 Welcome to Toffy TV, I am joined by an evident legend, the man whose record has finally gone, the last man to score the winner at Anfield before Saturday. It is Super Kevin Campbell, what an honour to chat to you today. How are you man? Baz, honosly, Peda, I've got no peds behind the camera, but I'm still buzzing. I am still buzzing, it's been a long, long time coming, as it really has. And anybody who knows me knows, I wanted it to go the next year, two years. So, listen, brilliant, brilliant performance and so proud. Yeah, I mean Jamie Carriga said, Kevin Campbell won't be too happy this record's gone. I don't know though Baz, what does he know? He don't speak for me. I could tell you this, I am absolutely delighted it's gone. And I'm so pleased it's gone. Well, there's new members in the exclusive club Baz. There they are. Richard Wilson and Sigurdson, the exclusive club, there aren't many who have done that at Anfield. So listen, I'm just delighted that the team won because I think it's an important point and an important hurdle to get over in the evolution of Everton. Because the rebuild is real now, you know, because all those things that hang over the team, they're knocking them down slowly, but surely so, it's really important to be Liverpool at Anfield. Definitely. I mean, I know that you're desperate for the record to go because when you come in and done the podcast with us, you were saying it's been far too long, I want it gone. So it's been too long till you've been in here, to be honest. You know what the world is like at the moment, but hopefully you'll be back in the studio sooner rather than later and we can have a good laugh. Just on to the game then, obviously going into it, obviously a lot of people saying, and we felt it was a good opportunity for Everton to break this because no fans being there and everything. But there was that thing of Liverpool losing three home games on the run and they wouldn't be four. So, you know, it wasn't as easy as what people can or it was a bigger deal than what people have made it out, I think anyway, personally from an Everton perspective. Yeah, Baz, I think the important part was you knew Everton had a good chance. You know, look, whether we like it or not, they have got injuries. Both teams have injuries and they have to deal with it, but some of their injuries are all in one position, which is centre off and at the back. So we think to ourselves, well, if we can't get at this lot, then something's wrong. But we've said that before, they've played weak and teams at times and Everton just haven't turned up. So, you know, it's 22 years of pressure on the seven on the seven and squad. And, you know, it was it was starting to show a little bit over the years, you know, Jordan Pickford incidents and all these kind of things. It was it was painful at times, but we knew we stood a chance, but you still got to go in there and you still got to win the game. You still got a battle. You still got to deal with their their front players and midfielders and everything like that. Because you know, as well as I do Baz, that front three, when they're on there, when they're on blob, could rip anybody apart. In the Champions League midweek, they were ripping people apart. Yeah, true. You know, it's the same team who played at the Champions League of one convincingly. So Everton had to defend well. They had to defend well and try and get in front. I thought Everton started the game really well. Hamas Rudwig is theirs. Obviously, some people questioning sometimes about, you know, about getting stuck in, but that's not his game. His game is exactly what you saw with that pass touch and that sweet pass to Richardlasen. Richardlasen just played off the shoulder and bang! I mean, well, brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I mean, it's really weird, isn't it? The last time we won there and you scored early on, I think your goal was four minutes in. And the charlasen's just three minutes. And the pity, I saw the pity you put up of the two. Did you see him? Did you reply to him yesterday? Did you see that? Brilliant. Listen, it made my day. Top, top. Listen, we know he's a top player. To take a little bit of time out to respond, it was first class I fought and it really made my day yesterday. It was a nice touch. It's great as a supporter to see that, you know, interacting with you was brilliant. But it was weird, though, because both pitches at the cop end as well, you know what it's like. A real symbolic moment in the game. And to be honest, you were the first person I thought of when it hit the net. It was like, it's done work. It's done work after it. I was passing it! I was passing it! There you go! It was superb. Honestly, it was superb. Just to get the noses in front. And then you could say, well, okay, let's keep the game plan now. Because you've got something to hold on to, Baz. Exactly. I know with mine it was maybe, it scored too early, but this one wasn't too early. It wasn't too early. Score, get your noses in front, and then see what they've got. Liverpool weren't breaking there in Everton on Saturday evening. You mentioned it then from the Leipzig game, up against Leipzig, up on Macarn, on Canate, and people like that at Leipzig. Really good defenders. Liverpool were through three, four, five times that night. And yet on Saturday, obviously, Michael Keane, Ben Goffrey, Mason Holgate, Llewka Dill, Seamus Coleman, all really had to stick to their task, didn't they? It's so difficult when you're under it. You haven't got a lot of the ball. You've got to concentrate, haven't you? And it's constant pressure because the way Liverpool play, they win the ball back early. Or when you clear your lines, it's going to them because you commit a lot of men forward. So the ball is coming back and it's like, if you switch off for one minute, you're in trouble. But these are the levels that the Everton players have to do week in, week out, because we've seen, we know they can do it. And this was a great game to win. But you've got to do it against the Follum at Holman. You've got to do it week in, week out. This is the standard, and we know they can hit the standard because they've kept the champions quiet at Holman and won the game in the Merseyside Derby, which is brilliant. And deserve to win it as well, Beth, if I may say so. Yeah, with the game plan, 100%. What did you make as your own pick for this performance? A lot of people have questioned him at times and he hasn't had a great time at Amfield in particular. But that saved from Henderson's set him on his way, didn't it? Beth, as I've questioned him at times, I've got to be honest because you say what you see and a couple of years ago, the mistake he made gave me one of the most difficult times in a football stadium. It was, it was 0-0 ever and had done so well. And my mate, Red Nose John, absolutely give it to me when the goal went in right at the death, you know. You can imagine, and I'm surrounded by Reds, so it was tough. But I think Jordan Pickford focused, he focused, when he focuses himself, he's a damn good, he's an England's number one, he's a damn good keeper. So, I think he owed us that performance and he owed himself that performance, he was outstanding, mistake free, which really helps. And he kept a clean sheet at Amfield, which you know, is always a sweet one. Yeah, 100%. I mean, that's all I kept saying to myself, please keep a clean sheet, please, because it's so important. Obviously it meant we'd won the game, but it was so important anyway. Were you impressed with the way they did stick to the game plan? Even in the second half, it was, you know, the two banks are four, Rajalis and up on his own. I mean, how did you rate his performance, Kev? Because when you're up on your own, you've played that many a time. You don't see a lot of the ball sometimes, but you've got to be switched on as well to get old of it and try to buy you some time. Yeah, I thought he'd done really well, I really did. Because what you've got to do, you've got to try and occupy all of the back four. And you're one person and you're one person to occupy all of the back four. You think, how do you do that? You've just got to try and be busy. You've got to try and get hold of that ball when it comes. Get a free kick here and there. Buy, give the defenders a rest, give the midfielders a bit of time to move up the pitch. Then you can go from there. That's what you've got to do. I thought he'd done that great. Obviously, he scored after three minutes, which, hey, it's a great opportunity. Put it away, first chance with a fantastic boy by Rodríguez. But again, I thought he played, he led the line really well. It's difficult because he's isolated, but he put a shift in and then obviously he got some proper relief when DCL came on in the second half and Ciggy came on. He gave us a bit more legs there as well. I thought we won it at a counter. What's with you in the end? I mean, how good was the second goal? Because obviously Dominic Cromon and really started putting himself about winning headers, you know, getting testing their two centre backs. But the goal itself, well, the penalty, what led to the penalty. Great ball out front Tom Davis, lovely spin by Richie Arlison, and then Dominic Calvert-Lewin turning into a train, running through and people have told me it wasn't a penalty. I don't know what game, we must be watching different games. Honestly, we must be watching different. My answer is, if Trent Alexander-Arnold isn't there, does Dominic Calvert-Lewin score? The goal he's laying on the floor, the ball's free. He's got a tap in. Why would he go down? I mean, just to clarify, Kev, was it a penalty for you? 100% it was a penalty. 100% and listen, if it wasn't, I would say, you know what, I'm a bit dubious. It wasn't even, it wasn't even, it shouldn't even have gone to VAR. No. Well, they've said he went to it whether to send them off, didn't he? That's what they've said. I don't know whether that's a fear of course. So I think because Trent Alexander-Arnold made an attempt, a tackle, that's why he stays on the pitch, that's why he gets a yellow. He didn't make an attempt and brought him down, then obviously it's a red. It was a stonewall penalty for me. And obviously because of the VAR checking all that, Sigarton's got time to think then, hasn't he? So how cool a penalty was he? Well, look, the referee helped because he didn't take him long. He didn't take him long the night was better. He just had a look at it right. That's good. But you know, the pressure, Annie rolled in, no fans. The pressure's on Siggy, but he dispatched it beautifully, didn't he? It was clinically done and 2-0. I thought it was about right, if I'm honest. Liverpool, Hefton, Pafton, you know, you have to defend well, but I thought Everton were superb defensively. And they looked more of a threat when it mattered. Yeah, I mean, Sigarton almost made a 3-0 with a Weldy right at the end, but it was a great performance. What have you made of Ben Goffrey this season, Kef, coming into the side? Really like him. Looks to me. I've seen him play multiple positions. Looks like he really takes pride in his work. Wherever he plays, he puts a shift in. And he's got that mentality. He's not going to get beat. He's got that tough mentality that you have to have. I like his work ethic. I like his mentality, like I say. And I like the fact that he's flexible enough to play in multiple positions. So he's one that's going to be in and around that first team for a long, long time. And I think he's going to have a big career at Everton. Yeah, he's been absolutely fantastic. So as a performance at Amfield, it went to plan pay effectively for Carlo Ancelotti, didn't it? What have you made of Everton this season? Cos obviously we're doing really well. There's 14 games to go. They're still in with a shout of the Champions League. It's a strange season anyway. So what have you made of Everton? I think Everton have made definite progress this season. Always the issue for me, Baz, was you took the Cortina engine out and you put the Rolls-Royce engine in with Alan, the Cormorate and Jaime Rodriguez. Obviously with Gomez chucked in there as well. You've got your Rolls-Royce engine. But it's when those players don't play, the likes of Tom Davis, if they step up to the mark, I think he's been superb. He's improved as a player. And you need that. Alan's not there. You need somebody to step in. Tom Davis has been superb. And there is a transitional period of landmarks that this team have to get over. For instance, in the FA Cup game against Spurs, that is a big hurdle to get over. Extra time against Spurs who have a great record at Cudduson Park. Keep pegging Everton back, but you beat them. Everton win the game. Great. Then midweek, what Everton don't have is the opportunity to be able to say, right, I'm going to change five on the front, six players. And then you've got the energy from the top end where you can keep the back end similar. But you've got the energy to break the ball and hunt the ball in front of you. Defenders have an easier day. Have that. They look two yards off it against Follum. And that's the thing that you're battling against. The squad is okay, but it's not there yet. That's going to take time. But Carlo Ancelotti, trust me, he knows. He don't need me to tell him. You don't know as well. When you are moving in the right direction and you are going to be challenging, when we move into that brand new stadium, the squad has to be in place. Two players in every position. If you need to change six players or seven players, you can change them and the team won't be any weaker. That's the key. And it's getting there. But, you know, Everton have a big chance. What four in games to go? If you told me this at the start of the season, Baz, four games to go, we just have beaten them in the derby. You take it, would you? Oh. You take that. 100%. And there's an opportunity there. Europa League, Europe is a big thing for Everton. It would be great, it would be fantastic to get in the Champions League monetary wise and being able to strengthen the squad. But even a Europa League for Everton, just to keep that momentum going and move the club on another level. I think the Champions League might be a little bit too much of a stretch at this time because we're seeing the differences and then the switch flicks off and then Everton don't perform in a game and get beat by a lesser team kind. So, you know, obviously if they address that in the last 14 games they have a chance. But there's a lot of teams who are probably a little bit further along the line who are going to be covered in those Champions League spots. If I'm going to make Europe, I think it's been a great season. To be able to progress in the FA Cup. That's the one. But what that Liverpool results could do is galvanise the team because whoever they play, whoever comes in their way, can they win on the day? Yes they can. It's all about game planning. If you stick to the game plan and you could defend properly, you have a chance. Anybody, you have a chance. So fingers crossed and could perform on the day. You never know. Gallen Bach, like you've said, Dominic Alvitt-Lewam fully flying again. And who knows on the day if we defend properly? Why not? Arsenal beat them in the semi-final of the cup last season. Arsenal never had a chance. People never gave Arsenal a chance. Arsenal defended properly and they caught them on the break similar to what ever to Liverpool. Sometimes that's what you have to do. You have to make it a little bit ugly. The players have got to know when we get a chance to break and hurt them, you've got to take it. Everton are learning, they're learning very quick on the Carlo Ancelotti. Yes it's all going really well. Let me just talk to you quickly about Dominic Alvitt-Lewam because I know when you come in and done the podcast we had a good conversation about them and you were saying that when you'd seen them you were saying to get in the box. It seems that's exactly what he's done. He's been great between the two posts. 100%. I'm sure Big Dunk is really mentoring him behind the scenes because he's a changed player. He's a changed player. Let's have it right now. Not only is he a changed player, he's a full England international and scored goals and he's Everton's number nine, which is fantastic. We don't want him doing his work in the channels too much because of the way Everton played he needs to be in the box. That's where he's going to get his goals and he's proven now he can score in bunches and he can score regularly. Fair play to the young man. He's done fantastically well. I think he's only going to get better because he's young enough to learn more and he will. What does he in your opinion need to do better to true increase? I think he needs to hunt space a little bit more in the shoulder of the cent halves because it's great when he's back to goal all the time. Sometimes when you're when the team need an outlet sometimes the outlet isn't playing it into you sometimes it's over the top you've got to stretch the pitch so I'd like to see him hunt space a little bit more work on his runs then defenders won't know how to handle him because you go tight and he'll spin you run you over the top if you lay off him he'll bring the ball down and bring others into play. That's the perfect centre forward for you. Because he's fantastic in the air isn't he? His leap is unbelievable isn't he? He's tremendous in the air. I mean we saw for the penalty at the weekend the pace of him he give Liverpool's defenders five yards and beat them by five yards he can't do that over the top. He's the next winger and wingers like obviously like to know that they can use their speed but playing as a striker it's a different discipline so your runs and your thought process have to be a little bit different when you play number nine but he can outstrip a lot of defenders in this league he's quick, he's fast, he's strong so I mean when you've got Hamish Rodriguez in that midfield get on your bike DCL, I'm telling you because he could thread a needle from ten yards get on your bike because he will find him he really will find him I think there's more goals in Dominic Calvert-Lewin on in space as well if he can master that. You know when you look at Everton and you see strong defensively because our best performances have been away from Gooderson Park this season and we've had a strong defensive performances Do you see a way that we could have Richard Allison and Dominic Calvert-Lewin closer to each other with Hamish behind and still maintain that defensive? Do you think they might be better as a two? Because Richard Allison seems to love playing as a centre forward as well. You know why he loves playing as a centre forward best? Because that's where the goals are where the goals are any forward, any striker you want to play in the middle when you're wide you're a bit out you know you hit it and he's good with both feet and he's in the air as well with Charles we're sitting them players or two and be very effective I don't think Carlo wants to do that because I think he wants to control possession a bit but I think at home sometimes you can change the formation to a 4-1-4-1 so you could have one up front but you got four just behind so you could have Richard Allison and Hamish Rodriguez just behind you could have whoever a little bit wider the core array with Richard Allison as one of the wider players by coming in they've got licence to go where the defence don't want them to go so I think there's opportunities to get Richard Allison a bit more inside so to Dominic Calvert-Lilm for sure because we just add the opportunity for goals and if we improve our goal you know I'll put and keep the defence tight then it's the perfect solution it's more of a headache for the defence but if you've got more threats on the pitch not just Dominic Calvert-Lilm with Richard Allison pushed out wide you've got Richard Allison coming in who do they mark who do they take it is a headache I could see that coming I could see Carlo Ancelotti making some subtle changes to the team give defenders and teams defence his nightmares Definitely and just finally I've come obviously Everton doing well if we get to the summer what areas would you be looking for them to strengthen again because obviously last summer people the Corian who's been fantastic Alan Hamers Ben Goffrey came in and Everton have gone up a level and obviously the improvement of Tom Davis like you've already said what do you think Everton would be looking for this summer to again continue that improvement? I still think Everton need probably another midfielder mobile midfielder because remember we're talking about people and players and a wide man I think a wide man who can beat somebody that is Dominic Calvin will be licking his lips because if you have a wide player who can beat somebody then the defence are compromised and when a cross is coming in whichever side it is he's heading towards goal and the defenders are heading towards their own goal then you're in business and have a striker and I'm most keen he's doing so well at PSG might be some business that Carlo Ancelotti does but if you don't have him then obviously you probably have to go in the transfer market and get another one because somebody who could help Dominic Calvin again it's more threats the more threats Everton have is the more games Everton's going to win Outstanding and absolutely Kev and finally you touched on it before but today Everton have been granted plan and permission by the local city council it's got to go to national government but all the signs are really good that's a big step in Everton's development I think it's a big step and I know there's a lot of work going into getting it to this stage all I could say is congratulations to everybody at the football club who have worked so hard to get it to this position we know it has to go another level up and then it gets rubber stamped but once it gets really done at a local level there shouldn't be much problems at the level above it's a tremendous opportunity for Everton now they've got the right manager which has been a question in the past they're building a team to be proud of which is important I know there's a few steps to go to get the team where it needs to be we've had a few false dawns we've had a few false dawns but with Don Carlo and Big Duncan everybody in the background pushing it in the right direction I'm sure when that stadium is ready and open there'll be a team fitting to grace that pitch and make Evertonians proud I'm sure What a way to finish Thank you so much for taking time out there I know you're absolutely up the ball at the moment but lovely to talk to you and talk about your record finally gone but just part of the club now just part of the club that's it I could sit down in the exclusive club now and watch the games I could chill out a little bit now then it's rolling me out every year probably that's what Carragor wanted to allude to it ended up being a little bit painful to be honest because that was a long time ago before my son was born and now my son's a pro he held his son so How's he doing? How's he doing? He's back on his feet he wants to come back quick but they're having to calm him down a little bit but he wants to come back but he'll be back he'll be fine but what an incredible opportunity for Everton to move into that ground and it's superb I'm proud I'm very proud Sadder days it'll be when we leave Goddus and it is sadly we do need to move to keep the progress going and it will look lovely on the banks of the Royal Blue Mesa that stadium I can't wait to go it's going to be brilliant and fitting for the football club because it is a sign of progress for sure Definitely Kevin Lysian Thank you very much for taking time today No problem guys up the toffees you know that Definitely Big thanks to Kevin there make sure you give the video a thumbs up subscribe if you haven't and if you want more videos join us on Patreon See you later