 We did earlier with the orange hut and he said, oh, it's scary as fuck. You're mate. He had a beanie as well? Yeah. I don't know if there's many people that can watch this without being emotionally moved. I don't think many people would. I think everyone, unless people didn't not have a heart. Yeah. I remember him. Yeah. Pigs, yeah. Pigs. So this is... What is this to do with fucking... What is this to do with... That's a gas chamber. Gas chamber for pigs. Yeah. So basically you're doing something for animal cruelty, yeah? It's the scariest movie ever made, I think. Is it? If I was in there, it would be pretty scary. Well, yeah. I won't call it scary, but... What is the situation? Pigs in it. Everyone eat... Oh, do you eat meat? I used to. You used to? Yeah, for many years. And now you watch this and then now you don't. Yeah, it's a little bit deeper than that, yeah, but this is... I thought this was going to be like a proper scary movie kind of thing. Yeah, I understand. I didn't think it was going to be for birds and pigs and stuff like that. This is the egg industry. They're grinding our male chicks up alive on their first day of life. Yeah. Because they won't produce eggs. I'd still eat it. Sorry, but I would... Yeah. This wouldn't change you emotionally, no? No. You know, people don't care about animals. I love animals. Have you seen this before? No. You haven't? No. This is my first time. I love chicken. Is it wrong to cut the heads off like that to be... It's been inhumane, isn't it? Yeah, interesting that word humane. Inhumane. Yeah. I mean, humanely possible is a thing that... This is humane slaughter here. Is it? This is what they claim is humane slaughter. No, no, it's inhumane slaughter. That's what that is. I agree with you. I agree with you, yeah. Okay, I was trying to escape the knockbox. They don't want to be shot in the head. Obviously, with the bolt. This is a stunner, too. These are bobby calves. They'll be killed because they don't produce milk. It's a bit wrong, obviously, but I still eat it. Sorry, but I would... You don't have to apologize to me, brother. I love meat. I used to as well, yeah. I understand that. Even seeing this now, I still eat meat. Yeah. That's horrible. Yeah. Isn't it? Yeah. Well, I never lie. She's a dairy cow. When she doesn't produce milk anymore, they'll turn her into a burger. Slice her throat and turn her into a burger. Yeah, that's the proper inhumane ways of killing animals, man. It's disgusting. Yeah. They're trying to escape and they're scared, eh? But someone needs to stand up and inhumanely kill him. Inhumane... Inhumanely... Inhumanely kill him, so... Yeah. What do you think that looks like? What was the words that was... What do you mean... When you say humane, what do you mean by humane? Well, that's not humane, is it? Okay, well, it's the opposite of that. So what does humane-ly killing someone look like? Put them out of their misery, like proper... Boom. Just shoot them in the head? Yeah. Like the cows were being shot in the head before they had to? Yeah, but that's... I mean, that's what avatars do. Yeah. Avertars do. Yeah. So it would... I would say like... What do you think about this? I'd say it's humane to put someone out of their suffering if they were suffering. If I was suffering... Yeah. I'd want people to put me out of their misery. So it'd be more humane to take you out of that suffering, yeah? Yeah, of course. But what if they were just being bred for food? Like, do you think that's humane to take their life from them? Well, humans don't get bred for food, do they? No. Because we're not cannibals. No, true. That's human beings. We're not cannibals. We don't eat other human beings, do we? I agree with you. But like, do you think it's humane to take the life of an animal if they want to live? Well, we don't know, do we? Because we're not in the brains of animals, do we? But just from your... We're not in the brains of humans either, so... Yeah, but like... I don't know. But we want to live, though. It's just a way of life, isn't it? Would you agree that animals want to live or...? If we was on the desert island, and there was a pig, a chicken, a cow, and you had nothing else to eat, you wouldn't be able to... You'd... I'd kill. Are you talking about a survival situation? Yeah, we'd probably do some really, you know, messed up things in it. Grastic things, yeah. To each other, even, in a survival situation. Nah, I wouldn't even be cannibalistic. There's pigs and shit. I wouldn't even eat a human being. I'd eat the cow and all the pig. What if there was only you and humans? I'll starve to death. I'll starve to death. Okay, I understand. Because I'm not a cannibal, man. Do you ever watch Hannibal Lecter, the film? Yeah, I have. Yeah, I've seen it. I don't want to be doing that. Did you see how he fed the child a human brain without the child knowing? That's disgusting. In that scene on the plane? Yeah, that's disgusting, though. Yeah. Obviously, it's a film, but it's disgusting in the same sense. Think about how we feed children meat and they don't know about this. It's kind of the same thing. If they found out about this, that'd be... Kids are growing up thinking that it's all right. And then we turn into adults. Yeah, and then we still know it's all right. Unless you, like... Look into it. I mean, look into it a bit more. Is this the first time you've ever seen footage like this? Yeah, it is, yeah. It's not making me change my mind on meat. It's not going to. No, it's not going to, no. But you agree that that's inhumane and wrong? I'm apologising for saying that, but I don't even know why I'm apologising for it. I'm going to eat meat until I die. Animal meat, anyway, not human meat. No, it's very... I feel very sorry for the animals. What if there was a plant-based option that tastes like meat? Would you choose that over the animal? Corn, you mean? There's corn, there's beyond meat. There's, you know, Iceland, they've got no bull burgers. There's all these different plant-based options. Would you try one of those? I would be open. You'd be open? I'd be open to taste it and try it. If I liked it, then obviously I'd eat it. But if I didn't like it, I wouldn't eat it. Because I'm one of them people that if I like it, I'd eat it. If I don't like it, I won't... Even if there's an ethical implication like someone getting their head cut off, you still wouldn't change or... Well, not someone, because it's an animal, isn't it? Oh, it is. It's not someone, it's something in it. An animal is something, not someone. Really? I'd have a different opinion. Yeah, that's fair enough. I think because they're... That's what I'm saying, this is a different sort of opinion though, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Because like, for me, like, things... I agree and you'll disagree until the cows come home. Literally, no pun intended. I hope they do come home, they don't get slashed across the throat. Well, hopefully that one, yeah. Yeah, I think, like, because they are sentient like us and they experience reality, there's someone in there. That's why I call them someone. Like, a dog has a personality, there's someone, yeah. Yeah, they're not things like tables or plants. Well, obviously, Chinese eat dogs and cats and stuff. Yeah, I know. I wouldn't eat a dog or a cat because I like dogs. I love dogs and cats. That's weird, though, eh? It's mad, isn't it? It's like we select which animals we kill and eat and which ones we care for. Yeah, but some people aren't surrounded by cat... I mean, cows and sheep and stuff like that, are they? So they just push that to the side and think, yeah, that'd be nice to eat, wouldn't it? I get it. But, you know, pigs can experience and, yeah, they're intelligent like dogs. That's the most consumerist point of view, isn't it? Yeah, they hide all this from people. They hide that. They hide everything. They just feed it to them in the plastic. They really care. They don't care. They don't know. Do you think, like, not all the public are as hard as you are? Like, do you think most... I would say I'm hard. I'm just saying this is where the way I've grown up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By eating meat. My mother and my father. Yeah, same. Like, give me meat to eat. Same. And then I liked it. And then, obviously, I've always had it. Eating it. Become her habit. Yeah, I understand. It's become a habit of tradition and something you're really used to. You don't know if you can just change like that. Do you think most of the public would be morally against this? Most of them. Probably the majority of them. The vast majority, yeah. The vast majority, would you say? Half of the majority, yeah. About 50%? 50, 50, yeah. 50 will like, like, won't like this and 50% is like, nah, I like meat. I still like meat. Yeah, but you... It doesn't matter about this video. I'll still beat it. Yeah. You even agreed to me that it's wrong but you're still not going to change. It is wrong, yeah, but... So that's all I would say of most of the public would say. If anything, they should, what do you call it, kill them more humanely. Not inhumanely like they've done on there. Interesting. I'm not going to stop eating meat just because I'm saying that video. Yeah, I'm quite shocked. I mean, because... That's terrible, isn't it? It's disgusting. Can I ask you, do you think a human can be killed humanely if they want to live? Ever? Well, they do it in Switzerland. Oh, you mean euthanasia. But they don't want to live. Yeah, they don't want to live, so... But that's still inhumanely though, isn't it? Because... Euthanasia? In their countries, it's legal. If you're suffering, I think it'd be, if it was in your wishes, your best interest to take your life from you. In this country, if I wanted to, if I had pain in that, and I wanted to die, if you killed someone like that, you'd get arrested for it. I understand, yeah. I understand that, yeah. Yeah, but morals are different to... Other countries have different rules and different laws and stuff like that. Well, let's just say like... Do you think you can humanely kill someone who wants to live? Like, not if you're sick, not if you're terminally ill? I don't understand. Like, literally an animal is different to a human. Yeah. Come on. But we're saying... Humans were before animals. We're the same in many ways though, would you agree? Humans were before animals. Cars beat, beat, beat, you know what I mean? They've got brakes, but they still try... They run people over. Yeah. Horses were before bloody cars, but humans were before horses. So I don't understand that. So you think we take precedent over animals? Yeah, sometimes, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But you don't think we're similar in many ways? Like the way we feel pain and want to live and we experience well-being? I don't know. I'm not in the mind of an animal, so I don't really know what to think. Like a dog when they're happy, you know when they're happy and... Obviously, a wag their tail and that, obviously. I don't know what... They're showing you... Dogs, dogs, when they're hungry, they eat till they're sick. So you don't know when they're hungry because you could put something in front of them and then they keep eating and eating and eating and then they're sick and then that's too much. You can tell when an animal's suffering, yeah? Oh yeah, of course it can, yeah. So you're not inside their head, but there's things that they show to you that would show that they're suffering. Yeah. So that's what we have in common, you know what I'm saying? What you've just showed me. Yeah. The cows and stuff like that. Just because people think that they're suffering, doesn't mean they're not... that they are suffering, you know what I mean? That's just ridiculous. You would give them the benefit of the doubt though, yeah? Yeah. So you would say they are suffering, yeah? Just because they're young. We need to kill them. No, that's drunk. That's just a joke. It's not good. That's not good at all, no? I think we agree on most things. You're just saying, no matter what you see, you're not going to stop eating meat because of the convenience factor because you've been doing it a long time. But you said also... I just like meat. Yeah, I'm very, very shocked. Now I feel like I don't want to eat meat no more.