 Deliverance ministries is making a roaring comeback, but all of them are fraudulent. All of them? All of them. All of them. He actually emphasizes. All of them. Left to right. Yes, I stand by it. All deliverance ministries are fraudulent. 100%. There are times where when we as believers, when we disagree, there's times that we need to kind of pull the temperature down a little bit, turn it down a little bit. Sometimes we need to turn it up. I think today I'm going to do both. I think I'm going to call to pull the temperature down just a little bit, but also at some point in time, I'm pretty sure I am going to turn the temperature up. Now, there was, I guess over the last few weeks, there was, well, one with the movie cessation is coming out, or that came out, I don't know if you all have seen it yet. With that coming out, there have been a lot of people making movies about the movie cessation, making videos, I'm sorry, about the movie cessation. Then there was a cessationist conference, and there were people that were bothered by the cessationist conference. Now, I feel like this. I think it's silly and foolish to be bothered by one, the movie two, the conference. Why? Well, let's deal with the conference. They were charging $300, $299 for the conference, and we were in an uproar for one, I guess for them charging why? Because Charismatics have conference every other day, and they charge also, even by the way, don't let people fool you when they tell you that we're taking a free will offering, a free love offering, no, you're still charging when you're selling things there as well. So, six in one hand, half does any other, so that's not a big deal. But the issue was, three days to talk, have a conference to talk about what God is not doing. Well, if that's what you think is happening there, well then maybe you need to go and find out, because that's not necessarily the case, oh by the way, those people who are continuations or who are heavily Charismatic, what do you do when you have your conferences? There was a demon casting conference that was held by Daniel Adams some time ago. I didn't hear the Charismatics in an uproar over that. When the movie, when the Demon Slayer movie, whatever it's called, come out in Jesus' name, I think is what it was, the Charismatics were in an uproar over that. Now, cessationists were bothered by that, I understand that. And so, it's okay guys, for people to disagree, it's okay for people to have movies or videos to state their point or to say why they disagree, it's okay that people can get together and have conferences or meetings or regular church service and discuss what it is that they think. Imagine going to your church and then your church, the pastor of your church, preaching about what someone else thinks. Not what he believes, not what the church stands for, but what they think. When I go to my church, when you go to your church, you expect to hear what your core beliefs are at that church. You don't expect to hear what, let's say if you are, I don't know, Southern Baptist. You don't expect to hear what's happening or you don't expect to hear a church of God in Christ sermon. You don't expect to hear an assembly of God's sermon. You don't expect to hear or see Benny Hinn getting up, right? I think if you had Benny Hinn at one of his churches or what have you or TDJakes, what have you, you wouldn't expect to see someone like a John MacArthur or someone who preaches like him or Lawson to get up and speak. You don't expect that. You expect to hear things the way you're used to at your church. So to me, I think that's just silly on all sides when you get so bothered that someone who thinks differently, you already, you already know what they think. And so if you think what they're, what they believe or teach is dangerous, well then preach it. Then call it out. Something wrong with you calling something out if you think that you, that if you think it's bad, you should call out. Matter of fact, I really have more of a problem if you think something is bad and you don't call it out. I'm kind of wondering about you because how much conviction do you have to think something is wrong, to think something could be a danger and you don't warn anybody. And then I'm also worried that if you don't ever think that anything is wrong or that anything is a danger, how much reading are you doing? Jesus literally warned us. Paul literally warned us. Peter warned us. John warned us. There are going to be some things and some people out there that are dangerous and we should warn the people. And so if you're not warning anybody, then you are not reading or you don't care. You're just missing the whole point. So therefore it's okay, even if someone has something negative to say about me. I get on YouTube and YouTube will send me videos and a lot of times folks are just mentioning it so I'll get an alert that someone mentioned the channel and I'll go and just get a little peeksy. Most cases I don't actually watch them, but sometimes I do. And there are a lot of videos out there. You know what? I kind of think there are like four or five videos out there with me, with horns on my head. So I expect that. Am I bothered by it? No. You expect that. Again, Jesus said, not that I am one of his apostles, but he says, if they hated me, they'll hate you too. So they're going to hate you. They're going to have people coming by that some of us going to simply misunderstand. That's not a problem. You want to have a dialogue and let's go ahead and just put this passage up. Paul, not Paul, Peter says, but sanctify Christ, the Lord in your heart, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you with gentleness and reverence. Now, you all have even noticed that the last few Fridays, I'll even open it up for people to come online, show their face, and say, Corey, I think you are horrible. All the people that have had something negative to say, you can come back. Listen, every last one of you, and I'll address this later, but every last one of you can come on. Hey, Corey, don't want to talk to me. You can come on and talk to me. You can call me. You can email me. I make myself available. But that shouldn't be a problem having a disagreement. And you should also want to. You should also expect for someone to, if you're going to call them out to be able to defend it, which is no problem, as long as it's doctrine. Personal stuff will leave that alone. That's for children, right? But unless it's personal sin and it's affecting the body, that'd be different. But in this regard, with the back and forth, I saw some of the video. I actually had to watch it, I think, twice, three times. I'm not sure. I saw it in parts where Ruslan was giving a comment on, I think, the video or the conference. And there was something that Justin Peter says, so I'm going to cover that also. But something that Justin Peter says that all deliverance ministries are fraudulent, or frauds, thinks it fraudulent. As a rule of thumb, you probably don't want to say all. However, there are times when you do want to say all. We're going to see if maybe all is warranted, if that's a bit too overreaching. And then the word frauds or fraudulent are all of them fraudulent. What does the word fraud or fraudulent mean? I have a history of that word, seeing as though, during my federal tour, to see and visit some of the lovely establishments inside this great United States penal institutions, fraud was in my case. And so I understand what it means. I understand the legal definition of it as well. So that being the case, you've got to admit, though, some of the deliverance. Now, we're going to talk about sensationalism. We're not talking about sensationalism, or we're not talking about continuation. We're not talking about that. We will talk about that soon, though. I promise you, we will talk about that. But as it relates to demons being cast out, there are some deliverance ministries. There are some that are just horrible, like these. Strike number one, at least strikes, and you're out. Jesus, mighty name. Now, by the way, this is funny. This is funny. Now, she cast demons out all sorts of ways by that. I don't know. That's a new one. So you're going to give her points for originality. She says, that's one, three strikes, you know. So you're giving the demon a chance to stay in there. How nice of her. Why are you all attacking her? Oh. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Jesus, man. Jesus, man. I cut the value up. Be free, and never return inside of him in the name of Jesus. Amen. Is he your brother? Yes. He is free forever. Now, that right there, he is free forever. Can we just be honest right there? One, that's wrong. Two, that's blasphemous. So Jesus can't make you free. Let's look what the Bible says. The Bible says. This is not, I didn't write it. I didn't write it. But the Bible says, Jesus makes a statement in John 8.36. He says, so if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed in this word. Indeed, the Greek word is on toast. Carries a lot of weight. A little bit more than I think that someone like Lovia Elias believes. No, Jesus can't make you free. The Holy Spirit can't make you free. But me laying my hands on you and blowing into the microphone, that will make you free indeed. In the name of Jesus. Surely you have to admit that's fraudulent. Surely everyone's got to admit now. Brian Karn is, the man has been called out a few times for being a little bit too sexually freaky in the church. I mean that, I think, I don't care what sort of deliverance ministry you have. I think you'd have to agree that that right there is a little bit overboard. Power over the death, yes in your spirit. He hit her pretty hard, didn't he? He hit her pretty good. But there are, so there are some that we'd have to agree that they are just wrong. They are just bad. They're not godly. They are not biblical. But are there some that are simply just worthy of calling out and can we impugn all deliverance ministries? I'll get to that in just a little bit. But I want to deal with what I want to cut to a part where Ruslan is, he's bothered at this point. Now, obviously Ruslan, he says that he is a charismatic. He says he's a charismatic with a seatbelt. Justin Peters is a cessationist. Where do I stand for the record? So everyone will know again, I am not a cessationist. I am not a continuations. I am a biblical continuations. What's the difference? Well, I'm open to any move of the spirit whatsoever. I'm even open to it happening through the hands of somebody. I'm open to someone speaking in tongues as long as they are biblical. There's a difference. If the language is, they must be languages. If they're biblical, if it looks like what we see in the Bible, amen. If someone gives a prophecy and it's just like what we see in the Bible, amen. If someone has a gift of healing and it's just like what we see in the Bible, amen. So I'm open to it. Have I seen it? No. Now, someone say, well, Cory, you just haven't been around long enough. Well, some of these same folks that will say you haven't seen it, I've been in ministry. I've been saved longer than they've been alive. And I started off in the charismatic movement. So we've got to get away from thinking that because someone disagrees, they've never seen the other side. But I want to jump into where Ruslan is bothered. He's making some points here. However, there's going to be something that he, I think even he's going to disagree with it after I show you later. And this is the deeper issue that I personally, I think isn't just sad. It isn't just discouraging. It isn't just divisive. It isn't just passive-aggressive beta behavior. I don't know how it's... Now you guys know me, I've said before, I don't like that word beta. I don't like men calling other men beta. I'm not saying him. And by the way, full disclosure, I'm cool with Ruslan and I'm cool with Justin. I have both of their numbers. Now, I don't know if I call them. They pick from the first call or what have you. They both called me before I've called them and so forth. But are we bosom buddies? We wouldn't know. And so I don't have a dog in the fight. I do lean a certain way. You'll find out in a second. And so I'm not me. I'm not for or against either of them. I take it back. I'm for both of them. I am for, I am pro Ruslan. I am pro Justin Peters. I am pro anyone that says that they name the name of Christ and want to live up to that name. I'm for you. I am for you. But the whole beta stuff of that, I just don't do that. I don't do that. Not saying that he's doing it, but we've seen in the past other guys do that to kind of shame other other men and it's like, yeah, you don't want to go there. But his point is, well, he's getting to his point. Actually, I think I interrupted him before he got to his point. Just to describe it. The fact that all these guys from the Justin Peters to Dejama Carthers have historically ran from debating anyone from the continuation aside. That to me is a joke, respectfully. Dr. Michael Brown has been openly challenging John MacArthur for a decade on this since they did the first strange fire conference. The brothers from Remnant Radio has publicly offered to debate anyone on this topic. So the fact that you are going to do a conference while questioning people's salvation who have a disagreement on secondary doctrines and you're not willing to debate, you're not willing to go into the lion's den, that to me is, it doesn't get any weaker than that to me. Like, and not only is it divisive, not only is it not good for the body, because by the way, I don't hear Dr. Brown saying that these folks aren't saved. I don't hear Remnant Radio saying these folks aren't saved. I don't hear the Demon Slayer saying these folks aren't saved. Now a couple of things. In principle, I do agree that if a person calls a person out or says something about them, they don't necessarily have to go and debate them, but they should be at least open to having it. But then again, first of all, I think he brings up John MacArthur. John MacArthur doesn't debate anybody. John MacArthur, can we agree whether you like John MacArthur or not? You have to agree, the man is pretty busy. One, he's old as well. I'm not saying anything bad about being old because I'm getting there myself. But I think he's got bigger fish to fry and greater concerns than debating somebody. Now me personally, and this is where we're gonna see not him, but others, because he rattled off some names, Dr. Michael Brown, Sam Storms, Remnant Radio, and these guys. One, you need more people because I think there are a whole lot more people on that side of the aisle that are willing to have the conversations and those folks on the continuation side of the aisle because you simply only have a few over on the continuations. And they aren't, I wouldn't necessarily say they're the lion's den or what have you because they're just not, they're just not. By the way, can I be honest and clear with you guys? I want you all to know something. There are some people, there are some scholars. Have you ever been in a room with some people who you just felt, you know what? These guys, they know their stuff. There are some scholars who when they go through the scriptures and especially those who have a strong handle on the language, you're like, wait a second, huh? And you're left. There are some people that honestly and some Jewish scholars that was, you know what, Michael Brown, you're gonna have to take a back seat because what you're saying is wrong. There are those Greek scholars. I mean, when I don't mean scholars that went to school took a class or two in Greek and then we call them a Greek scholar because many, I don't know if you all know this but many New Testament scholars, a lot of New Testament scholars who are weak in Greek. How in the world can that happen? But there are a lot of seminaries that are graduating people with a degree in New Testament studies or what have you and no Greek, that's flooring. That boggles my mind. It's like being a scholar in 15th century Mexico but you know, no Spanish. It's just mind blowing. But the point is, there are some scholars out there who aren't trying to debate, who don't look to debate. That's not what they wanna do. Now, does that make what their opinions are? Does that make their opinions less of anything or weak or what have you? You don't see how many debates have you seen from Wayne Grudem, not a lot. Now he's a continuationist but you don't see a lot from him, do you? You don't see a lot of debates from let's say Bill Mounce or from, you know what, even from Daniel Wallace. They're doing other things but are they entitled to have a set of opinions and disagree? Sure they are, sure they are. But now in principle, I actually do agree with what Ruslan is saying. Only problem is all of those, the people that he brought up, these people aren't in the Deliverance Ministry. That's the one thing. They're not in the Deliverance Ministry. Dr. Michael Brown, while he may agree with it, he's not in the Deliverance Ministry. Neither is Sam Storm who has said some things that his colleagues over at DTS like they just shake, they're shaking their head, they're shaking their head. And so I do agree though, if a person is gonna go on the record, they should be open to have a conversation with anybody. No, you can't have a conversation with anybody. Could you imagine if Justin Peter said, I'll debate anybody, well then anybody's gonna show up. And so no, you don't wanna have that time. You don't wanna have that headache. So but if he calls them out, then fine. What I don't believe though, matter of fact, not that I don't believe, I know for a fact, the people that he names and we're gonna see who the people that Justin names, these people do not want to have a conversation with anybody except those that aren't gonna push them. And so let me go ahead and just pull up what he's talking about about them all being frauds. Deliverance Ministries is making a roaring comeback, but all of them are fraudulent. All of them? All of them. All of them. He actually emphasizes. All of them. Left to right, Vlad, Mike Signorelli, Daniel Adams, Katherine Crick, Isaiah Saldavar, Greg Locke, Alexander Pagani, et cetera, are frauds. One deliver. Now, before we continue, what do you think? What say you, as a matter of fact, I did, I did put up a poll. Let me go see what the poll says. Let me get an idea of what you guys said. You said you guys agree that 48% of all deliverance ministries are frauds, 23% said that some are, some are not, okay? 9% says that all or that fraud is harsh in your Jerusalem. And then 19% said, not sure, but Bald is the new cool. I love you guys. I love you guys who answered, not sure. Not for the not sure part, but for the Bald is the new, is the new cool. But what do you all think? Do you think you guys think that all of them are fraudulent? Again, I think just a rule of thumb is to say all, you always, hear me saying all, you always want to be careful about using the word all of being completely and exhaustive by saying every last one of them because it might be someone that's not. Now, that being the case, you would also have to define what a deliverance ministry is. Now, if we're talking about those whose primary focus or the primary focus in public is casting out demons, and we're saying out of Christians, because I think person, this is me, here's my definition of a deliverance ministry. Someone will say, Cory, you've never cast out demons. Then I'll say, please be quiet because you haven't listened to me because what have I said I've given, I have given my testimony on it and have even challenged every last one of these demon slayers that know me and I know them, know their names and so forth. I've challenged them to come, let's find some mean streets where we know there are some demons lurking. By the way, Dallas is a wonderful city, but there's some bad places in Dallas. We can go to South Dallas, we can go to Fair Park, we can go to Highland Hills, wherever, we can go someplace, and let's go at night. Let's go at night, by the way. Could you imagine me and Vlad Safchuk walking South Dallas at night and he's wanting to cast out demons? I would love, listen, I would sit back and let him go first. I would sit back, hey, Vlad, show me. Daniel Adams, go ahead and show me. Show me this. I said, you go first. Please, would love to see you do it. But then I would go and then we would see how true deliverance works. I believe that a true deliverance ministry is Jesus. That's that. See, I'll let Jesus do the heavy lifting, not me, not the continual, come out, come out, come out, come out, no. And oh, by the way, I think my track record is far better, far better than theirs. Am I bragging? No, because my track record isn't based on me. Matter of fact, you can go and find, there are people that say, you know what, based on or after hearing Corey's preaching or what have you, I place my faith in Christ and we don't see the manifesting versus over there. We'll talk about that in just a little bit. So that being the case, I think once we define what deliverance ministry is, it's gonna be kind of hard to find one that's not. But again, maybe it's too harsh to say all and also call them frauds. So let's continue. Deliverance, here's much better and infinitely more effective option. Yeah, so here's the issue. We could disagree on deliverance. This man has pictures too. When you start saying things like fraudulent, when you start right, nah, nah, that's different. I would never call John MacArthur fraudulent or fraud. I don't care what the documentary said, John, you're missing the point. This is the guy in the documentary, what do we? By the way, apparently there was a hub about that, because he's using the word John and he thought that maybe he was talking about John MacArthur, the person he's talking about the guy in the documentary is Justin Peterson. So just to clarify that, so. What are we talking about? You got the guy in the documentary saying things about deliverance ministries that they highlighted in the documentary. He didn't have to say it in a documentary. Yes, I stand by it. All deliverance ministries are fraudulent. 100%. So Justin said, yep, I stand by it. I look my chest out and everything. I stand by it. And what? So Justin says, yes, I stand by it. All deliverance ministries are fraudulent. So what say you? Are all deliverance ministries fraudulent? And then what does it mean by being fraudulent? Well, he's gonna actually put the definition up. So we'll go off with this definition. We'll pause it when he gets there. Google the word fraudulent, please. If you're going to use such bold language, be willing to get into the lines then and sit down with a Dr. James, excuse me, a Dr. Michael Brown fraudulent. Okay, so he's got it on the screen. He says, obtained, done by or involving deception, especially criminal deception. Now, by the way, the especially criminal deception doesn't necessarily mean it has to be criminal. Although there can be a criminal element and oh, by the way, fraudulent or a fraud does not always mean intentional. Found this out the hard way. The federal government will tell you and the courts will tell you that fraud or fraudulent can be fraud or fraudulent irrespective, not irregardless, which is not a word, but irrespective of intent. In other words, you not knowing what you're doing doesn't mean or take away the fact that something is fraudulent or not. So now let's go back to it and let's pull up his definition again and let's pause it there for a second. Obtained, done by or involving deception, especially criminal deception. So is there any part or any element of this that you guys would say you see in deliverance ministries? Is there anything that's done by or involving deception? Now fraudulent, again, if it's not what it appears, if it deceives someone, it is by, if it's not what it's supposed to be, if it has the look of something, but it's not, it is a fraud, it's by definition fraudulent. Justifiable claim or being credited with particular accomplishment or qualities. Especially criminal deception. Cannot look at that and say that's okay. You cannot like, and I. Now, again, admittedly, that's harsh. To call something or someone fraudulent. And I suppose you can call something fraudulent without saying the person is a fraud, but that's what this is doing. You are part of a scheme. You are part of something. Oh, by the way, the word scheme. Something funny thing is we, I think we probably, as Americans, need to kind of figure out what all of our definitions mean. Because even to say the word scheme, scheme is not a negative word. Scheme is not a pejorative. It comes across that way. Matter of fact, here's a word that's not, that's not actually even a crime. If I told you, if I gave you the word homicide, most people will say that homicide is a crime. Homicide is not necessarily a crime. It can be a crime. It often is associated with a crime, but homicide just means one person killed another person. They necessarily mean that it's criminal. However, homicide has been synonymous with murder. That's not necessarily the case. And the same thing with some of these words. So sometimes words kind of take on a bigger or deeper meaning and watch we have more comments on the video about the word, about the word homicide afterwards. But we ought to be, again, we ought to be careful about our words. And if we're gonna say something harsh, then I say this, if you're gonna say something harsh, then mean it. Sometimes we kind of flippantly throw out words and use harsh rhetoric and don't mean it or don't intend to back it up. Now, do I believe that Justin meant to use the word fraud or fraudulent and he meant to back it up and he knew, yeah, because he came back and said, yep, I still stand by, he believes that. Now, do I believe that? We'll see in a second. And again, I've had Pagani on, I've had Isaiah on, I consider Mike a close friend. All these guys, I'm friends. You cannot say that that is okay. You cannot say that's okay. We can have disagreements. We can have in-house conversations, but you cannot say stuff like that. All the limits of ministries are fake. Well, first of all, you can say whatever you want to. You can say whatever you want to. But to say that and not be willing to ever debate, come on. You ducking in job, I don't know. I don't want to sit down and debate. Why? Why? Why don't you want to debate? Who's Dr. Michael Brown? Why don't you want to debate? You're talking about a scholar. You're talking about somebody who, again, there's certain points that he's making that I agree, there's certain points that I disagree. And now he's getting ready to make a statement that comes up a lot with Charismatics no matter how far in the range of Charismatics, whether you're extremely hypercharismatic where you're just kind of a casual Charismatic, he's gonna say something that I wish more Charismatics would not say. Who's debated on the side of Dr. James White before, who's friendly with Calvinist? But you don't want to debate. You don't want to debate the remnant radio guys. I wonder why. Is it maybe, just maybe, that you know you haven't spent enough time with the continuationist arguments. You haven't sat down with any Charismatic folks and actually understood the history that tongues didn't just magically appear after the Azusa Street revival. See, I think that part, we hear that a lot where maybe you don't know this, you don't know that or you need to spend more time and I think that would be unfair to say that Justin doesn't spending time with him that know anything about them or whatever, had to talk to them and so forth or whatever, I think he has. Matter of fact, he may have, if I recall, he used to be a part of that, believed that, but then after the disappointments and then reading your Bible, it was like, okay, I disagree with that. Now, something that Ruslan said and maybe it's just that Ruslan just didn't know because folks say, hey, Justin doesn't go around debating people. He makes his point, states his facts and then keeps it moving. However, you can't say that Justin is not willing to talk with him and all we have to ask is Dr. Michael Brown. Maybe the best known or one of the best known critics of the Charismatic Pentecostal Movement, in particular, the word of faith aspects of that movement would be Justin Peters. So finally, early this year, I got to spend time face to face with him. We've done Zoom talk together. We've exchanged emails numerous times, talked by phone at least once at some length then finally got to meet him face to face. When the footage is released of the dialogue that Dr. Sam Storms and I had with Justin Peters and Jim Osman, when that is released on its own independently, three-something hours of interaction, you get to see the spirit in which we did interact. I'm looking forward to that happening. Now, so there was a part of me saying, yeah, you know what, Ruslan got a point. If you're going to call him out, you ought to be willing to sit down with him. And as Dr. Brown says, well, he did. He and Jim Osman, who by the way, just recently debated Dr. Michael Brown, sat down with him and Sam Storms. So they have been, it's just not on TV. And for the record, you guys know that I've tried to sit down with and talk to not the cessationist, I mean the continuationist. That's not so much my issue, although I do have some issues with some of the things that they do. But my bigger, well, one of the things that I have an issue with is this whole issue of deliverance ministry and demon slayers and so forth. And I've tried to sit down with them. I've tried to talk with Pagani. Pagani didn't want to have the conversation. Isaiah didn't want to have the conversation. Lad Savchak didn't want to have the conversation. Daniel Adams didn't want to have the conversation. Isaiah, Mike Signarelli. And all of them know who I am. They've all made comments. They've all even left comments on the channel before. They do not want to have this conversation, but what they will do, and this is the problem, this is where we get into this issue, and we're gonna look and see if their frauds will not. What they are, if they're not frauds, they're certainly not what Ruslan is saying they ought to do as well. They are not willing to have the conversation. They're willing to have a conversation with another charismatic. They're willing to go on remnant radio. They're willing to talk to Benny Hinn or Michael Brown or someone else, but they're not willing to talk to someone who is against what they're saying. And this was at a time where we were cordial, but he did not want it. I'll talk about everything else, but talk about my beliefs. And so I think though that what ought to happen on both sides is if we could pull the tone down, pull the temperature down just a little bit and save the harsh rhetoric for those that deserve it, you can be a charismatic and go to heaven. You can be a cessationist and go to heaven. You can be a Calvinist and go to heaven. You can be an Arminian and go to heaven. And then the other, the new group, you can be a provisions, go to heaven. You can be a dispensational, go to heaven. You can be in the church of God in Christ, a church of God, a symbols of God, Baptist, national Baptist USA, southern Baptist, primitive Baptist, church of Christ. You can be a believer of different persuasions and go to church. You can be all those things and go to church. What just happened to my computer? You can be all those things and still go to church. I mean, go to heaven. You can be saved and believe different things. And again, our favorite clip from the apostle prophet, Dr. Mike Todd, you can be saved and stupid. You can be saved and stupid. Tweet that. You can be saved and stupid. That never gets old, by the way. So when we're having these conversations, let's not also believe that certain people that disagree with us don't know the situation, don't know it. And again, Justin is, he's up there in age. Matter of fact, truth is, I think Justin Peter is about my age. He is either a year younger than me, the same age or maybe a year older. We're about the same age. The only problem is, I look younger. Why? Because I'm bald. Listen, you have no idea the benefits of being bald. And yeah, so he has that going against him. If he just cut the hair, if Justin cut the hair, he would look like he was 20. I can promise you that. I can promise you that. But that's another story. But do I think, do I think that the deliverance ministries are fraudulent? I think there's some. The question is, are all? Well, Justin put some names out. And so you tell me anybody in the chats or anyone who wants to look later are any of these people fraudulent? Daniel Adams has some of the best, or should I say some of the worst, actors in Christianity. And I say Christianity loosely because I'm not sure if any of these are Christians, but he has some of the best. Matter of fact, we've seen him use actors. Who is he use actors with? We'll show the other person that also, Justin mentioned, that are also actors that have been used with Daniel Adams. Come on, by the way. I'm telling you. Get away from me. Bastard. It won't hurt you. How come all of these demons are sold in a violent world where people will shoot at you, they'll spit at you, they'll cuss at you, they'll throw things at you, they'll run their car into you? Except if you have a demon, if you have a demon, these demons never, at least in the deliverance ministries, they never attack. They never violently attack anybody. Out of the life. Come on the way out for her. Out of the life. I think it's safe to say that Daniel Adams is a fraud. The acting, if you're going to be a fraud, get better actors. And I would say the same thing for Bagani. Bagani in his gangster actor here. Not that people are watching. Tell me what's going on. I'm a same disciple. You're a same disciple? Oh, you go back and you tell your Lord that I said that Jesus Christ is king. He is Lord and you are defeated on the cross of Calvary. Now in the name of Jesus Christ. Bad acting. And if you got to use bad actors to get your point across, I think that makes your ministry fraudulent. Now, who else has used actors that we know of? Matter of fact, we've demonstrated and shown both of them using the same two or three actors. That is none other than the great apostle now, Catherine Crick. Every demonic covenant. Every demonic covenant. Every demonic covenant. Every demonic ocean covenant you see. I don't know if you can hear what she's saying, but she's casting out the spirit of death. Huh. That's a good one. You can cast out the spirit of death. You must get the command for every depression you have to protect on the throne you must keep him in Jesus' name and all you wish for. One, two, three, five, six, seven, six, seven, eight. So they're free now. One, two, three, by the way, they're still shaking after and they're free now. Again, Jesus didn't free them. The spirit couldn't free them, but you could. I think we'd have to call that person fraudulent. And then here we've got Vlad Sapchuk, who I think that his ministry, his deliverance ministry is fraudulent as well. It's your ships. You raise, speak up. What have you done to his finances? No. What have you done to his finance? So he has a finance demon. Okay. How did you enter him? How did you enter him? Rage, show yourself. Show yourself. Speak out. All you need to get rid of this finance demon is just balance your checkbook, save some money, put some money in investing. No problem. That's usually how we handle finance demons. But now you gotta go to deliverance. I think we categorize that as fraudulent. And oh, by the way, who's he associated with? The problem is not even just what they do, but who they're associated with and who they entertain and also platform and promote. And so I would say, yeah, he is too. I think that this person, this next person who seems to be the mouthpiece of them, I think that he's certainly fraudulent. Yeah, yeah, Jesus, yeah, yeah. Go, Jesus, leave, leave, leave, out, out. Remind you, remind you, remind you, remind you. Fire, fire, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. Whole lot of repeating, fire, fire, fire. Go, go, go, come out, come out, come out, come out. By the way, there is a pastor that he turns to. He points to one pastor when he's asked, if it is okay, why do you keep saying and repeating yourself and he says, well, Jesus did that. No, not quite. Where does he go to? He goes to when Jesus is talking to Legion. Let me put it on the screen. As he comes to him, this is in chapter, let's start in Mark five, let's start in verse seven, and shout out with a loud voice. He said, what business do we, that's Legion speaking. Do we, sorry, do we have with each other, Jesus, son of the most high God, I implore you by God not to torment me, for he had been saying to him, come out of that man you unclean spirit. And this word right here is where he gets this from. And now this could be taken, it was continual, but there's a better way to do it. This is the Greek imperfect, and so what it more than likely is connoting is that as he was doing this, in this whole process, you would use that term, you would use the imperfect. And the imperfect doesn't necessarily mean that he was constantly doing that. He may have, but it's probably not why, because the other chapters, the other chapters or the other books that talk about this don't have that same account. And so to make your practice out of one word that one pretty sure you didn't understand, how would you, I think that would be faulty. But I think it'd be safe to say that a lot of what he's doing is wrong. And now one of my favorite video clips is Isaiah laying hands on a young lady who can see. Laying hands on a young lady who can see. What is your name? Blindness. We bind the spirit of blindness now. Come out. Yeah, she can literally sing, but you're binding the spirit of blindness. I think that's fraudulent, just just me. And what about the new addition to the team? First and last names are six witches that are in our church. And you know what's strange? Three of you are in this room right now. Three of you in the room right now. You better look in my eyeballs. We ain't afraid of you, you stinking witch. You devil worshiping Satanist witch. We cast you out in the name of Jesus Christ. We break your spells. We break your curse. We got your first name. We got your last name. We even got an address for one of you. You don't need their address. They're literally right there. You said they're right there. So what do you need their address for? Why don't you do what you say you have the power to do and go cast them out? Yes, I think the greg law is fraudulent. Now, do I think that all deliverance ministries are fraudulent? I'm gonna have to say yes. I'm gonna have to say yes. Here's why. Here's why I'm gonna have to say they all are fraudulent. Because if this is what they're doing and all the ones that I've seen, see the question's gonna have to be now if they all are not fraudulent, do we know of one that's not? Do we know of a deliverance ministry that's not fraudulent? That would be the bigger point. That would be the question that needs to be asked. Do we know of one deliverance ministry that's not fraudulent? And let me tell you why all of these are fraudulent. One, first of all, these people, they've got so much power, but not enough power to deal with non-believers. I'll get to that in a second. And they don't have enough power to deal with Christian skeptics. Well, why should there be any Christian skeptics? Well, one, because the Bible tells us to be a little bit skeptical. Why? And I'm literally using the Bible. John says, beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. Why? Because many false prophets have gone on to the world. So should we test them or should we just simply believe them for the sake of believing? No, test them. I don't see what you're saying, Pagani. I don't understand what you're doing, Isaiah. Greg, can you help me out? Marcus, what about you? Vlad, hey, I'm missing something here. Can we have a conversation? No, no, no, I'm not gonna have to talk. So the only alternative is to do one of two things. Well, one of three things. One, sit down and shut up, take what we say is truth. Two, believe, or three, just simply wait till you ever get back with us, which you never will. Or four, do what the Bible says and that is to expose, to call them out to undermine them. As a matter of fact, Paul says, but what I'm doing, I will continue to do so that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are. He says in other versions, to undermine what they're doing. I think that's okay. I think what they're doing can be undermined and do so. Now, if they were to follow others' advice and would to come out and speak with people, that would help a whole lot because I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I could be wrong about what I think about deliverance ministries, the ones that I've seen. So maybe we can say all of them aren't, but all the ones that I've seen. This isn't one of those deals where, you all heard the little saying, all Indians walk in single file, at least the one that I saw. Well, we're not talking like that, like there's a small sample size. I only saw one deliverance ministry or two. They are literally all over the place. It's not us that are putting deliverance ministries out on Front Street. They do so every time they go somewhere. As a matter of fact, they sometimes call out by names, which they've called me out by name, but also they do it kind of subtly. They do it kind of backhanded. They'll say that if you are not showing signs and wonders when you're preaching the gospel, it's not the true gospel. If you don't do deliverance in your ministry, it's not a true ministry. You're not safe. If signs and wonders aren't present, you're not safe. That's what they say. And so we should take it, nope, nope, nope, the same energy that they give out. We'll give it right back, but in this case, we'll do it with the Bible. This is why deliverance ministers will not have a conversation with people like me and others. So we should ask just basic questions, just biblical questions. How come after the founding of the church, when all the people groups have received the Holy Spirit, there's no more mentioning of a demon being cast out? Why? Or easy one, why is there no mention of demons being cast out prior to Christ coming on the scene? Why? Why doesn't Peter or Paul or James or John tell anyone else to cast out demons? Well, it was so common, they already knew. No, we're talking about Gentiles who didn't know anything about Judaism or Christianity. They don't know what it looks like. So wouldn't they be told? We're told how to pray, we're told how to give, we're told how to love, but we're not told how to do the one thing that they say Jesus did the most, which is cast out demons. By the way, Jesus did not cast out demons more than anything else in his ministry. 10 times the Bible documents him casting out demons. Do we think he cast out more than that? Sure we do, but what is the Bible Chronicle? The Bible Chronicle 10 times, 27 times, what was it? If I can remember, 27 times him healing someone. 42 actual miracles that we know of, but there were a lot more than that. How many prophecies? Hundreds. So, and by the way, the Bible talks about prophecies later after that. So when you give them Bible, they give you their backs. They turn around and run. That's a problem. That is a huge problem. There's a reason why, and on this, and again, I don't want you guys to think, I promise you guys, I really am cool with both of them. I have nothing but love for them, but on this one, I'm definitely gonna side with Justin on this one because I do believe all the deliverance ministries that I've seen, I haven't seen one, and if they're gonna be of the same ilk, have the same belief, they're fraudulent because it takes the power away from Christ and puts it on them. And I think that every last, now this I said earlier that you wanna turn the temperature down. However, at this moment, I am going to turn it up. I'm going to turn it up and I'm gonna turn it squarely. This isn't, by the way, I'm using Ruslan and Justin Peters as a means to make this point to the deliverance ministers. And I say deliverance in quotation marks and ministers and ministries also because they're not. How do I know? We're gonna let them tell us. We're gonna let them tell us and we're gonna show the frauds that they are. They are frauds. They are fraudulent before I get there, however. And we're gonna play the video clips of them and their own words, but they are too, as we said earlier, they are to give a defense of anyone else. They will not do so, so strike one against you guys. But then what does the Bible say about us as believers? Whoever believes that Jesus is Christ is born of God and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God when we love God and observe his commandments. For this is the love of God that we keep his commandments and his commandments are not burdensome for whatever is born, that is us. Us are born, bad English, but you get the point. We, us, are born of God. And what does that mean? We overcome the world. And by the way, this were those who were born of God. We have been born. Gigaminus, giga, giga, giga, gigaminus. If I can say it correctly, gigaminus. This is, let me highlight it, guys. This is a perfect middle participle. It was done to us. It's perfect tense and it's ongoing. So us that are born, we are what? Overcomers, we overcome the world by our faith. Now there's something important to that. One we were cost to be born again. I don't wanna go over that, but I want you to notice what he says about those of us who are born again, who have been born of the spirit, who are overcomers. What does he say? Verse 18 of the same chapter. And we know that no one who is born, or the word is, oy deman, hati pas ha, gigaminus. That is, we know that all the ones that have been born of God, not are sinning, but, what he says, they keep, or I'm sorry, but are kept of God. So who keeps us? God keeps us from what? From the devil, he does not touch us. Remember, it's God that keeps us. It's not Saldavar, Signorelli, Savchuk, Adams, no, it's not someone's hands touching you. That keeps you. This is literally what the word says. The reason why you've got people manifesting is because you pray on people who are weak. Weak either emotionally, weak in spirit and without question, weak in the word. That's why the writer of Hebrews tells us that we ought to have this confidence. There's no need to go to anybody else. We are, it's almost like there are, there are more charismatic Catholics than anything else because the Catholics, you got to go to this priest to have anything to get a word through to God. And so you got to go to this man of God or this woman of God, so to speak, and I'll use the word lightly, to be delivered. Not through Jesus. So their own charismatic priests are these deliverance ministers. Is that harsh, Redder? It is, it is. That's why I'm turning up the heat on them now. Not to anyone else that might disagree, but to these people that are actually doing it. To these people that perpetrate a fraud. Now, is it possible that they can do this unbeknownst to themselves? Is it possible they can ignorantly do so? It is, it is, because if you brought up in it, you're taught that's what you're supposed to do. And I have seen people get caught up in anything that's what I'm supposed to do. I'm bothered, I'm frustrated. When I see someone in the grocery store, or I see kids get frustrated, you all been there before where you get so frustrated, you just want to release. And then you gain control of yourself, because again, that's not what grownups do. It's what little kids do. So we've seen people kind of lose it a little bit, lose control. Well, when you're caught up in that environment, it's easy to be overcome with that attitude, with that thought and do just that because someone is making you think, yeah, I'm bothered by this. I'm bothered by that. I'm getting upset. And I just scream, go ahead and scream, go ahead and let it out. Oh, that's deliverance right there. Meanwhile, the next day, you're doing the exact same thing. You weren't delivered. What was, you were lied to. Is it possible the person lied to you didn't know? It's possible the person that lied to you didn't know himself because the Bible Paul says that there are those who are deceived, who are being deceived, and at the same time, deceiving others. The person that is deceived and deceiving others, is he no less a deceiver because he was deceived first? No, he's still a deceiver. He's still in, he's still in danger. He's still listening to the wrong spirit. Is it possible the person can look like they're saved and not be saved? Sure. And is it also possible that a person can be saved and not know what in the world they're doing? Sure, that's completely possible. Why do we think that a person can be saved and do silly things, do the wrong things? Why? You can be saved and stupid. Tweet that. You can be saved and stupid. Now, I'm gonna tell you why this is, why this is fraudulent. How we know that these deliverance ministries are fraudulent. I gotta group them all the same because they all do the same thing. By the way, why don't they ever call any of the other ones out? But that being the case, here I've got the power to deliver you. Now, not my words, their words. They say they have all the power to deliver you. But the question that we keep asking, by the way, they watch the channel, they watch other channels, they do so. I won't tell you how I know that they watch the channel, but I do know. First of all, it'd be difficult for them not to. It would be difficult for them not to, one, YouTube is gonna send them, if we mention their name or something like that, YouTube is going to send it to them some sort of way. It's gonna be on their YouTube page, on their YouTube homepage, it's gonna be there. So they're gonna see it. Huh, what did this guy just say? And since they've never answered one of our questions, they're gonna have to go and look and see, well, dawg, let me make sure I can get this, at least so I can figure out how to duck around this question when someone else asks me. But they tell us that they have all power. But the problem is, and I keep bringing this up, I've said before, as a matter of fact, let me put on the screen, guys, put on the screen so everyone can see, everyone in the chats, how many of you guys, 500 plus of you guys that are in the chats right now, how many of you guys are manifesting right now? Let's just let the world see. And don't hide it, don't hide it. Tell the truth, send the devil, if you're manifesting right now, how many of you all are just kind of having uncontrollable fits? How many of you all are just struggling with yourselves? You're just bursting out of your skin. You don't know what to do. How many of you all need a bucket to throw up in? Or as the lady did, how many of you all need someone else in your face? Or to get Brian Carr and rub his head in your chest area? How many, the problem that we pose is how come people who believe like I believe, who believe like Justin believes, who believes like some of these other people that call the stuff out, how come people who believe, and I saw the message, how come people who believe like the Cozars believe, Rosenbaum, how come people who believe like that? How come people who believe in this way the people that either watch them, listen to them, follow them, what have you? Don't manifest like that. How come those folks that go to those churches, they don't have that problem? But the people that go to your church do. The people that listen, go watch your next Isaiah sound of our video, or Mike Signorelli's, or that last sound. There will be people in the chats manifesting right now. Why is that? Is it because you serve a weak God, you got a weak word, you got a weak spirit, or you're just a weak person all together because you are fraudulent? Which one is it? I gave you five, four, five choices, choose one. Because that's really what it is. You're telling people to go to a place that keeps them bound and then get upset with people because they have a better way where folks are, Cory, you've never done this before, I've told you before. And it's not just the example that I give you about the person who's transgender, the vehemently hateful, Aryan brotherhood person, you know the person who came out of associate with black people on the yard, or the guy who was digging demons out of his skin. He had chunks of skin missing. How was he delivered? Yeah, we went and laid hands on him and waved a rag around him and gave him a bucket, no. We just simply asked him, do you want to be well? Do you want to be whole? Do you want to be better? He says, yes, I'm tired. What did I do? I gave him the gospel. It was clear as day to him, you know what he stopped doing? That day, that moment, that minute, he stopped pulling the demons out. Now, do I think he had demons in the way? He said he was. He said he did. He was pulling something out. The man had plugs in his, he had plugs in his face like some of you guys have plugs in your hair. You guys with the bad hair do, which I never had to worry about because I'm bald. He had plugs in his eyebrows, on his nose, around his lips. I mean, it was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. He had visible white marks on his face because the skin, and he was my complexion, the skin was gone. And all you saw was these little white plugs, white openings. A week or two later, you saw the healing and the scars going away. And you saw this young boy in church. You going to tell me that no one over here knows anything about deliverance? God is a deliverer. Jesus, that's what the word comes from. The Greek word for it is soterion. The Hebrew word is yoshia. You want to tell me that Jesus isn't a deliverer? But then you come back and say, no. Here's how we know there are frauds because when you guys go to frequent their establishments, I say establishments, not churches, but their establishments and it doesn't work, what do they do? Have you all noticed that customer service has gotten bad nowadays? Customer service has gotten real bad. Let me just, park here for a second and I'll make my point. Customer service has gotten so bad. I go to the grocery store and I spend $47 on some eggs, some bread, some milk, and some cereal, $47. When I go to check it out, I'm thinking, my Lord, this stuff is expensive. Do you know at the grocery store that I go to, I have to sack my own groceries? Yeah, it's my responsibility to make sure the groceries get sacked. If I got a problem, no, it's not the customer's always right. Y'all remember that some of you guys, not you guys that are millennials or what have you youngsters, it used to be, Alden can tell you this, he's up in there, Sheila can tell you this, Rashaan doesn't know, Rashaan's pretty young, but some of you older folks know, they used to be a motto that the customer is always right. Is that right Mona? The customer is always right, not nowadays. Nowadays, if it ain't right, it's your fault. If it ain't right, it's your fault. Well, that's the same attitude that the same deliverance ministers who we call fraudulent that they have. Why do I say so? Because they say so. The number one thing is I've heard people say, oh, I've went to an Isaiah salto bar event and I got partially delivered. And I've been like rebuking people saying, yeah, that's not Isaiah's fault, you part. Yeah, let's stop for a second. You got partially delivered. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where anyone was partially delivered? Anywhere. Now, two things that I like about Mike Signarelli. One, from Indiana, he gets a plus on that too, bald. But after that, nothing else. They're partially delivered and you're rebuking the people that were partially delivered. Okay, let's listen to what you gotta say. Partially repented. The number one thing is I've heard people say, oh, I've went to an Isaiah salto bar event and I got partially delivered. And I've been like rebuking people saying, okay, hold on, wait a second. Wait a second, wait a second. I gotta stop. I gotta pause it. I gotta pause for a second. I just noticed something. He's not even a natural bald. Yeah, you know how some ladies are not natural blind? He's not even a natural bald. He's got a hairline. That's not bald. I take back what I just said. You're not bald. You are a fraud bald. That's what you are. A fraud bald. So I take back that. Yeah, so you have a fraudulent ministry and a fraudulent bald head. I'm sorry guys, I just noticed that. But let's go back to it. Yeah, that's not Isaiah's fault. One thing is I've heard people say, oh, I've went to an Isaiah salto bar event and I got partially delivered. And I've been like rebuking people saying, yeah, that's not Isaiah's fault. You partially repented. So you was a partial repentance is a partial breakthrough. I have all power to cast out any demon. It's not the power of Christ isn't limited through me. It's your repentance was limited. Now let's think about that for a second. He says it's not Isaiah's fault is your fault because you partially repented. Listen to it again. You partially repented. So you was a partial repentance is a partial breakthrough. I have all power to cast out any demon. It's not the power of Christ isn't limited through me. So you got all power to cast out demons, but you don't. It's their fault. Yeah, you're a fraud. And no one can say otherwise. I want someone. I want somebody, not you guys. I want someone to defend that. You go to get delivered, come to me get delivered and then don't get delivered. Stay away from those other people who are preaching against us even though everybody over there has full control of themselves. Everyone is manifesting the whole. We're not manifesting demons over here. We're manifesting the Holy Spirit. How do we know? Cause we got full self control and we love the scriptures. Yeah, so we're manifesting the spirit. Meanwhile, they're manifesting something else. Stay away from them. Come over here so we can deliver you. But if you don't get delivered, it's your fault. That's a, what a crock. And I know some of you guys don't use that word anymore. What a crock. I know, I know old timey stuff, but what a crock. That's just, that's just trash. That's a, that is trash. Now, why, how can they get away with this? Because they have a captive artist. They go to certain people. See, true deliverance goes to where it's needed. True deliverance goes to where it's needed. Ramiah, I said that I've invited them to go out in the streets and let's go to people and deliver some people. Now this was at the time, this was right before we became a little cross with each other. And then even after that, let's, let's go out. I'll, I'll pay for your, I'll pay for you to come down here. And you can, as a matter of fact, I'll put you up here with me. You can stay here with me. Yep. You can stay here in the house. You can come sit over here on a comfy couch over here and I'll be right here. You can do your live stream right there. And then we can go out on the streets. But there's a reason why they won't. This is how you also know. This is why we know that they are fraudulent. Because look at who they do deliverance on. From your experience, from my experience, I only do deliverance on believers. And I've done deliverance as you have on pastors, on leaders, on all these Christian people. These are not like... So you only do deliverance on Christians, then you're not doing deliverance. That, that, that makes absolutely no sense. Let's rewind it again. That makes no, that's no biblical sense. Your experience from my experience, I only do deliverance on believers. And I've done deliverance as you have on pastors, on leaders, on all these Christian people. These are not like people that are like talking to themselves on the side of the road. These are average normal police officers, school teachers, people that work at Walmart start. Yeah. You know what that is? That's trash. That, and I, yeah. There are times where you have to turn the volume down, turn the heat down. That right there, we turn it up. That is trash. That's horrible. That's fraudulent. You only do deliverance on Christian, on folk. So you won't, so the guy on the side of the road talking to himself, nope, get away from me. You dirty, unsafe person. No, no, no, no. The guy, you notice that the guy on the side of the road, you won't do deliverance on him. I see why you won't. I see. I get it now. I get it now. That's horrible. That is horrible. I've seen people do it on people in church. See, what you won't see, what you will not see, guys, you'll go to a church and you'll see someone lay hands on someone and someone fall out in the church because that's expected. They understand that's what I'm supposed to do. But they won't go in the rough neighborhoods. They won't go to the crack house. They won't go to the abortion houses. They won't go to these other places and lay hands on people and cast out demons where the greatest level of demonic activity. So yeah, I would have to say now, again, and I wanna be clear, guys, I don't want you guys thinking that I'm saying this about continuations. That's a whole separate subject. This isn't about the gift of the spirit. This is about this fraudulent ministry that never existed up till now. And I have to go ahead and agree that all unless proven otherwise, I'm open to be proven otherwise. I'm open to be shown that I'm wrong, that there is somewhere a deliverance ministry that isn't fraudulent. Maybe it's just that part of that person's ministry that is fraudulent. But the person that this is their focus and let's be honest guys, this is their focus. They can say, if they wanna say this isn't what we always do, yeah, it is. Yeah, it's all we see you do. It's all we see you do. I don't live with you, I don't know what you do. All I see you do whenever I see anything about you is you doing this. And you talking about how much power you've got. My question has always been, it's always been, why is the Holy Spirit that you know so weak? Because the one that I know, a Christian can't have a demon. How do I know? Well, because Luke 11, 21 says, when a strong man fully armed guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. But when someone stronger than he attacks him and overpowers him, he takes away from him all his armor on which he had relied and distributes his plunder. Well, the Bible tells us as a Christian that has the Holy Spirit, greater is he, that's the Holy Spirit that's in me. So who's gonna come in and plunder this temple that the Holy Spirit lives in? That would be the greater question. That's the greater question. Someone's, what are you saying? There's nothing wrong with walking as Jesus walked. You're absolutely right. There's nothing wrong with walking as Jesus walked. What is wrong is walking as though Jesus didn't do anything when he walked. What is wrong is pretending like what he left us with was ineffective. What is wrong is saying that we are not free indeed. And then turn around and claiming to have the same power that Jesus did have. But he hadn't still the person who was supposed to be delivered is partially delivered. It's your fault. Did Jesus ever do that? Matter of fact, did he ever even leave an unsafe person undelivered in terms of what their ailment was? No, but they do. And then turn around and blame you. You didn't pray hard enough. You didn't, don't defend them if you can't defend them with scripture. I would love for someone, matter of fact, if you can defend them with scripture, please do so because they won't defend themselves with scripture. Yeah, are they frauds? Yes, they are. Yes, they are. Yes, they are. If they weren't fraudulent, then the majority of folks in the church would not manifest. The majority of folks in the church would not have a demon or have demonic problems. So, yeah, you say what you wanna say. You can defend them, but defend them with scriptures. This isn't their channels. This is a channel where you have to go through the scripture and prove your point. Even if your point is wrong, at least act as though you know what the Bible is and show us, I believe this. All right, fine. But you cannot point to a scripture when I say give a passage where Paul, Peter, James, John, Judas, somebody, somebody with sandals in the New Testament told them to cast out demons. You know your problem, Church of Corinth? You got a man sleeping with his father's wife. You got a man sleeping with his father's wife. What did Paul say? Cast a demon out of him. Cast the demon out, no. Paul said cast him out. Matter of fact, turn him over to Satan. Why didn't you just tell him to cast a demon out? Missy, I do. Why would you not want to live a spiritual life with the gift God gives us? Sweetheart, I'm gonna assume you're a woman because it's Missy. If you are a male and your name is Missy, you got problems. But I'm assuming you're a woman. I assume that you are a lovely young lady or older lady, I'm not sure. But I certainly do live my life with the spirit. Again, guys, when do I get out of prison? Can someone tell somebody? Can someone tell Missy when I get out of prison? When is my out date? Missy, you may not know me. My out date to get out of prison is my out date. Yes, prison talk, my out date. My out date is 2025. Let me look at my phone. Let's see what the date is. October 8th, 2023. I'm ahead of schedule. I'm ahead of schedule. Missy, you know how? Because I put all my faith in the Lord. Do I have faith in what he did? Do I walk in the, do I walk by his spirit? Sure, perfectly no, not nor does anyone else. But I'll say this, I've seen the spirit work and move in me. And I trust him implicitly. I know what he can do. And I'm not defeated. How in the world, Missy, Missy Poo, if I may say, how in the world can a person who claims to have the spirit walk with a defeated walk? What's going on with the spirit in you? The spirit in me gives me hope, gives me confidence, keeps me moving. Yeah, so that's my question to you guys. What's wrong with walking? By the way, y'all do realize this, that if the spirit wants to move, the spirit does name the first time, the only time, the last time, as many times as you can, name, name the one time or two times or 10 times that the Holy Spirit asked anybody for permission to show up in someone's life. When was the first time or is there any time where the Holy Spirit needed permission to work in somebody? Did the Holy Spirit ask for permission to come up on anybody? No. He will move as he wills. I wish somebody would act like the Holy Spirit is more powerful than you. That's what I wish. I wish you would act like the Holy Spirit. I wish you'd read your Bible and then prove to me that you are stronger or any demon is stronger than the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit, the Lord gave me the Holy Spirit upon the profession of my faith, which by the way, he moved me. This is how awesome God is. Yeah, Missy, Missy Poo, can I call you Missy Poo? Missy, sweetheart, let me ask you this. Do you think the Lord would waste blood like that? Do you think he would waste his time? Do you think he'd waste his spirit? No, he would not. You know why I'm asking these questions? Because he literally, the Bible says that he took his spirit, put it in my heart, regenerated and caused me to one, ultimately put my faith in him. And then after doing so, caused me to be washed. I'm set free, I'm delivered. And he says he'll cause me to walk in his statue and teachings. I will never turn away from him. He will never turn away from me. Do you think I doubt the power of the Holy Spirit? No, I do not. I walk in and I revel in and I love what he's doing. Why don't you? This is the problem that I'm having with a lot of you charismatic people. I love you. Listen, some of my favorite people are charismatic. Some of my favorite people are charismatic, but I wish you put the Holy Spirit in proper perspective. He is preeminent. He's got all the power. Greater is he that's in me than any demon could ever want. I wish you people that claim to know and to walk in the spirit would get that fact. Then so many of you would not be so defeated. And I still make this claim anytime. Any one of you wants to go out on those streets and go help some folks get delivered, let me know, email me. Email me, do something. Send up a smoke signal, something. So we can go out and then let's just see how the Lord works. Some of you guys think that all I know how to do is sit at this computer. No, I've got news for you. And then we'll see how the Holy Spirit works. So no, there's nothing wrong with walking the spirit. We walk in the spirit. One of the fruits of the spirit is self-control. Okay, my boss just gave me a message and I must apologize. I must apologize. I must apologize. I'm sorry. Matter of fact, Missy Poole is saying so. My wife just said, she said that might be offensive to call her Missy Poole. So I apologize, I apologize. Missy M, I apologize. Okay, I'm sorry. I apologize, I apologize. However, I do not apologize for what I said about the Holy Spirit. And you, sweetheart, need to grow in what the word says. Can we agree on that? So I was wrong for calling you Missy Poole, which by the way, I do call people Missy Poole. I apologize. I'm sorry. Do I call my wife boss? No, I do. Do I call her boss? No, she calls me boss. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding, honey. Don't get me in trouble. But I just want to be honest, guys. I want to be honest. If someone says something that's counter to the Holy Spirit into the word, then we gotta call it out. By the way, I want to say thank you to my brothers over there at Bible Dingers. That was a wonderful debate that was on the other day between Michael Brown and Jim Osmond. Guys, if you haven't seen it, please go over there and check out Bible Dingers or just type in Michael Brown versus Jim Osmond or just say, I forgot how you do it. Just type something in, you'll get there. Go check them out and subscribe to the channel. They actually do pretty good work. I think that was a pretty good get for them. So, or for anybody, but that being the case, guys. And the issue isn't to point out the fraudulent activities so much of these people, of these so-called demons. Why would you, I wouldn't even playfully call myself demon slayers if you're not slaying them. If you're not slaying them, but the point is we've got a word to go by. I'm a walk by and live by that word because who gave us that word? Missy, who gave us that word? Family, who gave us that word? The Holy Spirit did. And so if anything, if anything contradicts that, it is by definition fraudulent. And oh, by the way, one thing we could agree on, if it's not in the Bible, if there's no examples of it in the Bible, then it's also, i.e. a Christian having a demon, then it's also un-difficult. So to answer the question that took us one hour and 20 minutes to get to, are all deliverance ministries fraudulent, I think the answer is yes and amen.