 I found MIC in 2020, June. Best decision of my life so far. And I've been an MIC member for a year. The best decision of my life. That's awesome man. My name is Jack. I trade large caps. Oh so you travel far too? Yeah, 6 hours drive. Left house at 2 am. Yeah but thank you so much for the speed up. I've been a member for 2 months. Seattle area. Yeah so your driving video is what made me decide to join. Yes I'm with the next gents over here. Tell us about your group. Yeah absolutely. So all these young guys right here were the next-gen traders. We're all under 20 but I've been with MIC for about 8 months now, joined in May and never looked back. That's the power of the club man. You and all these boys making friends and reliking in there, BB to get a shoot and shit, learning that there's other traders out there. It's huge man. This is why we did this. Yeah I mean half these guys just met them in MIC. Brother I haven't met half my moderators in person. But when we do we're best friends right? Yeah. That's how it goes man. That's how it goes. These guys are like barbecuing. This morning they were like hiking. They went to the Hollywood sign. Obviously everybody here knows how amazing MIC is but you know United messed up my flight. Bow here. They paid for my hotel for Thursday night for no reason. Just offered it. So that's like it has nothing to do with me but it's just that is what MIC is about and it means so much. Just caring about the members and putting people first. We need an over 40 plus. Where's the old kids? We're all old. I like to shot on top and call on a break out. Where are you from? I'm from Vietnam originally. I swim over here. I'm just kidding. We've all been through dark times and I could relay a lot to that. Thank you. Thank you guys. Cool man. You're on your way buddy. So that's exactly it. So look around guys and don't be discouraged because you know what man. The thing that I want you guys to take away today. This is the most important thing that I learned in my life. Anything. Guys it's you versus you. Fuck Twitter dude. Anybody can make money. They can post huge. You guys have to understand man. You're not versus Alex. Alex is not versus me. Look when Samuel looks in the mirror Samuel needs to say how can I be better than I was yesterday. In anything you do but specifically trading and if you read Twitter all day you're going to compare yourself and you're going to destroy that mental state. You need to make this mental Kryptonian armor. It's in here. If you think you can't do it you can't. You think you can do it you can't. But that's what he was saying. It's all fucking mental. I don't care what you look like. He could be the best trader of five years right now. Yeah. Would you assume that maybe not? Maybe not. Look if you have this perceived notion of maybe it looks like Alex got a big old beard. He's going to trade it. There's no prerequisites except just be better and be humble. We're just people man. We're just doing the best we can with what we're given right. Just click buttons. We got to have a work ethic. Cut the loss. Cut the loss man. Obviously we can go through the technicals and stuff but at the end of the day man you got to believe in yourself. You got to put in a work ethic and you got to stop reading all the bullshit in the noise. They're blinders right. To you versus you that's it. One last thing I want to say is to treat it like a business man. If you want to make more money than a doctor. Work dude. You got to work for it. What's the videos? You got to work for it. This is not easy bro. It's not meant to be easy. If it was easy I'd have an island and he'd have a fucking plane. I thought you do have an island. But that's the thing guys. Treat it like a business. When I first started I treated it like a business. If you treat it like the casino it will be the casino right. If you're just fucking throwing trades or just trying to do it randomly or putting it on red or putting it on black there's now repeatable. You can't make money doing that. So treat it like a business. Take it seriously. But the good thing is everyone here has already been through the downs. So talk about it. See what you guys could do to improve on it and enjoy yourselves. And if you haven't been through the downs yet we have man. We've been through the deepest, darkest pits of despair, depression, anxiety, P&L's. Learn from our structure. That's the point. The watch list. The curriculum. If you need help getting started. I'm your guy to help you get started because I- This is way bad bro. What's going on eBay? Thank you. Thank you man. I feel like I'm meeting rock stars. I'm extremely shy so for me to come up here right now I just need to do it now. I actually used to help run the National Space Defense Center. I actually left the government after 22 years because I fell in love with trading and I really can't thank all of you enough because the comments that you have on the website and after joining MIC I found my passion after doing defense for so long. I never thought that I'd be going in this direction. You guys have really made a big impact on my life and my kid's life. I even brought my daughter here. She knows what her favorite is low-hanging fruit. You know I just really feel like this is a family and for me to come all the way out here like this I hope that speak volume because everyone here means a lot to me and my family and thanks to Bao and Alex. It's just been an amazing journey. What's up everyone? This is Oren, a large cap swing mod. So happy to see you all. Glad we made this meet-up happen. So what Bao said that if you have something going on in your life that needs fixing do that and then come back to trading. Trading is all about touching buttons. So I tell people that I touch buttons to make money and they don't believe me and I treat the people in the pharmaceutical company the plan manager the same as the guy that picked up the trash. I respect everyone. I'm like the traveling moderator right like I travel all around Europe. Middle East I haven't been home. This is my first time in California you know a little over two years. I love traveling because I could meet different people learn about different cultures share you know experience with people. I love history. I love to learn about the countries and things to do there and MIC has gave me access to be able to do that. About three years ago I quit my full-time job and I just started trading two and a half years ago or so and I just started traveling. I just had a couple years saved up and I just left and you know without MIC I mean I probably could have made a good run for a year or so but I would have had to come back and get back to work so now bank accounts good. I'm at least out here another couple years traveling I mean so I go to a country I don't know anything about the country and then next thing you know I've got a local member like showing me you know everything about his country and we're hanging out having drinks having dinner so like for me it's really about being able to be social get to know people learn about their cultures and share with them and really connecting different countries and connecting the world and we do that through trading trading to me is just like a tool to be able to follow my passion and MIC is the way to get there so I would say be patient stick with MIC if you're not there yet give it time don't worry about the profits just worry about trading well and you'll get there eventually. I might have similar exits and entries to my mentor and who I look up to and who I want to be as a trader but like I have a completely different process than them so I think just not comparing yourself is huge and then another thing I don't know it's kind of like spiritual but like people always think about where they want to be in the future and it's like ideal future state and then they look at themselves and they're they're inferior to where they want to be and they're always like well I don't have that money I want to be here I'm not the trader that I want to be and when you keep telling yourself you're not who you want to be you won't be that person so yeah exactly so it's like start to tell yourself today that you already are that ideal future trader you want to be like you might not have the millions of dollars in your bank account but like that future tyler that's trading like he's going to be pretty disciplined he's going to be patient he's going to stick to his process it's like you can be that future desired self today and tell yourself today that you are the trader you want to be and then you'll recognize that you'll start to feel better when you're trading and when you feel better you'll start to stick to your rules you'll stick to your process you won't deviate you're not emotional and all of that stress comes from thinking that we're not where you want to be and that removes so much stress and I think with trading like we'll trade our best and we're not emotional when we're not stressed don't compare yourself to anyone else just compare yourself to where you are today feel good today and just know that like whatever you're doing today will get you to where you want to be but you just have to look at it today so I just wanted to thank Alex, Tosh, and Val for having everyone here and helping me and giving us a place where we can you know find a mentor and find someone that we can ask questions to and I'm excited to hopefully do the same for for all of you and everyone else yeah that's a good point because you know what you would have killed for 500 dollar things versus working at Starbucks and so that's the thing that's the thing that's the most traders because they forget that they used to want this that 500 bucks or whatever you was what made you happy why are you not happy now so sometimes you have to be like okay man my ego is preventing me from being happy you know my goal is just to fucking supplement my income for example whatever they be right and so imagine if you made an extra 200 bucks a day you would have been ecstatic and happy but you're not happy anymore is because when you got it you never you didn't really appreciate it because you look around you're like dude this other dumb ass makes more than money to me or whatever it may be because I'm like you're like more entitled now right so so that's why I always keep them up that's what Alex keeps the stack of dollars to remind them how much 100 bucks is and that's why I you know it's like for me as well like I go to Costco let me ask the right I go and I'm like holy fucking dude when I was a kid I couldn't buy any of this shit but now I could buy anything I fucking want but it didn't make me happy now who is that so it's like so you have to ground yourself and the moment that you're happy making 100 fucking dollars dude you don't have to pick a trash or do construction work like dude I was doing construction work eight years ago bro I was like I mean I'm pretty loud but I'm like really loud the thing is guys let me say it like this on more of a technical standpoint versus what we've been talking about motivation and getting to know who you are even if you came into MIC and you realize oh my god maybe trading's not for me learn how the stock market works stock market real estate and business ownership are the only real ways to through generational wealth and to get rich if you put your money in a bank it's going to lose value over time right you know inflation we talked about Fed raises whatever Alex gave a really good YouTube live on this recently if you don't know how the Fed works if you don't know how spy works you're going to learn that MIC this is not just day trading even though that's what most of us do most of us are after I long-term invest spies down 20% right now I threw in that's a great opportunity in my eyes that's not investment advice to do that but you're going to learn how the market works this is a wealth generator so you're going to get value in every way and the beautiful thing about this is and the reason why I brought this up is if you're stumbling in your trading right right now if you are and maybe you've given a really long time in a college boy tribe there's dividend investing there's long-term investing Joe does options dude I didn't know what an option was eight years into my career I was like Joe this is amazing I know options now because of Joe Kelly I was a trader for eight years me and Alex like now we know options Alex killed on Tesla that one day and options trading last minute options right Alex didn't you do some puts the point is guys I know there's a couple in this crowd it's just mathematically feasible right there's a couple in this crowd they're on the brink of maybe I want to give up trading it's very hard it's hard for some people especially the most emotional the fact me and Val were able to become traders is insane we're emotional fucking people dude he's the most but I'm right behind him Alex is a steady hand he's a stone of emotion that's his superpower that's not mine that's not mine I'm erratic so I love everything and you have to find what works for you so if you're in the brink of like you know what man trading is really hard maybe it's not for me give it another try in another form of the stock market you'll find something that works for you because if you just go work a job and put your money in the bank you're gonna get smoked you're gonna get smoked even knowing just that you can put your money in an index or a mutual fund or a spy is so much value it's worth an annual membership over a lifetime it's worth a lifetime membership I'm not trying to sell you guys okay that's not what I'm here to do what I'm saying is guys is I swear to God like don't go in with this predefined notion of I'm not Alex I'm a loser man you don't have to make that kind of money we created in my seat so the normal guy can maybe have a fighting chance to stop the job he hates going to he found out how to make $150 a day am I wrong am I wrong this is common sense this is what people will think about and every idiot on twitter is trying to program you that if you don't make Alex when you're a loser I don't make Alex money he's insane he's an astronomical anomaly in trading but if you get to any level of $150 200 days pretty easy when you've been doing it for a long time that's huge dude and it's something you love I love what same it was talking about earlier I love what a lot of you you guys were talking about earlier oh rinse kick and ass now you'll get there but don't judge yourself so strongly that because some guy on twitter because Alex is who Alex is anomaly of an anomaly that you're falling short you verse you and there's something that you're gonna identify with and it might not be short selling might not be long and first bounces maybe your spy investor you are now part of the stock market now is because maybe in my seat great we're not really credit takers for all super humble dudes whatever but this is a family but you guys are now introduced to the biggest wealth generator in our society next to real estate and business ownership there's a lot of people who don't want to do business they didn't go to accounting and there's a lot of people who look real estate man it's a lot it's a language in itself I almost bought an house like two months ago I was like I don't even want to deal with it man I throw my money and spy all my extra money just throwing us by make some money trading throwing us by that's what I like this is a perspective from the trader side so what I want to do is I want to have Cobra guys come and talk about the perspective of the broker side right here because they see they see the back end of what we all do so first off thank all of you guys for coming out it's amazing it's great to meet a lot of you guys in person that we talked with on chatter on the phone makes a great group we do get to work with a lot of amazing traders bound out of secluded we're investing you got success these guys are invested you got success our incentive is always to see you guys succeed in trading um so even if you don't have a Cobra account hopefully one day you're considering it and I know these may guys have your best interest in mind I can say that for sure so so what do you guys see on the broker end that a lot of traders are doing wrong that maybe you could kind of help them out on going full size in the pre market the dumbest thing you can do right people love doing it just you guys see everything they're the guys behind the screens that watch everyone's accounts right so they know exactly what people are doing wrong so that's why I wanted you guys to kind of come on here and explain what you guys see people doing wrong so that we all can learn from that and prove to them listen to these guys max loss max loss best thing yeah yeah max loss is badass really helpful sizing is everything if you can learn how to consistently make a hundred dollars like use an example you can scale that up make five hundred dollars make a thousand make ten thousand if you have a strategy that works again you can scale it takes discipline it takes time and one of the worst things that we see is when guys come in and blow up quick we hate to see that I mean uh the micro cap space that these guys traded is extremely volatile we of course have to mitigate a lot of risks on the back end for the firm itself there's a lot to learn from them and use the tools that you have at your availability like again if you have a Cobra account use that account max loss position max loss too you know you learn your own disciplines but that can really help in the meantime really help you build strategies that work and yeah we get to see high highs and low lows max size max loss no oversizing pre market wait a second those are gonna teach us those things who where did that come from so the same things that we talk about is the same things that they see on their end with traders trading 30 000 or 30 million you know what I'm saying and they got accounts at Cobra do with both of those yeah so if those guys are trading 30 million are doing the same things at 30 000 accounts do it that's your lesson to know what works and what doesn't work it's just happens guys it's just what works and what doesn't they know I mean they're the magician they're like the magician we're just the guy watching them they know everything you know behind the back end that's what they're telling you yeah so if you guys see them asking questions maybe if you guys are different brokers talk to them I think they have special deals going on but yeah they're here to help you guys guys Cobra's awesome good pizza shirts if you guys want a mask come up here we'll throw you a mask can I get this to you sir man you want I'm just like you want mine yes of course okay man and so don't be afraid to come up and you know he came because we're noble people right and then look at me hiding you know to be honest right imagine if we didn't do this he may have never even thought about joining we'd be scared all you guys maybe there's how many people here do you want to eight of them are not in my team but those are not in my team members why don't you all gather here she's not a member she's like hey what are your rates what can you do the guy that delivered the pizza wanted to join as well for the first six months I was consistently profitable because you enter a trade with a plan you have a level that you kind of set as like your confidence level okay if it hits here you know I'm going to be out or you know you give a little tolerance or threshold it's all about being aware of what could happen having a plan plan a plan b and really sticking to it and uh I gotta say you know you guys are amazing at what you do you guys are humble you guys are consistent and reinforce good habits so I'm just out here really just want to thank you guys and all the mentors moderators so the best thing in my opinion has always been to get other people who is at your level or starting whatever explains you what they did to get through that next step maybe you don't even know how to place an order and no even everyone assumed that you know how to place an order and so we bypass that because we think we take it for granted for example right and so when these guys are asking me how do you how do you place an order on the offer because they double these guys don't even know you so I mean like sometimes we take it for granted like that but other rooms that are pumping up room they they want you to slam the bed they're using macros and whatever the hell it might be right and so come up here tell your story of your struggles and what and how you overcame that and I guarantee you to do that you have to realize that who said you know a lot more than you think your win could be you know multiples um before you enter out and so even though your win rate is 30% you're you're gonna you know your games are gonna be before I started trading you know I don't even know where to start but they give you a path you want to be long you want to be short and you see the different traders in the different stages of their lives maybe they've they've gone through things that you've already went through they're going through things that you have gone through but usually it's the other way around and you see all the different traders in their path see the path you know what I mean like MIC gives you that roadmap to success really you know I I was long joined MIC and I was short once I learned how to short I was even better long so no I'm long it's all because of MIC about replacing income just give you a background I've been a data analyst a financial analyst data quality for fortune 500 companies for the last maybe 18 20 years I wasn't really happy working for a company so I wanted to branch out on my own and make money and it was really difficult I was into data it was very hard to read the charts so I was watching Bao's videos Alex's videos a lot of free good content learned a lot from that and now I joined MIC about two months ago I learned from everyone I can but MIC definitely solid and I learned it after being in trading for several years so I could distinguish the real deal versus not so much real and definitely MIC is the real deal that I love Alex's watchlist I wanted to say that what I realized for me what works is that until I become a good trader I don't consider myself a good trader although I don't lose much I decided to have a side income which was hard for me to do so I learned my build I paid off all my credit cards everything paid off my cars everything and that's my way of staying afloat I don't need to make much money to be successful and if I prove that over time that I can be consistent so I just wanted to share my experience I'll just put on the spot if you're pressured by financial things and so if you want to really make it to your career lower your bills until you make enough money because if you keep up with this lifestyle unnecessary fancy cars going out to dinner going to bars whatever you will not succeed the reason he's exceeding because he has no financial pressure and one last thing guys I was making like around 100 000 or so right at my job but I ended up with maybe like 60% of that I realized I'm gonna make I'm making much less and I have my expenses high I end up making same kind of money yeah oh yeah quality life there's not two ways about it man like quality life I started MIC like two months ago I discovered the whole deal through Alex on his youtube videos they were very helpful thank you so much I have joined like over five chat rooms and when I joined these guys it just clicked the first time when I heard the low-hanging fruits go get a job you have to cancel the emotional factor before you can be a sustainable trader because oftentimes I will see the setup there but I can't press the button I don't I don't want to lose money we want to cancel the the emotional factor first I would consider the education to be like 30 max with a practice you would get better but 70 at least will be emotional yeah because if I trade with the with one share I mean I can keep adding till 100 bucks with no panicking but I have done that on a stock called the acy if you guys remember it skipped on me all the way to 28 I ended up cutting on the top it it skipped to 38 and then they they like it was t12 or something and then resume that 16 bucks that was a big lesson to not add to losers don't fight the trend focus on the low-hanging fruits thank you so much guys there's a dip a toad in the crocodile get your whole body man anybody else I've done that and so it was relatable and so I'll tell you man the more you hear that you the more you you become a better trader because you're like I thought I was the only idiot I did that are you still eating um do you guys have any questions does anybody have questions for us directly as a group if this is the questionnaire part like ask whatever you want you have people that make this for a living ask questions you I know you have questions the one thing I'll add before you ask Chris to show is uh what my man was talking about over here is I took 35 thousand dollars in debt to start my trading career on credit cards I was 22 at the time with no fucking money man I was working construction but I'm ballsy I take big risks I I've always shot from the hip that's how I my dad's like I guess I got it the level of fucking stress that I almost got sick because you got to get your life right first and that's the best thing vows ever taught in 20 years is if you trade it's called a barrier to entry right getting started anything the barrier to entry and trading is you need some money but you need a mindset too so if you go in with debt and your life isn't right you fight with your girlfriend you got a beat-up car that you can't even afford that car the last thing you should do is be worrying about trading this doesn't necessarily mean education you can still get an m i c membership still learn on the side my god it's still like getting a real estate book and learn a real estate you don't have to act on it yet though and provide that pressure yourself so if I could go back in time by the kid by the son at 10 he's or whatever 17 when I was 22 and he's like hey I want to get started in trading sure get an educational course don't act on it but a simulator don't go into debt get your life right I built years of bad habits I was trying to trade it from underwater I'm still dealing with those bad habits you start with someone like Alex treats like a business for a minute one half the money to do so etc etc that's gonna develop really different habits and when you know anything about habits when you have it's not hard to break to get your life right first doesn't mean you can't get in a course somewhere whatever hopefully it's in my seat you like him I see get a simulator take a slow and then once you get some money now you can really try but man to start backwards you're gonna go backwards I'm not very good yet with market cycles everything else as far as what I'm gonna which methodology I'm gonna apply my trading uh so and so I was wondering uh with the watch list or are you guys uh applying you probably just do this automatically without thinking about it but are you kind of applying some of the market cycle into uh what's your preference for the day whether you're going to be doing the low hanging fruit first red day obviously if we see those kind of jumping on that but really what I'm asking is your method for the day are you kind of focusing on that on that as far as what cycle we're in how the market's doing with what you're going to be doing along in our shorting because I know you guys do both the problem is you you're too worried about the watch list on that and you and during this time you were lazy not to learn another strategy and so what happens is if you're stuck to doing one thing and that one thing is no longer valid you're fucked so the problem is not that one thing it's the fact that you know what it's like you had all this time to prepare for this shit but you assume that's what happened so this is what happens when these guys can't do anything else except that one one way to do it okay and so I I'm able to do I do well because I don't rely just on one thing and and so I'm able to do the first bounce when things are going crazy I lost a lot on the short side because I had to go along now I can go short but when you go along but eventually markets come back where it could be a popping up but the AMC comes back the game stock I mean the shorts are getting killed if you can only short you're dead makes sense during that time all along it's fucking easy money but now it's completely opposite and that's why you're like oh fuck I don't know what to do so remember me in the room I will tell you guys when things are fucking slow start to learn new things and so when is when can you learn new things only when things are slow and so so crying there's nothing you this is your opportunity to learn a new thing or to see they're doing absolutely jack skin waiting for you know and so I want all you guys and be able to learn both sides you don't have to trade short you don't have to trade long but just the moment that you start learning how do you know you're not better at short short seller than along you know there's cycles in the market there's times where short sellers really have to sit on the bench and there's times where long traders really have to sit on the bench right now the markets everybody's scared of Putin going into you know creating you know like Russia and things like that and Biden or whatever politically it doesn't matter but maybe there's a lack of opportunity in small caps options guys this is a funny story because like we had to fact check it if it was real it was so great like because you know we want to make sure it's legit before we promote it um because this is huge when you trade options you can trade with a much smaller account I don't know if you guys know that so we had a member start with uh Stephen where are you at? Stephen's? Is Stephen still here? I think it was one of Stephen's oh Stephen's back there I think it was one of Stephen's guys dude the guy came in MIC with $1,300 I didn't even know this was possible myself turning 70k with options is that nuts like dude we had to fact check this guy and and maybe it was because the small cap market was so but that's an opportunity you know what I mean you're taking the video you're trading I'm telling you this is a good point because uh with options there is no pattern day trader rule you can fucking scout all day long as long as you want right and so a smaller account and so so those are the ads that you have a small account maybe you try different things so like you're like oh like there's nothing that bounces but I'm like are you just relying on that one easy ass setup and if it doesn't come you're fucked you know what I'm saying so during that time you can learn all this stuff like the guy it was option the reason he did that because he only had 1300 fucking dollars yeah his resources were a little bit on the smaller side didn't mean there was an opportunity to learn something you yeah instead of waiting but now what happens is okay he's made all this money and I hope he's still alive you make all the money you don't necessarily know even unless you learn so it's kind of like okay maybe he became successful because his hands were tied he he cannot lose and so him being able to only make one trade a week because only 1300 fucking dollars is the reason why he's more selected and he's winning yes seriously and maybe like the moment he has now 70 thousand dollars he's gonna make tons of mistakes because he thinks that he could get away with it but the reason he's successful before because he was so focused the point of the options is there's always movement in the market so if small caps are dead every now and then it happens but you know we still trade them like but okay if you're trading one trade in a day versus a normal day fell by six trade 15 trade nice channel trainer maybe you don't have that that day a couple trades a week especially if you trade like our moderator bear who hits really high and low and just keep it simple like bow said when it's slow that is your opportunity to learn something new when the small cap market is slow I'm in the large cap room just watching learning seeing how I could adapt doesn't mean that I'm going to go full size like I do on small caps but that is my opportunity that is my time to learn something new so just keep it simple you could learn options you could learn this learn that but when it's slow use that time to catch up on all the other things that you missed out on like what we went along during the crazy days where we were too scared to we had no choice but you need to learn one right you don't start in 12th grade for a reason you start on first grade so you need to learn one thing first sanders what talking earlier like one hour like he hasn't been trading a lot why because to me I told him I congratulate him because if he's not trading a lot that means that it's not he's not hitting his lines and if he's not hitting his line he's not trading so his discipline that's why I don't see Alex making hundred thousand dollars every day consistently because he doesn't find something that is in within what he likes so I told Sanders hey man really good because that takes discipline and trading is all about discipline if you don't have discipline in your life you're supposed to do that okay so it's like yeah you're exactly right you have to learn one strategy become good with it but once you learn that one strategy don't don't rely on that only one strategy that's the problem that's that's the thing makes sense you're so comfortable you're very good at that and now you're fucked you can't go you can't go short and for the next five years gonna be a recession and you're fucked if you cannot fucking go short and things don't fucking balance but you are so consistent that you're scared to to expand the playbook because you're lazy that's that's my point I'm so fucking lazy bro where these things are so easy to me and so it dried up like penny stocks dried up I had I fucking had to force myself to start trading Nasdaq stocks talking about OTC pink sheets which he killed it with the fanny may stop that's dead now and during that time I should have been fucking looking at all these other things because I thought it would never fucking end yeah and so like same thing with uh uh switch selling I thought I can store forever and then remember that AMC shit the meme stocks I'm like holy fuck dude two weeks two weeks if you're dead I'm fucking dying yeah I can't show anything so I've forced myself along two weeks for a long time and guys this doesn't even if he's more than two weeks dude that game's on no no that whole cycle was like at least two weeks it may have been a month do it a year the point is guys he's like when you learn something and the key thing is what Alex said he's in learning from Joe Kelly dude because Joe does full option he just does mostly small caps it's not you go gamble on something else because your first bounces aren't this week the cycle's over go learn dude we got a video library of a thousand videos I haven't even seen every video that we've ever turned out it's almost but there's so much maybe you know the point is the point is this doesn't mean go throw your mind directly but you can learn you can go back to school that's what I might see as a school well remember what you said you're like are you guys going to put a wash list for me to copy but during that time I was like you see what you're saying is like so now you did and that's and that's been telling is why in my opinion people are you don't learn we don't alert people on purpose you're forced to fucking learn otherwise you would be dependent and so we didn't put a watch this for so long because I'm scared that people would not learn if they just copy that fucking watch this guys if we did alerts hey we got it how to build a wash list and build your own wash list exactly if we did alerts in a live share screen every day you guys wouldn't have a work ethic you guys wouldn't make it compared to what we do now you may make it take a lot longer you'll build really fucking bad habits we do it for you people hit us up all the time okay I'll join this person because you don't live screen share every day we go okay we're actually breeding real fucking traders who think for themselves it's like getting into politics you just become a democrat or a republican just because your parents are you don't actually know what you stand for or what you like politically you see what you got to learn it it's the same thing man so it's like it's trial by do you got to do it so learn the process don't copy watch this use that watch this and learn how you came without watching that's the that's the thing that's when you're not trading study study something else because you look look look everybody over complicates training you can boil down a process dude every single day if I'm doing small caps it's an outer liner it's a death candle that's it once you learn the process it's actually simple you have time to learn something else but when you're trying to learn everything at once and you don't have an identity at first you're like oh shit now you're just overloaded commit to something get good at it then when you have time to learn something else branch the next thing but make some money first and get some consistency but but there's a lot to learn long-term investing swing trading options trading dividend investing small caps short selling long small caps short sign long big caps short big caps you've got a lot of options I check the watch list every day of course but the thing that I do is I make my own watch list before him hell yeah before and Alex posted it before anything I already have my lines my stock selection anything then when Alex poses his watch list I will use that to confirm my or to learn what he is doing differently so instead of just waking up at nine and you're playing off of Alex's watch list because then you're not learning to fight for yourself you're not learning to trade for yourself so instead make your own watch list then later learn off of what Alex is saying and Alex is watch list because that way you become dependent upon him if you do that you don't want to be dependent upon anybody even though they make it easy you don't want to do that so that's just a trick that I have learned to do is make your own before you ever look at Alex's to know whether or not you're really doing it right yourself and that's why I don't play a watch list out because if I play a watch this is how everyone's gonna call it my shit and Alex makes sense and so and so now he's like and they do it for you now that's what preventing you guys from from having to fucking do anything on your own you're a lazy you you just want to be food spend I mean it's food spend right it doesn't fucking lose the watch list alone is almost worth $500 a month if you want to go value but we provide that because we want you to have that guiding light you don't copy it do what Samuel does you create your own watch list and you see if you can do the lines and then if Alex's lines every day you match up with him you're learning you know how to do a watch list so the hardest thing to do is to educate someone we don't make much money in msc because we don't put out pump and dumps we don't do live share we don't do a fucking alert news alert service and so look at the Atlas group they're free they make a shit ton of fucking money and I mean as we get to like what the fuck the reason they do that is because they have no other choice and so for us we have a choice meaning like I wanted to really teach you guys to be self-sufficient those guys can never go out in public like we do because they will get killed they cause a lot of people lose their life savings right and so what do Alex and I want we have enough money so even because I'd rather be able to walk around and not have you guys try to stab you because I took your fucking last $200 right and none of those guys could ever be seen in public and so you guys have to understand like I love the fact you guys are here because you don't want to learn we're fucking way too fucking nice right like the watch list like I didn't I never want the watch list because I know what's going to happen is the fact that the reason we put the watch list and you will stop learning to do the watch list but we do that is because like I don't want I don't want you guys to have to lose all your fucking money trying to get to the point where you can build your own watch list so use that watch list to get to that point you know but so we're trying to find a fine line between giving you too much easy shit and causing you guys not to have to work on your own well and I and I know how to say it perfect it's called it it's like a trophy um James Freelander you guys James Freelander was a guy and I couldn't test this because I taught him Freelander first person so he was my tap partner because I really liked him he's a funny guy he's cracked funny Dave on when he was a part of M.I.C. um I would slip between tapers between those guys and those guys I just loved him their humor was the same as well we're watching we're 30 James came to M.I.C. and he's a huge mod now makes $2,000 a day probably two three cheese whatever it doesn't matter he made barely a hundred dollars a day when he first joined I got him on the phone every single day I said James I'm gonna guide you and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna show you what bow talk with Alex talking dude there's no coincidence that this fucking kid James Freelander had the best work ethic I've ever seen out of a member top 1% look at him now look at the kid now he's a he's a mini version of Alex and there's no coincidence that any member with their assault now watch every video or or the majority of what they're interested in so a first red game um a channel trade a death line short a low paper whatever whatever master something but there is no coincidence that all the members who make a decent amount of money make a living trading and stuff dude they work their balls up they watch every video we put on the subject James is the best example we have like for Tosh he's he's our fucking like one of the best friends right and I don't even share with him what I drink and in the beginning like what the fuck bow you could just throw me a bone throw me a fucking bone but I know that if I threw your bone it's not gonna help you because I'm like dude you would not be who you are today same thing with James same thing with everybody we can easily let's say like give you a play but then you're not gonna learn the process so remember I quote on like you can feed a man with a fish the one day or you can teach him to fucking fish for himself right my fishing pole exactly so that's that's the whole fucking shit so right now things fucking suck but it's kind of like look at where all the people that were forced to learn they now they're they can stand on their own feet well we hate saying shit like this because it sounds like food marketing but dude James was a he's a he's a guy who owns a haircut place before he joined MIC fro if you look at that average salary that's like maybe $80,000 he just bought an I8 it's like $200,000 beamer the point is he learned how to trade but he worked his nuts off and if you make it to easy on someone think about it man if you make it too easy on your friend that was not gonna help you feel the real fucking we can give you as many resources scans watch this whatever guys man if you gotta ask like what is VWAP when even Google's available I I trade between 9 30 and 10 30 but I wake up and start planning my trades I wake up early to help everyone else but if I did need to wake up early I could wake up around 8 a.m. so call from 8 a.m. to 10 30 called one hour to plan and one hour to trade but the executions are one hour yeah yeah yeah and the reason why Bow would walk away at 10 32 the reason why he doesn't is because he wants to stay and actually educate people on the rest of the trades for the rest of the day he wants to show how many trades are available all day but for me I learned that I lose money after 10 30 so I have to walk away I think I understand what you're trying to say because people think that oh we talk about oh you only work an hour day but the fact is you actually wake up at 8 so for an hour and a half you're doing this to so actually two and a half hours but only one hour one hour is the other hour and a half is the plan but the thing is do you see the plan is two and a half times longer than the actual execution that's the point I was really impressed by both of your strategies I'm a salesperson by nature so I'm always impressed with how people formulate their business I was really impressed with this two hour but I was highly impressed with your in and out all day because it wasn't until I saw that for myself for you that I was like I was like Anna you don't even gotta wait this guy is just getting 20 cents and he's like no no no I'm like no no no watch him I'm like he's just grabbing it that was the deal breaker that's because I've been practicing for 15 years you see so for Alex to be able to trade one hour and quit he needs to wake up at 8 which is an hour and a half before the market opens and so I think I totally understand what you're trying to come for because you're like you don't really trade only an hour we say we trade an hour but it's actually the trading to me is the planning to me that's the real trading is the fucking playing the rest yeah I can put my orders in I'm fucking walking away so for me how long can I trade five minutes it takes me five minutes to execute my fancy orders I'm done but the real train for me is waking up at 8 a.m. and and planning that's to me is the real training makes sense money's made technically in the first 20 minutes of execution he only needs 20 minutes today bounty is arguably five because he's the fantasy order king it's the free plan it's the free plan big charts.com sec filings overhead go to Dawson replay the day the last time it's ran what did it do seed price history does history repeat itself for today that is shit you need to put you need a blueprint going in but the execution could be anywhere from five minutes to an hour but we cut it off except now who says there might be someone in this in this group who has a job in the morning who can only trade in the middle of the day he's for that guy doesn't need $300 a scalp in the middle of the day made 8k in the morning first 10 minutes the thing is easy for those guys so for me I mean if you take your 20 cents that's 200 bucks where it may be and for most people that's fucking great but the problem is this so that may not be enough for you to support your family you quit your job and so to get to that point where I have to keep staying around to keep doing more than that it makes sense and the thing that you understand is the fact that hey man uh what is the realistic goal is it to make three million dollars or to make 200 bucks a day if your goal is to make 200 bucks a day you don't need the perfect fucking a plus fucking setup you just need to make your fucking 20 cents and get the fuck out let's go to work we're 200 a day it doesn't matter and this is what my next IG live it's gonna be about like all these guys are popping up and doing the the rr like risk reward I'm gonna hold the shit all fucking day makes sense and I'm telling you those guys are arrogant as hell because they how about how's it they didn't understand that they went through years of losing their ass and now they find success and they want to show off to the fucking world but the problem is this the problem is if you start they didn't start out no one starts out train like the way they do there's no way the bear had been talking to me for five years and so in order for him to be able to to do those things he's he's he's got enough money and he got to the point where he can go through three trades five trades and lose all day and not be discouraged so if you're starting out training for the first time you need to pick the easiest strategy which is the one-on-one risk-free ratio 90% win rate because that's going to motivate you more imagine if you do 3 to 141 and you lose three times in a row you're gonna be just so just fucking courage right you're gonna give up but if you keep making these hundred dollars cows which is a 90% risk reward you're like damn i can do this and then the moment that you learn more then you can expand to more avenues but you will never ever even get to the point where where you get that opportunity because you've already been defeated by this man i see these guys on a 4 to 1 risk reward and i'm like i'm losing three times in a row and you never make it to the fourth one that you will make money on so you need to as a new trader to be rewarded all the time with hey i did a good fucking job because you're you're so insecure that you don't know what's a good job what's done and the only way to be reassured is if the market is telling you you make money three out of four times and you're like damn i know what i'm doing imagine the 41 risk reward guys they only need that one winner but they're not discouraged because they lose the first three times but you will if you're a beginning trader it's like win ratios guys it's like look you gotta have a 97 win rate he goes through amateur ranks he's fighting other amateur if if Mike Tyson did go through the amateur ranks and he goes pinning against a professional he would get knocked down to be discouraged he would be having a 0 and 12 record so you have to put yourself in a position where you're not going to get discouraged and you have you must get the easy wins first success you're trying to skip steps and trying to fight a fucking level 25 dragon and you got a fucking like no close no armor on that that's the one thing like i'm always looking for an analogy outside of trading so you can really realize how everything's symbolic right you guys know the fighter jake paul for god's sakes alex makes money unlike almost everybody does dude jake paul was this fucking youtuber kid he came in like boxing and picked up these guys are making fun of our strategies and the reason they found our strategies is because alex basically that has no stress in making all this kind of money right and so you don't see them posting any of the charts no that shit and i i shy away from posting a pinot but i showed i posed charts and so with a small trading account i want to show them that don't this year with that 25 000 i doubled like leveling up like if you're just starting out guys man you have to realize that these guys been trained for a long ass time to get to where they are and i see some of you guys going way faster than you need to go and and that's what screws do you up a lot because you you are trying so when i say no offense to the young kids i see them posting like two to five two to five years i would be worth 10 million bucks and i'm like bro when you when you do that you already fucked yourself because what you you you you're trying to jump the gun and you're not and you're not going through the process of fucking getting to that point it's like jake paul you know that that guy he's fighting old men wrestlers and retire guide it's brilliant stock selection fighter selection get some momentum get some confidence and if you are talking about making two million ten million dollars in the next couple years and your 18 years old is just starting out you see what happens you are now doing things which is not you you you're pretending to know a lot of these things you're pretending that you know like like so i see a lot of people switching those which we work kind of thing holding fucking all day shit and i'm like dude man you understand that is very hard to fucking do that and be encouraged to keep going okay take your fucking money every fucking day because in order for you to get to that which we were thinking you have to have a bankroll you have to be okay with taking max losses across fucking four days in a row and be okay with it and and bear he is like dude he he even says you play the call dude you play in halo and you get a kill that gives you dopamine kick when you do something look we're not knocking bear strategy you know he's a moderate he's great at what he does it's very advanced because when you start and you see 10 first bounces in a day and you try three of them and you get one or two have a win it's like it tells you that something you're doing is starting this is a great point okay and this is the same thing with slot machines the blatant lies give you satisfaction that they'll put me and what they do is like they know that they're gonna take they can take all your money but if they take all your money too quickly you we would never come back again except so they take three percent of your money for the rest of your fucking life right the edge on a slot machine is just four percent three percent they pay out 97 percent whatever the hell with me maybe right but if they make it too rigged they take all your money the first time you won't be a repeat customer they rather you be hooked for the rest of your life on this drug than to kill you that's what pharmaceuticals they don't want to kill you and they don't want to kill you either they want you to use their shit for the rest of your fucking life it's a business it's either cure me or kill me by the fucking right what about i i actually have a funny story for you guys so dude this is another thing you guys have no idea how blessed you are starting right now because nobody's fees even cobra where my cobra dude's at it's such small fees man so i've been trading like i think it's upwards of nine years to me and Alex's name dude i started a TD Ameritrade and i still use TD Ameritrade but for long-term investing in options outside of that don't daydream i started Tim Sykes nine years ago i was following and i market ordered on mobile i actually got good at that believe it or not like i never blew an account i never blood an account but i make a lot of money lose immediately dude one day one day you guys have no idea how lucky you are when my first year of trading i had seven hundred dollars in commissions from TD Ameritrade because it was ten dollars by ten dollars self seven hundred dollars in a TD Ameritrade commission because i'm in the beginning what do you do i need three cents i need three cents and you get it so i made twelve hundred dollars that day seven hundred gold commissions TD Ameritrade shit's free now you guys get dude dude invest in your education go slow nothing is get rich quick anything we do today we are not hyping you up like you're gonna make a lot of money we don't do that bullshit this is a career featuring like great he sold the rims off his car and said this is do or die after he blew his first count dude this is a career this is not a get rid you will not get rich quick overnight guys how many have blown up here so just be honest and i never blew up but my god did i believe for a while a lot of people right did you kind of think it was to get rich quick in the beginning like like be honest guys like yeah it was kind of get rich quick right that's all the crypto idiots right now but there's a lot of people making money in crypto there's a lot of people not because but the people that are making money in crypto know like they research right utility long term the guys that make want them turn a 64 000 bitcoin you know 150 it's now at 34 liquidated boom margin calls everywhere get rich quick doesn't work and this is why we call it a low hand tweak i do not purposely man you can either eat the fucking little ugly apple that's hanging every day or try to climb to the fucking right delicious shit and fall off and die yeah exist you guys seen a pomegranate tree you guys reach out and grab it at your island low hand fruit is the easiest trade that day like coconut you try to climb a palm tree so same thing with these trading strategies guys do the easy shit first some people are not happy with easy stuff that's for them most of us are happy making 200 500 bucks a day i got to the point where i make so much i'm not happy because everyone's different right so so i try to climb with a fucking highest fruit and i fucking fall off you know but the fact that i try for that is because i ate all the low hanging fruit for fucking 10 years and for me it's like i i try something and i'm thinking back like i should try to shit long time ago right imagine if i fucking was not a pussy i i could be killing it about that dude the funniest thing i've ever heard about say and actually after nine years of friendship or eight years of friendship whatever one of my best friends i just we just found this out on one of the webinars dude the only reason why he's pulling that up like seven million dollars in the spy after 20 years of trading is they fucked your over your 401k and then he had a sour taste in his mouth right didn't you see that you gotta tell the thing is this bad so i was i'm very good at you but i am too fucking scared and and so i was trading so consistently until one of my fucking dumbass breakfast friends was making a ton of money and then i'm like this motherfucker done it now and so he he got me to slowly increase my risk but the reason why he is now fucking driving an uber this guy used to make 50 000 a day but then it's all gambling whereas he laughed at me for making fucking 300 dollars a day back then every fucking day makes sense but so the thing is kind of like in order for you to be sustainable at that level you need to to build your fucking experience first imagine if the first time he has sex you're having sex with a porn star you would be so i would be so embarrassed because i he would basically master me the boy oh my god i would be so scared like i suck i suck so you have to level up safely with trading guys safe sex safe so i go with easy kills now they come to him what are the topics what happened we covered today seriously questions questions any question hit us so you want to come up this might be too much pressure you don't have to come up hey my name is also bow good to meet you know what it is all good to meet you guys you guys are like idols i followed you guys since like 2014 but uh my question is um like hard work and disciplines but you everybody says oh you see hard work discipline and maybe a little bit of smarts to be good at trading but you know that's not true cobra play toy that's not true too it's probably only like five to one percent of people that actually make it so like there's gotta be some sort of intangible something else there's a guiding light what do you think that is it separates the ones that make it and the ones that don't this bit this business you need a gyroscope in here that's telling you it's as much art as it is assigned you can know every dude i know some of the most technical guys in the world statistic data sheets excel everything they're terrible when they first start you're right here so much they'll overthink everything great with analytics go get a accounting job you'll be a master this this thing's an art it's not it's not like this man the reason why you're not able to do it is because you're not happy with with anything except the ultimate success so i'll give you an example everybody wants to be a millionaire right guys you know what the secret to be millionaires fucking study your ass off go to the fucking school and we still don't do that we fucking go drinking we don't we don't say money we do all this stuff make sense and so the reason why i could teach you make a hundred dollars a day guarantee but the moment you make a hundred dollars a day you're not happy you're not happy with that you're like it's like a hundred and two hundred it's like a thousand and ten thousand so the secret is be able to to humble yourself down to the point where when is enough enough think about you guys right now right you guys you you kids are you putting that going yourself in let's say you reach that you're fucked now you now you can never make less of me happy you all you will be miserable you you would make a hundred million be miserable but then you look you want to make a billion and so eventually you will crash because you know that you need to have an end you play trading there is no end and i tell alex all of a sudden you see my video it's a video game with no fucking ending your goals would make the highest score and i got the highest score at that point with that trade and i would and that killed me because i thought all my problems would go away the moment i fucking made that's million dollars in like four hours but when that made that it made me realize i'm holy shit i did all this shit and i'm still not fucking happy hey you got that Ferrari the same day though but no but no but by doing that it i'm like you now i'm pressured to fucking perform three million in one trade versus 1.6 yes correct so i want to add to something that you i came from Puerto Rico four years ago i didn't i'm not gonna say i lost everything but the house i can show you pictures where i used to live and i i came here with nothing i had 25 000 dollars in my backpack and and we started from zero and from there we started building up building up building up building up on so covid started then i started day trading full time but it wasn't negotiated it's a really intense negotiation with her because she didn't want me to they trade full time but i've been busting my balls for a year and a half working working working working so i have so much like i have enough money in order to trade and be sustainable if you trade and you need 200 dollars and you trade with those 200 dollars and at the end of that month if you lose that 200 dollars you can pay your car you're emotionally attached to that money so you should not be trading that money you should build a bank account it's doable it's doable i'm i'm i'm proof of that so i came from zero like i told you 25 000 six i six months before i get my my first job and then i started grinding grinding grinding grinding grinding until the point i am right now it's a matter of how you see it and i'm grateful every day when i join the community i've never been in another trading community i've i've known like a lot of stories of people that have gone three four i'm grateful that this was the first community i i came in the fact of the word community to me so important man because community is like family like you're building something together so that's why i'm in love with them with with these guys because it's not bullshit what they teach okay all right okay this one's better yeah uh i i consider about actually very lucky the way he's able to do he does vietnam on a boat cracker save this life sometimes that will instill some real inability in you to part with money and have this death grip on five dollars i don't gamble guys i don't fucking gamble if you are a gambler you need to remember your gambler and so if you're a gambler you don't fucking have a safety net you're scared put in a max daily loss have them fucking auto liquidate your shit i don't need to do that because i'm not going to put all my money in i already i i take all my money out like alice does every week you have to we do have a very very finite number of members that will use one share even they've been trading a couple years because they're so scared and here's what i say here's what i say whatever reason you're scared to risk money because there's a lot of people then there's a lot of not you know there's a lot of people that are not scared of risk money they tend to get there quicker read self-help books on what that fear is linked to that's an esoteric thing and this is more spiritual like me and cloudy to talk a lot about but you have to iron out why you can't risk money because if you can't risk money you can't do this career i'm sorry man i'm not here at bolshevik in in otc i had four million dollars in there the reason why i'm not scared is because i can never feel four million on the fucking yeah you're not gonna believe that one time i tried to trade google the same way leveraged out eight million dollars of a google position what the fuck am i fucking doing at the point is gambler is a very strong word very trading is not gambling guys it's not gambling you're not gambling but vows right it's it's like whatever you want to call it it's a rig game that's that's just semantics trading is a rig fucking game but the reason why i almost asked you to not fuck and lose every year you can bring the odds so exponentially in your favorite yes some poker players can do that they're professional gamblers i want to i want to tie it back to what you asked in the beginning is there a secret sauce if you're missing you know the formulas discipline you know the formulas hard work is there a secret sauce missing i would say the secret sauce is how bad do you want it right because everyone knows the formula to lose weight diet and exercise but everyone wants to find a weight loss pill you know the formula for trading discipline and hard work but are you sticking to a max loss a max size stop loss everything or are you going to be the guy says all right i know i should stop out here but i'm not gonna or i know i should be trading this setup or i'm not gonna so to answer your question it's a matter of you are you sticking to what you know the formula is or are you looking for that weight loss pill anything in life has risk right that's what it is that's what i was trying to say so when you start a business i used to work in real estate development i saw like people put their life savings into a restaurant that's to me like a lot of risk you know i mean that's restaurants are really risky when you go to college you're risking your betting that you'll get paid out more in the long run than your student debt will when you get married that's also a risk i mean you're risking everything you do in life is a risk to me this is no different there's a risk but you've got to learn how to manage it and you've got to be okay with it and comfortable with it and if you're not then you want to be risking less so it's really just about your comfort level but anything in in life you do you're gonna you're gonna risk there's gonna be risk professional risk because that is a very strong word gamble like gambler like a mad ass but every trade begins with predetermining your risk and then then you will never be scared again if you're scared of you lose this dollar this is not the right but i mean that's that's what i was saying if that's the case how do you how do you go to college or get married or buy a house or do anything everything's a risk everything has risk so like it's it's weird when i see people are scared to place a trade for five or ten bucks but then they're like buying a house so they're getting married they're and see even all i was saying is those are the guys that have the hardest time ever so now you have to get to the root of what is why why am i so scared to risk money in the stock market but i'm able to i mean if you go to a nice general real estate deal with no research like if you go to a nice restaurant restaurants have been 100 200 bucks you're you're actually risking that you'll like it it might be bad it might make you sick you don't know he reads yelp like crazy so he's like dude he lives on yelp well like everything has risk but the thing is like you know so example like i'm not scared of fucking gamble i'm actually scared of gambling i'm not scared of day trade i'm scared of gamble i am so scared of making a hundred dollars you see me on the casino i'm fucking shaking my head but then i i could go in millions of dollars in the stock that'd be fucking cool same but i'm scared to walk up to a random fucking girl i get rejected but taut no fucking problem you see everybody so so you know that's the thing he's like dude everybody's risk is different and you work with the parameter if i'm gonna pussy all the time i would have a girlfriend if taut is too scared to trade he will not make money so that's how it is so you find the balance and you you fill in the holes what you have to become gold risk that's it that's that's all that's as simple as what we were saying you have to become gold risk everybody risk you're a professional risk that's to i think in the risk is a risk in itself i mean flying a plane is a risk like anything you do is a risk another question yep they're coming more interesting um you guys say that how alex has like a super committed ability to be like emotionally neutral right so i want to ask you um like were you really like that from the beginning or did you develop that skill uh look at this demeanor man everything about alex is a cool rock but i mean that's what i've been for a very long time uh for as long as i can remember but trading no matter what is a very emotional game it's you're up and down a bunch of money whether it be $50 $50,000 you're up a bunch of money for me what keeps me calm is that i have a plan i know what i'm going to do if things go right and if things go wrong i have a strategy for when i'm going to take the profit and an eject button in case things go wrong so because i plan my trades because i'm prepared i have nothing to worry about so that kind of helps me it gives me an advantage on top but yeah zander i mean people are by nature more emotional than others you know that's just the but that was more emotional than me but still he's a fantastic trader because he plants he plans his trades yeah and like when you go through like a huge drawdown or maybe like a huge win streak where you're up a lot or down a lot like are you like emotionally stable or like like totally normal like you're not too excited you're not too depressed or when i first started trading i was excited i was emotional until i started to get used to it and it's like it's like okay let's say the first time you get drunk it's an amazing feeling you have no idea what's going on but after the 1000th time you kind of get used to it so trading is the same thing as you build up and get confidence and make wins the wins start to feel like a normal day and it should feel like a normal day yeah i expect to make money every single day see that mindset you guys hear that you're coming in like maybe you'll make money a little back if you don't score any touchdown when you score you celebrate you have the best tom babe he expects every he expects lebron james expects to kill it have you seen lebron james playing person it's insane he expects thank you that's good that's good i was talking with with steven earlier and what you were saying about like you know not having a goal of like you know three million or five million you know within the next couple years like i was talking with steven i said at the end of this year for the end of 2022 my only goal is i want to be able to travel like the lifestyle of steven we've been talking a lot that's what i want but on with that like people who do have those goals of like i want to make this amount of money in this amount of years or what not you know like you were saying that can be risky but for you like what you just said of i expect to make money every day you know like you have a mindset of you're going to be a winner type of thing so how do you balance that having the mindset of i'm going to be a winner i'm going to hit my goals the confidence but not um you know setting yourself up for trying to hit unrealistic goals and throw in too much money stuff like that did that make sense that's because like money don't money taking money markets doesn't matter because i could do it but what matters would be like when when things when you're insecure that's when the chip pucks up so when you're insecure you make the most like that so i'm insecure let's say i'm making a like uh i go online dating and i'm like i expect to get a lot of acceptance but i get nothing and so i put my Ferrari up and everybody's talking about i have val's trading level of confidence in bumble out so so think about this why are you giving yourself these goals it's because you it's it's fake bro but you see every big guy not so confident himself it's not confident the goals he's like dude i'm so good i'm gonna make money i have no goal that's that it will come it'll come if it doesn't come no big deal i think you can focus on the goals or you can focus on just make yourself as good as humanly possible that the goals just like are like yeah of course i'm gonna travel by the end of the year yeah awesome yeah i think that yeah so my my goal was just to get a bunch of likes on tinder but i got nothing that's what i'm trying to tell you so so if i came with the expectation of it's okay no one matches me and wants to go out with me and therefore other people will see that hey this guy's a normal guy he's a weird guy trying to be fake and trying to pretend and all that kind of stuff so when i see you posting that don't fence man i love this i didn't post it whoever does whoever does right whoever does this is what it is and so what happens when you do that it's like it's you put unnecessary pressure please yeah because it's a limitation even on good it's just a limitation i have to reach this wrong loser i have to reach the wrong loser yeah i've never had the money goal like i said my goal is travel i don't remember who posted the money but my thing is always i just want to travel because you know your happiness yeah yeah and okay i wanted to say this earlier when y'all are talking about happiness none of you mentioned anything about money steven wants to travel you have your family family like your happiness doesn't come from your money and i think that no amount of money that you get is going to bring you the joy that comes from inside knowing yourself being at peace so that was like really powerful for me is that nobody mentioned anything about money or how much money you need when it comes to your happiness and that's like so key for people who are going after that it's not about the money brother money things better it makes like easier but you could be a billionaire and be unhappy i know dude i know very rich people that are miserable i wouldn't trade lives with them in a minute and they are a thousand times my network that's the thing man well that's the reason i don't i don't care because i have the money but in order for you to get to the point of happiness you need to have a level of self-sufficiency financially yeah so that's also wrong everyone cares about money but how much is enough makes sense yeah but don't make someone sound like money's not important look money's the point money's the sixth sense that heightens the other five senses it is you can afford good food you can travel you can provide for your like it's important but if you're not happy now right in your life i'm not talking about everything there's always something great for you if you're not happy right now you'll not be happy with a hundred million dude i was happy when i fucking two thousand dollars my bank account in 18 was ecstatic i lived the life i love i still do so more money is great it's great you've got to find happiness in you if you guys ever stock market will never bring it directly if you guys ever see those documentaries on people that won the lottery and where are they now their lives are all screwed up yeah yeah win 18 million there was a famous story of a trash man waste management who worked waste management dude oh strippers that's what he spent all his money on now he's trash man again it's like like it's not outside of yourself it's in here dude are you a good person do you have morals do you like dude i love money like i try every day to make as much money as i can but i don't love money enough to screw over a person i would never make do you couldn't pay me a hundred million dollars to inconvenience a person but i love money i'll do whatever i can to make as much ethical money as i can like one of my favorite things looking at ethical companies for long term investing waste management one of the most ethical companies of all time i love that like they have good morals behind their objectives that makes me happy but what's important you know happiness is very subjective but money won't fucking bring it to it yeah it all depends it all depends on what kind of life you want to get that's what they think the consideration is that the winners in m i c have something to do besides trading definitely everybody how are you we talked like um two or three months ago he became an m i c member he tells me what do i do i i tell everyone the same thing you find out thank you for wearing your grown-up thank you so much he's so much fun the first time i had a conversation with him on the phone he calls me i answered he hangs up i call him back and he says i says i think you're trying to call me because oh you're a girl so i'm gonna stop i tell you oh my gosh we had a fun talk yeah what's your username on a deck call did we had a 30 minute talk didn't we you're so much fun we had a good time i remember that it was racing it was like two months ago it was oh my god i am having so much fun i kind of stay low because i haven't been real busy yet i got a little bit of a disaster from a prior program i'm trying to work my way out of a little bit too much uh credit spread grief on the rollovers but anyway we're getting through that and i'm looking forward to i i'm being portrayed this after i get through trading my relationship the morning the one thing i haven't heard people talking about here which i have for the stock trading business is you've got to have it in your gut the love of the market and the love of the learning and the challenges that you and there's so many different ways that you can attack this you can do options a little option you can do short you can do long you can do small cap the large cap all of this and it's all a huge mountain of learning and i don't know about all of you but i love that and if you don't have that fire in your belly if you're just doing it to make money go find the bus and go look for a girl that's that's actually my uh stepmom and the whole reason that i'm here today but i've been really wanting to answer your question um so i was working in restaurants when i was like 1718 so that that time that i would have gone to college i was making like in my mind like adult money you know i was making like pretty grand a year and i felt good about that because i saw my friends who were going to college and they were poor you know so i was able to buy the things i want and a few years later you know my friends start graduating college at like 24 25 and all of a sudden they're just getting plugged in to like double my salary like instantly uh so for me it was like then there were some years of frustration of like damn i made the wrong you know i made the wrong move whatever um and for me uh you know about four or five years ago i got out of the restaurant business uh got into a sales job started a company so i had i worked my way to a point now where i make college education money without a degree so if you want if you want money and you learn that way you're gonna make it regardless like they already said everything about being able to access everything on youtube uh funny enough what what i do now for a lot of my business is helping people not pay their student money so it's kind of ironic now that all works out um affiliate but what i what i will say because i wish somebody had like ingrained this in me um the because now i'm i'm 33 there's you know there's those very important years of your life that is forget the making money forget the like oh am i like if we're talking stanford or harvard you're not paying for the books you're paying for the people you're around for everything when they come when you level up with money you're paying for your surroundings you're paying for the people that you're sitting next to you want to sit in first class you're paying for who's next to you not a better cushion on the seat even though it is better but as far as college you can never you can never go back and buy that experience the you getting fucked up and passing out like the fun stuff the i forget all the educational stuff that experience during those years of your life when you make money later if you're in my position i wish i could buy that experience like i'm jealous of people that have like me like i have a lot of those yeah when he touched on it and he's like hey i'm pro like that like you will never talk to because i've had these discussions with my stepmom because she you know when i would make up those like god's too late for me to go like it's never too late but it is too late to have that those early 20s year like it's a different thing she went back strictly for the money the degree the hard work aspect like you can always do that but you can't go back and get those fun years so my suggestion would be and exactly the the education system is designed to create employees 100 so do not put i'll put it this way my brother is in the military and then he went straight in the military to to school i thought that he was doing really well all these years i'd see him on vacations i'm like i'm i'm stuck in the kitchen you know what i mean for the most part living paycheck to paycheck even though i had a nice jacket that you know that was what it was when i got into the debt resolution business my brother was like oh i i need your help and i pulled up his information and i found out my brother was a quarter million dollars in debt in student loan debt so if we talk present day i don't have a college education and i've got a four million dollar bank role he's got a quarter million dollars in debt so you can it's up to you where you're going to take it but that that experience you can't you can't go back with your 40 and like you'll be a creeper if you mean you can but you're not gonna like i wouldn't i wouldn't go that way you said right there you have to rest your life to grow the fuck up what i want to be a kid we can never go back being kids you have an opportunity that buddy can't buy a kid dude for 10 more years the moment you become an adult it sucks we got those socks what the hell you want to be trained right now you go fucking get drunk pass out i can't get drunk i'm looking silly getting drunk now that was it so what i would say is and don't and i'm not saying like oh just go blow have fun like it like balances you seem like you're very balanced and sharp for three or eight and like when you said the restaurant thing i'm like oh i'm like i just want to talk to this kid what i would suggest is go go to community college do everything you can't get every there's a lot of free money out there when it comes to education it's like oh let me fill out this three-page essay boom $5,000 grand yeah so do your education to get as much free money as possible go to community college so that you're surrounded you have the beautiful girls everywhere the girls are just as hot at community colleges they are i did both community college they're probably they're probably better there to be honest and the cool thing about that is then you're you're on the same level with you know you didn't put yourself say you've come from nothing and then you put yourself in debt to go to an hidey league school well you're surrounded by a bunch of rich people who have yachts and you don't have the ability to do all of that i'm not saying there isn't value from you know for doing that but i would say go to community college take as little students on debt as possible if you do get that they're gonna be called and and enjoy it and balance it but like they said the the job is what funds the trading like like i my trading if you know for a year it was between crypto and stocks whatever i crushed it for a year i didn't have that i wasn't using leverage or anything i was just if there was a five percent dip i bought in i wasn't greedy i made a couple hundred bucks and i got out and i just did that for a year until they dumped the market and i'm speaking for crypto mainly on oh for sure but they just dumped the market so all all i could do there it was just dollar cost average and hold so for me what i'm looking into why my why i'm here i was talking to my step mom about you know you doing some options and stuff like that so i'm like okay i see where i'm at now and i see like just how manipulated the market is all of it and i'm like okay rather than be like oh it's too manipulated i can't i'm like how do i change my strategy it's like shorting the market uh which that kind of seems like you know the safest place to be right now so that's that's kind of where i'm i'm intrigued to uh learn from you know learn from you guys and why she wanted to get me out here so i appreciate all the tidbits of them both but that was just something that was like really personal to me that i wish somebody dude i'm stoked that you guys stepped up that was really cool hey guys this is what we're talking about we're family we like you know what i mean okay let's do this