 Hello, this is Mike Barsch. Hey, Mike Barsch. Yeah, I see Balsch as well. Lots of candidates. OK, I would suggest that it's one minute past. And I think I see at least all the candidates that suggested that they would definitely have time today joining. But maybe we get one or two more who are not sure whether they can make it over the course of the two hours. So first of all, welcome, everyone. In particular, all the candidates. Thanks so much for making the time on short notice. Apologies. That was a little bit chaotic from the planning. So even more appreciated that you made this possible. We will have recording. So if you don't want to be recorded with video or voice, just type your questions in the chat. But we will make this recording at least available to the TDF members, but presumably also public. So I suggest then we start with a little bit of introduction. So maybe if each candidate could spend some five minutes introducing herself or himself. And then we move on with questions. So let me just call. And that's not necessarily an order of appearance. It's just how people are appearing on my jitzi here. And the first one in the top row for me is Marina. So if you'd like to start. OK. So first of all, thanks for organizing the sessions. It's always nice to have the opportunity to directly interact with our community. So thanks again. And also thanks for being a passion. And I was a bit complaining on some things on the organization. But yeah, thanks also for that. Then what can I say about me? Well, I'm involved in the LibreOffice project definitely from open office time. So as really often happens, I started to contribute because I was at the university. I was using open office at the time. So I was doing some triage of bugs and some translations to Italian for open office. And this is how everything started. Then later I was involved in this kind of fork of open office that was open office for kids. And there I met a bit more, let's say, closer to Austin. And yeah, when there was the time of the fork, I was definitely happy to move to this new independent home for our project. So together with other members of the Italian community, we moved our focus from open office to LibreOffice. And always around those times, we also made the Italian home of LibreOffice a bit more formal with the creation of LibreItalia, that is the legal entity that we have in Italy for, let's say, trying to have a similar structure to what we have at TDF directly in the international role. Apart from that, I was previously part of the board, but in the last term and I'm trying also in this one, I would like to focus more on the membership committee and the activities for bridging a bit more what is the engagement that we could try to achieve between the local communities and the international project. But maybe I can leave that later for other questions and other details. As Uwe was asking, I don't know if I need to make breaks for a translation, so just let me know, Torsten, what you prefer for this? Maybe a question for, I think, Naruhiko, would you be there for translation? I see no one from the other than that, no one from the Japanese community. So I would leave that to you. Or Sophie, you had some input? Shouldn't make no voice there, also. Oh, yeah, sorry for that. So maybe let's take a moment then to translate, if you think that makes sense, because we will have the recording so that that could make sense then to have that summary translation now. OK, I'm Naruhiko. I know I'm not a great translator, but I do my best anyway. So now, I'm introducing myself as Marina T. D. San, from the time of OpenOffice, I'm working in the community. As a big part of it, I'm working as an Italian NPO in the community. Sorry, I'm going to say this first, my head hurts a lot today, so I can't concentrate much, so I don't have much time left to translate. Well, for now, I've summarized too short, but... No, it's OK. It's perfectly fine. Thanks a lot, Naruhiko. So the last thing I would like to add about myself is that currently, I'm working at SUSE, so my job currently is not related anymore to LibreOffice, but I think it's important to mention in any case that I'm working at SUSE as an affiliation, and apart from that, in the past, I also... I mean, until my job at SUSE, I was always working in companies that are doing business around LibreOffice, so I think that's what I can bring also in the DMC. It's also the point of view of... Again, it's a kind of bridge between the point of view that contributors can have when they are coming from directly the ecosystem or, let's say, complete volunteers that are doing contributions or that are willing to contribute to the project just because they like it and they want to do it as a volunteer. And I think that my five minutes should be ended, so back to Torsten. Let's say Naruhiko, maybe for some quick translation, and then we'll go for the next one. Well, as I said earlier, Marina-san is currently working at SUSE, the digital distributor of Linux Distribution. Well, what is it? Well, of course, SUSE itself is working in LibreOffice, so I think that's what I'm talking about. Also, in other words, I think it's important for the members to contribute to the project, and I think that's what I'm talking about. Okay. Okay, thanks for that. So... Oops, there goes the camera. So the next candidate in my list would then be Shinji. If you would give us some quick introduction of yourself, and if you like, translate yourself. I believe that to you. Okay, hello. So I'm Shinji Noki, and I'm from Japan, and I first joined the community in OpenOfice era, so 2008, and after starting LibreOffice, so I will move to LibreOffice, and I usually interview organized events in Japan. Also, now, sometimes translating and QA or ask, and so the last two years, I joined the membership committee. Yeah, and my job is freelance and LibreOffice support. And so usually, so I will try, I try to LibreOffice support business, building the business, and marketing or sales or support everything without coding. Yeah, so, and so I sometimes other contribute, the other open source committee or open data committee here, but so my main focus is LibreOffice. Okay, so it's okay. Yeah, thank you a lot, Shinji, and if you like, translate yourself. Ah, okay. Meguro-san, should I speak in Japanese? If you're in Japan, why do you think it's better to speak in Japanese? Yeah, that's right, but I think Meguro-san I don't have anyone to translate in Japanese, so I'll speak in Japanese. I'm Shinji Enochi. I've been active since I was in the open office for 2008. So, mainly, after I got LibreOffice, I moved to LibreOffice. I've been active mostly in events and stuff, but sometimes I do QA, I do homework, and I also do a mask. And for the past two years, I've been active in the VASIP committee's DUPTY. And I've also been active in the open source committee other than LibreOffice. Also, I've been active in the open data. That's why LibreOffice is the most important part of my work. That's it. That's it. Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much. And with that, we move to, according to my list here, Uwe would be the next candidate if you want to say a few words. OK, but really just a few words. So, as Marina, I met the project about 15 or 20 years ago when it was open office and it became turning out that if you work on a Macintosh, I'm at least times have been using Apple computers until now as one of the operating systems I'm working with. And so I came to open office and engaged in the German community then. We made four years, we had the booth at the Z-Bit, which is the world's greatest computer fair so far, until it's end. And when things shifted to LibreOffice, I remember I was in Nepal in a hotel when I got the news that the foundation was found. And I came to LibreOffice first just for the current working within the German community, doing some QA for Mac and representing LibreOffice at local fairs like Frostcombe and these things. And a little bit later it came to be for me more working for the foundation as the GDPR. I don't know if it's well known in Germany. This is the European Data Protection Law which is well recognized as one of the most strengths and most non-permissive data protection laws. And there was to do a lot for the foundation to comply with these new rules and this was a project I did. And after that I was more involved in the governance of the TDF. And then it came to be for me, it came to engage me more in EMC because there was also some issues related to data protection with the formal tooling of EMC which we discussed years ago. And so it came, I was engaged more for the EMC, did a candidate for the EMC two years ago and was elected as, as, sorry, my English isn't that good. And did my, most of my job in the last three years was except of the normal actions as an EMC member to develop a new tooling for the EMC which is quite just close to the end of going productive. But I don't know if you can manage it in this term. And so this was one of the reasons I do a candidate for the next term to be honest because I want to finish my work there. Okay, as you may also have seen, I'm very interested to integrate more of the local communities because in the former times when I was more engaged in the German community, there was, I perceived that there is a real great gap between the local communities doing their work. And at the other hand, some over the cloud, TDF doing the infrastructure and everything. And there's a little communication. So it's a really great thing, Marina, that started the EMC to work more on integrating the local communities into the big thing, let's say. And so I try to help where I can by being in those town hall meetings present. Okay, that's full. I think that's enough for the starting. Thanks a lot, Uwe, and now we have quite a lot of material and I'm sorry, it must be quite a challenge. Thanks so much for translating. Thank you. Mr. Alkmaar is a German community member. And I heard that Apple has been using Apple computers for a long time. And it's been active since the time of the office. And it's been active in the German community. For example, it's been doing things like helping people out on the map. So now I'm in the EMC membership committee. And there's a distance between TDF and the local community. So I'm interested in doing something about that distance. Thank you very much. Then let's move on. I think the next candidate looking at my list would be Balashvarga, if you would introduce yourself. Oh, okay. So hello everyone. I hope you can hear me well. There was a mission with the connection. So my name is Balashvarga. I live in Budapest. I started to work in the office since 2017. I work at the government and last name it. We worked for the Hungarian government and we worked a lot on interoperability issues. Mostly worked on Cog Impress and some writer issues. Most of my work is related to developing chart and Cog. I created new features. These modules, I fixed a lot of bugs. And there are some optimizing in these modules. I used to work in many other companies before. Working on the office. I also graduated as a software developer, software engineer. At the moment I'm working for Alotropia, which is a really great place to work there. By the way, I would like to be more involved in the community stuff. And I would like to be more helpful in the community developing. I think this is the main reason why I would like to be in this community. So short in turn, that's all. Back to Torsten. Thanks a lot Balash and Naruhiko if you want to translate. Balash-san, I'm sorry, I didn't hear you very well. I was just telling you that there are some people who are working on the office. But I think I was telling you that I would like to do something open to the community. I'm sorry, my concentration is a little off. I didn't do a good job. That's all. Thank you. Thank you so much. And then the next candidate would be Miklos Weiner. If you want to introduce yourself. I'm afraid that's me. So probably if you already know me a bit. I got involved with open office or development in 2010. I did two GSOX projects around writer, RTF, and then later I became a full-timer at SUSA. I'm a contractor at Kolibora. I was in the MC in between 2016 and 2017 term and then I got reelected. But both of us, Yona and myself was from Kolibora. So we decided that it's better if Yona stays there. So that's how I quit there. And I went back to what I was doing before. Like hacking on LibroFace and contributing features and fixes mostly around writer and elsewhere. And similarly, when I was running for a seat in 2016, I would like to be part of the MC because I think it's important that every aspect of the community is represented. The community including developers. So given my background, I'm happy to have the work of the community from that aspect and also to take all of our clients. I think that's most late. Thanks a lot, Miklos. And Naruhiko, if you want to translate. Yes. Miklos Banja has been working in LibroFace for a number of years. And he's been working as a full-time LibroFace committer in Kolibora. And he's been doing a lot of development in various areas. Of course, community and distance are important. And I think that's what makes me a better MC than developers. So I'm happy to be part of the community from the perspective of the developers. Thank you. Thank you very much. And then we would have, last but not least, clearly, Gustavo, who's also joined. If you would like to introduce yourself in a few words. Hello all. First of all, sorry for my delay. I was took my son to school. So I spent a little bit of time with this task. Well, I'm Gustavo. I'm from Brazil. Now I'm working at the electoral court here in Brazil. And I spend my collaborative time mainly in two big areas. The membership committee in my third term there. And to improve our Latin American community. And as you know, I work to improve the relations between among the members and also with the whole community, trying to involve them with the project and with TDF as organization. The last two years was difficult for us, but I think we build a great path and we have a great future here in the next years. I hope in the next term in the membership committee we can spread our experience among the other local communities and help the project and the organization to grow up. Inside the membership committee, I would like to share my experience in the process in a great moment for the membership committee. That is the change of the current script to another tool, the Proteus. Thanks to our colleagues help that support and helps this initiative, mainly UVI, and work to improve our community in a whole vision. And now, thanks to another members of the membership committee, the current members like Marina Gabrieli, Ahman Shinji, that was done a great job. So that is it. Thank you very much, Gustavo and Naruhiko for one last translation. Gustavo and Naruhiko are participating in the Brazilian community. As a member of the membership committee, we have been working here for several years. And now, with the members of the TGF, the organization called TGF自身, we are a little nervous, but we have been working on it for the past few years. And in the membership committee, for example, we have written scripts for counting the number of votes, and in Latin American community, in Brazil, we have been working on the activities of the Latin American community and global activities. That is it. Thank you. Thank you very much. So that concludes the candidate introduction. I hope I didn't skip anyone. So the next part would be actual questions. So if there is any question from the audience, perhaps if you could ask that question, we would ask Naruhiko again for translation, and then we would ask each candidate to answer. If you could keep your answer then perhaps to one or two minutes, so we can put more questions in today. So are there any questions from this? Otherwise, we have some questions prepared, so fear not that we would run out of things to talk about. Just speak or raise your hand or type your question in the chat. If you have any questions, you can directly talk to us. You can also press the button to raise your hand. Any questions? Okay, then let's wait a second. One question from Paolo from the Board of Directors. And the question is, have you all read and understood the conflict of interest policy where there was one specific to the membership committee? In which of the shall we reply? I don't know, Naruhiko, would you like to translate or should we just translate because I mean it's in English here in the chat. Okay, so to give you a call policy, the collision of interest or the outside relations are common. There is a policy for the time period, but have you read or understood it? Thank you. So then we would have the same order as before. So Marina, if you would like to start. So for the conflict of interest policy, I can say that I know it quite well because I'm one of the parts that was inside the membership committee working on it and preparing the initial version that we accepted as a membership committee before ending it over to the to the board for adopting a similar policy to of course we needed changes for making it working also with what concern on their duty that's in some aspects of course different from what the MC is bounded to. So I would say that shortly replied to that question, yes, I read it, I wrote it and I understood the CUI policy quite well. So I will do everything I can for following what is specified in the policy during my work. Thanks Marina. Well, if I make an order, well, in the first place, one of the members who wrote the corp policy is Marina and of course, I read it and understood it as well. Thank you. Thank you very much Naruhiko and the next one would be Shinji, that question. Yeah, I read it and so review it. Maybe I think so, it's understood at this basis. Yeah, and so this is important so that's cool. And want to translate yourself or? Ah, okay. Yes, so I read the policy, well, I read it because I participated in the review, and I thought I could understand it. Yes, well, I think the policy itself is very important. Hi, thank you. Thank you very much. And the next one in the list would be Uwe on that question. Yes, of course, because we discussed this first in the membership committee, and there was some discussion on this really. And of course, I've read that and I hope I understood it. It's in some terms, it's a little bit complex, but I think it's the best try we can have to grasp the rather fluid thing. So yes, and I don't think I ever will come in conflict because I'm working hard on my retirement. So the only one I'm representing is myself there. Thank you. Thank you, Uwe. Thank you. Yes, I also read this policy a couple of days ago, and I hope that I understand everything well. So when I agree with it, I will try to keep on that. So yeah, I read it. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you. Yes, I understand it. Well, that's all I can say. Yes, that's all. Thank you. Thank you, Naruhiko. And the next one would be Mitlosh on that question. So the introduction of this conflict of interest policy did not really happen overnight, nor silently. So yes, I read that. And I think everyone who is actively following the board discusses was very much aware of its introduction. And like in general, I think both TVF and Askolov around LeBrophis to succeed, and that sounds quite similar ago. So I'm not really sure about that. Thank you, Mitlosh. Yes, thank you. Thank you, Naruhiko. And then next one, Gustavo on that question. Yes, I read the policy and I agree. And let's see how it will run inside the membership committee. We have operational tasks and decisions about the members, the applications, that are simplest than those of the board, for example. But I think it will be a nice reference. It's a step ahead for us. Cool. Thank you, Gustavo. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Naruhiko. And do we have another candidate who's joined? I'm afraid I can't read Arabic script, but there's a new participant. Amar, is that you? Okay. So then let's ask for, oh yeah, there's another question from Paulo. I wonder if we should have somebody else. If somebody else has a question. So that's not just one person asking, but of course, if there's no other questions, we can continue. So please do ask your question if you have it or type it in the chat. Okay. So then the next question from the audience would be if you're all aware that by being part of a foundation body, which is like formal statute, listed statute, mandated thing in the foundation, that you're also bound by so-called fiduciary duties. So you have to decide for the best of the foundation broadly translated. And whether you are aware of that duty and whether you thought about that, is that a proper summary of your question? Take that as a yes. Sorry. Okay. So Naruhiko, if you want to translate that. What? Okay. Thank you. And then let's start the whole round again, starting with Marina. Okay. So what? You're asking the question, giving us the answer. Thanks. No, jokes apart. Yes. I mean, we are a member of one of the official body of the foundation. So we are bound to the statute to also what is connected to that that is coming from, let's say, the German charity laws because TDF is based in Berlin as a legal entity. So yes, definitely. When we are taking decisions, we should always act in the best interest of TDF, keeping in mind if we need to disclose any relevant information that can also come from what we have from the ECOI policy. So in general, I'm well aware of this kind of fiduciary duties, as they are, according to the legal speaking. Is that a follow-up question for me, Kor? Sorry. Yeah, I would think it's not specifically for you, Marina, but in general, because of course it's the whole constitution in which we operate. But I would not expect that it's very on the top of the things that you are concerned of in your work as MC, in general. Well, in general, I think that being part of one of the bodies is also this. It implies that we need to follow the rules, in particular, if those rules are not just some common agreement that we made just between us. But it's something more that it's even binding us from a legal point of view. So the decisions that we are normally taking as MC members are more related to the membership and to the evaluation that we are making when we are getting renewal requests or new obligations. But the way to work on these should always follow this kind of approach. We can't simply accept everyone for the sickness of claiming we have one million of TDF members or members of the Board of Trustees. We need to evaluate what are the contributions. We need to follow what our status is asking us to consider as valid contributions. Okay, yeah, thanks. Thanks. Yeah, thank you, Marina, and let's have the final hit for time for some translation. Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much, Noriko. And next up, I have a question for you. Thank you. Thank you very much, Noriko. And next one in line with Dushinji on the questions. Okay, so yeah, this is so difficult to understand, but I understand. So yes, I, this is, I agree, and it's not a special or TDF-cooled policy. So many organizations, so, so many other policies, yeah, I think. And this question, I don't know, I don't understand, sorry. Yeah, I think it's just sort of for clarification, it's just some, like I think the summary from Marina is that it's like maybe not touching, usually touching day-to-day operations. And if you operate like with, like, the best of TDF in mind, that would be my summary. And then, as you say, you are aware of that. Want to translate yourself? Okay, okay. Thank you. Thank you very much, Shinji. And next one in line is Uwe, like, you're the resident expert on charitable loan here, aren't you? This is one of the three or four answers I could give to this question from the specialized, it happens that I'm a little bit experienced in those um, those legal questions concerning charities because it was half of my life I worked for for number, number of them in, in, in, as an executive. But what is worrying more is that it is, let's say, those duties are, for me, a matter of course. It is self-understanding. It's, it's quite normal to keep, to keep them and what is worrying me that we have to talk on this. And maybe there's good reason to do so, but this is, it's, it's a, it's a sign for me that the TDF is not in the best composition as it could be. So maybe we should really talk on this, but maybe this is not the right place to do it. To answer your question directly, of course I know that. And of course, I'm, I'm really aware that and as at last in my, in my feeling as every other member of this body, we do to try to do our best on this. Our, uh, how to say, let me look in the dictionary. Our, our margins in between we can, we can decide are not, are really tight. There is not, not much, uh, much we can, we can really, we are not that free in making our decision because our, um, statutes are really free on this. And the rest of that, what the MC has to do is more or less not regulated by statutes at all, but it is an extra work that we, or some of us, decide to do, uh, because it seems to be necessary or to at least to be a good idea for the community and all the TDF, but it is not ruled by the statutes. And so it is maybe not, not that applicable for your position. I could tell a lot more on this, but I think that we're not. Thank you, Uwe. And Naruhiko, if you want to translate. Yes. Thank you very much. Naruhiko. Um, next one. Thank you. Thank you very much. Naruhiko. Um, yes, uh, I understand. And I will try my best to fulfill my obligations, make the decisions when it is needed, um, besides keeping in mind, uh, policy and what is the best, uh, for the community, of course. Thank you very much. Thank you. Um, of course, I understand. Um, yes, so I asked if you are aware, so yes, I'm aware of this. Um, yes. Thank you very much. Um, yes, so I asked if you are aware, so yes, I'm aware of this. Um, yes, so I asked if you are aware, so yes, I'm aware of this. Um, the membership committee automatically decides who becomes or gets renewed as a member and who does not. So, as they say, however, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. Um, so this includes, um, the code is for the day. So, I think, um, that's how I would try to work, but similarly how I did the same in the previous time. Thanks. Thank you very much. Okay. I'm sorry, I can't hear you at all. Um, what should I say? Yes, yes. Well, of course, the answer is yes. I'm not mistaken, but after that, I was able to make a lot of improvements, but I can't hear you properly. I'm sorry. I can't get anything in this way. Thank you very much. Um, no, I have already verified the code, obviously, because I said maybe there was an error in the experience of the code. It can happen clearly, no, that there is an error, but no, the code is correct. Yes, um, I have this approach. I've been in all parts of my cooperative work, and again, the examples are clear. I can mention my two main tasks. I have been responsible for the MCM script since six years ago, and I've been able to do my best all this time. And I also have handled the budget of the Latin American conference, and I have oriented the other members with the formal and administrative process of our foundation. So, I think, yes, I think I'm okay with the responsibility to be a member of the membership committee and about the applications and the renewals. I mentioned yesterday in my message answering Andreas in the board discuss that my guide is the foundation goals to approve, to check the renewal or the... I think the goal of the foundation is important. It is the most important, and the contribution is the way of how the member reaches and helps the foundation, the project to reach these goals. Yeah, well said, thank you. And now Richard, do you want to translate? Yes. Well, Gustavo-san is a great guy. Even if he takes the MCM script, I don't know what to say. Well, I think I'm okay with the responsibility. Well, I think I said that I was aware of such things when the membership application happened. Thank you. Thank you very much, Noriko. So we have another question. We have actually two questions from Guillaume. Let me try to phrase that in a sentence. So question to the candidates. Do you have ideas or plans how to grow and foster a membership in particular in your respective local communities? Do you want to have it translated first? Let's have maybe Noriko translate quickly and then we have to use it around. Please. Okay. Well, there are two questions at the beginning. One is that the number of members of the members of the TDF seems to be decreasing little by little. Well, the number of members of the Board of Justice seems to be decreasing little by little. I don't remember what to do. Well, I think that the number of members of the Board of Justice seems to be decreasing little by little. Well, I don't think it's just the TDF. Well, I think that the number of members of the Board of Justice seems to be decreasing little by little. Well, I think that the number of members of the Board of Justice seems to be decreasing little by little. Well, the number of members of the Board of Justice seems to be decreasing little by little. Well, I think that the number of members of the Board of Justice seems to be decreasing little by little. Well, I think that the number of members of the Board of Justice seems to be decreasing little by little. Well, I think that the number of members of the Board of Justice seems to be decreasing little by little. Okay, so good question. I think that, so first of all, I can definitely confirm that we have a decreasing trend of members of the Board of Justice. And there are several reasons, and I think that for taking the proper steps for trying to invert this negative trend, the most important thing to do is to try to understand why we have this decreasing. And I think that in this direction, we have done with the current MC quite some steps, meaning that last year we had the survey and with the community survey, we tried to understand better how our community is made of, which are the needs, what is, let's say, upsetting those contributors making them living. And apart from that, this year we also organized some meetings, some similar to the one we are having now, but directly with the local communities. And I think that this is the direction to go. Before planning, we need to list them at our community and try to support them, to help them. What I can say is that it's clear and evident that we have really this gap between TDF as an international entity and the work done by the local community. There are some local communities that are extremely active, but only locally. One of the most evident reasons is the language barrier. And for that, there are some ideas that we discussed and that of course needs to be shared with the board, with the team and with all the other people involved trying to make those proposals, those ideas, something concrete. And in general, one of the actions that I think we should focus on is to bridge the community as a local community and community as an international entity. And together with that, we should also try to continue to work with the other projects because it's not just TDF that is having some hard times keeping members or growing new members. So it's also really common to have the same people involved in several communities. So looking at that direction together with listening more and trying to join the meetings from the local communities instead of asking them to join our meeting, it's something that I would like to continue to work on. And maybe let's leave Naruhiko a bit of time to translate. Thank you Marina and over to Naruhiko for translation. Thank you. Well, first of all, I'd like to make sure that the number of members is decreasing. And for that reason, as an MC, for example, last year, we held a community survey to find out what people were thinking about and we did a lot of research. And regarding the local community, there is a language barrier and that's why instead of suddenly joining the global community, we would have a local community and for example, we would have a town hall meeting and we would need a community to connect with the community. Thank you. Thank you very much Naruhiko and Shinji, over to you for that question. Okay. Yes, so it's a very important point. So I agree with the town trend. And the Japanese community has the same problem. So I think it's not easy to solve. But I think it is important to appeal to the world and the second point is to follow up onboarding is more and so local community, I think, two points. But on the other hand, so as a problem we have to live less. So the desktop area needs a little downtrend. I don't know, so I dare. And so in some cases so emotional conflict is on global. So I don't know. I don't have any idea. But so I will try to J committee and step by step. Thank you. Thank you very much Shinji and appreciate all the work you're doing there and want to translate yourself? Okay, sorry. So the problem is that the members are less. It's a very important problem. The same thing happens in Japan. So there is no special role in the Japanese committee, but I think we need to follow up on that. So I think we need to follow up on that. So I think we need to follow up on that. So I think the number of members is decreasing. So I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. So I think we need to follow up on that. Thank you. Thank you very much Shinji Hard question. Even harder if you look at the German community when you look back for the last year since Lippo office existed most of the of the foundation activities ever came out of the German community. The money came out of the German community. Most of the founders have been there and if you look today at the German community there's nothing left or nearly nothing left. So some few people doing the translations but they obviously do not seem to have any interest in regular meetings or something like this. So there's just left over a handful of people here in the German community which may also have a reason that the an observation made long ago that the most engaged community members of local communities get soaked in by the international community and disappear locally mostly. So maybe this is the same where we can perhaps work on as said Marina tried with her town hall meetings to bring the international and the local communities newer together I think it's really really important to do maybe for the German community it's a little bit too late we have to think on other things here but on the other hand I have no real clue what is the reason maybe maybe our generation computers have been new and fascinating items and for the young people today maybe just a matter of course that they don't think about programming that being why all these apps do what I want and I don't know I really don't know but as it was said I think we this is not the only project with that problem I think free software in general isn't that cool thing anymore as it perhaps that being 20 or 15 years ago no more sorry we are becoming grey away yes maybe this is one of the reasons we have no good ideas anymore I mean thanks for that outlook and I think it's a fair some of the new ideas we're more managing our experiences than developing really great new ideas the privilege of the user but I guess the outlook from Marina like let's say first let's understand would you be behind that are you asking to me no that was more for Uwe sorry I didn't get what you want to ask so so the you kind of summarized the state of the German community I think pretty accurately and then you said you have no idea what to do but would you go behind or get behind Marina's proposal to get some idea what to do let's ask the people yes of course this is a great Marina driving to act more on these things because the only task of the MC as I said is to decide if someone gets a member or not and it was a really great idea of Marina to drive the MC to do a lot more to foster the community which isn't a general task of the MC but I think it's a really good idea to have also the MC driving this further so I try to assist as good as I can but I don't from my side don't see that much possibilities okay thanks Uwe Tuba and Narohiko want to translate thank you Uwe Uwe is a member of the German community so we talked about it in the German community we didn't have a new city but it was the same feeling and in the German community there are people who don't have a commitment to the global community and as Marina said in the local community we got from there to the global community to make a good channel which is a good idea I think that's it thank you thank you very much and next one in my list would be Ballas as a younger generation maybe have some unique news here oh that's really funny it's really hard question by the way I haven't been community as long as the others but it's really hard to answer this question giving some advice but as I mentioned I'm from Budapest and the local community is I can say that it's quite strong there are some developers who are keeping contact and also my mentor who convinced me to joining these projects the office so I will keep following for example that's how he convinced me and I will also try to convince younger people to join this community being part of that by the way I also agree with Marina that first we have to understand what is the reason for decreasing the number and yeah maybe it's related to the open source things which is not very popular this year I mean everything is business in these days so it's hard to answer this question but if I will have any advice I will tell you of course back to Gorton ok thank you very much Balas and Naruhiko over to you thank you Balas is the youngest member I think he was born but to be honest it's hard to answer he is a community member but the reason is I wonder I couldn't really answer so sorry and well the open source is widely used but in business everyone is conscious so in the case of LibreOffice it's quite hard to answer I think ok thank you thank you very much Naruhiko and next one is now so again I would try to remember how it worked last cycle when I was active so we were looking at all these tools that contributors are using like weblet or translators bugzilla for QAA Git for developers you name it and we try to hunt for actively hunt for people who contribute but are not members that would be a good idea since this instantly gives you contributors who are easily verifiable and I would just go for the slow-hanging for it and then we could figure out much harder next steps that was already outlined by others next steps is probably much less clear but just keeping an open eye to people who already do contribute but not members would be a good first step thanks thank you Miklosh and Naruhiko thank you Miklosh said that people who are still members are quite active and for that it is important to open your eyes to people who are not members and that is what is important thank you thank you very much and then over to Gustavo ok important question important question I think I think we should create connections with the mainstream for example the lectures about Python with LibreOffice and crypto with LibreOffice were a success in the Latin American conference side by side with our traditional terms like documentation now we are organizing online meetings to continue exploring these topics as a result of the conference and we are sure we will get interest from the young people for example let me point that I'm not interested first in getting more TDF members the main point I'm interested is getting more people interested in the project and I'm sure we will find talents for the organization in a second step thank you very much Gustavo and over to Nero Hiko for translation thank you Gustavo said first in the LibreOffice itself it's quite difficult to gather people like LibreOffice Python LibreOffice Crypto Web3 I think we will gather people with that kind of information and the important point is to increase the number of members of course it's important but not like that for the project we should increase the number of people who have interest and if those people increase of course the number of members will increase thank you very much so that concludes this round I think we have time for one more longer question or maybe two very short questions so I wonder that's mostly details I would suspect that the MC has that data so I would have a medium sized question prepared from our collection of important questions beyond that of course there's quite some answers already on the board discuss list on Andreas questions which was mostly on this how to evaluate contributions which I think is interesting but rather complex so let's wait a second for questions here otherwise in the chat and then ask the question so question would then be how much of the membership committee's decision and discussion should be transparent which means either to the public in general or to the members like for example how much of the evaluation metrics should be public or whether discussions on changing that or borderline decisions for example for people discussed to be public in the normal stage to translate that narrative course that is how much of the question would be the question would be how much of the membership committee's decision and discussion should be transparent which means should be public which means for example there are questions for example for example who should be a member or whether such a question is the question ok thank you Nariko and Tamarina ok so we can do much better I agree so first of all as also others mentioned during the other replies in this term we tried to work also on other topics and membership and we tried also to keep meetings every two weeks the problem we had with was that we need to get better first of all because the polishing of our minots it's not always easy because in meetings we are also discussing about membership or renewals and other things that can be public because we are discussing about specific members specific integrations so on that side we could try to be to do better and to publish faster what is not controversial we require a bit of work because we have quite a lot of backlog but that it's definitely something that you can do and apart from that what if the discussions are strictly related to a specific member I think it's hard to make a general case out of that because it's easy to guess who was the member we were talking about but in general also from the survey and also the discussions that we got that we had with those town hall what the community told us is that even if TTF is not something that we made yesterday it's still unclear how the governance work what is the membership committee what we are doing as a membership committee or as a board there are a lot of people completely unaware that we have an engineering steering committee or an advisory board so I think that we should work on transparency also let's say transparency but it's not just transparency but we should explain better why it's important to apply for a membership because at the moment the feedback we got is just that you are a member so if you want you can run for the board you can run for the MC and you will get an email address with the office.org domain and after so many years it's a bit sad to see our work reduced only to that so let's try to go also in that direction we discussed try to provide some more clear guidance on how we are considering a conclusion non-trivial so that can be accepted but we need to formalize something in a way that is not giving the wrong idea to members on which are the minimum requirements for getting a membership renewed or for being accepted as a member that's from my side thank you very much Marina quick translation from Naruhiko and then for another question okay so that's right um Marina-san well of course there should be a lot of discussion and two weeks of the MC discussion will be officially released but about individual members and the discussion of course it's not something that can be opened and I think I said something important but I can't remember sorry thank you so my idea would be that in case the MC contribution than anybody else should be able to at least on somebody else for the reasons but let's give a mention this is not in the chat it's not that hard anyway nowadays we have that what happened if we reject an application then I would be more careful about publishing the reasons for that like in general we are we should not expose personal info but my hope would be still that next time that contributor will try again with applying and that means we should do as much as possible to not discourage the contribution and the message should be like you are doing good but please do it the one that is working directly thank you mitlos and to thank you what I was learning is the contribution is is enough for me is enough is enough people So yeah, I think we should be open to how much of a contribution we should have. I don't think it's enough to be a member of a contribution. That's a bit difficult. I feel like it's a bit different. I'm sorry. I didn't know what to say. We have a public part of our meeting to meet the members or even not members and announce it to the whole community with a similar way that the board do in its meetings and about the process. It's guided by the status so we can do more publicity of our current tasks to be more transparent with the members. But for sure we should be careful with the sensitive information about the decisions of individual applications or renewals. In this case, I think there is no chance to publish more than we already do with the formal part of the minutes. Thanks for that, Gustavo, and I would tend to agree as many of the other candidates said that discussing individual persons that should not be in public, I suppose. Thanks for that and over to Narohiko. Thank you. Regarding the meeting of the MC, we discussed the public part and the private part. We discussed the public part and the public part. Of course, there is sensitive information about the activities of the MC. In other words, there is information about the individual application or the individual member. So we should not publish the public part. I think this is one of your opinions. That's all. Thank you. Thank you very much. So that concludes this round. Marina, want to add to that or was it covered with your comment in the chat? Maybe. So apart from what is in the chat, I would also add something on what Gustavo said about the public part of the MC meeting. Yes, definitely. It's a great idea and it's something that we were also discussing in the past. Let's say also that from a time zone point of view, we were not exactly lucky because it's true that we had meetings every two weeks, but the full slot was just half an hour. So it was a bit hard to squeeze the public part plus the other things we were working on in half an hour. So definitely we maybe can try to be a bit more creative with the time slots. And I would really like to push in general more for this public part. It's something that I really like from the World Call. Even if it falls so deep, it's just 10 minutes at the beginning. It gives, in any case, to the community and to the members a chance to just jump in and say something, ask something. So it's an improvement that we need to push on the MC. Thank you, Marina. And I will echo one more time. Thank you. I was just talking about the public part and the private part. The public part, the MC meeting is about 1.5 hours. So I was thinking about how we could make it 10 minutes in the public meeting and make it possible for anyone to enter the public part. That's it. Thank you. Thank you very much. So I think that nicely concludes the session. We have nominally four minutes left, but that's very much too short to have a full round of questions and answers. So I'd like to take the opportunity to thank again everyone for participating in particular the candidates and also Narohiko for translating quite a lot. And sometimes memorizing five or six minutes of monologue and then translating that I took my hat. The next, thanks indeed. The next session will be in only six hours at 1.800 UTC, 8 o'clock, 8pm Central European time. So everyone has some time to recover from that. We will publish this recording very soon. So we have at least one of the recordings that worked out. Again, thanks everyone for attending. Have a nice rest of the day, rest of the evening. Thanks so much and hope to see you soon. Latest in Milano. Bye everyone.