 Welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa. It's time for us to check out the front pages of a national dailies As usual, we do have a guest who will help us understand all of the stories on the front pages of our national dailies We have Chris Wando. Good morning, Mr. Chris Wando. Thank you for joining us All right, so I like to set up with the leadership newspaper this morning and let's find out what big stories We have on the leadership newspaper Looking at the front page of the leadership newspaper Zero allocation for fuel subsidy raises fear of price increase Zero allocation for fuel subsidy raises fear of price increase Talking about the 2022 board that you find details on page four in our will increase Niger's GDP by 29 billion dollars President Mohamed Abouhari is quoted on that you find all of the information on page Eight of the leadership newspaper CBN releases guidelines as regards the e-nihra. So all you need to know about the e-nihra and Just before we move away from the leadership newspaper. You have Nigeria US AU others condemn cool in Sudan Anambra elections would Anambra election will hold without rank or find out all of the information on page six. I mean, that's some assurance Right there bandits kill 18 abduct 13 in Niger states Northwest demands lion's share of federal allocation quite interesting Headline there. You also find Gumi cushions against prescription of bandits. That's the much we can take on the leadership newspaper this morning All right now to the punch newspapers Buhari unveils e-nihra Mda's may collect revenues and pay in e-currency Central Bank of Nigeria alerts banks to risk and fund And threats Apex bank means 500 million naira e-nihra Issues 200 million to banks It says also in our wounds change naira dollar exchange rates. And that's from experts And we can also find here fashella NLC for federal government assets sale and privatization And we can also find here fashella NLC for federal government assets sale and privatization minister demands audit Hoodlum storm ogung school two teachers hospitalized others fleeing PDP crisis depends seconders pursues suit as party plans convention Also on the punch bill a confident of clinching apc 2023 presidential ticket says ssg missing reporter by the bear miller can versus divine intervention Journalists protests And e-fcc approaches appeal court on carluse 7.1 billion naira fraud retrial A few others on the punch this morning federal government to end petrol subsidy june 2022 world bank condemns 2.9 trillion naira funding 148 million dollars Consultants pay Buhari governors meet october revenue sharing suspended Finally federal government plans 5 million solar power households and 250,000 jobs All right, let's move away from the punch new super and check out the daily independent The daily independent newspaper board caption reads in naira will grow gdp by 29 billion dollars in 10 years That's what the president is quoted to say cbn to empower 100 private companies every 100 days Issues 200 million naira to banks means 500 million naira 33 lenders join platform and that's on page 6 Bandits attack niger mocks keel 18 worshippers abduct 18 very sad 2023 elections boharie wants foreign envoys against meddling in local politics And that's also on page 4 Nigeria will be left behind Unless Urgent steps are taken So you find a group warning against that that's on page 7 Arrest gumi for saying declaring bandits terrorists will endanger Nigeria Rights group are quoted on that so you have a group saying Arrest gumi for declaring and saying that declaring bandits terrorists would end nigeria Igbo liars want to join suit sickened southeast exit from Nigeria. It's also on page 29 And you also find a number a number of gubia elections federal government orders security agencies to deal with trouble makers That's a very strong one Well, that's so much we can take on the daily independence this morning I'm sure you pick up a copy to get a lot of information Not to the daily trust boharie launches e naira says GDP to rise by 11.9 trillion naira Policy will aid government's welfare policy It says 33 banks running e currency a cbn mint 500 million naira Also gone men attack niger mosque keel 18 worshippers NLC rejects compulsory covid-19 vaccination Still on the daily trust senators kicker's efcc transfers for forfeited assets to agf's office Cano demands 1% special status in revenue allocation formula And um my mother-in-law asks me to poison my stepchildren woman tells court Still on the daily trust this morning Northern coalition asked court To exit southeast from nigeria And I think those are the stories that we can Take this morning on the daily trust newspapers I'll bring in chris one do good morning once again. Thanks for joining us I think we can start the conversation from the e naira and the concerns that people have some are celebrating it And on the punch it says the e naira wouldn't change naira dollar exchange rates. And that's what max buds What are your thoughts? We Join the conversation your heart initially On my darling team the mind you Let me quickly just tell you to that you are smiling It's just quite unfortunate that we have an only who has come to teeth hours bright in mind you So it's quite unfortunate what we are going through now, but I think we will someone to that Problem just like so many other things but for all that I might have been a spot of money for close to 30 years And we've never had this bad So We hope and pray that something will be done quickly So that we we can move on our we have thought that this year is going to be our year Don't forget we came second last year In the Premiership. We thought that we better that this way but we need the Premiership, but What we are seeing now from only Doesn't seem strong and just as ms. Riley said Chelsea had the same problem last season and they quickly Suck lampard and and the man that was brought them turns around within months. They want the champions league and they are Contenders for the Premiership this year So I hope that we'll be able to do that as quickly as possible only has not given us anything since he He came to ultra ford and we cannot continue to wait. So I just let me quickly start on that nice note Um back to the question you asked on he corrects. I I don't have any problem with that I hope that all the rest matters and all the Hope that has been built up with materialized since early between the two of us I don't know what that he currency is all about. I've never used one before I've never seen anybody using it and that's what I read a lot about it um That is just opportunity that is the same cpa that some moons back and First the account of most companies that went through a currency if remember quite Right, they just offer the accounts now. So if they knew that that was a way to go Why didn't they take that decision? So for me that Nigeria our problem has not been that of having policies Has always been the problem of Nigeria We have all these robust ideas of how to go about this politically, socially, economically, economically, all the rest But when you come to implementation zero Look at what is happening. We have one of the best constitutions in the world Is there's no constitution that is Uh, uh, totally Okay, it is always prone to amendment here and there but the one we have are we implementing it rightly? So the same thing. So I don't want to join the enthusiasm. Uh, we're going to generate 29 billion We're going to generate 1 trillion. We are going to do that is continuously people. So and tomorrow It's something happens. So that I don't we said that the bookie was the problem Of the foreign exchange, but a bookie Practically doesn't publish those things again. I have had that Imparted on the espionage as against the dollar since that and the show I hope that the whole view is we were able to Meet the demands of Nigeria on this issue of currency But I still believe that what is more important is that a lot of information has to pass Nigerians practically most Nigerians don't know what this is all about Even the friend of mine when it was posted on our platform yesterday Called me from the united states. CK. What is this a currency apart? So if somebody who's living in the u.s. Doesn't even know what the currency is all about So a lot of people mention why cdm is doing CBS who also puts so much money into educating Nigeria's by by its loss on television stations like lost tv Africa This may pass online and rest of them to educate Nigeria's on just as we did with go beat all those information If you don't put that information there people they got to know the information to deal with them He has to go that's just it's like break it away a beautiful lady in the dark He's only that know what you're doing and she doesn't know what you are the message you're passing across to her Okay, so let's look at the leadership newspaper It might just look like we would just have to end the subsidy regime in 2022 reads Irrelocation for failed subsidy raises fear of price increase What are your thoughts on this? For me, we have said that we are going to cut the regulation of the downstream sector of the Of the petroleum industry if we're going to do that, let us do it Whatever is going to take let us do it. So if they if you are going to remove subsidy From petroleum all well and good But the fact is that we have to realize that To me the only if at all is only product in Nigeria that's been subscribed by the government It's only put is it only petroleum All that if you go to other parts of the country that all levels of um, subsidy agriculture You talk about human capacity You talk a look at the area of education in the United States in the United Kingdom kids go to school free Children go to school in primary school. They go to school free What are Nigerians benefiting from their government? Absolutely nothing So if you say you're moving Subsidies on petroleum Where else are you going to put that in order to be able to heat and be able to that so that it can affect the lives of elaborate Nigeria The price of cooking gas have gone up the roof is about 8,000 9,000 in some places now This is what was what cost about 3,000 3,005 as of when 2015 when this company gave me a lot of Nigerians cannot even use cooking gas again But mr. Wanda that do you think a problem to us? Yeah, do you think these prizes will ever Come back to where they were Um, because I've seen you know people complain bitterly about every single, you know item in the market these days They can barely afford them. So do you think that we might ever get back to You know those 2015 prizes again for food stuff Nothing goes up in Nigeria that come to Nigeria is only country That's um, how do I put it now that um, everything about science Doesn't work We always we told even in our local policy anything way to weigh up It must come down even plain if you fly go up He must land but there's nothing in Nigeria that goes up and come down especially when it comes to prices of things So I don't see where this thing and we have been a lot of challenges when it comes to The products especially food items don't also forget that petroleum is tied to all this If the product you get a product from the farm, it has to be transported through the roads So immediately you increase the prices of where it is also going to increase The transportation of those food items and it also increase the prices So So what I'm saying is that we have serious problem here. We say we are down We are deregulating the downstream part of our oil sector Then also don't forget that with the Petroleum Act that has just been signed by the president most of this nmpc subsidiaries have been onboarded DPR have been scrapped the bp area has been scrapped and so many other subsidiaries and I think two just two agencies have been Have come up to To take care of the responsibility breads in a sense is that we should be very very careful If this is the only place we are Nigerians I'll get some kind of so-called all well and good if you let me tell you my brother if you agree if that's Well, if the petroleum prices increases even the landlord in the house you have you have said we increase his house rent That is not it worked Even the houses that we have been doing in since 1950 the landlord will tell you that prices of This big materials have increased and rest of it. So he had a ripple effect across board So that is the situation we find ourselves and I've always said if time and time again Like a broken record the only way we can be able to solve this problem is by making sure that we revive our own refineries Onto we come to refine our own petroleum in Nigeria who come to find ourselves in this in this terrible state We vote thousands and millions and millions and millions and even trillions of naira for Tonara maintenance of all the refineries in Nigeria No single one is producing one single liter of petroleum as of today None So so whether you like it or not. This is the word. This is the only country in the world That produces good oil Exportings are now imported by product like petroleum. No one in the world is that being done Next then the government seems to be waiting on dango to refineries to come on stream They want to buy into dango to refineries that that to me is also a challenge Because that will also end up being a monopoly When you put the light of Nigeria in this in a single person in the hands of a single personal entity Then it also means that he will determine the prices at which those products that are going to be no competition Remember what happened in the days of night 10 where we were stuck with night 10 Where you have to pay thousands of naira to make a call But it was until the gsm company scheme that we started having that leverage even when the gsm company Two of those companies echo net and 10 to those that you cannot have per second Call that I'm sure you still remember. Yes It was not until another indigenous company Nigeria indigenous that don't mention their name Now came in and say we can do this per second. And that is how prices crash We bought sim card for about 14,000 naira there sim card goes to about 100 naira now So that is what happens when you have the monopoly. So those that are saying that oh Damn good We are going to have more petroleum by time I got this also look at the point that it is going to be a monopoly And we may end up also be shortchanged because our destiny would be in the hands of most one entity and that is the second So the problem the social to this problem is making sure that all our refineries in Nigeria works again. Then Okay There's already been um, I think a contract with the protocol refiner. I believe So let's see how that turns out. Uh, there's also something on the punch that I think uh might be very interesting It's on or juice or kalu. It says um E FCC approaches a print appeal court On kalu's 7.1 billion naira fraud retrial Um, share your views on that also. I'm so wonder Yes, um The years is the uh have the right To approve the court of appeal It's it wasn't that kalu was the What we had why he was losing from prison was not because that he was found no guilty Let us get that clear The court did not see that kalu did not see those money that contributed to that and allegedly attributed to him It was the technicality of the case That's the court for them and said no So that was why he was released the same thing happened with the issues They almost similar with the case of uh, holy samethu. If you remember vividly um, the the judge in that case will say that uh, Was it to have um dance into The arena as we say in law When a judge becomes almost like a party in the case Then his education on dot and that case becomes a bit 40. So Uh, that means you have become your personal interests have come into play that is with me But with that that of kalu is that technically the problem was that um The judge who gave that judgment has been elevated to the court of appeal as once we are elevated You cannot come down to give a judgment on the case in the law course. I think that is uh Very very I think that was what happened. So it was based on technicality So the because didn't say that kalu had been said he said in case should be retried and kalu So I think what the FCC is trying to do now is to appeal the judgment of the court In the loose uh, they might probably go to the supreme court or start the case after so Kalu is not of the hook as it were All right, let's look at the daily independent another interesting headline Saying arrest gumi for saying declaring bandits terrorists will end nigeria So a right group is asking that gumi should be arrested for saying declaring bandit terrorists would end the country What are your thoughts? Do you have to take security justice to arrest gumi not in what the right thing to do Well, he has not been arrested No, no i'm just no i'm just adding to what you are saying my sister I must say I said it was anybody need to take the security just the dss the police or whoever is that Is it not the same? secret cases that arrested Namda kalu Is it not the same? Everybody that said anything that can cause Or try to elevate what we have the correct in security we have in the line Especially the area of terrorism. I don't call them the same school in the bandit Their terrorists are not on the bandit because it's only the terrorists that we go to a mosque Just three days two days ago to go keep a team worshippers in a mosque A site place People the bandits do that Those are terrorists It's also terrorists that we go to a market in so koto and king 49 people Is a terrorist group that we go to a school and kidnapped and bundled over hundreds to them School poops and take them to the beach and be collected ransom So, whatever gumi he says is that what is the body language of the government doesn't seem to support What most of us have been saying and they seem to be comfortable with what's going on What gumi is doing is oil the palms and Of this terrorist because he's trying to give them some soft landing You cannot say that we continue to Negotiate or pay ransom and don't look at the terrorist has been a terrorist Though that they are burning they are going about getting business and grace for them. That's Nigeria. We are good at that What other form of choosing is that if you can say that Nigeria will not exist again because With Nigeria and general government Is we got a point to deal with terrorists Even that segment is a therefore the spirit of our security agencies who are paying the price The high price of losing their lives every day fighting these terrorists A situation where you see them arresting these terrorists who are accused of non-nigerians bring them for prosecution The next thing you see that they grant them amnesty After giving them a starter pad giving them also this is that the repeater Bandit or whatever the rest of them. We cannot continue this way A nation where the lives and security of their citizen is not guaranteed is more or less like a banana republic No, most land is guaranteed any longer. And that is the terrible situation we're having ourselves So and so many the government also have come out to say through the minister of information and even Nigeria To say that they have about 400 People that have identified not only as sponsors, but also terrorists and they'll be prosecuted My brother my sister have you seen any name published have them be prosecuted Instead, what did the hgf do the plea came out lastly to announce the sponsors of Ebu who announced the sponsors of Nandekalu what are the sponsors of terrorism that is practically grounding the whole of you know Where the hgf comes he has not named a single person and that is why we're having this kind of issue Where some people believe that some some people seem to be untouchable if you have one part of the country It seems to be an untouchable, but it is even did not wear bumi And the score has come from that is even getting more affected Just last week the red track from cardinal to Appuja was bombed We're destroyed and it's not a repair. There's good. They've tried the roads. They've succeeded. They tried the real They succeeded. Where are they going next? Don't be shocked if it could be a code for beat So I think on to something gives and this god may give us the assurance that nobody is a sacrificial lamb Who will continue to face this? Tell me we are finding ourselves and some people are not happy the matters Even Who initially initiated this idea of negotiation thing with this terrorist have come out to say that there should be declared Terrorists that the six speakers of houses of assembly came out Last week also to say that these people should be declared Terrorists immediately But see me what he's saying and nobody is speaking me That was the point I said he was arrested or he has been invited by here He came out to say nobody invited him and he's in his house What do you make of that? We're still talking about you know the insecurity challenges, you know and our approach to dealing with these issues the punch this morning says missing reporter by jabbi abmila canvases divine intervention as a journalist protest Mr. Wandoo Yeah, sorry. I didn't get you saying it, but I mean I said what sorry Canvases divine intervention as a Journalist protest and that's with ragazi missing reporter Yes, um As a conference of I don't give up any talks in amulet. I just Divide intervention Although some people have said that I'm not a good student of the bible That there's nowhere to stay in the bible that god help those that help themselves Yeah, but if right from when I was in primary school that hearing god help those who have access if you don't help yourself There's no divine intervention. God will not come down from heaven to come and help you It's not possible. That is why he gives you leaders. That's why he gives you brain That is how he gives you all the necessary just to walk with but if our leaders are now saying that we should leave everything to god Then let us leave everything we should even do anything Then the soldiers also put down their arms and let us wait on god to come down from heaven to come and To fight the war for us. It's not possible. No way in the world Are we more present than uh more present than israel where christianity came from Are these ladies not fighting? Are they not dealing with terrorists? Are they not killing them? Are we more islamic than Is there no fighting terrorists? Are they not dealing with them? Is it not happening in iran? Is it not happening in iraq? Is it not happening in syria? No, we are in the world will anybody Say that within our divine intervention to solve magic. We cannot divine intervention And that is what they have been using to divide us When they need to find a convenient they use religion. They use ethnicity to divide the ideal Then they also should resign and let's go take control. Let's go take control of your house of representative And the god should be just the administering the house of representative instead of better be i mean i mean i speak of the house of It is i can we just come down for from original Talks we need to do the needful any country that needs to progress has to have to do the right thing Doing the right thing you cannot continue to do the same thing every time and expecting New resource is not possible The leaders our leaders should be very very holistic in their approach to issue one That they are totally that disconnected from the people Even the members of the national assembly and the expected they are disconnected from their Constituencies, i mean of them go to their constituencies to hear what their Constituent members are saying It's only when you see the next election commission and they will be growing and growing other and giving a guarantee machine motorcycle and the rest of them and that's where it ends What we need now is leadership all we're lacking again is leadership We don't have the right set of leadership We need to take cost out of the problem we're having With security the economy or we have the leadership at the highest level at the federal and the state level Where we have leaders who can be able to take And approach some of this issue from nationalistic Angle who continues to i'm not only of the federal government also talking about the state. What are the governors doing? If you go to practically everything i could last in the states everybody's waiting for Abuja They cannot even take out of the boat to be able to raise I g i within their various states to be able to do what they wait for is everyone they go to abuja to Go and collect expense and share it among themselves and we move on We don't need any divine intervention What we need is Human intervention and getting leaders who can look at our problem and be able to solve it for us That is what we elected them if they cannot be able to do that they let them resign Okay, so it's uh There's always a human path to every miracle Just as you would want to say that faiths without works is dead Okay, let's quickly check out the daily independent newspaper this morning quite interesting a number of governorship elections federal government orders security Agencies to deal with trouble makers The elections hopefully on the 6th of november and the federal government is saying there will be an overwhelming presence of You know security to ensure that that elections happen. Another instruction is that they should deal with trouble makers What do you make of this statement? The number of elections was good Irrespective of what anybody what it is that election was good It is now within the ranks of the secret agencies to make sure that they secure an umbrella to make it possible For we would have to come out to maybe to pick a candidate of their choice Who's going to be the governor of that state for the next four years? For anybody i've seen ipod talking about seat at home No, sit at home anybody that comes out. Yes, it's good to apply that But if what we can be rest assured that's good to before that's a party a party Because already every you see what happens every monday in the southeast You know expecting for whatever it was people to stay at home because of fear to their lives Now the another thing government. I even got a bit for that to say okay since you've been sitting at home On mondays we are moving the school uh moving schools to saturdays So no school on mondays the saturdays we're going to have Schools The poop is going to school on saturday with us of the problem that was of the problem But for the november 6 election in an umbrella state It is if it does no good Security agencies should be heard responsibly and that is the fact Because we are having an election in just one state out of 36 states They will not have an election in the whole of nigeria So they have no reason not not to be able to secure an umbrella for that election to vote Then who they know the federal government has listened to the uh, He and he's of most members of ipop and people of the saturdays that inam de calo should be brought to Uh, to the court that's been this situation that though he has been killed He has died in prison is not true and rest of them also some propaganda around him but who they know He was going to court um few days ago and everybody saw that inam de calo is Here i heard it and that is a good PR for For the federal government, but my challenge is also has always been that how long can saturdays continue to be a bonny ground How long can saturdays where i come from? the economic the economic economy Going down economically socially and politically Nothing is happening in the saturday investment is not going to the saturdays And that should be exploring the the governors and leaders of the saturdays not the federal government this time around Because to whom much is given much is expected They are the chief security officer on their various states and they should be able to secure the estate Using not the necessary apparatus to maybe to secure that make life and property secure for their people to be able to go about their commercial and social activities People don't even go for barriers in the saturdays again. People don't go to parties People don't go for a two-club So economic and social life are particularly collapsing the saturdays Some of us from the saturdays can't even go home because you don't even know what will happen the next time This is not good enough and i've said this several times. Look at what is happening in the saturdays. The saturdays came up with the amotecum The home groom look at policing and the rest of them Our people in the saturdays have been talking about a bubagu for how many years now nothing has come out of it And they're not talking of december oh by december we see what we can do or we'll come with that That is not showing leadership and it comes back to what i said earlier When you have leaders who don't have the vision When the vision is not right, you cannot get the mission You cannot get your mission right. So what they are lacking now is the vision They lack the vision and at the end of the year their mission as leaders cannot come true, but whether Whether the election for november 6 we go to nana bra or not That is a bygone completion for me that election must hold And a winner must emerge or else we run into some constitutional problems But is he okay for the president to say that you know troublemakers should be dealt with because I mean that particular statement does it worry you is he okay to make such statement Where we have the law to take care of things Some of us we are Failed so bad and ashamed When the president came out to say that we deal with people in a language that we understand That was very unpresidential But if the president has come out to say that troublemakers should be dealt with of course That's don't say the problem with that. Are you saying that we shouldn't deal with troublemakers What we cannot identify now who are troublemakers and to what what are you identifying our troublemakers If it's just mere agitation that people are just making protests and the rest of them These are not troublemakers Though that you went to leaky Field is equal to protect to mark the one anniversary or answers. They're not troublemakers for me Are you saying that they should be dealt with you can't do with those or miss I wonder we know what we're talking about But any good And your freedom stops where my own begins So if you stop me from performing my duty as I need to be just an idea as I showed in 99 99 99 constitution as amended there That's problem So for me, I don't have any challenge with troublemakers being dealt with But let's not be very holistic in our approach to issues like this. All right. Good thing. We have An extended conversation about this today and also looking at the failure of governance, you know with the you know the whole of the southeast and I think that's some of the things I will talk about later sometimes this morning But I want us to wrap up, you know, and I want you to quickly, you know speak, you know about You've mentioned that there will be a governor from the 6th of november regardless of what the ipo be wants So I want you know you to share your thoughts on what exactly the ipo be hopes to achieve With this and why don't they see that regardless of their seat at home order or not There will be a governor the governor could be from the apc even And they've achieved absolutely nothing, you know, why don't they see that these they're you know, these moves completely fail well Some of us I personally Uh, I'm not a member of ipod I'm not support ipod But some of the things issues be raised by ipod resonance with me as an ego man If you understand what I mean, yeah, it's resonance with me as an ego man and Personally, I also think that that should be different. We should have different approaches and that is where personally I disagree with you of iPod I would have also believed that for some of us we believe that we should have Engaged in a more intellectual approach to the issues as big Rather than the boot and jack way iPod is going about it But you ask yourself Massive was for many years tried to raise the issues within the problem within the southeast Not was done about it It was because mass of faith That iPod came on So in those agitations by the sartis have been addressed. I don't think I've got it where we are And that those issues have not been even addressed in now The body language of the leaders and the president and rest of them is not even showing that so but I My personal opinion is that iPod should find a more if this what is the way it's going about this is not working Can we find a much refined better way of approaching this? I can tell you for sure that if iPod is well organized Totally organized with the kind of popularities have in the sartis If iPod presents any governorship candidates in the sartis in any of the five cities in sartis, it will win I'm telling you that for free If I will present a candidate adia anambra, emo, enugu, eboni Bring any other political party anambra say this is our candidate This is the person we believe that can make me to do it for the sartis Whether you're faith pto or pdpu or whatever that candidate will win And I think that would have been the approach for me because by so doing you are not contributing to the governance of your own area Your voices will be counted. You cannot make your order make Make your own in-road make your own and with some of those things you are agitating for you bring it to the floor But we cannot continue like this where it's conducive. Oh, it's either biafra or naughtiness and the rest of them. Yes Let there be biafra But is there biafra coming tomorrow? Is it coming today? Or will I go? No, we cannot continue to cripple the economy and social activities of the same people you are agitating for By making sure that they are totally crippled. It doesn't work that way. Nobody does that You should be empowering your people not improvise them. And that is a problem. That is only problem But what are the messages they are passing across whether it's right or not? I for me totally I agree If it's for agitation and the emancipation of the sartis and some of the things what Some of us have been talking about for so many years not the neglect that is so Someone is coming and telling oh, you are talking of negate. We are giving you Don't you see the second Niger bridge is about Is about being completed and has Is it only the people of the sartis that are going to use the second Niger bridge? The second Niger bridge starts from Asaba. Asaba is in south side And it takes everybody that goes to the south side through their past through there and one of the past of the country So don't tell me that oh, you are giving the people of the south side South is second Niger bridge. That is an achievement. That is not an achievement Don't you have the top mainland bridge in Lagos? This is not the federal government that built the top mainland bridge Don't you have bridges in other parts of the country? So where would you? Second Niger bridge As a something very very Important they are doing for the sartis. It is not for the sartis. It is for the betterment of Nigeria There is no point in using the sartis. It's going to carry the bridge on the head Yeah, absolutely. And I think you know I believe there is you know lots of people around the sartis or from the sartis who also agree with your perspective And of course, I'm sure that's also, you know, one of the reasons There's many people from the southeast who also agree with the ipob. They may not You know necessarily agree with their motives or their methods of agitation But they agree with, you know, their their perspectives and and what they think But what I'm trying to figure out here is how come Or does this really tell the level of thinking of the ipob? And I'm talking right from Nandikana to a my powerful to those on ground who really have to continue to push the same narratives Don't they see that it's not working and it's not leading to any, you know, anything beneficial for them Or for the people of the southeast Because Nandikana would not be released because he shut down the sartis even if he shut it down for six months He would not be released. That's one Second there will be a governor, you know from the 6th of november in nanambra state regardless of what the ipob says Or what they do Even if it is five people who come out to vote there will be a governor And so don't they see that these tactics and these, you know, the approaches that they have are failing and they're not in any way useful What's happening is the carrot and stick approach That is what's happening in the sartis now what we call the carrot and stick approach now That agitation won't come to place if the leaders and leaders of thought in the sartis are between what they're supposed to be Is because of this Distrust between the younger ones in the sartis and their leaders Is it without hanese? Is it the governors? Is it those representing them and rest of them? The the average youth in the sartis have seen these people as sellers And what they're trying to do is to take the destiny they are destiny in their hands And they're believing that if they don't make their voices hear Then nobody's going to hear them and that is why some of them are going this narrow way And I will tell you for free once again that it's not everybody in the sartis that agrees with Ipoh is not everybody that is a member of Ipoh It's not everybody that agrees with approach But the common ground for everybody in the sartis that the message being passed by Ipoh Is he right? for me I'll look at the message not the messenger And we're able to be able to Dysaid this then we can be able to get a better so here's the disconnect until the Younger ones in the sartis come to believe and respect and trust their leaders and the opinion leaders as it were Then we continue to have an average in those days A anese we call a meeting of the younger ones in the community This is how we should go about this and rest of them and they'll listen to them But because most of them are not sellouts They have sold themselves to most of these. They are so called oppressors So they no longer believe in us. So when we are talking to them, they are not listening So the first of the most thing is maybe to bring that gap a gap of trust between the younger ones and the leaders of the sartis If you come in with that gap, then we are getting Somewhere but as I've said repeatedly the approach by iPod some of some of these approaches is not doesn't resonate with me. You cannot continue to cripple the economic Values of your place or your people the people say people you say you want to emancipate and you want to help To come out of you are not trying to impoverish them by saying they should see that home every monday And they should not go out. They should do that. It doesn't help What they should be doing now is that being able to be able to harness their thought Focus on the trial of Let us runny every Ibu man Irrespective of whatever the future make sure that namdik kalu gets a soft landing on this When we don't that I want to see some kind of discussion between the federal government and namdik no matter what You cannot remove namdik kalu from the equation. He's not possible He's not the water why you call him. He has followers and he help people that listen to But the challenge for me is that it is also seen that ipod is even losing um The command because if you listen to what senator abayu said recently We have lost about 30 other agitating groups now So it's no longer ipod. So even if ipod say don't go out on monday Some people will come out and start enforcing and that is what is happening. Remember that ipod came out recently and said that no People should go about their duties on on mondays But some people some fifths coming in schemad and we are going around killing people burning vehicles and the rest of them I'm not sure those people are members of ipod But those are the people that believe in what ipod will and last on the message deliver by ipod and they're not taking to the next level So those are the issues we have to battle in now It has gone beyond ipod most of the things happening in sad is i don't believe it's only ipod And it goes on our security agencies especially the gss And the police to not look deep and able to find out who are the people behind this and their sponsors Just as we say that it's maybe that is but the sponsors of these salaries happen Do not and deal with them Yes, we continue to go through this because i want to do you think do you think the ipod would be successful? You know taking advantage of nondra's electoral system Do you think that they would be able to have you know people who believe in their ideologies in You know places in the state house of assembly in the governorship seat in in the local government chairmanship seat Can do they have the numbers to be able to place presence that believe you know have their interests in those positions Without making without sending the modest There's no governor in the south east that is as popular as in America Take that from me. Yeah, absolutely. And I get that you know, but One of the things that they've also said Let me tell you where I'm going to I was shocked I'm a student. I'm a Panayian law student in one of the universities. I was shocked just yesterday When one of my lecturer Who's the professor of law was talking about in Namdi Kanu and some of the things and that intellectual labor was shocked Because you have great people people just think that oh The followers of the ipod and with this grant there is that Professors of law believe in Namdi Kanu from the south east so many people you'll be shocked Some of they cannot come on TV and say it but you need to hear what you're saying So what I'm saying is he goes just beyond just looking at this What I'm saying is that I think this should be taken to the next level. I personally if in Namdi Kanu comes out tomorrow and say this Governorship candidates is the person we are backing in Africa This governorship candidate is the person we are backing in Annambra This governorship candidate is the one we're backing in Imo and the rest of them I cannot show you that do what and take it from me if that election is not Can be that why do you think that's somewhat like If I you say you want to go see Namdi Kanu This is a governorship candidate in Annambra says it's coming election This is not as a political motive. It is a political motive behind this He wants to run in Namdi Kanu and his supporters to himself so that he can win the election He'll come November Let's ask him the court to please align to that You use that so many of them will use that But I personally see that I have to say from intellectual angles that I push to change the studies We should be more engaging now. Yes. We all believe that as in me. There's nothing wrong with anybody Go and look at what I'm in Sudan for several years. We're fighting Yeah, how can they and what we have now we have Saddam Sudan I also have Sudan that just a food in Sudan in the other part of Sudan But at the end of it, the two countries we are just divided and they were there used to be Czechoslovakia Okay, so I'm sure that that country that they organized So there's nothing wrong in people are just sorry, Mary. I'm talking to you There's nothing wrong in anybody agitates There's nothing wrong for even his pay Spade as as A light, you know, whatever Spade is one of the most diploma trees in the world But you see what does that mean with those from Barcelona who say they want to go there are separate ways That they don't feel like Be with the government in Madrid and that they're going on for in fact the leader of that group Is I think it's currently in Paris or wherever where it was arrested? So there's nothing wrong in agitation or people ask it that they want to be But the basic thing is that what approach do you go about it whether we like it or not If it's going to happen that Nigeria at a point we Get to the point where we'll be separated along different lines that it will happen But if we're going to live together, then we make sure that every part of this country Sees itself as one the problem is we're having now is that certain people from other some part of the country Feel that they're most superior than the others and that is what is going this agitation On to be able to make everybody feel that yes, we are truly Nigeria's in the true sense of it agitation will continue to rise Like you have mentioned you have talked about the need for ipop to engage and you know have that conversation I've also seen some other persons asking that the youths should engage Let there be dialogue But how can they engage when there have been proscribed terrorists and you already know that you know Government is not Encouraged to get into conversations with terrorists That is part of that is part of the engagement. I'm talking about Whether you like it or not It is better to judge. Oh What are we using a lot we're using a lot with this with all this kind of problem We are facing especially in Southeast In the north We should be negotiating with a terrorist as anybody said against that I mean to see governance of the from the north saying that these vandals and so for terrorists should be We should negotiate with them Zampara said it And so many other governors from the north These are terrorists. So these are people that have been engaged by a king To me I both have not gotten to that point It's also miscreant that are going around and maybe in the southeast and rest of them But I believe that if you come to a round table and sit down and look at some of this There's no way that the government can call an inam the call or call the edas from edas from the southeast to get us Let us talk There's no way the edas in the Only of effect just came out from a meeting with the president just few hours ago. I'm sure you listen to what he said He must have had what they only said Where he said the president reported Igbo to him Yes, and the rest of them that is how to go about it. So if you have those these other thoughts You can be able to make them to call bring this people to the table and let us discuss what are the issues they have If the NSE have problem with the fenagome The issue automaton They say this and this are what we want As we have problem with government they say this and this what we've got make government will call us to come let us negotiate They call them mercy come. Let us negotiate. Okay out of these 30 demands We can only do 15 for now Can we do 15 as that looking later as well as we can strike unless we call up the strike That is human that is population That is what is called a dr a lord and that is the way the world is going Alternative dispute resolution. Everything is done on that by force. Most people are taking advantage of that situation even countries Abituration that's what it's called arbitration in love Abitration goes on between countries and countries people no longer go to work If I'm just having problem with camera, they go through arbitration. No longer going to the international court So We look at the issue that said table before the two countries have said Okay, this is the situation. Can we have a win-win no win-win or win-win situation? We are both of you who will win as I'm not looking at this. That is the way it is But if you continue to think that by just killing design Declaring the iPod as a terrorist group This and this and whether that is is not going to solve the problem If financially is key today, I'm not that person. We come back from the start Another person we come back from the start to us and that person we come back from the north We will continue to engage What I think this government will do is by making sure that most of these Agitators and whatever can we have one day has the parents ever made an attempt They respect him or whatever anybody says That's what we are saying The president can attend and say can we have Is there no children the president is the father of the nation The president the receiving people the campaign to To a PC Everything and give you them These are people that are to me and not even what anything But the ones that are your children Within your own today, you have some of them that are very very heavy Will you be called that? They are very heavy You can do that as a father it is your responsibility to be able to call those children together and say Come what is your problem? What do you want to make to do for you and the rest of them? You saw this some of this matter so I think We should be able to get rid of that since the issue of us is not working Can we lose the carrot and stick approach to solve this problem so that we can move on? Miss Awandu Let me take you back to something you had initially spoken about so you can also extend your thoughts on that one Um, I want to know what do you think you know the the current administration Um, you know would be remembered for with regards to their approach towards banditry And they were locked hands to declare them terrorists. They were locked hands to Um, you know do you know what everyone is expecting must be done in order to end banditry Nigeria Um After the administration leaves office in 2023 Do you think they are concerned? You know that they would be remembered as those who You know let the lights off shake Umi continue to make this type of statements, you know in the media Failed, you know over time to declare bandit terrorists and of course treat them as terrorists But instead I'm more upset with those who are agitating and seeking a better country for themselves I hope and I believe that After 2023 after the end of this regime We have a more pragmatic approach these issues What is happening is not especially now Is because of the body language of the leaders and especially president and I put the quote right on the table of the president I said it before If the president is decisive in dealing with these people won't be where we are today Anybody that supports such I don't say different between Gumi and whatever namdekal is doing If you say you are supporting terrorists Then you should also be treated in the same manner You cannot come out and be telling us that terrorists are not They're not terrorists that body that people are going about it by supporting that that means you are supporting the action And you should be held responsible for that so My belief is that Come 2023 depending on who becomes the president If it's somebody that is more nationalistic and open-minded in heart And they mutate this fairly by the home And this might just have bring this to an end Don't forget what happened before the the coming of Musa Yadav There was serious agitation in the Niger Delta. You saw what was happening in the Niger Delta But you saw the way From late president And everything died down completely The use of force was used The carrot and stick approach was also used and we're meant to see reasons So and at the end of it all there was a middle ground Those that are kidding those are those ones are people have a reason for agitation Those that are killing in the north now. What is the reason? Is there an agitation? Is it that they are marginalized? Is it that their children are not be sent to school? Is it because they're not getting what they're supposed to get from Nigeria? Is pure criminality that is going on in the north? And that is why we believe that the president can be more decisive than he is currently Okay, the hands of our security agents that died They cannot add vision the expression of the president And i'm saying this from my own point of view as a public affair analysis, not a security expert Release the hand or change the hands of these authority agencies and you see them do wonder You cannot express somebody to capture a terrorist Hand it over to the government and you see the same person tomorrow being released. How do you want him to feel? So there must be a situation where on a daily basis the governors of one new state and some of the nuts Would be calling camera men calling us journalists to come and see them and releasing So-called repentance and giving them what they necessary for me sit and rest of them does not help matters Let us be decisive with these people. I'm not for those that said oh There was the community get them keep them It wouldn't work. Nigeria is a signatory to so many Conventions across the group that have to do with human rights So you cannot just pick people and keep them even in one situation If you capture somebody that you are at a war with and raising the white flag, what do you do? You don't keep the person if you do you'll be charged to the detention court of criminal Court, but the situation as I said on 23 If we're able to get leaders that can see this from not from a microscopy Approach from a broader who don't see These people some people as their brothers and others and not be their brothers and rest of them Don't forget that this is started from flony. Hezman. Yeah That is what it's from from flony. Hezman. They now move over to bandits. They are now their terrorists and rest of them Something was and across president That is a problem. Okay It's a very really really important conversation And of course, thank you very much for staying with us, you know And of course it seems like it was an extended of the press this morning But thanks once again, and we wish you a very beautiful Tuesday ahead Thank you for spending me you have a nice day and uh Now, of course, since we already had mentioned or he already had mentioned 2023 It's part of our discussions this morning The muslim rights concern muric has stated that it will only support a yoruba muslim candidate for 2023 And we're going to be speaking next with the director of muric Professor ishaka kintola. He comes up next here on the breakfast. Good morning