child Even a boy's life at an early stage because we teach you how to love how to take care Because most boys who just raised with their dad from a kid. They're so hardcore. They don't know how to Sense this side my mom. She was working two jobs And I'll be in my grandma. Oh, so that's who raised you. Yeah So how do you feel as a kid? Was it like just normal to you or did you feel like man? Why my mom or dad can't be around? Um, it was normal because you know, that's why everybody Everybody was like, hey, he ain't got no dad over there or he don't he don't have two parent household like everybody around me Didn't have it. So that was normal. It was normal and the same for you too. Yeah, I'm just my mom raised me Just your mom. Where was your dad? This this around the corner Smacks the one he the one around the corner. So did you know him? You knew him? Yes Did you spend time with him? He never claimed me never claimed you there ideals. I told you Did you grow up hating him because of that? As a kid, yeah, but I grew up out of that. You did. I forget but I don't forget You forgave. Yes. How long did it take you to forgive because you know as a kid you still gonna hate for a while 27 and I'm 30 now Wow, what happened? Why you forgave? What what what could a lot of people out here who watching this show still hating on On their dad or something like that wishing they'd die. I've heard it all And I always tell them you got to let it go because it's going to be passed on to your kids Right, right. You understand what I mean? So what happened in your life? Why you figured out I got to let this go Because I had a good mother That didn't teach me to hate nobody. You feel me? She always said that's your daddy no matter what you feel me even though he come get your older brother It don't get you really don't hate him Yeah, but it is mostly due to her and his brother my uncle Big D that raised me. Wow. So he was like my dad So he came and got your older sibling and didn't get you yeah never came and got me that's crazy Did he feel like You weren't his because you know some men be like well he ain't mine You know what I guess he did because when the dna test came back 99.9. He said yeah He says the white man test, you know, I'm like That's a cop out Wow I'm sorry about that, but it makes you a stronger person for real. You have kids now. No, ma'am not yet Not shit. Do you want? Yeah, eventually once I get a house on where my kids that grow up like I did I like trying to figure it out now Because most men who go through the things that you always try to overcompensate for their kids and be like I'm not gonna be like my daddy. I'm gonna be there. I'm gonna do you know, you hear a lot of that my kids life Right. Oh parents see. I love that. That's good I'll tell you what man like I said family is very important and I think like my older brother He never really met his dad or when he did it wasn't no really just connection because he used My dad is his dad and I think because of that. He's so look his kids They write that with him his whole family. He it makes you stronger in that aspect You start to look at things on I'm not gonna let this happen to me the way my father did Now my father was there But the nigger wasn't right a lot of times a lot of stuff He did wasn't right and I rocked with it because I loved him But I learned later on to love him even more because I felt bad for him because my granddad It wasn't really a good grandfather when really I ain't gonna say it wasn't a good dad grand dad But his son he killed one of his sons on the back of a truck There was some stuff that happened my dad got shot in the head, you know All kind of stuff that doesn't happen to him and then for him to still hang in there as a father And still be there for me even though he was there and sometimes he didn't know how to do things He didn't come to those football games and stuff that I did But he still was my dad and you can't really come around me and talk about your dad really in a bad way Because he at least got you here, you know what I'm saying So let that nigger make it because I promise you start looking down the road where he come from You're going to see why he did what he done. You know what I'm saying? So you feel sorry for him when you start to see my dad told me the same thing before Yeah, he told me my dad never told me he loved me mine either. He said I don't know He said he didn't know how to be a father. Yeah mine either So that's the older you go back you go so far back though And you start to hint slavery and stuff too and a lot of time people don't want to even act as if that thing affected us They be trying to grow past it like don't say nothing about it But we as we as brothers and sisters have to acknowledge that so that we can grow, you know What I'm saying genealogy is important man, but that's why I hear them calling this generation a generation to break curses That's what they call this generation because this generation is speaking up so much more about how they feel You know before back in the days. It was like no, you suck that up. You were man. What you're talking about Be tough now people like no we need to talk about this I don't need to pass this hurt on to my children or my children's children because it does pass on whether you believe it or not Yeah, because you know you talk about your dad and the only thing I can think of now is Your brother, how did you feel towards your brother because I can feel I can figure out that Any regular person would be like Hating not hating. I don't want to use that strong word But this liking your brother because like why you why he picking you up and not me type of thing But now I never was that with me and my brother because like I was into low riders And he used to come pick my brother up in the low rider. My brother was into video games So when he used to come get cori cori be like, I don't want to go. I want to stay in the room and play video games Take Kevin. He like shame Come on Okay, so now I'm in the window crying because I want to go with cori in the low rider the cori don't even like low riders He want to stay in the back room and pay to tend those 64 sega genesis all day So we always and he always came back and whatever you gave him he always split it with me. Oh, that's cool You got a great brother. Yeah That's a real great brother. Yeah So I'm I definitely want to get into it, you know Just the whole you know the way you guys changed over y'all formats, you know and started doing the other Um, I do want to ask you like when you guys first uh, when you first linked up with uh, adam And you went over there. What was that all about? Like how did that even happen? Um It was just no expectations. Like I ended up I ended up running into adam At uh, my guy o3 gritos video shoot. Okay him and maxo cream moves from houston Um, I went to the video shoot side of maxo. Yeah, so max. How long ago was that? This was like 2018, I believe 2018 yeah And at the time like, you know, I heard his name my little brother put me on He was like this guy's the one that's you know, he's doing all the interviews with the rappers and they're blowing up So everybody in the city wanted an interview So I ran him to him at the video shoot and I was like, hey introduce myself. I was like, hey, man Let's do an interview. So he's like, I got you and I ended up doing the interview with him Just just as a rapper. Um, we had a great time. It was funny Like a lot of great conversation. Like it's you know, it's still on youtube right now Um, yeah, it was dope and then I guess I left the impression on him and I want to say maybe Six months later He was like, hey, we want to test out some things and doing all this and at the time I'm not thinking of like podcasting. No, I'm not thinking like I want to do podcasting or I want to be This in this space like I'm thinking like, okay I'm a rapper if it's a situation that can help expand my music and give me more eyes then I'm down So I went and I did like this test pilot for some type of content and then they probably didn't hit me back to like three months later and um Quarantine that happened So, you know, at first Adam hit me. He was like, he got a snapchat show He was like, he think I'd be good for it. And I was like, I said, I'll try it out. Like I ain't trippin I said in my head. I'm like, I'm not gonna do this full time though because To me it takes away from the music side of things So I was like, I never wanted to take it away from the music side. So Once I started doing the snapchat stuff. I was like, all right You know, it's cool and then quarantine happened Everything shut down. You ain't got nowhere to go. Ain't no rap shows. It ain't nothing So everything shut down. I'm like, I'm like, okay I just kept going back. It was it was convenient close to my house And I just kept doing that and I just noticed starting noticing like different race people coming up to me Because before this like people wouldn't, you know Street background and stuff people, you know, they wouldn't be scared to come talk to you. Yeah They'd be like, oh, you know later they'll hit you up on on dm. Like, hey, I seen you after what's it called? I'm like, man, why don't you say nothing? But that's the type of aura that I was giving out and I didn't like that. Yeah So I look at you knew that though. And because a lot of like a lot of my older music It's a lot of like street game banging Compton type stuff and yeah I'm thinking and and now I can, you know, honestly say Um, I came to a roadblock to where I was like, you know what? Am I putting the right message out there to the youth? Because if I'm sitting here, you know Moving on in life living, you know living better and doing things progressing and I'm taking care of my kids And I'm doing that but I'm making street songs And you know, sometimes people yeah Sometimes people will tell me like, oh man, you make me want to go shoot up something Yeah, and I'm like that ain't the type of energy that I want to give across like I'm a genuine good dude Yeah, I like you know, I'm saying I like to uplift people. Yeah, I don't like to you know If it's some type of confrontation I always my grandma always taught me like hey, let's try to you know, rectify the situation If we can't then we can get to this and everything else But for the most part I started seeing like I had songs like crib lives matter. Yeah. Yeah stuff like that You did but but early on you and yg y'all did some stuff together like being from from from from that side You know at the end of the day it was like, okay, you know at the you know, you I understand But you grew you got older too during the process So I think that's something because when a lot of my partners get locked up a lot of time people come home They'd be like he changed well, he was gone for five years or he was gone for four years Or if you just growing up and coming into your greatness Yeah, you're gonna feel like that and there's nothing wrong with transformation man in evolution, right? So I think that's live bro. Like and I think that even though You you see what you was going through and you see those people coming to you That's just God picking at you saying maybe moving to the next level man. That's hard, bro Yeah, my and my grandmother she would you know, like I have I have both sides my grandmother she was Beautiful angel on earth always taught me somebody still from you, you know They probably need them more than you do and um always forgive people the importance of family and I didn't get it You know, I rebelled against that at a young age. So I didn't like want to hang on my family like that I was outside in the streets of my homeboys And I I felt like at the time I probably put my friends more above family and then as I got older I was like damn family is really all that you really had People that nigga can switch up on you and things can happen and yeah man my grandma she told me that so I had her heart, but you know, I'm going outside. I gotta adapt. Yeah Because my homeboys say we into this we into this we into that Can't go over here can't go over there and they didn't understand that But the the thing is man, like I said again having that foundation is so important man And and and I think that's so live man I really like I said, I think with You going over there just as much as you said that a no jumper basically before Adam 22 like For him for you like you say things changed when you went over there for as people start coming up to you I believe that the other side also start coming up to him And it start respecting him because of you So because of your of your blackness to be honest, which is y'all being so Like people like you like you probably know who spoke to the nigga for what for him Think about it. Yeah, so that's the way it be and it's a good it's a win win So it is a win to me that to me it's a combo of things though correct because at one point Yes, he's getting his interviews off But on the other end like we don't have no real platform in Los Angeles That you could just go other than the radio. Yeah, which like You're 1% that gets to go to the radio. So, you know in the same sense Yeah, you could say that but i'm giving i'm gonna give respect to say like it's a platform Yeah, that you know people from our communities Whether right or wrong for better or for worse get to go out there and get some exposure So to me that was the dope part. I think that's dope too, but yet and still with you being over there It brings a whole aura to where people feel comfortable going over there I gotta say that you know i'm saying that that's gonna turn it up I'm beyond it and it's gonna turn it up in a way that where did you and and i'm gonna ask this and i'm gonna let you talk Because i didn't know that Did you did you feel like you was making a difference when you was doing it? Yeah, because you know Now people are coming up to me instead of saying hey, you turn me up when i'm doing this They're like bro, you're bringing you help bring joy to my life. That's funny. You you know i'm saying you i'm getting I'm getting respected for my personality now. That's all right. So yeah, that was amazing No, I was just gonna go back to when you were talking about you know the things that um your grandmother instilled in you and i always The rappers that are listening upcoming rappers or you know the older rappers What could you tell them to motivate them because you were in that spot that was talking about killing and all this stuff and Now you're somewhere else. You realize that it's not getting them anywhere How can you advise these people who are doing that same thing who is where you were? Um, just have good people around you You know that's real important, especially as young black men If you don't have a great male role model You're gonna find a bad male role model and that can like deter your whole life and stuff too So I mean just me personally i've always seen where I lived and where I came from I knew it wasn't the end all be all Like my mind said was somewhere else and i'm like, okay. I just got to get there So I always knew I I believe in god. I got faith always. No god I'm like god's gonna take me here and he ain't never made me, you know Go downward of all it's always been like this It's been a slow grind and I appreciate the slow grind because in the slow grind I've learned so much more and you know, it makes me appreciate things today Man, that's my boy. D. He don't boss talk one on one man. I love it. I love that baby No, I love the growth because one thing as a mother You know, you tell these kids The thing you want them to do good just like how you say you ran from that And we don't want you to run we want you to change and change right now But I've learned that it works in god's time So Don't be scared to tell these kids and you don't be scared to pass your information on to these kids They might not hear you right now, but you heard eventually And you were able to change. You know what I mean smack man. What's up, man? Listen, man, I I'm gonna be honest with you, man You kind of I'm looking over that because I heard about the time in g situation about him hood blogging You know what I'm saying, but then that's a white guy, right? Yeah, like and and this is is this after y'all leave No jumper No, I'm still there. You were still there. Okay, cool. I'm just trying to make sure you don't want no problem You know So that's right. What was the what was the what was the deal with that? Uh, how can I how can I put in perspective basically like We already had agreement. So I'm telling him I don't promote gangs. I'm not promoting that So when we got over there, he asked in all these crazy questions that could get people indicted. Wow So I'm steady like hey, that's out. That's out So then when it all was said and done and open with now you go title it Oh hanging in the hood. That's like, come on, bro. I don't do that. I don't promote that I don't support that bro. Like you trying to get me in jail and put a gang injunction on me or something Like then I had my manager hit him up. Tell him take it down with this untitled He didn't want to listen. I'm like, you know what god got me. I ain't worried about it But there ain't the message that I want to put out Yeah, and I get it man because you got to understand man when you because you got a whole brand now people People don't really look at this the way that they ought to a lot of time because it comes to them So fast and they never had to there's no class for this There's no nothing to tell you how to do this You just end up in a situation where you have to learn this as you go So when you get in those situations, you start to be like, man, this ain't right You know what I'm saying? You know when somebody's trying to pull a fast one on right, you know what I'm saying? So I definitely commend you for even recognizing that and for for you to say that and to be a young man Like you that show where y'all at man. That's hard, bro Like I said, man, that that's the hardest thing when you like I said earlier being You know was it was dope for me was gangster for me is taking care of your family I'm just I'm just with that like I'm with that so with that because at the end of the day A lot of our brothers and a lot of our sisters have been mislead and misguided and separated and divided So we got to find a way to bring that back together. I think that happens with us You know what I'm saying? So but does that make you very precautious about the people that you actually next time sit down with? Yeah, I just live and learn so next time if they ask me anything about anything No comment. Right. Yeah, man. Ad what what what when I look over at him as well I remember about you know, you gave him the chain this show he crying on there or whatever having Smack showing love because it means something bro. Like to have a have something to say. I'm a part of something Yeah See that's what people don't realize when I look at gangs and all that stuff This family or anything grows up into something and then they're always bad People make it that's the part people people like to look at the bad before the good to be honest with you So how what did that mean for for him to give you that chain? It meant a lot and him big chief only meant a lot to me I never got nothing like that's hard. You feel me like I got stubborn not like this You feel me and the love they showed me since I've been around was like crazy So for them to do that and I didn't know nothing about it. I didn't know it was no chains coming I didn't know nothing. I just went to do my job and work. That was it When it came through it was like like like upside let it out. Love one. I had to let it out like whoa Wow, this whole man told but how did y'all meet though? Oh You too me and Eddie in the streets in the streets. Okay. How are y'all? How long ago was that? This is what bring 10 years ago. Really? Okay, because y'all from two different sides. So that's why I was trying to figure out Well, I mean everybody clubbed the same places Yeah, so you Yeah, you run to each other. He's just a good dude. Just always wow So big chief explain that to me those man. Those are my brothers right there Lifestyle cannabis company. It's the brand shout the mj shout the chief the whole squad. Um, yeah, I met these guys Randomly my dj introduced me to him. I'm not the biggest weed smoker I do it. I do it every once in a while And with so many people having cannabis brands now. It's like It's it's overwhelming. Yeah It's like I I used to just be super alcoholic. I'm like damn. I can get 5 000 pounds of weed But no one ever wants to give me liquor. So that's how much weed is in the city. So My my friend he took me to their warehouse And we just had a great conversation. They were good dudes and it was like, you know what? I know he don't smoke like that, but we want to work with him And at the time they had all these artists wanted to do collabs and stuff and it was just like man There's something about this guy. I want to work with them and we sat there. We put a plan together I have my own strain right now. It's called the uzamaki. All right, people love it What makes your strand different from anybody else's strand the heart the love the care Yeah, it smells amazing and it's a play of um Naruto. So Naruto is my favorite anime. You know, I know Naruto. My kids are into that. So that like That story of Naruto Kind of like remember it kind of reminded me of myself in a way And I was like it kind of like changed and just having that mindset of like Basically never giving up and stuff too. So that's been a big part of my life And I was like, all right, we're gonna spin off of that and we made the uzamaki pack Yeah, I like it man. Like I said, man, you guys man amaze me man because you really what people don't realize Wrap it up put it in the hope. It's just entrepreneurship And I love it because that's the whole part about the game when when the rappers started come on the scene Being an older cat and seeing the the the money that started trans. I don't care if it's a 360 They will take it. I don't care what if we didn't we didn't have nothing So we taking it and then when we take it we're gonna flip it Like we always do we're gonna turn into some y'all never could have made it out of we used to do that back at the Outhouse so I know already what what about to happen? You give us an inch. We're taking miles You're we taking countries, right? So that's the whole game man I just I just love the fact that that you guys got in early because y'all money so much powerful More powerful than mine because you got more years under you to where you can take that And flip that and learn how to do stuff that's gonna help so many people I'm just giving it to you the way boss talk one-on-one Go ahead, bro So I want to know T-Rail Yes, yeah, well y'all got to argue a little bit. But yes, they got to But that's the way we do though. Yeah, so what happened? How did that happen? We just Put it like We argue all the time. That's my friend. We argue all the time, but you feel me with certain stuff I was doing with kept his nerves back. You feel me and it just got to a point You feel me where his nerves clicked and It went like that, but you know, that's my brother. I love it. I would say T-Rail is a perfectionist. Yeah, and he wants he wants things to be perfect. He wants Everything to be the best and when guests come over he wants him to be on point If you feel like he's lacking he's gonna yell at him He's gonna yell at everybody around. That's me. Yeah, that's how I like me though You got to get this right Yeah, so, you know at the time I feel like he looked at him like, oh you holding the showdown right now Yeah, and it just made him feel like react. It was actually my fault though Really? Yeah, I blame myself because I think when he was hugged him and then I seen the whole He like what's this nigga thing? He's got babies in his head He's got babies in his own? It was to me as I say it was my fault because I felt like the energy was getting there and smack is looking at me I knew that's why you did that because I know him and he'll be like, okay If I can't be myself, then I'll just shut up And I'm like I'm trying to tell him. Hey, bro. Keep the show going. It ain't nothing Whatever, so I'm sitting there doing that and as I see him going back and forth I'm like, nigga, you good grab him and I see you turn around like hey What you doing? That's what yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know at the end of the day, like I said, we're gonna have That's that's a part of this, you know, I just shot out money. Moses this morning He wanted to be here. He couldn't be here and he called me whooped the whoop Wop on the phone and I told her I say look We when we go somewhere just it's a part of team and it's a part of Of love too because at the end What I say when we're at the end I say, hey, man, I love you, bro You know I'm saying we'll make it up next time. We'll do something I miss another one. No Because I'll make it up like we're gonna we're not giving up on nobody ain't nobody going back We going forward, you know what I'm saying when you look like me. It's my responsibility I am here. I am older than you by 20 years I can't stoop down and start arguing with you like I'm supposed to be better than that So I'm supposed to be showing you the way. How can I show you the way if I yeah We're gonna get frustrated But I supposed been them been to a place over the last 20 years where you wasn't even around Where that frustration was able to be handled So as an older man, I look at it as I got more to do so I'm gonna make it right But at the end of the day, I'm going to teach you a lesson within it. You know what I'm saying That's what we gotta do. So for you and him to even do that. I know it ain't nothing I know it ain't nothing because y'all brothers, you know, like he he owned me like my mama said if I'm on you It's for a reason that's why I'm not gonna just be on you just be on you So for him to be on me, he want me to do better. He want me to be greater You feel me and that's it like we homie since I was a kid man He filmed these fires older than me. I grew up with him and his brother slept in his houses All that you feel me. It just looked crazy on camera to people. But yeah, no, it ain't that's what you gotta understand, man That's gonna happen. It's gonna be ups and downs. I'm at the studio all the time till I'm older and I'm perfectionist too So I get that part. So I'm running people out. I'm Making people leave because they don't point if you get high nigga, you can't hold your hold your own Nigga don't even get how you playing. I'm like, nigga, you playing. It can't be that good. You don't smile We got a show to do these people them flew in and come on this show You better be right on this show. So that happens a lot of time But on the behind the scenes or me and her we may get into it about certain ways that we want little things to happen But nothing's bigger than our marriage But still that's a part of growth when somebody love you man and love what y'all doing together Man, that's gonna happen and y'all as me and you you step up and change the whole algorithm and say, you know what man Next week we back at it again. You know what I'm saying? So I go So when you were on the show um with adam, how much input did y'all have on that show? Whereas the show how it went and so forth. Oh, we have full input On everything on everything. Yeah, it was well, I mean it was just basically It's just like, you know, he said earlier. There's no rules to this There's really no handbook to it. Some people can give you pointers and yeah, certain Basic things that you know, like trying not to talk over each other and certain stuff like that But for the most part like A show like how we had You can't predict that it's just, you know pure energy pure fun. So and you know, as long as the views is there I mean, hey here take all the inputs you need. That's it. So yeah, we have full input on everything Yeah, you know and I said I wasn't gonna talk about gotta bring it up when charlson white was on my show My people want to know about, you know, me and you sitting here today We finally got together, but the people want to know what they don't want to know like man They linked about me when they had they I was so I wasn't even mad because I'm older like I just told you I think But in my mind, I'm like, did he just say boss talking on the black podcast? I think he said the black podcast Hey At the time I'm going back and forth. I'm watching the And I'm like, oh, yeah, they they low-key throwing shots on me. Yeah You know me I said, yeah, they don't keep throwing shots to your show like that. So I was like, all right. That's cool But I was like the black podcast. Okay You know what thing though, man? I just knew like like because we look alike. I'm being honest with you I'm always thinking man. I got to meet this dude. I got it Didn't I was I kept saying, you know how many people are sending us bad notes about that? They love y'all, bro Like I got so much bad dinner. I got so much Emails people calling Everything like man, y'all suck. Why y'all go why you say that buddy? I was here and all that and yeah, the trolling is real 22 yeah, and I was like man, you know, but in my mind I was like man, it ain't bigger than that When I meet them that's when it's gonna be real. It ain't real right now because the internet is tricky, man And they can twist and turn anything you say Into something totally different. Yeah, and magnify it a thousand times And you know, I ain't let my wife even be on them episode when we were when that was happening You know what I'm saying, didn't you? It was just me and money Moses and Charleston It was like, but you know at the end of the day, you know after that, you know Charleston us we had our little old situation But that's a part of this game man him in camp capone news him and all of this stuff was happening in real time You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day man, like I say we all look alike and we got to figure it out And it ain't nothing wrong with getting into it as long as you figure it out Hey, man, this is gonna happen. We got to move forward. So how did you how did you end up? Because I know it changed your rhythm. Yo, I heard you say man I heard you say like man, I really don't think I got no problem with this dude, man, because man, really You know I'm saying my uncle. I think you said your dad or your uncle somebody knew it And you were like, man, you know, I ain't really I could sit down with the dude or whatever And and I thought that was noble, you know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, you've got to be able to get past your differences, man You know what I'm saying? It can't be something to just just pretty much I'ma get to anything what I see. Oh, people was mad that I said that I know it. You know, listen, man, man, bro, but I'm a but I'm a person like I don't If it's something that I want to do I want to leave by example. Yeah, I want to be no follower. So, you know, I felt like when I made the statement that I made it was a hundred percent wrong Yeah, you know, I mean a hundred percent wrong shouldn't have said that and I can own that as a man Like it wasn't cool. So the reactions that I got I deserve those reactions Yeah, because I I mean he didn't know me and maybe that's how God wanted it to work He didn't know me from a can of paint And once I say what I said he He said oh, he was going in he go I put him in that seat and I'm the one I ain't gonna lie. I can't lie I'm the one that I set it up. I gotta be real which I seen you say that He did an interview with camp coupon news. I recorded it That's when he was interviewing there. I said when you get through Turn around I say because we can get on here because ad said he'll set you up Didn't I do it? I put it to God said we're gonna get this nigga In a way that we've been figure this out why he want to set you up. Do you know that nigga? That's me like and I knew that I didn't know how hard he was gonna go. I ain't gonna lie to you I don't never know you can't tell which way you're gonna go with it But at the end of that I knew we're gonna be something different I was like, oh here we go and and then what tripped me out People try to take it after that and run with and try to get into the situation I seen all the other People would platform. They try to you know, bring him on and talk about it. They jumped off that awful boss talk But at the end of the day, I ain't trippin on that. I just know I did that but I also knew I knew he's gonna get at him too. I knew I knew I knew Adam was gonna get it because And that's the thing too is that Once that situation happened I'm over there. I'm going to his youtube Looking for what he's talking about in responses and I just end up like man this nigga entertaining I can't even cap like he's saying the most wildest shit But I'm like this nigga is entertaining and and it's crazy too because smack didn't he end up blocking you? And he fuck a he fuck with Charleston having all he messed up though when he When you Because uh one day I was leaving the studio and I'm uh driving he on live He was he was talking to somebody and gave the number out and didn't know that he was still alive thought he muted it So I called on the 200 times the whole way hour whole Hey, so I'm fucking with him. He like Gay or something strong with you He was killing it So now he I just I was just on him. I'm like, man, I like this dude though He said a while stuff. Yeah before he get off. He know how to clean it up. You know, like he said when I get on this camera I'm a character. Yeah, what do you mean? He had characters. So now I'm doing my research He like when I just respect people I call him by the hood name that ain't they real name He's like like basically me. My name s mac. He can say f s mac But he never said f kevin deshaun hambrick. Yeah, who's the sands are raised. That's that's a slippery slope, bro I'm telling you right now. That's a very slippery slope. I tell you that's just a nickname. Yeah, that's a nickname But that's why I said the wrong way when he's after dead and all that. That's what makes me crazy That's what makes him go real crazy. That's why mevin farm was like, um, you know He went in about nipsey and about Buntry and all of those different people that's dead and he went in on he was like man Nobody gonna disrespect nipsey hustle took it will you know y'all remember that ever So this is something that that it's a slippery slope So you got to know how to how to deal with this because like I said before A lot of those people who they only go by that nickname. They only known in the hood by that name So they you know, it can turn crazy looking, you know, um, we had our altercations You know what I'm saying and I never spoke back or never even talked about because at the end of the day Me he never called me or me and him never spoke Wrong to each other. He was doing his internet thing me and my wife. I was like, you know what I never because I don't talk First of all, I knew you can't never take that back down So if you really watch the episode you're gonna see I need to stay in character Because I know already this is a legacy for my kids to watch When I'm dead and gone y'all know that right? So you can't be on here just crazy now And that's why when me making a statement like that I don't want people to see that and be like, oh this is I'm I'm just you know Being the person that they think I am a nigga You know what I mean? So I'm going on this platform and that doesn't show no progression So I get you know through all these obstacles in life and I'm living good And I'm doing what I'm doing and I go on camera and I say some shit like that That bring me right back down to where I was in the first place. So I had to recognize that man I'm gonna show you you're a human being we all you know make mistakes. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you um, and she can attest to this I didn't even put out the hard stuff Just think I know it's body crazy. I got some way don't know I got some stuff that I didn't even put out I still got tons of footage from charlston white that I've never posted nothing else after he had it We left our deal where we left it. I kept on moving and he kept on moving And at the end of the day, I knew already certain things when you put it out there You you can't never pull it back. Right and so for adam 22 You but more adam God the things that he said I got it like whoa It's some stuff that he said I would never put out man because I know already It looks a certain way on your platform when you look at uh say, uh, you remember when kanye said what he said people coming back out Apologizing because you know, you know, it looks a certain way So you don't want to be caught up in a situation where you look a certain way And we don't look the right way to our people, bro Yeah, so I commend you for even coming back and saying, you know what man, I did I shouldn't have said it, you know what I'm saying? And and it looked like and you up there with a white guy Trying to say you're gonna set up a black guy. That's bad. That's what it looked like. We do like that too And that's what it and that's the way he played it too. He played it all the way. Bam. He knocked it out of the park That's what I was saying. You got me there You got a rip shot. What was you saying when you seen these clips coming by man? I was At first I was getting pissed off because I know it's nothing that I could do about it All right, all right Then I see him gonna say cheese. I see it would go everywhere. It would blow up I can't say I there's nothing that I can do because if I if I threaten him I've already been threatening this man. You tell me that looks bad because man like people was telling me that was like, hey You know, half of the people are like, hey, yeah, go go go dude. Yeah, but the other half is like, come on, man That's a black man. That's right. So I'm sitting there thinking about it. I'm like, okay This is not the brand that I don't even want to be pushing right now. Me setting up somebody to hold the guy and then hold the guy and I say the guy that's got got really handicaps all kind of stuff I say that to the world Wow hundreds of thousands of people watching that and that's what come out of my mouth. So I'm like, ah, that's not cool Yeah, so, you know, once I once I got on the phone with him. I apologize to him about that Yeah, yeah, and that's what it take man. That's big. That's real being Like I said, when a when apology is something that's due then a real man Pick up the phone and say, hey, you know what man? I was wrong. I shouldn't even say that you ain't saying nothing to me Really for me to even say that to you. So I should I'm man enough to call you and say man You didn't deserve that and and that's hard, bro Because at the end of the day you release him unforgiveness is something else You hold a person in a place when you're unforgiving them But when you forgive them you release them and that's what's so cold about it. You know what I'm saying But I like it man. I'm I'm I'm be honest with you. I thank you guys. I ain't man. Listen man Y'all y'all got some special up there on the west coast, man Y'all boys better. Hey y'all better keep this thing going for us. We in the south, baby. Hey, we ain't playing Yeah, yeah, we just looking forward to the future So moving forward to the day That um, y'all left no jumper. Oh I want to fast forward to that. Okay. What builds up to y'all leaving? Um Just I'm gonna honestly say Just a lot of misunderstandings I think if any in anything is always communication And it can come from both sides of the fence. So, you know, I'm gonna take my um My partner, you know, I'm saying just communication Yeah, and if if I'm feeling a certain type of way or if he's feeling a certain type of way We just bottling that stuff and then it ends up Turning into other things and and when you want to be able to To like each other when you working with each other like Coming to do these shows shouldn't feel like a chore and it shouldn't feel like, you know I just got to come and do this for the money real quick It should just be energy because at one point in time it was great energy With everybody involved it was it was we was knocking it out the park and you know, I don't know along the lines That energy and that that wanting to be on the platform and willingness It kind of went away. When did that started going down? When? Um, I honestly don't know. I think maybe once we started starting our shows and stuff like that Yeah, once we started our own shows and and I and you know I was transparent from the start like hey, I want to do this and you know, uh Did he motivate y'all to to go ahead and start your 100% well because the people around him Before I came, you know, they basically he was basically pushing him to do things and they weren't really doing it So I was the one that came around. I was like, hey, look, you doing them throwing the ball on my court I'm about to come. Hey, I'm trying to dunk. I'm trying to dunk every time and also, you know, seeing What's going on like let me start my own as well, right, you know And that's my legacy. This is your legacy over here. I'm here to help you I'm here to, you know, perform and do what I got to do Let me start this over here now because you know, I have a difference of opinion It's a different way that I want to run business. Can't tell you how to run your business But you know, I could build my baby over here and I ain't ever thought that like That would be a leading factor or you know, things would happen the office drama Just everything started whirlwind and super fast and it ended up becoming uncontrollable Was it after the after the um Was it after you guys started to your your own platform that he talked about the poor You only got four jokes and all that. No, he ain't I mean, he never told me that Well, I mean, he just how did that come about how? Um It was a private conversation between him and another host what lush lush Um, yeah lush, um Yeah, because before that I had to talk with him and he was just like, oh, you know Me and him I would call him out. We were getting to it. We wouldn't see an eye on a lot of things And he hit me up. He was like, hey I think in order for a friendship to remain Um It's best that I don't have you on a Tuesday show no more and when he told me that I was like I was like, he was like, how you feel about that? I was just like, hey, it is what it is like It's business But how did you really feel about it? Because one thing I know about men or human beings You'll say that but you really feel a certain way on the inside Honestly, like I didn't really feel no way because I was like, okay, I got my Wednesday show I got my food show Oh, isn't it a big show too, right? It's a big show. Just a big show I was never meant to be a permanent on the Tuesday to begin with so I always knew from day one They always told me like, um, you here until we find somebody else to do this stuff too. So, uh Yeah, I didn't really feel no way about it. The only time I felt something about it is when I heard it It was like more layers to the situation. So it was like, oh, it was the same four jokes Is this is this and is that I'm like, damn, I ain't know that And how did you hear about the private conversation that him and lush had? Because lush was Shout out to lush man, but what lush lush is a real honest person. He has to do it for a sobriety but he went on, um discord and I guess was telling the discord people Like the conversation him and adam had and the discord people came back and told me And that's when I felt defended because I was like, okay I'm thinking that we homies we cool and we're gonna continue to do business together and then I'm hearing like You don't even like me on the show. So that's kind of like um That's kind of like what fucked me up. I was like, oh, you got four jokes. You got this you this whatever Whatever was said and I was like damn like to me. That's kind of harsh and if you're gonna say that Shit say that shit to me. Yes, right But prior to that, you know how sometimes we get hints and we had clues about certain things And but we turn a blind eye to it Did you ever get any clues? Certain things that happen and you're like, you know what because a lot of Controversy started happening and you know, he would tell us like I feel like ending all the shows Oh, that was he was saying it because you're frustrated multiple times He was like, I don't know what the future is going to be I don't know like if I want to continue to do this Any of the shows I'm gonna cut them like so when you're hearing like, oh, you're gonna cut the shows We like wait a minute For some of the hosts, you know, that's they lively. That's all they do. That's all they got Yeah, let me ask you this lady like like you guys didn't know how to come in this situation Uh, you wasn't you didn't have never did podcasting like that before I seen Joe budden go through the same thing when he first did his first run where they all split up What when you seen when you come in it is I don't want to get in your business. I seen somewhere. He said something about 10 or 20 thousand dollars a month or whatever, but Was he taking care of y'all because that that's a hard thing in this world Because you don't even know how these streets are going or how these shows are being paid for what's going on with it How would how would you even walk up to that? I think that's something that he might even had issues with Trying to understand that right So was it a thing where he had all that together or was it a thing where y'all was trying to figure that out too And how many people were he paying? Right, and it wasn't he paying No, and I'm gonna say this like the way I look at it We was provided the opportunity That we will forever have skills and notoriety for Um, I didn't go to that platform to get money. Okay. I came to that platform to further Further my music career and it ended up turning into something and then once they gave me a check I was just happy with the check. That's all and it was and and and I'm gonna be honest It was a good check. I wasn't like, um Not paid what I think that I deserved or it is it is what it is. I just wanted to Build new situations because what I got from the platform and what I got from just being on there That's way more than what you know, I can't get yes for knowledge and stuff too So I wouldn't be starting my show, you know, t-rail wouldn't have started his show We wouldn't have what we have right now So, you know, I'm always gonna thank him for that for even putting the ball in our court So like I said, like I tell people all the time, there's no bad blood There's ways you can look at it and honestly once you start talking about pay And you're looking at things like that then you in it for the wrong reasons anyway, correct Because if you love some of you, we almost say I do it for free like we come down with it No I'm definitely gonna do it You're gonna pay me and I know that's coming because God ain't gonna let you plant no seed and then I'll be a harvest But you gotta love what you're doing. That's all I'm saying and I was I was I was paid well That's all okay, but then even when Even the pay thing even got out because normally if you work at any job and when you sign paperwork or whatever It's a you don't discuss your pay. You don't do this. You don't do that. So that's something that shouldn't even gotten out in the first Well, that's uh, that's something that's something when you got a structure I'm telling you I heard him mention 10 or 20,000 On a podcast I wouldn't say that you know what I'm saying I'm looking and he says this and really to be honest with you A lot of the shows that he's done since you guys love have been about you guys That and that's a part of it and a lot of stuff you all done It just coincides because you all were together so many years and I can say I look at him He seemed to be professional. I love the way that the form the format is, you know Even the new segway that he does you see me doing mine now like It's something where it's a network same way I build mine up. But except for uh, you know I come from a kind of a business like background myself So I'm looking at the building blocks But at the end of the day For him to do it and he come from a place where he knew business too. So it wasn't like he didn't know business But how did he conduct his business and how you know talking about somebody don't know it Yeah talking about somebody that happens on the job too On the regular corporate job people talk about people buying a bag. That ain't nothing new But when I do it I still gotta have a sit down. I should be able to call ad and say, you know what man Let's come in off and let's talk about it. Well, that was the thing too because you see what I'm saying Even like I want to say maybe four months before all this happened um I don't know if he was reading the comments or he was reading certain stuff People like what just kept saying 80s gonna leave and this is gonna leave So that was getting thrown in the air and I had you had no intention. I had no intentions of that and He had told me one day. He was like, hey no matter what goes on in the future I just want to say like you're a great guy. You're a great friend You know, I hope you continue to do business with each other and I was like, bro Like I don't even know what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying? I told him straight right there I said, listen as long as I'm not feel disrespected. I'll be right here with you to the wheels fall off Yeah, because at the time You know the other stuff that I was doing was was making me way more money than I was getting paid So but I'm not looking at that like I didn't you were still there Yeah, and I didn't ask for nothing else like more. I didn't you know I'm like, look, I wouldn't be here having this other stuff if it wasn't for you providing that for me So I'm not about to you know gain this and get big and be like, I'll see you later Like I'm not gonna do that I'm a rock with the people and I'm a rock with the person who put me in the game And like I said as long as I'm not disrespected Or I feel like unwanted or anything like that Then I'm gonna be here in the minute that I felt any type of disrespect That's when I said, you know what I'm about to walk Man, like I said, I just I know already it's a blessing because y'all was over there You got you now you got your new platform Listen man, that thing live. I'm seeing the Terrors like this I'm like, okay, that's different because different is always good Better when it's the younger dude who's doing it because you know already everybody's got to rock with it You know what I'm saying the name came from It's a it's a play on a back on fig Which is t real and smack and heather and then you got community Which is me and pun and then you have doing those world Yes, I'll throw a brother doing all man Got them all together That's hard t rep has been on my show when I went to LA But it was something somebody reach out to him. We posed it locked it in but it didn't happen I was dang show trying to get him on the show you and him. I know I don't really I know because I know the energy I I could see it. I'm like, okay Yeah, I could get him on the show when I go out there. I'm gonna get these old niggas, but I'm gonna get this Digger right here. Yeah So with starting your your new show like that, what is it? Can everybody always when you start to show you like, oh, I'm gonna make mine different from everybody else I'm gonna make it stand out. What do you do that's different from everybody else? Um, we didn't even want to change our format. I feel like what what we what we did on our show at the end of the day was It's not necessarily topic-based, but it's just the energy and the camaraderie between us You know, we playing off of each other and just doing that and you know, it's it's it's more than just a show because We're building our own network We're gonna pick our people We're gonna put our ideas out there and we're gonna, you know, take things further like that We know we know we have to do we got the tools we have the knowledge of it and yeah, we we know what to do Wow, I'm gonna be real with you. I I seen the house phone and and uh um You know, I tripped out off his name shout out to house. Yeah, I did too. Listen. No, no, no. He helped me I'm gonna I got a girl on my my my show now name. What's her name? Reality TV reality TV help me nigga. He gave me the game. I'm like, okay. Okay. I see the move So house phone I remember that episode when he got up and through You know, you be thinking a lot of stuff is this stage, but I knew that wasn't stage I knew that was something different when I seen that when you watch this stuff and you create this stuff You know when something like that's that's the real deal right there What uh, and and you you was there and I know he ain't here to speak for itself and shout out to house phone Look man, I'm cool with you. I want to get you on the show Even though you didn't know what was I remember that day. You was one of the main ones that said It's a black pocket. Yeah, you know What the hell takes the hood some guys. Oh Till y'all started it But at any rate house phone that day I knew it was an episode that he didn't agree with the guest that was on there or whatever And how did how did how did house phone end up coming? Was it through you that he even came on the show? No, house phone was there before I was there. Okay. So just break it down to me. They had a dad a date. He probably was there what Two three years before really came. Yeah I thought you I'm like, I need them to call them niggas over there But uh house house phone was there from the start. Wow And he and he got mad. He got upset. I couldn't believe that was that's big if he started with him I didn't realize that man started one. Wow That's crazy the show that we was on actually was the house phone and cam girl show before it became the no chopper show Wow That's crazy because that meant more That meant way more actually because of way more than what we're gonna correct because That's like kind of like me and money moses my he's When I started I brought him with me. We we put the TVs up together We went bought the mics together like I took him with me, you know, and uh, that's why it's detrimental But we did a lot of stuff before the podcast, but I mean that's crazy What did you think when you seen them get into it like that? Um, they was always getting into it. It was the same time It was it was really the same type of situation Where like I don't think of them to like each other too much and then started showing on camera And it was frustrated and it was irritated with each other and then you know It it it reaches boiling point long time ago. Wow. Yeah, that's crazy, man Y'all don't ever cut nothing out of any of y'all stuff. No You show everything see I cut his live you can't cut it Sure do y'all you switches and all that so I don't do that That's a no-no right there because I Certain things that come out like I said again when I see things this culture means a lot to me Certain things I don't think should be put out when I see certain people shows and they put certain things out It could get somebody even killed Bro, that stuff should never come out if you brothers that look like each other I don't care who get mad about that. That's the way I feel All that trying to get cloud or trying to act like you bad like I said What's gangsters taking care of your family? So I don't even care nothing about that I think we should be looking at our we already messed up enough guys We in the news more we beat everybody that being in the news We beat everybody at killing we already beat everybody at that So for us to be sitting behind cameras to be proud that's not that's what I'm telling you So nothing to be proud of us to be sitting behind cameras and doing this now and know we can control the narrative No, we're not doing that. So that's why a lot of time I think even blad and and no jumper get flack because People looking at it and like are they exploring our people because at the end of day Could we have stopped this from happening if we try we not know better either because Our own people do the same shit exactly everybody right now like The integrity of things everybody wants to clicks it's out to do everybody wants that traffic everybody wants the money And you know to me is is any color if if you know that you're doing wrong When you being a detriment to any culture or any type of people you explore anything Then you just as guilty you can't look at the white man and say oh You're wrong because you're white if you're doing the same exact thing you're doing the same We got to practice what we're preaching correct. So we sit there and clean our own backyard up Then we can sit there and get on the other people and say hey, we ain't doing this y'all shouldn't do this But we can't sit there. Come on. We call them the kettle black. We can't definitely A lot of people it's all about the money because that's all that clicks and views Equate to the money they do they want the cloud the cloud They want that traffic. They want people to know them. They want to The the the crave for acceptance is at all time But that cloud only lasts for a minute because then yes that moment this happens But something else happened and knock you off that throne. You have to keep trying to come back with something It's like a high everybody wants it. They want Oh Yeah, you want to keep going back. No, no you exactly right and i'm gonna tell you something man You guys like I said, I I get it y'all, but I still say Accountability is real. Accountability is every you cannot put out every single thing The thing that happened with you and tira and he said cut the camera somebody said cut the camera cut that I don't need to be out there. You better cut the damn cameras off because you you got people you got kids watching you, bro You got little kids who look up to you. You I know you don't had I cut it I don't had it happen to me where people look at you as somebody, bro Where a man will stop his whole family and say I watch your show every day, man Can you take a picture with me? He got his whole family with him and he telling his wife. Hey I this this the one that I watch every day. I know I see him every day on the tv Okay, my daughter sitting there remember I tell you he stopped his whole family Why they out going to just take a picture with you because they want to know hey, man He like he is on the show So if you like you on the show it should be something that permeates and help our people For me that i'm just telling you that's how i'm looking at it So if you're putting stuff out there to try to put our people in a grade Come on, man. What you doing? You gonna get that energy in that blood That same energy that blood gonna be on your hand Yeah, that blood gonna be on your hand Indirectly, but that blood is gonna be on your hand Man, so tell me man like like like the music let's talk about the music a little bit like like where where's the music at? Right, like what's the hot thing in la outside of yourself that's popping right now? Who's the next artist to pop? I'm gonna I'm gonna always always do this I'll get props to my boys old summer man. Okay. He's running it up. He's doing this thing right now Okay, like and embodying To me what a west coast artist should be What sticks out the most about him about you know for you. Um, it's just nostalgic Okay, like we're on listen to him. I feel like it's like damn They're feeling of just having that west coast or we really haven't had that in a long time So there's a younger god that's coming up right now. I like that And for somebody like me who know nothing about any of this sort of stuff Um, what is that west coast or that you're talking about describe that to me? Just just a lot of pride and representation from where we come from You know, like a lot of times like the brooklyn drill scene has been like taken at or chicago And they be having their identities and I feel like for the longest other than the og's the west coast hasn't had like a new wave or a new face that's Uh global or worldwide And at one point in time, we were like the biggest in music We were the biggest when it came down to the entertainment and you know now I feel like guys like zoosama and blue blucks can and Ralphie the plug. Um, there's a it's a gang artist ruji. There's a gang artist That was just holding it down and keeping that flag lit for us. Wow I just I I really agree with you the the the music is so detrimental But but now being independent and doing this thing what we're doing. Do you feel like? I mean, uh, what is a million streams? It's four thousand dollars. It's come on man. So what what are we doing? You know, like what the hell are we doing? How are we going to make a ROI out of this? What the hell are we doing here? We're trying to figure this out. Uh, yeah, the podcast is making money Joe button figured it out. You know I'm talking about like like now how how these rappers everybody want to be rappers Really, they got to shift and say we want to be podcasters now. Well, the thing is Anything that gets you to the next level Because I feel like all the great rappers Like let's be real. You're not about to have a Everybody not about to have a 10 20 30 year career, correct You supposed to get in the game And then you go somewhere else and you figure that out. Wow, you just use that as a invest Use that as a vehicle to get you to the next level And you know things are going to come along the way that you may not even knew that she was Liking some people now they they come out with a head and they be like damn I like songwriting more than I like doing this other stuff. They become Super big songwriters You know, you got people like david banner who write jingles and stuff like there's all type of opportunities And then you got some people who get in this use their connections. They get movies and now they movie stars So you just use this as a vehicle to get to the next level man. I saw you gotta talk about nipsey I met nipsey at the uh At the palms hotel We was at the county and I said you ain't working You're not working like you used to and he told me he was like man, you're gonna see, you know, me and him by Self, you know, like that's how I roll like, yeah, okay. We go see, you know, I'm talking that talk I'm gonna say I love your music. They go boy. Yeah And uh, he came on with it, you know, shout out to mr. Lee mr. Lee one of the one from texas that Basically did that blue lay y'all know by mr. Lee. Mr. Lee did blue laces He didn't want to do the beat. They think of the beat behind blue laces All of them that that's mr. Lee. Okay, you know that for for nipsey. So at the end of the day Nipsey killed the game showed us entrepreneurship Had his strength, you know, had his had his his his marijuana and all that stuff going like what was it like For you with nipsey past and the way it happened Got it. I got to bring that up because I love I love nipsey, bro That's what I was a whole game. Like I love what he what he represented as far as being able to change come back to his neighborhood After I met him at that poems I went we went to his store. I see black sam. What before all that I didn't go after he had passed I was there before the way before way before we didn't Try well with them with the family my family if you ever come when you come to dallas You'll see we got a store where our kids grew up and I still working. That's what connected us over 18 years now Yeah, I still ran around the whole night. So at the end of the day when I seen him My brother was like you got to go see nipsey I don't see that nigga fight where you got this kid with him They doing apps and they doing stuff they stole and you can pull up to the stove and this and I said I'll go by the chick that nigga I remember I went bought a hat and some stuff for my brother then we went back We started going back because I enjoyed it and that's the way you're supposed to be as entrepreneurial You try to oh, okay. I'm gonna go yeah We're gonna meet with that people that look like us when tiger had his place I was going over there too. I just always was supported and respected our people So for you let's talk about it like like how was it that day and what was the energy man? I was in lake havesu. Okay. I was about to have a good time and you know just just nipsey for us on the west coast man He was just Super motivation. He was really really like Put entrepreneurship on a pedestal in our community Which people that look like us didn't think it was possible You know we all we knew was okay. You want to be a rapper? You're gonna get a record deal and that's how you got to get on the radio and you do this and did that and he really You know Put action into what he was talking about. He was buying up his blocks He was you know put in stores and putting put in like you said putting programs in the community for the people for Where he grew up at that's dope and that made people sit there and say hey, you know what? I want to sit there and do that for the you know the kids in Compton I want to sit there and do that for the kids in Long Beach and we want to sit there and do that And he motivated everybody to you know get on a real hustle run a marathon and do what they had to do And I remember I was in lake havesu and once it happened man, just the energy of everybody That's it just it just dropped and we because we couldn't believe it now. We're used to like, you know, um you know shootings and gang stuff happening, but It it was more messed up because He didn't have to he didn't have to you know put a store in his neighborhood. That's right. He didn't have to Build programs from where he grew up at most people they get money and they get far away From everybody and he went and he chose to put that stuff right there And stayed with his community and try to keep it together and unfortunately, you know that same Situation just just happened and took his life away like I know I wish I wish that he would have still been here because I Knew about a lot of the changes that he was trying to implement that didn't get done because of his passing So, you know, I wish he was still here But then when I looked at what had happened and where it happened that that's the part I really got to me I'm like How can like you think that you'd feel safer? With your people, you know what I mean? That's right there in by in front of his store like And it happened there. What message did that send? Wow I mean where we come from we used to see and stuff like that really like homeys on homey crazy situations We use we used to do that's normal like really. Yeah, we come from is crazy. It's normal So, you know, it's turn on your own like that. Yeah Yeah, I mean because a lot of times too and I'm not gonna say in in that case In that situation, but there's a lot of guys, man They don't want to go beef with enemies. They rather like, you know what? I'm scared of them guys I'm about to go do something to my home boy. Yeah, I know you. I don't I'm not afraid of you. Yeah Wow, I'm you know, I'm gonna be honest I want to ask that same question to you because you you there too as well For as like about nipsey like where were you at that day and and how did it affect you? Or how did you feel about nipsey back to me like it's like nipsey Like my hood and nipsey hood is right around the corner from each other Okay So I just literally having to pull up to mom's house one day and you feel me I'm sitting in the car and I'll got on instagram at this time I like I got a gang of followers, but I wasn't popping on instagram like that when I press live I had like 500 people in here Like all I see is rp nipsey rp nipsey So I'm like What they talking about so I got off of that now. I hear the police is real boom. Boom. They flying They flying leaving up out of my section to go to slossing We got scanners on the phone. I'll tell the homie. I hit the scanner. Let me see what's going on And next, you know, you hit it. They like slossing whoo and crunch off somebody's shot And then that's when we started doing research and found out but That that touched me and hit me because he a good dude You feel me even though he's from the opposite side where I'm from and we don't our hoods don't get along I really know him like in real life. I met him a few times and everything like he's a good genuine dude So that touched me like man, that's crazy. Yeah, it's scary boys. Yeah, I don't like y'all This side don't like this side. They'll be right there on it. Yeah He's literally right a few blocks from my like I was I interviewed odm slim He was he was like, yeah, he was trying to explain it till I was confused. He'll like really I was over there I didn't know he like it's this block that block and I'm like, god y'all right by each other Really what you grow up at like You you're there already and then you taking on problems That happened before before you was even born like that you don't even know about Wow So you have to be in like if you're born on this street on this street is this certain Gang or whatever when you're born. Do you have to be a part of that? No, you don't have to be a part of it But the thing is is like, you know, your childhood friends who you go outside with and play basketball with and do things You know, they they may join and you like well, these are my friends I'm gonna ride my friends We gotta ride because you look at it like family. Yeah, it's like man. I grew up with you my whole life So yeah, I don't want to see nobody harm you. Yeah, you heard my friend I'm gonna hurt you and that keeps going like that too So, you know, but then when that happens and police is look at it I would say, you know, show me who you're around. I can tell you who you are So when police see you they're thinking that oh you a part of that gang Even although you're not so called a part of that. That's your homie How does that work? And when you're growing up to just being a young black man Living in, you know impoverished neighborhoods, they're they're going to judge you like you are anyway. Wow So it really it tells it tells a young guy like, hey, I'm out as well If they're gonna treat me like this anyway, like, you know, even just like walking to the store You can't be like, oh, I don't gang bang and people leave you alone. They probably fuck with you even more Dang But see when I see y'all show like five five crib crib man come over there Is is that your homeboy or do you even you don't rock with it? Y'all got no problem with Opposite Like I mean and y'all not y'all not y'all would don't y'all don't y'all don't mix with me How do you come to how does he be at no jumper like that and y'all all don't even rock that happened Before smack even came and that happened. Oh, okay. Yeah t-rail was there and you know, it was a lot of It was it's it's it's you see where I'm coming from Doing these shows, but you know, like when you're looking at it as business The streets don't determine the business and that's how we looked at it So different people you could be opposing of me or where I come from You know, I've told adam back in the past. I'm like, look go interview You can go interview this guy ain't got no problem with it Or if it's somebody that's you know Unless I got like a real personal issue with the person and you consider You know me a colleague and a friend then it's a different story But if he's from the other side and you know, you want to interview them interview This is business. We shouldn't be sitting here putting gang politics in I agree with what you say, but I understand that but then I've heard people say But although I acted a certain way around this person But I know that my community don't deal with that person At the end of the day when this person left I end up getting DP because I didn't handle him When I was around him. How does that work? Well, that's whatever you put yourself into You know, just because somebody could come on the platform. It's not our platform You know, and if you're going to sit now, it's different if you sit in the interview And then you don't conduct yourself the right way to the end. They don't they don't come get you Yeah, they don't come get you afterwards. But you know, that's that's really what it is. Wow I mean, like I said, I just know that, you know, uh, I just seen uh, like I said, Cryptmack will come there a lot like I don't know. Would you still interview a Cryptmack? Cryptmack man, Cryptmack is a good guy. Like we're not tripping off of a anybody But that politics ain't got nothing to do with me rock come from off from Compton Dave from South Central. Okay. Yeah, that's a different world. That's a whole different world And and and I said it because I talked to him like a couple of days ago two days or it was yesterday They called me they everybody called you when you got these podcasts, too We all I just try to figure out ways to help people whoever and if you go if something happened to you You know, like what are they trying to call me and stuff because I'm gonna reach out Because that's what real ones do like if something happened bad to anybody, she know how I'm gonna do it like you anybody Something don't have to happen. You still call and check out I call them anyway, but I'm just saying something happened nigga. I'm I'm really gonna call you cause I'm trying to make sure these folks are not getting taken advantage of Somebody can I help what can I do because that's when you want need you when somebody down and out or somebody hurt You gotta you gotta try to lock in with a man So I think that's the part where I think that that's something that we as black people we do that too We care so much about people don't talk about that enough. You know what I'm saying like we care We got we'll we'll do something to you know, but we care but we care like we care too damn much We'll try to help people when we don't damn well That person I feel like do nothing to help us. We'll try our best to help a man So, I mean if you could go all go back and do it all over again What would you do different on going on and we about to wrap this up going on like uh, no jumper What would you do different? Would you do everything the same? Um, I would I would say that I would look at things more as a business relationship more than less than a friendship Okay, so yeah, you know, I think that that's probably like my biggest mistake It's thinking everybody was my friends and we was cool You know like that so wow and and that's personal more business very present That's hard to keep that way though, especially when you've been around somebody for a while I love people. No, you know, I fuck with you. I fuck with you so hard I'm gonna go to the ends of the world for you. Yeah Yeah, I I'm the same way. Yeah when you're real you're real. Yeah. Yeah, and you definitely go the whole extra mile You ain't for the slow down and doing nothing man. What top three artists of all time dead or alive top three artists of all time I'm gonna Michael Jackson Stop because Michael Jackson's number one. Yeah, but they you know, I ain't gonna see it today. Always be quiet And Chris Brown, you know, a lot of people a lot of people say a lot of different things out there about who Mike was He's not bad. I was all this stuff. You hear a lot of rumors now because these new kids on the block But you say Mike is your number one. Mike is number one number two will probably be I gotta gotta make this right You could you could put two park in there two park could probably be number two. That's the usual number three Matter of fact, no, I'm gonna Two gonna be lauren hill. Hey three gonna be two pot. That's all that's a hard top three Okay, I like you a little bit more. Can you put lauren hill number two? All right, let's go with this man Two park easy biggie easy easy. I like that. What's up with easy easy? Shout out to easy. Well, why easy? Because he's raw hard man. Like I grew up listening to him like he cold and I went to school with his sons and daughters Wow, that's hard. What's the what's the tde top dog in attack? What's up with that? I mean you over there with the boy? Yeah, I've been with like done eight years. Man. I love what they do too, man. That's hard, bro. Yeah. Hey, that says something right there You rock with him too. I'm pretty sure They're my they're my people over there. I can't drink them over there, right? Can't drink my guy, man He's been bro. That's that's the home. He's been home day one How did you and I ain't going to ask you about Kenny, but I'm asking about Joe, but how how much of it As far as when you started this did you reach out to him or anybody to say What can I do to make my platform bigger than they are bigger than like that because you don't do nothing to lose I'll talk to Joe budden, but not about stuff like that. Okay. Yeah. It was some other shit though. No, but honestly like I feel like what we do Like Is is what we do is it's so different to his friends. This is different. I love they so too Yeah, and once you get and once you get like Outside input too much. It kind of fucks it up. It does. Yeah, you can't do balls talk 101 I'm being real and I can't I can't do your shows and neither one of them because you got a few, don't you? Yeah, and it's and it's and it's all the moving parts like you know and Like when t real like he's like to me. He's the anchor. You know, I'm saying he's making sure this shit's gonna flow Right. It's gonna go good. I'm gonna do my thing smack. I'm gonna do this thing Do not gonna do this thing. We just make that shit shake like how many of your audiences. I'm females Like I hate it. I hate it though. It's always like that or analytics and I'm like It's growing though. Honestly, it's growing. But it's mostly man. I'm like 90% they watching hell. I boss talk. I love Yeah And that's that's another reason why I when we started back off there. I wanted Heather to be in here Yeah, bring the female you want a female? Yeah. Yeah. I wanted her perspective. You feel me? Wow But I have I have what's the craziest show that you've ever seen happen on no jumper I mean crazy episode episode every day was crazy because you know the craziest there has to be one that stands out That was crazy. It was wild over there. It was wild every week. It was Shit The craziest probably when almighty punched on kelp Oh, that was quick too. That was different. Yeah, that was way different. Yeah, I seen that Unexpected like you didn't see coming that was that wasn't scripted That was unexpected. I mean nothing. Honestly, nothing over there was unexpected because you stopped a lot of fights yourself And you was in a couple of scuffle. Yeah, but that's one thing that I can say is that We had too much free reign Say man, I appreciate y'all man Any time man when I pull up in LA this next time it's gonna be different. I come every six months I'm always there. I'm pop up. I'm we probably come back before then because people be calling us to do interview I'd be like, I gotta get out the LA. They got the heat out there. Right interview pop up. We gonna be there We were pulled up because like we pulled up today, man So what was it like being on boss talk one on one? I got a shot. It was dope. It was dope because I'm doing Was it different? Super different. You been watching it. Yeah, I've been watching you wanted the realest niggas in the world You want to say you're walking most niggas don't even want to give people they respect and honor man I found out do you feel me every platform he was going on I looked and I was But mine was the hardest though when you seen the moment No, you said that nigga hard right you can you conduct yourself the right way? Yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying. I got my wife beside me. I feel like To me that make it even better So so did you think when you came on the show? Is this what you expected? Yeah, I knew what we knew it was getting into Yeah, yeah, I know like you're not really a messy person. You like giving games Yeah, I'm talking to me and then just talking to you just on the phone. I'm like, man. He's a good dude, man Hey, well, I tell you we're on the couch. He's a good dude. Well, that's the only couch. I'm like, bro I know through him through I'm subscribed to you and So you didn't know that before y'all was coming on you Told me that we was coming to the parking lot come like bro, like I knew him through A lot of people watch that dude on our car we got him early and I knew when I got him I even talked to my brother before I was like, I talked about if he don't never be on those shows But I talked to him a lot. I was like, man, should I interview this dude, man? He's like, man, go ahead and then I call my uncle. I'm like, man I'm gonna do it. So I called I called him up called a couple of times And yeah, the number was up there too. Like I ain't doing it for this. I'm doing it. I'm like, nigga What man? I ain't paying that then we we talked and talked until he finally came by and when he did Just like y'all like you meet somebody. It's like, man, like man, I rock with him He come back like three four days in a row that nigga just kept coming back like this thing I gotta I gotta go back to work because how far is he from y'all from here? Probably about an hour And he was coming every time like when we open up he'll come me and then I start helping the kids You good y'all see those episodes? Yeah I was giving the kids I was giving the kids the clothes out of the store when they would get out of juvenile And he was bringing them because he would go talk to him and I thought that was dope. So we really Even though we had our little whatever Because I never said nothing bad about Charleston the whole time because that's not my character But at the end of the day what we did for those kids and what we did for the things that really meant something Man, you can't beat that with a bat and I tell people that I used to tell melvin form of that Like man, we did do some stuff together I can't just sit here and laugh The kids will never forget right and some of those kids got shot afterwards and all kind of stuff So we definitely uh, we did what we did and I think that was the reason we came together So that's that's that's the 100 part man. So I what you you was cool with boss talk before so we good Like when I come I'm checking in because I'm checking in with you. Am I gonna be okay checking in to me Means like just come to LA and link with somebody that's going to show you right until you where you could go Where not to go where is dangerous at worst? Not to exploit me We don't do that my tap if I tell any of my good people ain't come to LA tap in I'm gonna let you know boss talk. What you trying to do that? I want to go eat over here You might don't want to go there. You might want to go over there Where should we go? But we're not going to tell you not to go here because something might happen to you You're going to tell you not to go over here because the food ain't good I want to check in make sure the food is right And then when I come back, I gotta take them out to eat y'all got we got to go out to eat You said octails already. I'm gonna hold you But if you mind you ain't gonna want to eat it nowhere else come on Bro, you lost weight didn't you a little bit? I know you lost weight. No the tv just make you look No, I think we'll be back. I think that will be how much did you lose? I don't know Listen, I don't even gauge it. I'll be doing my boxing during the week and stuff like that. I'm on my uh Dr. Sabia full little regiment. You know what I mean? Oh, you doing it? I got like nine. Is it hard? Oh, it's easy. I got like every little good and make you feel better Because a friend of mine did that but what she did you have to cut you eat like all vegetables That's what she did. No, I ain't doing that. I got she did that one I got the I got the nine different pills that I take every day. So that's all you got to do is take that I take I take the c-moss plus I take the um The the blood cleaner I take the uh, what is the blood cleaner call? Um It's like, uh, what's that one I have At the house the one. Yeah, I don't remember the name of that It's called blood purifier. It's called blood purifier. It's good purifier. You got the detox You got your male balance. You got your electric greens. Um, Are you feel better just like oh, yeah, have you changed you the way how you eat for the most part? I don't eat a lot of fast food. Anyway, um, I'm ill prep during the week for the most part Sometimes you just gotta be here I came out here. I gotta give you a turkey Turkey's not bad though. It's just with all the other Had We actually had I had it plenty of times before but we actually had the the truck come to our cannabis event yesterday, so How big was 420 being down here? No, that's hard like like what man? And that's why y'all came because y'all because y'all Yeah, yeah, wow. It was a lot of um, you know the analytics is not even legal though Yeah, it's a gray area. Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. How does that work? Well, people just want to be the first to come out of here Yeah, and you know get the ball rolling too. So because it's happening regardless So where can I find your strand? Everywhere is everywhere. You can go online to order. No, you can't If you come to la you go to uh, vegas you go to all the places that is 100 You go to Oklahoma. Yeah, you should have it everywhere big cheap products. Wow. That's crazy. You're not gonna find the um You know, if you're not gonna find that you'll find the carts at least So cookie that's y'all's competitor cookies the homies, too. Yeah, I know Backpack boys Oh, they I don't they've been in the game They've been getting a lot. That was like one of the first ones on the on the on the mouth And they wanted the biggest more. They are the biggest. That's right. They do edibles. They do everything Big chief Everything she asked me cause she interested. I'm what edibles delta eight Uh, what is delta eight delta eight is a cross between um, Canada it's a little bit of cannabis and it's a it's a It's not to really get you as high Yeah, it's like more like for medical and stuff too. Okay, so kind of like with the cbd So it's it's a little it's like the cbd with a little bit of marijuana infused at it. I gotta get you guys out of here You know, man, I ain't gonna lie. Man, me you guys was dope, man I came down here. I hurry up and got in the car. I told you Then said I'm coming Houston. I'm coming to Houston I'm for to make something happen and then shout out to my boy, man g luck and be done for g g and b Productions for letting us come in interview guy Man, it's the dopest studio and they and it's so much history in here, man When I interviewed them and I'm about to talk to him in a minute. I'm trying to get on this platform But uh, he told me about boosie coming and when he had council and doing is doing a lot of his music And I thought that was just lying. Yeah, right here. This is where he was at My favorite. Yeah, this is where he was at, you know, so man just to the southern the southern hospitality different any job They're gonna take you to the house with him. Yeah Y'all can fly from uh, Dallas. We're gonna send y'all back from Dallas. You know Hey, man, thank you guys for coming on the show, man. Appreciate. We love you guys, bro It's been another great segment a boss talk 101 Bosses talk. Let's do it. We out