 So Galancon thinks that if you put on the ring, you would act in your own self-interest. Now you might think that the idea of putting on the ring and getting it back at your enemy is a bit extreme and that you would never really do anything like that. But don't you do this already? Haven't you ever gone online and called somebody stupid or called them a name because they disagree with you? Have you ever spread a meme that makes fun of somebody else or some other group? Have you ever left an anonymous review that's angry? And condemnatory just to get back at somebody? I'd be willing to bet there's at least once that you talk to somebody in a way online that you wouldn't talk to them in the exact same way face to face because you know that you can get away with it. Are you going to try to tell me that you've never lied not even once, even once as an adult, in order to protect yourself? I mean, be honest. If you had the chance to walk by my computer and take all the answers for the test, you get an absolute 100, you wouldn't be tempted at all if you thought you could get away with it. I mean, imagine you get into a car wreck and you had the ring. You know that if you put on the ring after this car wreck, you put on the ring and you wouldn't get in trouble for the car wreck at all. No high insurance rates, nothing. You trying to tell me that you wouldn't put on the ring? Shoot, if you had the ring, you can go get a new car. If you want to worry about paying for a new one, you want to worry about paying for the old one, you can go speeding around in your car to protect your interests, even at the cost of somebody else. You say you wouldn't? I think you might. And I say this because you already do things to your advantage, even at the cost of other people. You speed around the highway, you pass them, you put other people in danger. If for another reason that you get to your workplace, a couple minutes sooner. People do this already, they already pursue their own interests, even at the cost of others. And Glaucon knows this. This is his point. He thinks that you would serve your own interests first, if you had the ring. Because even in cases where you don't have the ring, you already serve your own interests first. And you serve your own interests first, even at the cost of others. I mean, imagine there's life changing money in front of you. And you had the ring. You could take that money. Nobody would track you down. Nobody would know who did it. Your life could be completely turned around. You're trying to tell me you would be at least a little tempted to take that money and run? To go change your life? And yeah, even in the case of hurting someone, you're trying to tell me there's nobody that's wronged you. So badly that you wouldn't mind giving that personal payback if you couldn't get caught? So Glaucon thinks you already agree with him that you should look out for your own interests first. And the reason why you should look out for your own interests is because you already do. When it comes to a choice between serving your own interests first, or to consider other people's interests as important as your own, in life, you already take that ring and put it on. When you have the chance, you try to get away with it.