 All right, good morning everyone and welcome once again to the youth ministry course. I hope you all are doing well So in the last class we discussed the organizational aspect of the ministry Everything that goes into planning from the team the way it's set up So that was chapter four the organizational aspect of it And I hope you've been able to follow understand and learn everything about youth ministry so far So today's session will move to chapter five. I will discuss a little bit about the challenges in youth ministry Right some of the challenges that we face in youth ministry And yeah, I mean this can be applicable for other areas of ministry as well But then in our context related to youth ministry, okay I So first off we I wanted to kind of approach the challenges from two different aspects a Challenges that a leader or a pastor Goes through faces and then a challenges of our audience Okay, so we look at those two different things So the first thing I want to discuss is the challenges of a youth leader or a minister in youth ministry one of the major challenges is Impatience Impatience amongst young leaders young say young worship pastors or young youth leaders and whatnot is Impatience Okay, so that is we wanted results yesterday Okay This is Like a typical feature of a young leaders who normally aspire change and new way of doing things So I've just been appointed as a youth leader or a youth pastor and I'm going to change everything in one day You know so and that that's a sense of impatience. Okay. It's okay. I want to bring about change I want to do it right away and Let's go Okay, but unfortunately Practically speaking that does not happen like that Okay, and so we need to approach This area of ministry youth ministry as a marathon instead of a hundred meters dash Okay, because guys we are living in a day and age where We expect microwave results Like I think I hope you get what I'm saying you know Put cold water inside for 30 seconds and get you know hot water Seems like We all do this we still do this and we put the water put it in the pot and then boil it and wait for five minutes It seems like It's not trendy But I hope you get what I'm saying right is We all want immediate microwave results Right learn to play the guitar in five days five days learn to play learn to sing in in one day I mean sure we can but I Learned to play the guitar in five days. I see I mean I see posters like that. I'm like Yeah, we just bet off our life instrument and So it's it's it's the way of attracting people saying, okay, you know, it's it can be done in just short period of time and Somewhere somehow the same mentality can creep in to our area of ministry as leaders as well If we are not careful Okay, and so the example that I just simply want to share is The difference between a marathon runner and a hundred meter sprint dash runner Okay, and this example was birthed out of my personal experience So in school and in college when I was in part of the athletics and whatnot I was a hundred meters dash runner, you know, I could like a hundred meters or 200 meters You know, it's just short distance and short sprint you can, you know, and so I was I would train for that and I would participate in a hundred meters dash and whatnot and then one day what happened You know, there was you know, there's a lot of Marathons that happens in the city at least in the city of Bangalore You know like a five kilometer or ten kilometer run or 30 kilometers run or whatever And so the part they opened up, you know for us to participate in it. And so I also Signed up to it. It's like, okay. I'm going to run because I'm a runner too. I'm an athlete too I'm going to participate in marathon this Uh Yeah, I lasted about five or ten minutes. I think Um, so it's exactly, you know, how it sounds like I ran for 200 meters then I ran out of breath and uh and then yeah, kind of Just walk the rest of the marathon Uh, so the difference here is uh, there's a difference between an athlete that trains for a hundred meters sprint And there's a difference between an athlete how he trains he or she trains for a marathon They train very differently for a hundred meters dash. You don't need to train on your mentality You know as much your mental strength, but as a marathon runner You work not only on your physical strength, but also on your mental strength Really how and your endurance test your perseverance everything gets tested Right your character is tested your integrity is tested your your patience your endurance your perseverance Everything is tested as a marathon um runner and so, um And it's very interesting that Hebrews chapter 12 verse one, you know Uses this phrase this choice of words saying and let us run with Endurance the race that God has set before us The you know, christian life is a one big marathon And we have to run this race with perseverance and faithfulness and whatnot But more so when it comes to leading an area of ministry It is very easy For us to get impatient and expect results like a microwave results and things to change overnight Unfortunately that that does not happen. So I want us, you know, I want to encourage us all to keep this point in mind that Approach it as a marathon, you know, take it one day at a time Okay, I hope you all are with me, right And we see that it's it's I mean it's very biblical as well. It's not just a practical idea You see that God did not give the promised land to the Israelites in one day Right, uh, it was a gradual conquest. It's you know, little by little little by little, right So he put together a journey that would allow them to develop their faith and confidence Right as they learned to depend on him Okay, um, so this is important because uh, the simple foundation of the ministry is strengthened in your Um, as you develop faith as you develop skills as you develop leadership Uh, experience character, discipline, passion, patience and endurance Right, all of this will be tested. Um, as a as you run As you run as you lead this area of ministry as a big marathon Wait, am I making sense? Uh Yeah, this you get what I'm saying. Okay All right, awesome. Well, that's one of the challenges uh in young leaders or in leaders of any age Is that we expect results immediately but to approach this area of ministry as a marathon Um, and just don't let impatience You know Make you quit prematurely Okay, uh, this is one of the reasons as well not the only reason but this is one of the reasons when we you know You get discouraged when you so don't see results when you don't see things going your way immediately You tend to get discouraged and then you tend to quit Or give up very prematurely. We'll talk about uh more in in More more points to come Then the second challenge in the area of ministry is time management Okay time management um So if you don't manage your time Your your time will be managed for you I'll say that again. Okay. If you don't manage your time as you're leading a ministry Your time will be managed for you Okay. Um, so, you know the the many demands of youth ministry will keep you busy. Um Because unlike any other work or profession Your ministry work does not end after 5 p.m. Or 7 p.m. Or 9 p.m. You can get a call or a message any time of the day or night And so work never really finishes on our clock Right, uh, what did I hear a name at? Work never really finishes or ends When it comes to ministry, there is always Going to be you work You will always be thinking about something related to work And that is the nature of ministry and you're working for, you know So To manage well to do this you need a healthy understanding Of your priorities based on the church's values and expectations And whatnot right so to be able to manage your time without burning out Is you need to understand your priorities really well, right? You need to make a note of your priorities really well, so And one Reality You'll quickly learn is that uh, you know as mentioned work never ends More is always waiting to be done And so the secret to lasting long Is a very simple Learn how to say No and when to say no, okay Uh I'm an Indian. I think it's a very Indian thing to say Uh, if if any favor or anything is asked of you to do use to say yes for everything Uh, you know, yes, I can do this. Okay, Roshan, will you do this? Yes. Yes. I'll do this. Um, can you do this? Yes, I'll do this. I am not thinking about I'm not thinking or It's it's like it's almost as if that I've forgotten that there's only 24 hours in a day and and I need to sleep some of the hours hours, but I don't know what it is about, uh as It's very difficult for us Indians to say no, uh, even maybe Or To be very diplomatic we'll say I let I let you know I'll keep you posted Things like that, but uh, but it is very important. Um To be able to say no, you know Especially if it's clashing with your priorities Uh, are you with me? Yeah it's very important and uh, and it's And you who develop this culture this habit by saying uh, and and You know as you as you make certain priorities the people that you are leading will get to know Okay, he will not tell no unless he is really not able to do it He or she is really not able to do it So it'll come, you know, as there will come a point where you know will be valued and without being taken as offense He'll go, you know, I asked this person and he or she said no, I'm never going to ask this person types Uh, that's the fear right? That stops us from saying no, but then uh, trust me guys. It's going to Uh, you know help you last long Okay, uh So plan your time or people will plan it for you Okay, uh, just a book suggestion. Uh, it's mentioned in your notes. Uh, there's a book called deep work by cal and newport Um, you know, I'm sure most of you have already heard of it or if not already read that book um, even pastor mentioned this book uh recently in this When we were doing the series on mental health in the month of february, I think yeah Um, so give that book a read. It's a good one Even book summaries that are available on youtube uh for you to just go through it Okay, um So I'm basically this uh, what that book suggests. Uh, just one of the points is that um If there's a work or an assignment that needs to be done Uh, you set aside, you know, either one hour How many whatever one hour two hour three hours? And you shut everything off And you are only focused on that one thing And that you know working on that one thing for that many hours of you know time is considered as deep work um And a lot of examples such as bill gates is used in that um how they would you know and a lot of major successful entrepreneurs are mentioned in that book where they would just Book a room or go to some solitude place And uh and just work on that one thing And uh, no wonder they are successful people, but yeah, it's a good read. Uh, you know Take it out when you can And I had to learn to manage my time as well because when I joined apc I joined as the youth pastor and also as the associate worship pastor And so that means I had to deal with the youth ministry and Just so you know under youth ministry, we have the youth core team I have to um, I am under the supervision of seen the senior pastor The core team and I'm also leading the the youth Ministry and everything that's related with it, right? And then there's the worship ministry as well So there's worship ministry and then everything that's related with worship ministry From the sound team and to interact coordinating with the setup team And equipping the worship leaders training the musicians working with them Walking with them understanding where they are in life and whatnot. So There are all these things with youth ministry worship ministry and whatnot And it is very very easy for all these work to get mixed up and doubled up and whatnot, you know And it's happened sometimes but so the way I would approach um a day is You know, I would just divide A day into two halves I tried to It was successful for the most part. Okay. It was successful guys Um, it's the first half. Maybe I will only focus on youth ministry Um, I would resist the temptation to think about work related to worship ministry And if and if something pops up about worship ministry I will park it. I would make a note of it on a whatever sticky notes. I would keep it aside you know, and then Just focus on youth ministry. Uh, I was very determined to not waste any time mental you know strength on Another area of ministry Which was not important at that time Okay, um, and then the second half I would focus on everything related to worship ministry and um, yeah So, yeah Any other thoughts that you want to share on this a point of time management? Uh as as anything else that you've done that has been uh helpful for you that you want to share Yes, uh Let's go ahead Thank you. Thank you. I'm just gonna add to the point you made about learning to say no um There was also a time in my own life where I was always Agreeing to everything and somebody made a comment that oh I'm gonna ask him because he's always helping out. He never says no Right. And so when I heard that I realized that People just drop into my own schedule not minding what I have on my own plate Because you know, I always say yes. So I started Being firm on no and I realized that people started adjusting Yes, whatever they're saying or trying to give me to do or help them to do is It's not going to disrupt anything in my schedule. So I do agree with you It's important that We're firm to see we can see it in a nice way, but let them just know that you also have Your own things to do and you can't just come disrupting what they're doing. I don't want it to add that Yeah, awesome. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I think we've all been there. I guess Uh anybody else who wants to share anything from your experience on this point Yes, Christopher. Go ahead, please Yes, I think sometimes In time management, there are these distractions that that take place It could be someone You know some event or even a person You know distracting As from you know being able to Consecrate and focus on a particular time bound task And these distractions can be Could be you know some of them could be important. Some of them could be you know valid There's some that are you know unnecessary and then you know, we just sort of Get caught up in the destruction and suddenly realize that you know a couple of hours have gone by so yeah I just thought I'll share that. Yeah Thank you Thanks, Christopher. Thank you Anyone else Avni is anything You've experienced you Recently I went through this very recently this experience of saying no and I was too oppressed by some responsibility and I was finding it difficult to do. So I just took a step and I said No, and I don't know but it was a supernatural experience where I felt some heavy burden lifted out of my head and I was able to focus on my priority Yeah, which was actually coming against me And I realized that saying yes will not make people happy Yeah, saying no makes you accomplish much and maybe you're not happy or but People are not happy with your yes. Yes happy when you say no, but You do what is required and you fulfill that And that is that satisfaction builds you up and encourages you to do better Yeah, and give you better outputs. So recently I very recently I was just smiling And yes, my husband said, you know, you always have a yes for everything I realized that yes was not making much of a benefit And you think so I learned that Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. It really helps. Thank you. Thank you for sharing Thanks, Christopher. Thank you. Say yeah, I just another person anybody else who wants to share from your experience before we move on And what has helped you uh, you know in managing your time if we can share that also is good Yes, Prabhakar. All right. Very good morning person. Uh, actually, um saying no is Sometimes very difficult due to People's expectation, especially when we are when we are You know work or corporate jobs kind of a thing When we pose a certain positions So people expect even our superiors or peers Uh subordinates many time they they expect us to say always yes So it is always environment corporate world or in in worldly nature as well people always come up Uh come to us With expectations even in ministry. So uh, sometimes saying no is more difficult Because we we think a lot of that what they think about us, but Over the time I realized that if every time we say yes to them So they will take us for granted And shouldn't let ourselves taken for granted So it should be in a professional way and also very politely we should say that This time I'm so sorry next time I'll do that or Now my priorities is different. So so sorry for that, but I'll do it Thank you for sharing that Prabhakar. Thank you for being honest. Yeah Alisha, please go ahead Yeah, thank you pastor. I think Prabhakar shared thoughts On what I also want to want him to share I think we shouldn't We should also tread cautiously Not trying to make say, you know part of Our syllable so that because we want to say no This is ministry and we are We are doing ministry Largely for young people Who needs attention? Who needs care? Who needs our time? And our effort Yeah, so even as much as we are trying to manage our own time Things know At the time we should always try to make time For another time Maybe the person has come to you with a need If you can help the person now Try and speak to him or her and Schedule him for another time so that You can engage him. We shouldn't make Saying no Become part of that because people take us for granted For me I believe that if we really want to do ministry And do to the To the maximum When we put take us for granted It is between them and God We should go to the extent where We will feel that we have really sacrificed And brought out for the people We are ministering to that is when we can be proud of What God has used us to achieve in the life of these young people. Thank you very much Thank you. Alesha. Yeah. Yeah, I think uh, I mean it's very it's important not to get confused between being able to serve people well And then not being able to manage your time. Well, I think there are two very different things Uh, especially when it comes to you know, the administrative Part of things a ministry is not just always being available for people, which is true But then I think there is an administrative side to ministry Which not a lot of people like to talk about or think that even exists or it even requires so those You know that part of ministry is very important the way that you manage time Yeah But thank you for sharing Alesha. Yeah So there's a question here. How to manage spiritual apathy amongst youths which comes to you to which comes to you in patients uh I don't see the actual name Uh, may I know who this is please? The name says metro stars, but I'm sure there's another name Because I wanted you to elaborate on that question possibly Yeah, Kennedy. Could you please elaborate your question? I feel free to unmute and now speak Um, there's an echo from your end Kennedy I think it's a problem of mine for my side but my question was Attempts due to apathy You tend to be impatient in this direction So how do you manage that? Because due to impatience and poor time management, right? Attempts to just look interest And apathy tends to develop in the process Yeah, so, uh I mean the secret for any Secret for life is balance in an ideal world right, um and Again managing time does not say that I don't It should not say that, you know, I don't have love for the people that you're serving Uh It's as simple as that. I you know don't want to elaborate more on that but then um Again, just like what Elisha shared is you don't Get into this habit of saying no for the sake of saying no You are saying no to prioritize your other work So for example at this moment your priority is to minister to a young person who's in need of help That is your priority and then there's another, you know Say your colleague or someone comes and saying, okay Hey, can you work on this thing? Uh report. I need this. Can you help me with that? What are you gonna do? You are going to say no to this person who wants a report because you want to serve the young person who is in need You understand what I'm saying, right? So you you know, you learn to prioritize what is important and not to say no for the sake of saying no You are saying no as a spiritual habit and also as a good habit To get work done And so that work could be anything in ministry being so being able to serve person or administrative work Yeah, Prabhakar, go ahead Uh, I would like to add uh to Kennedy's question faster. Um, uh To as I said, I completely agree with you and sometimes what happened with young people are mostly they are impatient actually And to deal with them we have to have a lot of patience Um, there are many incidents happened recently with me that uh, there was a Sister young sister who got married at very early age and she has a son and uh I don't know. I don't know whether she was married like on her own like love marriage or kind of arrangement I don't know but the her husband is a drunkard So he she he used to beat her a lot and she didn't he started coming to church and She like so I used to console them. I and my wife So she said she wanted my number So I had exchanged the numbers and she used to call me Our deal like to get pray the prayer pray for me. My health is not well and this and that So I used to pray a lot Isn't it what happens? She started uh calling me at any It might be a midnight or it might be a late evening Morning like five a day more so Told her when she came to church. This is not the way we should communicate each other We are praying for you daily And uh, if you don't believe that we are praying then there is no point of getting prayed daily So we are praying for you If you work in your life and then We did counseling to her and now she has stopped calling at any random point of time She used to call like to a night in in the night 2 a.m. Or 3 a Sometimes and sometimes some of the young people who used to uh go through a lot of you know heartbreaks or breakups and this This kind of stuff everything So they they want things to be sorted out at that right time and they even quoted the scripts like ask and it will be given So we we need to tell them the real meaning of that and doctrinal foundations and everything So that is what I want to invite that sometimes we have to be Very clear about our views. We have to put boundaries Aside us so that no one could cross that boundaries and even we shouldn't cross that boundaries So in that way, we should tell them the clear message that this is the time of availability or this is not the time for the So that's what my point is all about so showing empathy But uh within the discipline and within the limits and also you have to say The right to say no and the right to say yes, it should be between us. I mean you can know us Thank you pass try it. Yeah. Thank you Prabhakar. Yeah. Thank you for sharing I'm being honest Okay. Yeah, so I think we all come kind of come conclude that In management is important and saying no is important and how we say it is also important, right? So first two points the challenges for youth leaders your pastors and ministry is impatience and time management and then uh, the third one, uh, is which in my opinion is A pretty big one is discouragement Uh, okay So maybe the single most powerful feeling that entices great women and men to exit prematurely from youth ministry is discouragement Okay, um, it's like one day you're feeling like you're the best youth pastor And the next day you're thinking, okay, if you're really having an impact Is this what god wants you to do? You know, we have this Elijah moment, you know One day you're slaughtering 400 prophets of vile and the next day you're wondering What's happening in my life types? Okay, uh, again, and it's has anybody been there? uh Uh So the nature once again, it's a you know, wherever people are involved anywhere people people are involved The task becomes difficult Okay No matter where you are, you know, what it is which which area of ministry you're leading People are involved the task becomes difficult because that's what we like to do. We like to complicate things Right, um, it's never a smooth ride anywhere Uh, yeah, especially in churches too Okay, uh, and I can hear a lot of amen. So, yeah Uh, but I mean, there could be so many reasons For a youth pastor or a youth leader to get discouraged. Uh, it's one of the challenges, right? It could be uh, I've just mentioned a few reasons a few points in the notes But then the list can go on But uh, here it is. Okay, uh lack of respect It could be from your leadership or from your core team members You know That could lead to discouragement sleep deprivation and because of a new baby Okay, so I put that point in Uh, a couple of years ago when Ethan was very young. I mean he was just about born Okay, and so I was very sleep deprived and that's when I just took up the whole as the youth pastor and it was not fun um That's where the point is there. So sleep deprivation because of your baby conflict and confrontation um You know, a lot of conflicts confrontation people are involved, you know happens a miscommunication and misunderstanding Uh, too many calls and emails to return Um Criticism um, it's like, you know, you're not leading the youth well. What's this, you know, you're not connecting with them Blah blah blah. Why did you have a barbecue party? Why did you take them to swimming pool, you know, they'd know what if they drown? Examples, okay, uh youth who are difficult to like uh core team not cooperating failure to please everyone failure to please anyone When you receive an email of disappointment saying Motion i'm very disappointed with you. Uh, you know, because you did not Uh follow up with this person but so and so well, uh, you did the announcement lacked Or you know, we can do better and things like that. So Does anyone here relate to anything I've just said? Okay. Yeah challenges are real Okay, so yeah discouragement is real it can come in any a different shape form And all of this is uh real very real but Hang on there is hope for all of us Right, uh, you know, as we know that we are running this race with endurance and perseverance And one of the things that we need to remember is that Jesus is with us Right, he has promised that he will never leave us Nor forsake us Amen, uh, I mean that's all the hope we need to hear Right when we are going through this uh race of in ministry is all we need to know is that the great I am is with us the good shepherd Is with us But he walks with us through the valley through the darkest valley And so we need to fear no evil, right some 23 says for he is with me and he comforts me Right through all the challenges through all the discouragements through all the lack of respect and criticism and emails of disappointment and And whatnot through it all He is with us and that is our beautiful beautiful hope, right? So just some of the practical Steps to battle discouragement is to be confident and know one that you are not alone and jesus is with you And second thing what has helped me personally is Find yourself a mentor Right find yourself a mentor pray And seek and ask god Uh for the right person to be led into your life to help to mentor you and guide you And um some of the points that you can remember in finding a mentor while you're praying is you can ask yourself I mean you can look people inside and outside of your church Doesn't matter I'm more comfortable with finding a person outside of the church so that you know because there's not much of familiarity Okay, that's my in my opinion, you know, just do what you're comfortable with ask yourself who inspires you Who encourages you? Who confronts? Corrects and challenges you and who do you respect? okay, um, so find yourself a mentor and uh, and And i'm sharing this because During my time, I mean seasons of discouragement Uh, i'm sure you know, there will be a lot more seasons of discouragement to come But then uh having a mentor has helped me. It's having someone To share with say, you know, this is what happened. This is what's happening help me me uh And and just having this individual to inspire me to encourage me to Correct me. I think we all need people in our life. Uh, who? Is willing to correct you and confront you and you should be able to receive correction Okay, um, and we need to discern the difference between criticism The receiving criticism and receiving correction. They are two very different things Okay, uh, I mean you think about all these great athletes and sports person I'm sorry. I keep using the examples of sports But you know, say roger federer and any coaches right all these great athletes have Coaches and what do they do is they correct there? Right and they give tips on how they can get better Isn't it and so if we want to thrive in ministry or to get better to grow better as an individual or as a person It is very important to be able to receive correction And to have a person that is willing to correct you and know that you will not be offended By that. Okay. So once you find a mentor, uh, you know, respect the mentor's time If you're setting up a meeting with a mentor be on time, you know, and I have this philosophy Uh, where I say you are late if you're on time You are on time when you're early And so respect the mentor's time, uh, you know and have a hobby, uh, you know And take a good look at your calendar and see where you can make time for yourself You know to go for a walk by the lake or you know bird watching whatever it is. You know get a hobby And make a personal commitment to last Okay, make a personal commitment to last saying, you know, I'm committing to last no matter what discouragement I face I'm going to, you know, make sure that I see through this Okay. Um, so that's the third challenge and, um, the fourth challenge is communication Um Communication is important. Okay. World wars has happened because of miscommunication and no communication Okay, so All the great leaders, uh know that Communication is not just staying something. It's not just passing along a verbal set of commands That's not just it's it's not communication. Right. Communication is a skill Right. So, you know where we learn to be clear in our communication. So what you want to say and how you want to say it It's very very important, right? Um, so again in youth ministry, we have two audiences Two people that we are working with one is your team and your senior pastor and the other is the youth itself Right communicating with your senior pastor keeping him updated in your weekly reports by weekly reports monthly reports Quarterly reports saying, okay, this is what's happening. This is what's going to happen This is the plan the vision. What are you saying? You're saying letting him know what you're up with You know, what what you're planning and whatnot. Okay, and communicating the same thing to your team Your core team members, right? So everybody's on the same page and that they are able to Help you facilitate what you want to achieve as a youth leader. Okay, so communication is super important And uh, you are find ways in how you can better get better in communication, right? Get a book if there's a book that uh That'll help you with your you know, improving your communication get better at it Like I said, communication is not just throwing Passing along a verbal set of commands. It's more more than that Okay, and that's one of the sides to communication. The other side is uh, how do you engage? You know communicate with your youth Right, so you look at all the different channels pathways that are available for you to communicate with your youth And then you come and then you use them all and you use the appropriate one For example, say newsletters emails website updates text messages social media Uh, you know instagram whatever there's so many Right and communicate often Okay, uh communicate often Hey christopher, I'll get to you. I'll just make this point and I'll get to you Okay, one of the things that I want you to keep in mind is that there is no such thing as common sense When you're leading a team, uh, or whatever, okay It's because I say this because what may seem common sense to you Will not seem as common sense to another person And so that will lead to assumption and because you assumed and if because you're assuming that this person Okay, you know it's common sense to me and so it's going to be common sense to this person also And then you know when you finally finally realize that okay It hasn't occurred to them. You are going to be upset and Angry and irritated because you assumed that that person knew about it. So Over communicate There is no such thing as common sense amongst the you know when you're leading a bunch of people So over communicate there is no such thing as too much communication. So communicate as often as possible And it's very important Okay, uh, and then finally, uh, you know intimacy with god It's key, uh, you know The busier you get in ministry. It is possible that you're you're you'll walk with god Can get uh hit by that because uh, again, we can come up with valid and genuine reasons such as time You know, I'm not able to make time uh for to spend time with him I'm not able to make time to pray with him. I'm not able to make time to Read his word and whatnot. Okay, but our intimacy with god is our fuel For the fire in ministry It it fuels our fire in ministry Okay, um, so these are the five challenges that a youth leader youth pastor can face I will speak about the uh The challenges that the youth face and the rest of the chapter in the next class Then we need but yeah christopher go ahead Ah, yes, master. Actually, this is In earlier section, which is in discouragement Yes, uh, where you mentioned about youth what is good to like So just want to understand, uh, uh, you know, if we give us a couple of examples, um in your experience I mean just from a con in the context of of a youth of the youth ministry And uh, also ideas where possibly I know boundaries have been crossed So just wanted to get a little bit of the insight into that Yeah, um youth who are difficult to be liked again that point is see most A lot of these points again from my personal experience as a youth pastor and also as a youth And so I was one of those youth who was very difficult to be liked because I think I mean I was just too hyper to I wanted to challenge everything that was said Uh, and again And not with ill intentions that was one of those things I would say um I would ask questions If I if I felt that something was not right, you know as a youth I would ask questions So, I mean there are a lot of young individuals who can be like that Who is not willing to uh, understand, you know, certain guidelines that you're trying to set and um, and what they will not seem to Understand is the difference between asking questions and questioning Hey, there is a very thin line and the difference between asking questions and Questioning it all boils down to the motive and the intention of the heart um, and so that's one of the things uh, and Again, Christopher, they come in all different shapes and sizes in the way that Uh, the all the young people are, you know, we're very difficult to like as in it's just a point, but then Um, you know, you uh Yeah You just ask god for help and and then Yeah, ask and say help me like that person That's one of the things and uh boundaries will always be crossed. Uh, again, uh, christopher. So, uh, A youth camp is a classic example where you experience and encounter all of this Uh, you know, you set a guide you set a certain guidelines saying for example, okay guys Nobody gets out of this campus gate uh outside alone Because of the youth camp where you went which is we were surrounded by the forest elephants are there everywhere and um, You know, we told them very clearly very specifically Saying okay, nobody is allowed to go out without permission outside of the gate and after a certain time and uh People went out across the literal boundaries and they also crossed the boundaries that we said verbally um and that's always going to happen and uh Yeah, it's part of ministry christopher and I I've I've I have come to terms with agreeing, you know that okay. Hey people are not always going to listen to Uh, you know things like this are going to happen, but I'm not going to let that ruin my day Uh, you know because of one person's You know disobedience. I don't want the other hundred and a hundred people to get affected by the way I feel about this thing So you meet with that individual uh and in work on them you speak with them and uh Yeah Yeah, awesome. All right everyone. I hope you had a good time Learning we'll meet again Wednesday and we'll continue with this session Okay. Thank you for joining you guys. Take care. Let's see your Thank you. Thank you. Thank you pasta. God bless you