 Okay. Welcome everyone to this evening. I'm Andrew McKinnon. I'm here on behalf of the Faculty of Sciences and also the University of Adelaide. I'm actually in my normal job as I'm first year director of physics, so I look after most of the first year physics courses which includes quite a few. Just before we get too far into it, just a couple of things I like to do is just acknowledge the lands in which we meet. So we acknowledge the Ghana people, the original custodians of the Adelaide Plains and the land on which we meet today. Now, one very small thing to get out of the way to is a bit of housekeeping. If you do need to use the bathrooms, they're basically out the top of the stairs. There's signs showing you, leading you around. They're actually around the other side of the building. In case of an emergency and we need to evacuate, it's quite easy. We just go out the doors at the back and we assemble on the grass. The beautiful thing about that is because I've now told you what we do in case of an emergency, it should not happen. Well, that's the plan. Okay. A little bit of an overview. What we're going to be doing is we're going to be talking about some of the really cool things which are happening in science in particular in South Australia. We're also going to be talking about why would you study science? Why would you study University of Adelaide? We've also got a couple of real or several really interesting speakers. We've got Chris Pearman, who's the Director of Forensic SA, who's our keynote presenter. And then we have several present and past students. We have Jack, Grace, Zoe, and Remy. And they're going to be briefly talking about their sort of experience. We've also got a selection of staff from throughout the Faculty of Sciences. And what we'll actually be doing is we'll be at the end of this session. We'll be opening up to a big Q&A because I know a lot of people are going to have a lot of questions. Also, what we'll be doing is afterwards we'll then be sort of spreading out and you can ask a lot of individual one-on-one questions. So please get ready with any questions you might have. And we'll sort of just wait until the end because there will be quite a few. And the other thing, too, is if you sort of like walk out of here and you go, oh, my God, there was that question I forgot to ask. I'll also be giving some information about how you can get back in contact with us. So don't worry too much about that. Okay. I also would like to thank there's a few people who have actually travelled some distance to come here. So thank you very much for making the effort. And hopefully you do actually get something very good out of this evening. Okay. Now, just a little bit first talking about some of the science which is going on in South Australia and how it's really relevant to basically the studies that you can actually be doing here and also how the universe of Adelaide is involved with some of that stuff. Okay. Now, food security is one of the biggest issues. One of the biggest issues we're facing is a lot of big issues and science is good place to address a lot of those. We've actually got a couple of things going on. We have crop production in Australia. It's only about one and a half tonnes per hectare compared within Europe. Part of that's to do with the soil, the climate. And so there's a real need to actually develop a lot of really smart technology, smart ways to actually go about doing our culture. We've also got the fact that the urban sprawl has finally got to the stage that we can't sprawl any further. So we're going to have to be getting a lot smarter too with how we actually go about addressing the agricultural needs. We've also got a lot of waste issue. There's $4,000 per household, which is quite terrifying, which just gets wasted with food waste. You've got the University of Adelaide involved with CSRO and PERSA. They're actually looking at how can we actually reduce this weight? How can we mitigate some of this waste? You even got research which is going on with some of the alcoholic beverage companies where they're actually looking at, well, their waste, how could you actually produce some premium liquor out of that? So they're actually looking at what is their waste product? How can you actually refine it and make high-quality alcohol? Which is an interesting problem to actually solve. One thing too, which I must say, my area of expertise is atmospheric and ionospheric physics. So probably the one thing which I got super excited about was the announcement of the space agency. That's where there's going to be a huge growth in space-related technology. That covers not just launching satellites, but it's how you actually go about using that information, how you can actually use that to enrich so many things that are being done. We need to be able to have also the understanding of how can we actually predict what's going on in space because it really can affect what goes on at the ground. Solar events can have huge effects. You can basically knock out communication. You can have power stations fail. So having a really good understanding of what's going in the space and the space environment. And Universidad has got a rich history in that. And I like to think it's one of the reasons where we have on lot 14, which is just where the old RH building is, where the space agent's going to be. So it's a hugely exciting time to be, if you're interested in space, which I am. So it is a fantastic time. The medical research, we've got down the road one of the biggest conglomerations of medical research, which is undergoing in the southern hemisphere. We've got Samory II, and that's got some really cool, neat stuff. They've got proton accelerators, where they're going to be doing proton treatment, which is a way of you can actually target cancer. You can target cancer with incredible accuracy, minimizing danger or damage, I should say, to surrounding tissues. There's a lot of research in the University of Adelaide again, where we're on the leading edge of what's actually being done in that area. Energy and resources, it is, we understand that it's one of the big dilemmas we actually have worldwide is the fact that the energy shortage, we're trying to transition and progress into using renewable energies. And probably South Australia is one of the ones which has been at the leading edge. We've had a lot of investment, we've got listed there, you've got the French renewable energy companies invested 12 million dollars into a solar farm. We've got a lot of things ongoing. You've also got the fact too that University of Adelaide together with Alcoa is actually looking at how can they actually use some of that solar energy and refinement processes. So they're looking at some of the areas where we're using a huge amount of energy. How can we actually make that more efficient? It's a real challenge, how you can actually go about doing that. Now, when I sort of talk about careers in science, it's sort of like, well, why would I want to do a career in science? What can I actually get out of it? Well, that's one of the really cool things about why study science, because you get to study that's something that's really interesting. And you also get the skills. And I'm going to be talking more about the skills you can actually get. And they're the skills that are going to get you a job. They're the skills which employees want and employees need. We know that 75% of the fastest growing jobs or the fastest growing areas in South Australia need STEM, need the science. You've got the top five highest paying jobs are basically in South Australia in the STEM area. So science is one of the real driving things behind getting a good job, getting a job which was rewarding, getting a job that you're going to enjoy, getting a job that pays well. Okay, science is a really good way of going about doing that. This was there was a study that was done a couple of years ago by the Office of the Chief Scientist. And they basically sort of went out to employees and said, what skills do you want in the workforce? And these were the top five skills that employees said they wanted. They wanted active learning, critical thinking, complex and creative problem solving, interpersonal skills. And this is the thing is that that is what doing a degree in science gives you. It actually gives you those problem solving skills. So this is where if I look for my own area where you have physics graduates, what do they go off and do? And they end up in this huge range of occupation. So you'll find people who have gone through studying theoretical physics, they go work for the banks. And you might go, why, why would they do that? Because it's given them those problem solving skills, you know, going from modeling atomic particles doing all sorts of weird things to modeling finance, they get well paid doing it. You also get people will go off and they work for the spy agencies. I don't know exactly what they do. They can't tell me. But they go work for those. I do actually have a good friend. I still don't actually know what he does. And part of that is because with science, you get the skills of data analysis, how to think outside the square. And that's what you get employed. You get employed for the skills you'll actually get. So you're fine. A lot of cases, people will be studying something they love and they enjoy. And then they get these skills. And it's these sometimes they're called soft skills. But they're not actually really soft, I think really undermines them. They're actually the skills that are going to get you employed, which are going to end up leading to having a good job. Now, okay, the University of Adelaide. Why the University of Adelaide? It's got a rich history. It's also one of the big performers. It's basically student service wise. We are very proud of the level of student service we give, especially in the sciences. We put a lot of effort into doing what we can to help students. It's a really important thing because there is a transition we do understand going from high school to university, which can be quite challenging. 100% of our stem research is rated at or above well standard. Three of the biggest discoveries, the things that, you know, sort of like will go, wow, they were big moments where the Higgs boson. Has everyone heard of that? Discovering the Higgs boson, the God particle. The other thing was gravitational waves, which were detected really recently. Gravitational waves is a little bit like, you know, you can look at something with your eyes. You can listen to something with the ears. Gravitational waves are like a completely new way to sense the universe. And the last one is the source of these incredibly high energetic particles, which they could not explain. Okay, they're three of the biggest discoveries. Oops, I do apologise. I do tend to have a physics centric point of view of the world. Through the biggest discoveries, University of Adelaide is one of only two universities in the entire world who had researchers that would evolve of all three of those. Okay, that is a phenomenal thing. You actually have, we've actually had cases of, there was a girl who'd finished during her honors, and she got the chance to go across to America. And she was actually at the observatory working on the equipment when they discovered or detected the first gravitational wave. She is someone where they detected something which is like a big moment in history. And she was there. She just finished honors. Okay, she was a graduate student. So there's some fantastic opportunities. For science graduates, the University of Adelaide, we're the number one in satisfaction for science graduates. And we're the top 150 in the world. So of all the thousands and thousands of universities, the University of Adelaide is in the top 150. Okay, and we're easily the best in South Australia for science. Okay, now, what I'd like to do is I'd like to introduce Chris Peerman, who's the director of Forensic SA. Now, Forensic SA, it basically provides an independent scientific and pathology service to the justice system of South Australia in the disciplines of biology, chemistry, pathology, and toxology. A lot of sciences, a lot ofologies happening there. Okay, Chris has over 30 years experience in forensic science as a practitioner and administrator. He is chair of NATAS Forensic Science Accreditation Advisory Committee and member of the executive of the senior managers of Australia and New Zealand Forensic Lab retreats. Okay, I'd like to hand over to Chris. So I'll have a small break. So thank you very much, Chris. Thanks very much, Andrew. So my background's in the natural sciences. And even though Andrew said that his background is in physics, I am going to support a number of the comments that he made. So regardless of what area of science you're interested in, I think a science degree is a valuable contribution to society. Now, Nicole gave me a number of questions that she thought I might like to answer. So just by way of introduction, how did I get into science? Why am I interested in science? And I think, for me, that was really shaped by my upbringing. I had a father who was a geology teacher, spent a lot of time in the Flinders Ranges, a lot of bushwalking. We spent our summer holidays at Port Elliot. And it was there that I developed a love for the ocean. I still remember the first time I went snorkeling, it was one of those great Port Elliot summers days, cloudy, cold, windy, wet. Water was dirty, but I still remember diving under the water and just appreciating the tranquility, peacefulness of being underwater. And even though the water was dirty, you could see the little fish and the sand and rocks and the algae. And I thought, wow, that's fantastic. So I spent the first 20 years of my life wanting to be a marine biologist, studied botanical zoology here at Adelaide University. And I thought I'd go up to James Cook University and do some postgraduate study in marine biology. But I might take a break before I do that. And I was speaking to one of the professors here, and he told me about a job in the police department working in their forensic area. And so that'll be interesting. I might do that for a couple of years. And many, many years later, I'm still doing that. So one of the pieces of advice I would like to give students is to never pass up an opportunity. And I'll come back to that a bit later on. What do I enjoy about my work? I think what we do at Forensic Science is an applied science. So it's an analytical sciences. And we do get a lot of very cool instrumentation. So if you're a scientist and you enjoy fiddling with bits of cool kit, then it's a great, it's a great, it's a great job. So we're using often cutting edge instrumentation and methodologies. We do introduce, at Forensic Science SA, we've introduced a number of techniques far before many other places in the world. And so working in a well-funded laboratory is a lot of fun. And for everyone who works at Forensic Science, one of the things that everyone says about it is that you are able to make a difference to society on a daily basis. So unlike perhaps some other areas of science, scientific research where you could be working on a problem for many years, in our line of work, it's quite easy to see what you're doing on a daily basis and the people that that helps. And as I said, I think everyone at Forensic Science feels that as well. What do we look for employees? We look for two things, graduates who are good students, good academic record. And these days for a career, if you're working in science, then a postgraduate qualification. Now, just one of the things that Andrew was talking about, the five skills that employers talked about. The other thing that we look for, though, are people with those great, I was going to call them emotional intelligence skills, but those interpersonal skills. So we like people who are positive and enthusiastic, but also the necessity to be able to get on with other people. What we tend to do is we employ a number of people who have worked with us. So students who have done perhaps an honours or a PhD postgraduate study with us, or some form of work placement during their degree. When you read a CV, everyone works well in teams and everyone works well as self motivated. But that actually isn't the case. And so being able to see someone working in an organisation alongside your other staff members is as an employer invaluable. The other thing is these days is communication skills. So I think all sorts of scientists are being asked to justify and perhaps validate their work. Being able to sell your message, being able to convey to perhaps a sceptical audience the value of the work that you're doing, if you're after grant funding, or for us it's being able to communicate our results in court. Communication is invaluable. And a lot of universities, and I know Adelaide University does this as well, they have a concept called the three minute thesis where a student will have to get up and talk about their quite complex work, sell it to LA people within three minutes. And there are competitions around that as well. Why would you want to do a science degree? Well, I think Andrew made some great points around that as well. My three points were most of the, a lot of the future jobs will be based in science. If you look at things like artificial intelligence, nanotechnology, biomedical science. And Andrew spoke about the mouth biomedical precinct down its North Terrace. All of the work in the digital economy, it's all based on science. And even if you're not working in the area, being able to understand the science would set you up well. Science is required to solve all of the world's problems, Andrew spoke about food production. I mean, we've got climate, climate change. Food production was another one of my points. I've lost them. I've lost my food one, sorry. But the world's problems, you know, cynics might say that, well, that's good because science created those problems. But it's also necessary for science to solve those problems. And I think science also makes you better at your job. Andrew spoke about all of those, he called them soft skills that you learn, the analytical skills, problem solving skills, being able to think logically, being able to write well, communicate your results. And it doesn't really matter what job you are in. They are invaluable skills to an employer. Now, and just, Nicole was asking whether, do I have any advice for students about to embark on their education and career? So I think, as I said at the outset, never pass up an opportunity. Even if you've got a career path in mind, branching off to experience other things, all builds your skills, all builds your experience, looks good on your CV, and perhaps like me, you'll find a career that you never thought about. I think it's important not to think about going to university simply to get a degree. I'd like to think that you go to university to get an education and to learn, set yourself up for that career. So that means involving yourself in academic life, getting to know the post-grad students, seeing what they do. When you get a reading list for a particular lecture or a topic, then just don't read the compulsory stuff, read all of the side issues around it, talk to other people, really develop your knowledge. I spoke about industry placements, I know at large universities involved in university placements, I'd really encourage people to take up those options, you get to see other industries. But also you learn about how organisations work, those interactions with other people. But just get involved in the organisation, go along to morning tea, speak to people. We've got a very interesting student with us at the moment, so we take on a number of students, but we have a young woman with us from Adelaide University and she's got involved in all sorts of voluntary activities with our organisation. So she's one of perhaps 15 students we've got at the moment and as the director I know her on a personal basis because she talks to me when she sees me, we ask for volunteers, she's got a hand up. So she has really made an impression on our organisation and I think that's the sort of way I would encourage you to tackle any industry placements. My last point is don't let fear hold you back and I know this applies to a lot of people, particularly women, I know when people or particularly women look to apply for a job they go, I'm not going to apply for that because I can't do that and I haven't had experience in that and my advice is just to give it a go, you know you don't know how that might pan out and it's interesting because talk to a number of people in quite high, highly charged, high profile jobs and they all say most, there are a few people who don't suffer any kind of qualms at all, but most people say in their quieter moments they have this thing called the imposter syndrome, you wake up at two o'clock in the morning and you're going really am I really doing this job, how am I going to meet this problem in the morning, so that's everyone suffers from that, 95% of the world suffers from that and don't let that fear hold you back. Thank you Andrew. Thank you very much Chris. I too sometimes wonder what am I doing here and when will they realise I'm not supposed to be here, so that's fine. Now I'm going to ask Jack to talk to you all. Jack's he's just finished his BSc advanced and he's about to do an MFIL which he will find challenging Manikazani's supervisor, which isn't the reason why he's here. Okay, thanks Jack. Hi everyone, so as Andrew said my name's Jack and I just finished my degree studying physics, so I did a double major in experimental physics, theoretical physics. Something I really enjoyed about Adelaide is how well connected it was, I'll keep this brief. So in my final semester I actually did a research project at the Bureau of Meteorology, which for me is awesome because my interest in physics personally is climate and I want my career to move into sustainability and climate change. So already before I even finished my degree, I have a research project in sort of the field that I was interested in slash potentially a employer that I'd be looking to in the future was awesome and it just so happened that my supervisor at the Bureau knew someone else in Canberra for a scholarship that I was applying for and that helped me secure a position in getting a research scholarship for a month in Canberra, which I'm actually leaving for tomorrow. So I've got a lot of these awesome opportunities which have come out of studying here at Adelaide and I actually started in first year science and engineering and that's a nice thing about these degrees is that they're extremely flexible. I thought I wanted to do space when I first came to this degree and it was like yep spaceships that's where it's at and by about second year I realized that that's not what my passion was my passion was actually climate change and it was extremely easy to just move into that and it was in second year I started working with Andrew and yeah really realized how fun it was. So yeah I think that's probably where I'll leave it. Thank you. Next Grace, who's doing a Bachelor of Viticulture and Allianology. Hello, so my name's Grace. I am this year going into my fourth and final year of the Bachelor of Viticulture and Allianology, so sort of winemaking. So we are slightly different to a lot of the other science degrees because we are based out at the Wake campus but one of the great things I sort of found about the degree is first year you're here at North Terrace. So people often think you're going to miss out on the university life and the experience but trust me you don't. First year is all about going to all the events and getting idea of it all and using all the help services that are available to you before then moving to the Wake campus which is really, I don't think you haven't been, unusual spots would have plumped in the middle of the eastern suburbs and they have a winery on site, a vineyard and at that point you get to be really nice and hands-on at that site. One of the great things I found about Adelaide as well, I looked into all of the other degrees around the world that offered the same thing so places like Bordeaux and Chargent and I found that Adelaide offered one of the most research-based degrees so you have the opportunity to not just end up being a winemaker which a lot of the other degrees did sort of suggest, you can end up in the research field as well which is possibly what would be one of my interests, hence why I'm doing honours this year but we'll see how that goes. One of the other great things is they do offer study tours so you get to go to places like Switzerland and Spain, the US and all of that is kindly funded by the university which is always nice and you do get to do a lot of tastings, we do about four tastings a week at university which is very hard work as you can imagine and again that's all wine that you would not be able to access on a student budget so again great, great bonus. My degree is obviously very different sort of it's quite social, we have only probably 60 students each year that we sort of get to know so you do have really great friends that you get to meet again with sciences sometimes it can be quite intimidating but a lot of those friends come from first year and things like that. For me after my degree I think again one of the great things about viticulture is you get to travel and so I'll be scooting off somewhere elsewhere on the globe and getting paid to sort of work and make and drink wine which is also good yeah again it comes back to the it's a really really good highly recognised bachelor in this area so yeah that's me. Thanks Grace, Zoe. So greetings hi I am doing my honours just wrapping it up I was actually supposed to finish in November but as you are aware I've worked with animals and animals don't care about your schedule not at all and so I did my undergraduate in Bachelor of Animal Science which is based up at our Roseworthy campus and so for those of you that don't know where it is it's probably about 45 an hour north of up here around situated around Gaula and so we run a fully functional sheep stud cattle stud we've got pigs we've got chickens we've got pretty much any animal you can think of we've got it there somewhere if we've even got like fish they're kind of around the corner but they're still there and so I've chose to come to Adelaide because their animal subjects were more hands-on than the other ones that I've found in South Australia and so in first year in animal science and in vet science we're up at Roseworthy and so you get one day a week so on Thursdays you're up there you're doing something with the animals whether it's working with the pigs or talking to the alpacas you're doing something and so that's what's the main draw for me because I've come from a livestock background I still wanted to have the hands-on experience with my animals instead of going into a behavior degree where yes you can look at the animals and stuff but I still wanted to get in there and you know have a go at it and so probably the biggest thing that I can talk to you guys about is the Roseworthy campus one of the bonuses up there is free car parking that no no seriously like the biggest problem people have I talked to everyone they're like oh catching the train finding car parks at Roseworthy I was ten minutes away from campus or you can live on campus and there's not that not no problem and it's also you meet the staff and the faculty and it's just sort of a bit more laid back you can run into your lecturer in the cafe and just be like oh yeah I had a question for you you don't actually have to be intimidated and knock on their door you're just like can't wait hold up I'm here too and so it just you stop in say hey and it's a friendly easy-going atmosphere so oh and my with my project I managed to get a scholarship attached to it and so part of that scholarship I went to a number of industry functions and stuff and so I would go out to a show day or I would got sent to the Gold Coast I've been around to farms and I've pretty much been all around South Australia and up and down the Gold Coast and so what's really good is I managed to get some industry contacts and so that is I've got potential for two or three jobs once I finish up my degree so it's all if you have the opportunity there grab it talk to people don't be afraid come to events like this you never know who you'll see thanks Zoe okay now we're going to hear from Remy McGraw who's a recent graduate and is a process process technologist from Maine Farmer hello is it the titles a little bit fancy than what I actually do but my name is Remy and I literally just finished my degree in November and it was fabulous so I studied biomedical science here at the University of Adelaide and I made it in biochemistry and genetics so I came out of school and I was like oh my gosh what I want to do and I always gravitated towards the science and originally I thought I want to do medicine because that's where that's where I thought it kind of that's as good as it could get and that I love people and that's why I chose this degree because I chose this degree because I saw it as an opportunity to get into medicine later on which a lot of people actually end up doing but why I chose Adelaide here specifically was because I saw that the campus was amazing the opportunities here are amazing the extra curricula that they have whether it's your sports whatever but they also included just recently I did the women in STEM program which is awesome and you get to meet amazing people and have these programs that you can attend and functions and it was incredible but it was the extra curricula stuff that I knew I also needed later once I finished my degree because I knew at the end of the day my degree was amazing but it's what the else the university could provide me that would help me get a job and so I just kind of started university and it was amazing and I made some amazing friends along the way who I still keep in touch with and it's just it's an amazing opportunity the all the events that they have here on campus are very cool so anyway I finished this year and it got a bit daunting and yeah I finally managed to get a job which was awesome so I currently work at main farmer which for a lot of you is to be the old folding so it's out on main north road and I didn't really realize where I wanted to go with my career I changed about five times and that's the amazing thing about my biomedical science degree was because I knew that I didn't want to actually go into research I love science and I love it all but I knew that for me lab skills were not my best skill so I had to work out what else I was going to do and you can choose so many different things with especially my biomedical science degree I was looking at genetic counseling which is an option at other universities and yeah there's so many different things and then and I ended up here and I think my goal for the future now I don't really have goals because I changed my mind so often about what I wanted what I want to do so I just I just I'm taking any opportunity I can get and yeah it's amazing so guys thank you and remember you finished last year like it's just okay it was just funny because you go I finally got a job after a whole month of okay okay high expectations um okay now what I'm going to do is just go through some of the commonly asked questions so we know some of you might have a few questions so you know we will definitely give you an opportunity to ask lots of questions now when we talk about our degrees you often when you look up there you look and you think oh god that's really daunting that's that's overwhelming I don't know what to pick I know there are some people who had as their first preference first preference one of the name degrees and the name degrees that are a Bachelor of Science which has a focus in a particular area and you may have not quite got the ATAR you're hoping so you haven't yet heard anything yet now one thing which a lot of people don't realize is you can go into your normal BSC in Bachelor of Science and if you've done the right courses and you're going well you can transfer across into the name degree so you may have not got into the name degree yet in some cases it could be you didn't have the courses which were pre-rex which you can make up in a lot of cases but you can always transfer and that's one of the really cool things about a Bachelor of Science is once you got your foot in the door you can move around quite easily so for that in particularly for those who perhaps sort of went oh yeah I was hoping to get into space science national physics there are other things other than physics okay you can transfer across probably the one thing you want to make sure because I know some people have already enrolled and they've already picked what subjects you're doing you want to make or we actually call subjects at university we call them at Adelaide we call them courses so the terminology is one thing you need to get your head around to make sure you pick the right courses we're going to have some student advisors so Jill who's down the front won't be for long at the end should be up the back with an iPad so if you're not sure if you've picked the right courses because of course if you're going to transfer across you got to make sure you're doing the courses which are actually part of that name degree so definitely speak to us because we'd hate for you to then discover it semester two oops I'm supposed to be doing that in semester one okay so definitely ask questions now the other thing too is there's a lot of other things with majors and double majors the beautiful thing is you don't need to pick what you're going to do yet really what only defines your major is your sort of one of your areas of study is what you actually doing your third year so one of the great things about science is you don't need to decide you know you can actually change your mind as you're going along the other thing to which I want people to understand is that with preferences if you haven't got the preference that you would have liked don't worry yet there are a lot of other ways you can sort of approach it okay now this is the one thing you need to know that the first round of offers will basically email to the address which was on your sat hack application so if you've moved house hopefully you forwarded your address or it might have a little bit of trouble of getting to you you'll receive the offer for the highest preference that you qualify for okay now and there's a couple of different options you can actually do you connect you can accept that preference you can accept it and be open for more preferences you can sort of defer it be open for higher preferences or you can reject it and be open for higher preferences now the one thing I want to make sure you understand is that if you don't explicitly say that okay I'm going to accept it but I still want to be considered for other higher preferences we won't actually offer you a higher preference unless you do say that oh yeah I still do want to be included okay does that make sense for people who have accepted their preferences yet okay so that's got the six possible responses if you're happy with your offer or select accept if you get an offer for a lower preference you can still select accept that you wish to be considered for higher okay now the other thing too is there could be some people who didn't quite go as well as they would have liked in years 12 and they haven't actually gone in offer that didn't quite get the what the cutoff was now one thing which will actually be occurring is that we'll be actually looking at people who maybe didn't quite get the ATAR you needed but what courses did you do and so that's when we look in and if you for instance you know had done quite well with some science and mass courses but you picked something else that you didn't go that well and that's what dragged you down we'll actually look at you and we'll actually be organizing so do people need to contact us okay we'll be contacting you to arrange an interview like our appointment to come in so we'll actually talk about you because in a lot of cases it could actually be science is a place for you you just didn't quite pick the subjects which would have really shown what you capable of a year 12 so don't you know think it's the end of the world definitely the number one thing is definitely talk to us