 There's Holland, and there's the Netherlands. Who are the Dutch? And everyone was like, I don't know. Holland is a part of the Netherlands. It's not the entire country. It's like saying the Midwest isn't all of you. But their interchange, the joke was like, that everyone's like, oh, are we talking about her? There was a joke, Roger. I'm sorry. And facts don't make it any funnier. Explaining the joke always makes it funnier. I think it was George's dad was asking about the chicken and hen. Who's having sex with the chicken? The rooster. They're all, the rooster, they're all. It was like, the rooster's having sex with the chicken or the hen. They're both chickens. It doesn't matter, dad. So, Nate, I don't know if you've been on since we started our innovation, which is discussing rooster sex. No, which is in our Google Doc, Roger has the ability to turn the very top of it yellow, kind of orangey yellow, or red. And the orangey yellow is, hey, we probably should wrap up our conversation and get ready to move on. And the red is, we're out of time on this one. Let's move on to the next thing. Orange typically means you got a minute or less to wrap it up. And then red is, you're done, move. So this is the key behind your incredible exact half hour daily programs. It's all Roger. Yeah. I've noticed it's very good. Precision. Precision. Yeah, yeah, yeah. DTNS instruments, we value precision. That's why we end the quote of Roger at every box. All right, are you guys ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Then let's get off. Oh, did you take that? I'm just gonna hang up. I'm just applying that call. We got work to do. I think I've been saying that to Len when his phone rings for like six years now. I never get tired of it. All right, here we go. Three, two. A Nikola show keeps you in the know. If you'd like to find out more, please go to dailytechnewshow.com slash support and find out how to keep us on the air. Thank you. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, April 20th, 2018 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane. And from the Hack 5 Studio in Oakland, California, I'm Shannon Morse. And from the LA of the Midwest, I'm Len Peralta. That's what they call Cleveland. That's what they call Cleveland. They actually call LA the Cleveland of California. It's amazing. A lot of people don't realize it, right? Also joining us, very happy to have tech journalist at Bloomberg and editor there, Nate Langston joining us. How are you, Nate? I'm very well. Thank you, Tom, very well. How are you? You're looking great this Friday. Yeah, thank you for joining us. I know it's evening where you are on the weekend, no less. So thank you for sharing some of your tadpool-filled weekend with us. My pleasure. I hope it'll be worth it. Nate has a whole big pond full of tadpoles that is calling. I think that term is polywog. I'm sorry, polywogs. I forgot he is a Middle English speaker. Yeah, and I have a giant vivarium full of giant African land snails as well, but that's public for another day. All right, we are going to talk about co-bots. We'll explain what that is, but let's start with a few tech things you should know. Alibaba has bought chip maker, Hwangzo C-Sky Microsystems, a leading supplier of embedded CPU cores for Internet of Things devices. Alibaba said it was showing its commitment to the cloud-based IoT space. And during testimony in defense of the proposed acquisition of Time Warner, AT&T CEO Randall Stevenson mentioned an online TV service launching in the next few weeks. AT&T Watch will cost $15 a month to stream or be free for AT&T wireless subscribers. No word on what channels would be included, but it would not contain any sports. And Sharp announced it will expand sales of its 70-inch 8K TV. It's been on sale to whoever wants an 8K TV in Japan and China, but now Europeans can get it too, and it'll donate LV70X500E is the snappily named television, and it'll set you back 11,199 euros. That's about $13,000 US, delivering sometime by the end of April. Well, let's talk a little more about Apple. Are they having some problems, Shannon? Yeah, I would say they are. So the Wall Street Journal reports that Apple is having problems getting enough OLED displays from LG. An alternative supplier to Samsung for iPhone screens. While it may be true that Apple is cutting its supply orders with LG, it is unclear if this means an overall supply cut for iPhone production or just issues with LG's process. It's certainly issues with LG's process. There's been a lot of stories about LG not being able to get the yields that customers want for these OLED screens. They, Samsung supplies around 80% of them anyway, by most estimates. Nate, I'm curious. I mean, what is your take? Is the stuff about iPhones not selling well just FUD? And that's all this is, is an LG issue, or do you think there's something more here? I think the thing that's important to bear in mind is that phones have become such expensive pieces of equipment that people are hanging on to them for a longer period of time. We saw this with iPads for a different reason, that basically a first and second gen iPad was very, very good for several years. So the upgrade cycle was much less regular. And iPhones have got to this point where we've kind of hit peak iPhone where the new models are good, they're great, and there's certainly big improvements over, the people are quite happy hanging on to them because they now cost a thousand pounds or a thousand dollars for one of these devices. So the fact that people aren't buying them is probably not a reflection of people not being interested in them. It's just a case of, they've got to wait for that cycle to regenerate for them. In which case, this just becomes a sort of pedestrian supply chain story that like, oh, LG's falling behind a little bit on what it can deliver. We'll see if they do better next time around or if Apple's gonna keep relying on Samsung. And just because Apple relies on Samsung doesn't mean Samsung can jack up the price. You know, there's still some pressure because they have LG there. So I think it's overblown what impact this has on iPhone price and iPhone sale. Apple tends to price their stuff whatever they want to price it anyway. It doesn't really matter how much it costs to make. Well, I mean, the fact that Apple and Samsung have beefed over various things over the years, it's the fact that the company would want to diversify its supply chain, manufacturing teams, you know, even if it wasn't like a personal thing is that's been ongoing for years now. Yeah, and it's also one of the reasons why Apple has been trying to bring more of its production in-house because more in-house it can do, whether that's R&D, whether that's, you know, actual manufacturing, you know, the better margins it can get, but also the less reliant on third parties and the supply chain it can be as well, which is, you know, key to keeping their margins high and their output, you know, as good as possible. Let's move on to some Google news that got lots of attention last night. The Verge reports that Google is working on a new messaging feature called chat. It will be the name of Google's Rich Communications Service or RCS messaging option. So it's really more of an update rather than a new protocol altogether. RCS is a standard meant to replace SMS or at least supplanted. Chat will appear in the Android Messages app. In addition, Google is pausing development on its messaging app, Allo. Yeah, nobody's talking about RCS or Android adopting RCS further as a standard. Everyone's talking about Google is getting rid of another messaging platform. How many are they gonna go through? Well, to be honest, as an Android messenger or Android user myself, I never used Allo even though it's available on my Pixel XL. Personally, I don't use any of the Google Messenger options. I stick with Signal, which is encrypted and that's the biggest reason why I stick with Signal. Well, and one of the main complaints at least from people's first reactions to this news was that this is not end to end encrypted. And if Allo is going away and it's like what kind of what's the team doing over at Google that they would particularly know that people who care about those things and these days more than ever, that that would be a real sticking point for something that obviously they're putting so much effort into. It's disappointing to me because I prefer those end to end encrypted options like wire and signal. And given that there are so many competitors in that encrypted marketplace currently, why wouldn't they join that marketplace and why wouldn't they become a competitor? Well, RCS is like SMS in that it doesn't play well with end and encryption. So by implementing RCS as a standard, it makes it more difficult. Whereas iMessage, which is Apple's roll your own can be end and encrypted because Apple made it up with that would be the counter argument there is that because Google's sticking with the standard and putting their weight behind it, it makes it more difficult. And hey, SMS isn't encrypted either. So this isn't a replacement for WhatsApp or Signal. This is a replacement for SMS, which already is an end and encrypted. So if that was your concern, you probably weren't using SMS for those kinds of messages anyway. Right. Germany's Supreme Court has dismissed a case brought by publisher Axel Springer against IO over their product, Adblock Plus. You probably know them better as Adblock, right? The court found Adblock Plus was legal and overturned previous decisions that operating a whitelist was tantamount to unfair competition. Springer intends to take the case to Germany's constitutional court on the grounds that Adblockers violate press freedom by disrupting online media and their financial viability. So Nate, this feels like Springer was trying to say, hey, you can't do something that hurts our bottom line. And the court says, your bottom line isn't a company's concern. You can find other ways to fund yourself. Yeah. And it's been interesting to see the ones who can and that have managed to do that because it's the ones that can't, often the loudest at complaining that it's this fault or it's this fault. And I sometimes think when you look at online advertising, we still haven't really got past, a lot of publications haven't got past that point of extremely intrusive, full screen overlays and flashing banners that sort of feel like relics of the early 2000s and they're still there and they're still demanding attention. And so it's a chicken and egg, isn't it? It's like they won't move away from those until they know they've got a replacement for it but they can't have a replacement for it until enough people see their ads so they can afford to implement one. It's a real sort of cat and mouse situation, right? I mean, how do you feel, Shannon? Where do you fall on ad blocking? Should you never do it? Should you not do it but you should have the legal right to do it or should you totally just do it all the time? It's fine. I am a ad blocker myself, mostly because of security concerns because malvertising is still a thing and there's also the issues of cryptocurrency miners using advertising embedded on websites to steal your CPU usage. So there are those problems currently and we haven't really gotten past those quite yet. So I try to support people in other ways like for example, you're on Patreon and I'm on YouTube, so I have YouTube advertisements turned on like monetization but so I think it's okay to totally block advertisement as long as you're supporting creators in some other way. Yeah, I think I would start arguing for mindful ad blocking. Don't block ads at sites where you know they're good actors and you wanna support them but you should have the right to decide that I think. Well, moving on, Alienware has been showing off a gaming suite, Room 2425 at a Hilton in Panama City. It comes with an Alienware PC, Alienware laptop, a racing seat, Oculus Rift and Xbox One Elite along with immersive lighting that responds to gaming, a 65 inch 4K TV and surround sound for $349 a night. And I have officially decided where I wanna go for my next vacation. When I first heard the story, I was like, wait, they're showing off a new gaming rig at a room at a Hilton in Panama City? No, you stay at this room. Yeah, you experience this fun thing. Yeah, I mean, okay, it's very specific, but hey, if you're in the Panama City area or thinking about going, why not? I think this is- Do they have multiple rooms where they can have like a giant hotel wide LAN party sort of thing? Or is it just like one? That's pretty funny, it's only at room 2425. Yeah, it's just the one room, which unfortunately they gave out the room number so I know that I won't be tweeting from there whenever I stay there. Maybe it's code sort of the way that celebs check into hotels with funny names. It's like, there's no room 2425, let's you know. I'll just say brilliant publicity stunt. It is. Alienware, good job. Kind of sounds like- You do not wanna take a shower in a shower that has a frosted Alienware logo on it. I'm just saying. Even if it had been cleaned thoroughly? Yeah, well, I'm assuming it's cleaned thoroughly. If it's not cleaned thoroughly, that's just- You just have an issue with- Yeah. I just don't want to use it. That's too much. At block that. Everywhere, like on the strip that the toilet has been cleaned, don't need an Alienware logo on it. Well, Shannon, you and I will take a little trip down to Florida. All right, I'm down. During two days of testimony before the US Congress, this month, Senator Lindsey Graham quoted a line from the first page of Facebook's Terms of Service and said, I'm a lawyer and I have no idea what this means, to which Zuck replied, I don't think the average person likely reads that whole document. GDPR is supposed to address all of this confusion in Europe beginning in May and calls for fines as high as 4% of a company's global revenue for violations, which will make it tougher to get away with really long user agreements that people don't read and or understand. Nate Clanson, you just wrote about this for Bloomberg, thought that this would be a nice teen off point for you to explain, how do people feel about this in your neck of the woods and how will this change things, if at all? Well, that's one of the interesting things is that a lot of the conversation around GDPR, which stands for General Data Protection Regulation, they sort of think that because it's been enacted and enforced in Europe, that it only affects European companies and it's completely untrue. It only affects European citizens, but it affects global companies. So companies like Facebook, I mean, any company that has more than 250 employees has to be GDPR compliant and there's a whole load of regulation that goes with it. The issue with this specific to Terms and Conditions and there's an interesting backstory to how this story came about that we've probably not got time for, but ask me about that at some other point. Essentially, you look at a company like PayPal. Okay, if you go into the UK, you go to PayPal's Terms and Conditions in Britain and it's about 60,000 words long today, 60,000. You know, to put that in context, it's longer than the Great Gatsby. It's twice as long as George Orwell's Animal Farm. It's one of the longest- This book right here, Paveria by Tom Merritt, is about 50,000 words long. Yeah, and it would take you at an average speed, even if you understood legalese, it would take you several hours to try and get through this. So part of the problem is, is that when you're signing up to one of these services, you have to give consent for your data to be processed. And often that's just a little check box and fine as long as you've ticked it, a company's legally sound. And the GDPR, you have to give informed consent. So it'll be no defense to say, oh, well, they checked this box. And so they knew what they were signing up for. They knew how the data would be handled because a court can just say, well, yeah, they did, but it was embedded in a 60,000-word document that even a lawyer can't understand. That's not good enough. That's grounds for a complaint being upheld. And it's hopefully gonna change the game across the board. The argument against this in the past was, well, how do you decide? Where is the line between saying it and saying it understandably? How is GDPR phrasing that? How is it making it so that you can clearly say to a court, you have to follow this guideline to decide whether it was clearly stated or not? Well, that's the interesting thing about GDPR is that it's worded in such a way that it's to get people to comply with the spirit of it rather than to try and say, well, this is exactly the precise wording here. So it's up to a court to basically interpret. Well, an average person have understood this. And the answer for loads of these terms of conditions is no, because nobody reads them. The CEO of the world's biggest social network says, in Congress and says, I don't think anyone really reads that document. That won't do. It just simply won't do because if you don't believe people can understand it, then how can they give informed consent? And if they aren't giving informed consent, how can you justify acting commercially with their data in ways that they don't even understand? It won't work anymore. Yeah, I mean, I think we've all been wanting this day to come and why it has taken so long. I don't understand, but terms of service that no one can be reasonably expected to have read because they are as long as a novel can't be enforceable. They just can't be, but they have been for so long. So I hope that this GDPR regulation plus the testimony from Facebook starts to push people into thinking seriously about like, hey, wait a minute, maybe we should all have more reasonable ways of making people aware of what the terms are. I mean, it's not that you shouldn't have terms. It's that your terms shouldn't be easily dismissable and then enforceable because most people don't know what they are. Well, and the next step of this is if a company, a large company like Facebook, for example, is like, oh, okay, we're gonna change some legal things around so that this applies to U.S. terms of service rather than Ireland's terms of service and other companies are able to follow suit and take advantage of loopholes that at least exist right now, then what does that mean? Then how enforceable is GDPR anyway? I mean, this is really frustrates me. Facebook changing people who aren't in Ireland to not be under Ireland's terms of service is not controversial. Nobody should be under Europe's laws except Europeans, but the positive aspect of GDPR is that because it's hard to change your system for just one region, we're going to benefit from the changes anyway because they're gonna happen mechanically. The thing we don't have in the U.S. is the ability to go to court and say, well, hold on, you're not doing it right. A European has to do that. So hopefully we'll actually catch up in the U.S. and come up with our own version of that. Folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines at DailyTechHeadlines.com. You can also get it on the anchor app in the Google Home device or on the Amazon Echo. Makiko Yamazaki of Reuters has a story on collaborative robots or co-bots. A lot of times people complain that all we do is talk about Google, Facebook, Amazon, et cetera. Here's a whole industry that is doing really interesting things with their own titans that you probably haven't heard of and it's going to affect the way industry works. Cobots are smaller than traditional industrial robots. Traditional industrial robot heavyweights like Fanook, F-A-N-U-C, they're the apple of industrial robots. They've got a pile of cash that they're sitting on. Yaskawa is another one. They're trying to catch up now. They've been disrupted because they underestimated the demand for these small lightweight co-bots. Cobots are expected to grow several dozen times in the next decade, not in size, but in like market share. They're seen by many as a solution to labor shortages. We've talked about how there's labor shortages in warehouses and factories. Cobots don't take jobs. They actually help the existing laborers do their job more efficiently. KUKA, a German robotics firm, licensed the tech from the Institute of Robotics and Mechatronics in 2004. That kind of brought it into the mainstream. Denmark's Universal Robots, which has 60% of the global market of co-bots right now, introduced their co-bots in late 2008 in partnership with German automakers. Bosch followed into the market after that. And in Japan, one of the reasons that big companies have been lagging behind there is Japan had standards that prevented robots from being in contact with humans, which meant collaborative robots really weren't very practical. They relaxed those standards back in 2013. So now you've got robots, for instance, Nippon Flower Mills is using a Kawasaki Heavy Industries co-bot to season packaged food for convenience store sale. Shannon, I know you were looking into these and it's fascinating that we're going from the big arm that puts the rivets in the car to robots that are sitting there helping you season food. Yeah, it's totally disruptive. And even from the standpoint of like we used to have a warehouse here at Hack 5 and thinking about how if we grew to the point that we needed to buy this kind of technology, collaborative robots would be the perfect example of something that we could use because not only are they more lightweight and they can handle a lot of the lighter items that we would use around our warehouse, but they are also inexpensive. So a lot of startup companies and a lot of those smaller like mom and pop shops that have warehouses like local warehouses, they would be able to purchase these because they range anywhere between $10,000 to $35,000 or $45,000 as compared to those really big industrial robots which cost over $100,000 easily. And they're so much more safer. So you're not taking away jobs from local citizens that are living next to you. So it sounds like there's a ton of positives. So I'm wondering to myself, are there any negatives to these kind of robots because they seem so disruptive and I feel like we're gonna keep on seeing them getting bigger and bigger. I mean, I think one of the obvious things that people would say as well, but give a human that job, right? There are lots of people out of work, but there are labor shortages and a lot of that has to do with where warehouse is located, are there enough people in the area that can physically come to the warehouse every day, which is something that larger companies like Amazon are trying to figure out, where do you expand? So in that sense, in order to make a company be more efficient with the workers that do work there and can benefit from the fact that the company is successful or growing in success, this makes a lot of sense to me. And in Japan, you've got an aging population. So a lot of times you just don't have the workforce available for certain jobs because of that. There's a whole immigrant labor, not controversy, but conversation I guess happening in Japan around that and co-bots can help fill in the gaps there. I love discovering new arenas like this where you have like an entire new layout of incumbents that are being disrupted by the Danish firm is disrupting the longstanding Japanese robot firm because we sort of get stuck in thinking that everything happens in San Jose and San Francisco. And there's a lot going on in this space that is a wave of technology that is gonna have an effect on you because it's going to make things cheaper. I mean, you guys have been to Japan, right? Yeah. Convenience stores are insane there in the amount of convenient food that they have that's really good. And when I read this about the robot doing the seasoning, I'm like, oh my gosh, that's how they can afford to make that process cheap enough to put all that great food in those convenience stores. You could have a nice meal of an invented machine in the subway. It would end up, if they did it right, it could keep those costs down for consumers. And since there's such a huge demand in consumers, I'm like, that's a win-win for us as well. Yeah. There's another interesting angle to this is when I throw out there because I've been following this for a while now because historically we've had a lot of these kind of co-bots in the automotive industry because they were big and they had huge warehouses. And a lot of the problem was you couldn't get those sorts of things into smaller environments where they could fit and be useful. But it's increased the awareness, I think, that it runs the risk of causing injury to humans. So there's been research done to try and understand how you can teach a robot to know when it's hurting a human being. There've also been studies done to try and teach a robot how to feel pain. And there is like a robot out there. There was a story a while ago, I think, that showed that there was a robot now that existed that could feel pain. The idea being that if a robot was able to predict or sense that it might injuring a human, it could pull away. And that's something that a lot of machines can't necessarily do without just using sensors and just assuming that if there's only one inch of space between a robot and a wall, chances are the human's not exactly healthy. And I think we're gonna see more research on that as we get even closer to working with our robot companions and colleagues. Got a link to a YouTube video from the Hanover Mesa Conference in our show notes where a lot of the people demonstrating these co-bots there were emphasizing, these are soft, these are safe, these are not going to hurt you when they're working alongside of you because that is a huge concern. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and facebook.com. Slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show is there as well. Sarah, what's our thing of the day? A travel tip from Chris Christensen who's giving a little perspective in tech in light of the recent Southwest Airlines engine failure. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another Tech in Travel Minute. A lot of the things with technology and travel are invisible to us until they go wrong, which they did recently on the Southwest flight where someone was killed. This week for me, last week for you, a woman was killed when there was an engine failure and the engine failure blew parts through a portion of the engine that is meant to contain the explosion and direct it away from the passenger compartment and that failed and it blew out a window and a passenger was stuck partway out and killed as you have no doubt heard. But the reason I bring it up is there were a lot of things that went wrong that normally go right. Obviously normally the engines don't fail and normally when they do fail, they're contained by this design of the engine. And those didn't used to be the case. Engines used to fail more often and when they did fail, they caused more problems. But of course the NTSB investigates when something goes wrong in airline manufacturers and airline laws and things are refined and improved so much so that this was the first death in commercial aviation in the US in nine years, which is pretty amazing. But I thought about that as we were thinking about some of the things that are going on right now with the automated cars as well. Hopefully we'll get through some of the accidents that have happened in those cases as well and continue to improve it and continue to get to the place where it brings more safety as we get better and better. I'm Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. Thank you, Chris. It's good perspective on that and a really interesting connection to the situation with autonomous cars. All right, let's check the mailbag, Sarah. Andrew, the keen archeologist actually has some good news. Let's lighten it up a little bit. He says, how to scan Edison cylinders? This is in response to Alice and Sheridan writing in yesterday, we talked about, what do you do with these old recordings that are fragile and where do you digitize them and can you digitize them? He says, the Library of Congress actually has a device to scan and digitize these old recordings at the waveform level called Irene. In fact, you can get in touch with them at Irene.lbl.gov. He says, of course, they're really fragile. I'd watch the clip of one being dropped on tech TV before. I let one out of my possession, which is funny because I completely forgotten about that, but now I know exactly which segment you're talking about. He links us to a YouTube video and then another Atlantic article on the device. Says, the thing is, is the Edison cylinders are harder to scan than a flat record. There's a lot of reasons for that. I'm aware of this project because there are a lot of recordings of indigenous languages that no longer have any living speakers on these Edison cylinders. He's an archeologist after all, would be cool if you could shout out some techie archeological research. And we will, that's amazing. And the best part is, not only did the archeologist in our audience, which I love being able to say, email us about this, but just within the past hour, Peter wrote in and said, I work for the Library of Congress on the Irene project. I was scanning some Edison cylinders and it was so nice to hear you speak about the technology that I'm using. So I made sure to forward that to Allison as well. Thank you, Peter, not only for writing in and listening to the show, but for the work you're doing at the Library of Congress. I won't use your last name because I know you don't speak or represent the Library of Congress. But that's fantastic. I'm very happy to hear from folks in the audience who, these are great tips and great work that's being done. So we're forwarding all of this to Allison to help her out. All right, let's check in with Len Peralta before we finish up here. Len, what have you been illustrating? Well, you know, I wanted to do something that was sort of a mash-up of both the main topic and today being 420 Day, which those in the know know what 420 Day is. Everyone knows what it is. Exactly. I'm just, you know, I'm not assuming anything about it, like your audience. But of course, I wanted to talk about robots, co-bots, and of course, the 420 Go With The Flow Bot. And you can check. You can see what that guy's got a 420 hat on. It's pretty, it's pretty interesting. I think that's... He's saying, you know, he's kind of a belly shirt. He's a robot with a lot of dreadlocks. He's had, he's lived his best life. He's going with the flow, you know what I'm saying? It's 420. Yeah, you can pick this up at my online store. And by the way, you can also go to my online store and commission me if you like the kind of stuff that I do because that'd be perfect for different events coming up this spring. Go with the flow right over to LenPeraltaStore.com and commission Len. Yeah, he's there. He's just chilling waiting for you. Thank you, Nate Langston again for joining us and for writing up that story for Bloomberg and sharing your thoughts with us. We always hear from you, usually like Mondays or Tuesdays about what's happening on your show, text message. Yeah, so I'm not going to waste time here plugging that because I'll just get a plug that next week anyway. But no, you can find my, you know, right for Bloomberg.com and Business Week as well. So that's where my feature was this week. And actually earlier this week, I met up with Christopher Wiley, the whistleblower behind the Cambridge Analytica scandal. So I'm going to have a piece out next week about some of the stuff that we talked about. So look out for that. Follow me on Twitter. It's probably the easiest way to find that stuff at Nate Langston. And of course, if you want to keep up on security and gadgets and hardware, you got to check out hack5.org and techthing.tekinhing.com with Shannon Morse. Absolutely, we just reviewed this ridiculous thing called the grillbot. And I definitely drew blood while I was reviewing it because it has brass scrubbers for your grill. It's the most ridiculous thing. So check it out on techthing.com. And of course with hack5, we've been doing a whole series, an animated series about DNS and talking about how Cloudflare is actually faster and how it's more secure. So if you're interested in learning more about that with a little educational series, definitely check it out. Excellent. Thank you folks for supporting us on Patreon. And right now, we're six more patrons than we had last month. We want to keep that going. We will do something to celebrate it. I'm thinking right now it involves minutes and a tarantula, but no promises. Patreon.com slash DTNS. Our email address is feedbackanddailytechnewshow.com. And by the way, thank you for all the suggestions on what Tom should or should not do in order to reach our goal. It's been fun and enlightening to learn a little bit more about what you guys are capable of doing. We're live Monday through Friday at 4.30 p.m. Eastern, 2030 UTC. And you can find out more at dalteknewshow.com slash live. Monday with Justin, Robert Young. Dr. Yvan. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Garmin Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. So there is a pet store that has tarantulas right over here in Santa Monica. Nope. That's a no from me, dog. That's gonna be a hard no. Would you hold a camera? Nope. Sarah. Would I what? Would you hold the camera in the same room while one crawled on my arm? Yeah, because there's Zoom. Because there's Zoom. All right, we'll work out the details. Same room. I don't have to be near you. Just a solid optical Zoom, you know? I can be in the same room as a tarantula, but I don't want to touch it. Really? Not me. Heck no. I don't want to. That doesn't sound good. It's like an eight-legged dog. Oh, I wish I was an eight-legged dog. Oh, God. Nightmares. I apologize. You should. That might be what we do. I'm still not making any promises, but that might be it. What are we gonna call this episode? My Cobot Buddy. Oh, I like that. You know, I like to, like, yeah, my Cobot Buddy. Or Cobots, the Skynet for Softies. That's funny. I like my Cobot Buddy. I do too. I like my Cobot Buddy. Tan! Just reminds me of that old film Short Circuit. Oh yeah, Johnny Five. Johnny Five. I just, you know, that in my head, that's what I want all future Cobots to be like. Just little Johnny Fives. Not even little Johnny Fives. Just full-sized Johnny Fives. Johnny Five is alive. Johnny Five is alive. Yeah. It's that funny. True story. When I visited the armory back when it was still doing King.com, still home to King.com, they actually had a Johnny Five robot built by the guy who built it for the show. Now the thing is, it was redesigned for adult entertainment. So it had a couple of modifications. Bo's the same robot. Oh my. I feel offended. That sounds like some anime stuff. Yeah. It's kinky at kink.com. Is there a name for that? I didn't know. Should I just wanted them to turn it on, but they said it was dead and didn't have power. Yeah, that's just wrong. Cause my little brother who's seven years younger than me was a huge fan of Johnny Five. Like, loved that movie. Yeah. Then they came out of Short Circuit too, which was terrible. Yeah. I liked it actually, because I thought Johnny Five had more character in it, but it had numerous faults, which won't go into, but you probably know what they all are. But I still think it was a good film. Oh, by the way, I wanted to show this on the video, on the YouTube video. I'm part way through constructing my first labo, Nintendo's cardboard thingy. So cool. That's cool. This is the piano. This will eventually be the piano. It takes a while. I picked the wrong one. I should have picked one that took shorter time so I could demonstrate it. This one's gonna take me another half hour to an hour probably, but I've got the little lever here works. It's got the little rubber band in there. And I have to say the instructions on the Nintendo itself in the app are fantastic. They did a great job with that. Like it's super simple to follow. I can't wait to see. You should post a video about it. I should. It's more fun to just do it. Do a time-lapse. Oh, I did make, this is the demonstration one is you make a little holder for your Joy-Con. Oh, cute. So I made that. That's just to kind of get you used to how it works. How to fold cardboard. The perforations are great. Like they're really, really hard to mess up. They're really easy to follow. That's a really wonderfully geeky thing to be able to say. That you're really impressed by the perforations in a product. The perforations are just marvelous. I would say it's geeky. I think it's like it's so convenient, but when they don't work, they're the most irritating thing, especially when it comes to forms that they don't actually put enough teeth in it. And you just end up ripping the paper right above it. Ah, that's annoying. So see, they do, they kind of give you an animation on the switch screen. Oh, nice. That shows you what you're supposed to be doing as you put everything together and all that. Does it score you as you put it together so you can do it a good job? No, it's just instructions. And as soon as you let off, it stops. So if you're like, oh, wait, I need to figure out where that tab goes. You can just let go and it pauses right there. As you might expect from Nintendo, very well designed. That's so cool. Well done. Right, I'm gonna go to bed. All right, thanks for staying up. Why? Why is it later? Yeah, well, it's not that late, but I've been up since about. I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. Thanks for being here, Nate. It's so good to see you again. Yeah, you too, Sarah. It's been a lot of fun. And hi, Shannon. We've not talked before. I love the new studio, by the way. It looks awesome. Oh, thank you. I liked your time lapse, in fact, that you did. Oh, thanks. Thank you so much. Yeah, it was a hard, hard work, but I did it. Had you two not met before? I'm so sorry, I didn't even realize. I think we've been on a show previously before. Maybe. Very long time ago. But yeah, it's nice to meet you again. Hey, same, same. Okay, right, I'm gonna go. Thanks, guys. Bye, Nate. Have a good weekend. Bye. See you. Yeah, I'm gonna log off, too, because I got to. All right. Hard out. Hard out, you're right. Actually, thanks for reminding that. All right, thanks, Len. Bye, bye. Good work. Go buy Len stuff, commission him. Yes, please do. Thank you. Do it. Bye. Do it now, don't wait. Go Cavs. Go Cavs. Ah, what? No. Yeah. What if you made me die, or what? Some serious sports balling going on over here. I know. So the, you know, the joke that Len and I have is that Cleveland Cavaliers, which is his team and the Golden State Warriors, which is my team, have been in the finals three years in a row and have ping-ponged wins. So neither of those teams might be in the finals this year, but they also might be hard to say. But, you know, now we're like rivals, but we're not really. Uh-oh. Yeah, fight. This is what Lakers and Celtics fans felt like for a while. Exactly. Yeah, right. It's the two best teams and, you know, the rest of the country is like, so boring. And we're like, you know, but it doesn't really. I actually like the Cavaliers. I don't have an issue with anybody. And I like LeBron James quite a bit. You know, it's funny when I was growing up, it was Steelers and Cowboys, Yankees and Dodgers, and Lakers and Celtics. That was what the championship was expected to be every year for those three sports. Wake me up when y'all start talking about tech again. And I have a program baseball on my Commodore 64. Oh, did you say Commodore 64? Yes, I did. Have y'all heard of Denise Williams, a singer from the 80s? Oh, yeah. I'm gonna go see her next weekend in a concert. Oh, nice. And I don't know if I've ever heard her music before because I was born in the 80s. You might have heard it in a department store or like a shopping center. Oh, okay. Because hers, her song is one of those that was poppy enough that it gets. Yeah, let's hear it for the boy from the Footloose set. Let's hear it for the boy. Okay, cool. You made Roger sing. I love that song. When she sang it on SNL, it sucked, though. Well, it sounds fun, so I'm gonna get introduced to a music. How did you get roped into this? You know Dale Chase? Yeah. Of course. He asked me if I wanted to go and I was like, yes, sure. Why not? He is the child of the 80s. He's a Denise Williams fan? He is. Like old school hip hop and old school pop and stuff like that. Yeah. That's great. Right down his alley. We need to get him on the show when we talk music next time. You know what? I was putting together an 80s playlist for myself of songs that I remember liking off the cassettes that I used to listen to, but I never hear anymore. And I failed to include the Footloose soundtrack. I gotta go look and see because let's hear it for the boy. Well, you gotta start all over again now. Oh no, I just add to it. Oh, let's start over. Thank goodness. Nope, gotta start all over again. I just got Dynum burning all of my blue rays to via what was it called? One of those like open source software programs so that I can back them all up. Like, oh, finally. So now I can do a Plex server. Yay. We did a big long digitization thing a few years back for music. Oh my gosh. It takes months to back up all those files, but man, it's worth it though. I've been able to like clear out all these old DVDs and I was just like donating so many of them. It's like, oh, finally, finally. We took the CDs out of their jewel case, but Eileen was like, I don't wanna get rid of them. Let's keep them as a backup. So now we have them in albums, but they just sit gathering dust. I have a bunch of those. I'm keeping my CDs. Yeah. I'm just like, but they're ripped to a hard drive and that hard drive is backed up. So it's already backed up. You don't really need the CDs. You need a backup of your backup. I buy the CDs because it's actually cheaper in many cases than buying the digital. Well, that's different than what I'm talking about though. That's buying new music and that makes sense. Also, if I'm overseas, there's a lot of times that like, anime music isn't available online for us. So I'll have to buy it overseas and then I've earned myself a little disc, or MP3 player. But once you've burned it and backed it up and you feel confident, do you still need the actual disc? Yeah, because then I feel like I did something wrong by basically like, oh, it depends. Like, am I trying to sell off the disc or just give them to someone? No, just good, good. Just let it. I don't resell it. Just get rid of it. I don't care how. I just do them or I gift them to somebody else or if it's like a Sailor Moon album, I'll keep it because I collect those items. I keep them because they remind me at the various levels of my growth into adulthood. Oh, that's easily. So I'll have the stage between 25 and 35 and then 35 to 40. And then nobody. Your volume just went real low for some reason. Did it? Yeah. It went real low. It was like leading away or something. Is it low now? No, that's better. That's better. We just want to hear you. Can you hear me? Is it me that you're looking for? Hello. We found you. All right, all right. No more light or itchy references. So the chat room, the IRC chat room is very fixated on us talking about food in every post-show. Fixated in the sense of they'd want that? Well, they bring it up whenever we're talking about it. I'm down with talking about food. Can we talk about being a possible burger? I've been wanting to have that. It's the meat-free, beefy dish burger. Yeah, I just tried it for the first time ever. I'm a meat. I am a freaking carnivore. And so is my husband. So we eat a lot of meat. But yeah, I tried the impossible burger at a restaurant here in Oakland. It's called Umami burger. Yeah, yeah. It's a well-made burger. They say like, oh, it tastes like meat. It does not taste like meat at all. They have one at the Fat Burger over here. They have the impossible burger. And I've been meaning to go try it. Every time I do, every time I say I want to go do it, Eileen's like, I'm like, you can get a regular burger. You don't have to get the impossible burger. But the fact that I'm going to get it just defends her sense of- I'm not a beef. I decided to try it because it was free. And I was like, OK, I'll do it just this once. And it was good. It still tasted good. But it didn't taste like- It's different. It did taste like beef. It was different. I haven't had one. And I actually, I am not much of a beef eater. But I do like burgers, specifically a certain kind of burger. I will draw everyone's wrath. As I've gotten older, I actually like burgers less. Well, that's not going to draw my wrath. It's more for me. Like, I used to eat a lot of burgers as a kid. But as controversial as I've gotten older, it's just like the taste of it. You imagine, ah, I realize you like burgers less. The taste of red meat is not as appealing now as I get older than it was. You've always been against red meat. But a lot of my peers who are, you know, they are beef- Efficianados? Yes. Or, you know, sort of enthusiasts, have tried the Impossible Burger at various places and say, yeah, it's not exactly the same. Like, it's not going to fool you, but it's pretty good. To me, it's like, OK, well, that sounds good enough to me. I mean, that's like almond milk. It's like, I mean, if you like it, you like it. It's not the same. I went into it knowing that it was not meat, but people told me that it tasted like meat. So I thought when I bit into it that it would taste like meat. It doesn't taste like meat. It tastes like, like, I don't know, well done something or another. It's just, it's very strange. It's a taste that really depends on what you know. Does it taste processed? No, it doesn't taste processed. It tastes very healthy. Well, because it has a hemoglobin type element that's used to make it bleed. And so that it has the iron content that actual meat has. And that's supposed to give it the umami flavor that's similar to real meat. But you're saying that it definitely appears as something to you, but not necessarily meat. Yeah, exactly. It was just a little bit off, but it was an appetizing off. And I ate my hamburger, so I can definitely say that I enjoyed it. I just, I wouldn't go into it expecting it for it to taste like a regular, like, medium rare or medium burger, because it doesn't. Talking about it does qualify as talking about food. Cool. Awesome. We should have accomplished. We'll see you everyone Monday. Have a great weekend, everybody. We'll be back with Justin Robert Young. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.