 So we here at the ID Tech X show and who are you? I'm Tom Hrindelau from U-Cable Corporation. We manufacture and design fixed that fixable shielded cables. So you have these special cables here? Yes, and They look like this So I stored a new hat because had this good place to saw things. Yeah, so This is the cable. This is the cable like what can I do USB or something? Well, you can do it also USB, but it's for high power or high signal quality applications Depending on your desires, but this is flexible. No, this is flexible. Yeah Flexible and stretchable. Yeah. No, not too stretchable, but flexible. Okay 170 microns thick. It's really thick And this is a standard cable. It has a standard connector footprints and Standard length of 300 centimeters 500 millimeters 10 millimeters So so it's only for power and not for data or that that's for data data. Yes And for our division data is for one amp or less per trace We all says in there in this cable 16 and We also work with high power applications. So cable this size is we are now delivering cables of 20 amps to automotive industry So they are all we have cables and we design the cables for automotive And you have some different shapes here some different sizes or yes, and we also have the connector I will show this one is a connector. Yeah The connector in the middle of the cable. It's a middle of it's going to be two cables. Yeah, it's going to be two cables and that connector is manufactured with the same machines and Same materials and same properties than our cables So it's not external component. We manufacture it with the Cable manufacturing device one go. Yes. What's the manufacturing procedure We start we have in the wall. We have an illustration of this thing. Yes, we have different layers So we start with a PEG foil a Substrate where we have a copper we etched the copper Then we will screen print insulator Over that Then we will screen print shielding on both sides of the cable top and bottom So that's all these layers in one in one go. Yes. Yes one go and then magic stars. So we do Do we do holes and we do yes and we call it top and bottom to the two outer traces of the couple layer and then Because that's boring then we just put the print the cover lays in top Yeah, and bottom of the cable and we screen print the graphics for the user So you said the magic part you put on each side the step before what is that magic part is the connections So we will connect the top shielding to the this Outer trace and to bottom shielding So and we do it in one process in one process. This is done in one process All seven layers in one process flat flat flexible. You say micro 170 microns and it's our standard cable if you want to be thinner Yeah, we do an OEM cable. Do you have your cables in there? Yes We already deliver into automotive industry, but I have an example here what it would like So we have replaced in this car. This is RC car. We have replaced all these round cables which you can see here with the flat cables and These cables with the connectors weigh 24 grams and All these green flat cables they in total they weigh one gram. What do you say one gram one one gram So it's 24 grams one gram That's a big deal. It's a big deal. For example, if you are working in drones, it's a big issue When we scale this up the big bigger cars Regular car has Harness about 50 kilos of cable and we can manufacture that with the seven kilos of weight Because it's such a low weight Does that make it also resistant to all kinds of shocks and everything because it's not a lot of weight to move around No, actually this is better from better Because of the thickness of the cable the heat is Getting out better from the cable so we can run higher current How a power through the cable than from the round cable and more vibrations and vibrations are the problem because not a problem Not the problem. Yeah on this one and What other issues people have let's say when people make a rocket Yep, like the Falcon Heavy or when they make the Airbus airplanes. Yep This is good for that. Yes, if you save one kilogram in Airbus airplane weight In cabling it means that it will save 20 tons of kerosene in the lifetime of airplane How much does that cost? One with one kilo kerosene is about 32 cents Okay, so it's just about $320,000 per kilo. Yeah, I'm just just for one kilo and if you think about airplane How much there is cabling? I don't have it Well, I would able to tell the exact number But let's assume that there are several tons of cabling and if we save 70% of the weight and Each kilo will save about 20 tons of kerosene During the lifetime for airplane. It's a lot So every Airbus A320 Neo if they use your cables could be saving around 20 to 30 million dollars. I'm joking. I don't know if that's true But it could be. Well, I think your figure is a bit wrong. It should be closer to 70 or 90 million 70 or 90 million dollars Yes, so why is not everybody buying this right now? Are you mass production? We are now going to mass production. Yes on the standard cable and it's always well because We are now talking about flat cable. It's a bit different than a round cable. It's wide It's wider, but it's not thinner. They can fit that in all the designs. Yes And this change of paradigm Changes things because it requires new tools Really it requires new software tools for the engineers to design with work with they don't have the Tools in their toolbox yet how to cope with these flat cables because they have been working with the round cables And for example the pending radius of round cables. It was higher It's so it means that I'm not I'm not able to pin the round cable like this Round cable will break and in here. It's just a regular use for this cable So you can you can bend it so tightly and there's no problem Yep like this and what does that mean all the data and all the power goes through. Yes data and power Yes, that's all you need, right? Yes And because we have the shielding which is protecting from our applications from outside Radio frequencies and it's also guaranteeing that our application does not disturb the other applications for example in hospital environment if you have a Apparatus which work with this cable. It does not disturb the other applications around so People well people don't suffer You have meetings with Airbus. Yes With all the car companies. Yes No, not all there are so many car companies in the world, but we have a Is there any Finnish car company? Not not anymore in Finland in Finland. We do some subcontracting of Mercedes and but We don't have our any any more models of our own yet. So there has to be a problem, right? Something what is the problem? There's nothing wrong problem is sales It's it's not so cheap. No, but it's hard to find the right person to make a decision because idea is good product is solid But because price we are working with disruptive technology. We are replacing the existing Existing chains of action. So in Traditional car harness there are at minimum four companies one company making the connectors one company making the round cables one company making these Things which you hang the harness to and the fourth company putting it all together to create a harness and In our case all that happens in one machine in one location in one process It's disruptive. It's disruptive But it has to be reliable the cables are very important. Yes, if one cable breaks It's very hard to find out which cable wear fix it. Yes, so you have to make a hundred percent Yes, guaranteed that everything works. Yes. Do you have this or no? Yes, you have it Yes, so it's not like a no-brainer. Yeah, and the backs up backup solution is that because it's a very thin cable we can put adhesive tape for example in the background and That's installation media and if something is wrong with this cable If it's that we can put another cable In top of that so you can have a backup cable. Yeah, and you can put it over that first one and replace just Connect the new cable to the existing ones and it works it works Yeah, because we are still in very thin layers and weight reduction is so high That even two layers of this cabling is not a problem Is copper? Yeah, we are using copper as a conductor. Is that the standard for cables? Yes, everybody use copper. Yes, but there's some fiber optic cables also Yeah, when you use optical cables Is there fiber optic cables in airplanes and rockets or not? Yes. Yes, they are but that's different Yeah, but it depends on the application there. It's more complex issue I'm I'm I should not open that box of social issues. Yeah, but it's a it's a complex thing So we can also install here optical fibers in our cables. You can do that. Yes, of course. Not so flat Well With optical fibers, we are still talking about 40 micrometers Thickness and our cable the total thickness is 170 microns. So 40 microns is Because we have a 35 micron couple layer and the optical fiber is 40 microns So it's not that big difference. So I've seen you before the show, right? Yep, and it's called the electric We have two companies here. What is it the electric? My colleague will tell you about it. So what we do but because what are you doing the previous years you were showing? We have been showing Work of the electric anyway, for example, we have been talking about the airship That's one part which I want to show you And my colleague will talk about that those things, but I can show the is behind the glass there Yeah, we have a this model of airship that that will show the out well shape of the airship Which we have wonderful project which we are still going forward with so the airship is one kilometer long What one kilometer long? It's like this what the airship You remember Chapellein Are you talking about What do you call those hydrogen balloons? Yes, this yeah, it's like Chapellein. Yeah, like the zeppelin Yes, but this is Chapellein in new form. This is a zeppelin design. Yes, so It's one kilometer long But it's not real. No, this is a small scale But the actual airship is one kilometer long and the one when it could be done Yes, so what will be the advantage of that? Because with the printed etrics we make engines without any moving parts So in basically when this hull is one kilometer long We have 2.5 square kilometers of solar panel, which we can print So it's pretty electric. We have their five square kilometers battery, which we will make with print electrics the electrical output of that solar panel is Matching for city of 70,000 people For one airship So the idea is to do renewable energy with this. Yes, it's not it's not for flying the Because it travels 700 kilometers per hour. What 700 kilometers per hour It's fast. Yes, like an airplane. Yes Airbus is traveling 850. But how can it be fast? It's like a one kilometer device We have all the top and bottom layer is engine So with the printed etrics we manufacture engines which have no moving parts because the zeppelin was very slow Yes, but you're not this is really high speed So we have a all the top and bottom layer of outside of this is an engine It's a printed foil with engine so did you How are you gonna make it? Yes, we have we have been showing that off in a couple events now Well, how we actually do it and now we're looking for what we are looking also funding But because nobody has so far Does it give us your funding? We will find it ourselves if this can be so fast. How many people passengers can you have on it? It can take 1,000 tons of cargo That's a lot of people you can do the math from there. How much do you want to calculate per person 100 kilos or? But you can have a real nice so so fast and tables and furniture there So this could be the Airbus 1000 a 1000 right because the 380s. Yes, okay Cool. Okay. Can we talk about them and my colleague will tell you more about ring? Yeah Yeah, all right