 In this special episode of Mind Pump, so we answer questions asked by listeners like you. You go to our Instagram page, Mind Pump Media. You ask us a question underneath the qua meme. We pick the best ones and then we answer them. And in the beginning of the episode, we do our introductory conversation where we talk about current events. We had a hidden guest on this one. The news and yeah, and we have a lot of fun. And today's episode has special guest, Christina from the wellness, excuse me, realness wellness podcast. Don't wellness realness. Realness wellness podcast. That's not right. So we started by talking about my wedding, apparently I'm getting married and they found out through email. Sorry, fellas. Yeah, we talked about a new DNA dating app. Apparently people are meeting up with each other based on their genetics. That's kind of weird. We talked about a skinny dip. This is our last commercial with skinny dip. Justin is totally distraught. I'm gonna go cry later. Because he can't eat chocolate almonds all day anymore. Then we talked about the three rules to escaping poverty, read an article. If you do those three things, you're very likely to escape poverty. I talked about how Italians are the world's healthiest people. We talked a little bit about politics, the impeachment process. So what's going on right now? The Democratic candidates and China. We talked about the feather dinosaur tail that was found and our five year upcoming, five year anniversary party at Organifi headquarters. And of course, Organifi, the makers of organic supplements and vegan protein powders. They are one of our favorite sponsors and partners. If you go to organifi.com forward slash mind pump and use the code mind pump, you'll get 20% off. Now, skinny dipped still is one of our sponsors. We have a discount for you. If you go to skinny dipped.com forward slash mind pump and enter the code mind pump, you'll get a massive 20% off. Then we got into the fitness questions. The first question was why is it so easy for some people to build muscle? Is it genetics? So we talk all about the factors that can play into somebody being able to build muscle easily versus others who might maybe look like it's a tough thing for them. Is it just genetics or are there other things? Next question, why does strength training require more rest than hypertrophy, AKA muscle building type training? So why do you have to rest longer between sets when you're trying to train for maximal strength? The next question, is there ever a need to go above 12 reps with your workouts or are you wasting your time? And the last question, what are some strategies to avoid burnout as a personal trainer? Also this month, all month long, MAPS aesthetic is 50% off. Now MAPS aesthetic is a full workout program complete with workout videos, demos, blueprints. It's designed for people who are mainly focused on changing the appearance of their body, their aesthetics. It helps you sculpt and shape your body as you see fit. You literally pick certain exercises based off of your weak body parts, plug them into the program, follow it, and like a sculptor, shape your perfect body. So it's 50% off. Here's how you get the discount. Go to mapsblack.com and use the code black50, B-L-A-C-K-5-0, no space for the discount. Is she a heavy breather though? No, no, you're the only. No, she breathes through her nose, she's fine. The heavier I get, the more I start to breathe like you don't. Did you know that? It's cause you're building a lot of muscle. It's something, something's heavy. I was last, this morning, Jessica wakes up and she goes, this is how you breathe. Like you're shushing people? Yeah, she's like, what are you doing? Oh man, I'm getting too heavy. The vibrating sound coming from the back, that was in the back there with the construction, reminds me of the time, did I ever tell you guys about the time we had someone working on the house and they heard one of our, no, they heard one of our vibrators? Yeah. Did I tell you about this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the foam roll? True story. No, no, no, upstairs it was kicked on and they could hear it vibrating. You told this story twice. Did I? Yeah. That's not how it went though. No, no, you tell the story where you could hear this. Upstairs. No, we had a guy going under the house. That's what it was. And he was doing work for us under the house and he comes back inside and he goes, I hear a weird sound. I can't figure out what it's coming from. So I go underneath the house with him and I'm listening and it's like, what is that? What the fuck is that? Couldn't figure it out. Finally I'm like, what's directly above me? Oh shit, closet. It was on the floor. Just left from the night before. And then I went back down and he's like, it just turned off. I'm like, weird. Yeah, it's weird. It's totally weird. That's it. How did it turn on? I have no idea. Hey, you're not allowed to talk. Yeah, what are you doing? You just sit there. I can talk. No, no, your job is to read the questions. You're ruining everything. You're paying for me to be here. I'll cue you when you're allowed to talk. Oh man, goodness gracious. Just sit there and look pretty little girl. She do what he's doing there. Hey, so I opened up my base camp two days ago. And I'm looking at trips that I wanna plan. Cause we're looking ahead and trying to make sure everything's in order. Yeah, and Katrina goes, Sal's getting married in February. Surprise. And I was like, what? Base camp told you. Yes, instantly texted the group thread and Sal is like, yeah guys, I'm getting married in February. Like literally we found out through base camp. Don't worry. You are the worst friend ever. No, you have to understand what happened. When I know I'm gonna do something, I have to put it in base camp before I forget. So the same. Before you forget to tell your friends. No, no, no. Before I, listen, before I forget to mark off those dates, cause I've done this in the past to Katrina and every other assistant that's ever worked with me or whatever. I'm terrible with remembering. This gives me so little time to plan the bachelor party. Yeah. We're gonna do a bachelor party. It's gonna be crazy now. We have to. I'm 40. I mean, we're gonna get the last minute. What kind of a bachelor party? You're gonna have to push this date out, man. We need to have a party. Yeah, what are we gonna do? We'll do something. Watch a movie. We're not gonna air it. I'll tell you how much. Go golfing. No, the day that I put it in base camp, that's the same day that we decided on the date that we were gonna go up to city hall and do the whole thing. So I was literally gonna tell you guys the next day when I came to work. Oh, by the way, except that you tagged us all in the email, you know, responding. You know me, dude. I'm terrible with remembering. Worse. No, I saw that in I text you. I was like, what the hell is this, bro? I'm like, oh yeah, they can see this. I forgot. No, we've been on and off kind of talking about it here and there. And we also have been talking about in the past, like maybe having a child and trying for a baby and all that stuff. And, you know, I had a lot of fears over commitment and over having another child left over from, you know, getting divorced. I was married for 15 years. I have two kids. It's very difficult process. And when you leave a situation like that, I'm sure people listening who've been divorced can maybe relate. It leaves you, it can leave you fearful. But here I am with the woman who's phenomenal, excellent, you know, acts like a stepmom to my kids, even though she's not married to me. We have a great relationship. She puts up with all my insecurities and fears around that kind of stuff. And I finally got to the point where, okay, I think this is, I'm ready. And, you know, we started talking about it. And the problem is that if we were gonna start trying to get pregnant, there was a certain window to do so because she wants her mom to be here for it. And then that means that if we were gonna get married, we either have to happen after potentially having a child or right before or right around the same time. And I wanted my kids to see us married first and all that stuff. So it just was like, boom, boom, boom. So all the fear gone. It was a long process, but when it finally left, it was like, man, everything just opened up. It was there. It was lingering. And that's the thing about fear is it's a doubt. And if it stays, if the doubt is there, it could poison you a little bit. But I was also very careful. In the past, I'd mentioned these things to her and I kind of waver back and forth, which wasn't very fair. So a while ago, I said, I'm not gonna talk about this anymore unless I'm totally ready to do this and do that whole process of I'm working on things and stuff. So that's it, man. Yeah, so surprised. No, congratulations. Yeah. I feel so like you took the wind out for me. I was gonna write it back in email like that. Congrats and email. It congrats. Are you guys really mad at it? Tell you guys before I run it out. No, yeah. No, no. We gotta give you shit about it though. I mean, that's like, come on. That's your job. Yeah. Yeah, that just accelerated fast. That went from like thinking about it to like happening like really quick. Well, it was, again, it was. When it's in base camp, it's real. Honestly, the goal was I was gonna surprise her. We were gonna go on a trip in February and I was gonna surprise her there. But then the window of, you know, when we're gonna try having a baby and all that stuff, like it had to happen a little sooner. So anyway, I talked to the kids too. We told the kids about it. Yeah, what'd they think? The best response you could ever imagine. Awesome. Absolutely incredible. We told the kids and I don't, you never know what kids are gonna say. You have two amazing kids, which brings me to another point. Do you know anybody that has four amazing kids? My parents. My parents have four of them. Justin and I were trying to figure out the other day because I have zero, you know, I don't know anybody. Really? Yeah. There's always one. Yeah. There's always the odds. It was the one that killed my kids goldfish. Yeah. They had four kids. Yeah. Then there's another one. I have many examples of, you know. I mean, you hit it out the park with the first two. That's a lot to live up to for these two. The other two are gonna see like these kids that went to private schools, 4.0 GPA, fucking wealthy age. I'd start getting, you know, a little bit out of your favor, let's just say. No, when we told the kids, I didn't know what to expect. I thought maybe my daughter would be a little jealous because she's the youngest or, you know, are they gonna worry about dad spending more time? Because, you know, my kids are, it's dual custody with my ex-wife, right? So they're with us half the time, but if I have a child with Jessica, obviously they're gonna be with me all the time. So I thought, oh, you know, wonder, there's a lot of potential, you know, issues and questions, but no, my kids, right out the gates. I told my son, pick them up from school, we're driving home and I'm like, hey, you know, I just wanna let you know that Jessica and I are gonna get married and my son, he lives in a three to five range. Well, at least you didn't email him. Yeah. I sent him a text. He lives in a three to five range, and he's a typical 14 year old boy teenager where he doesn't go below a three, never goes above a five. Everything's kind of like, you know what I mean? That's his answer to everything. So I told him, and he smiled, which was a good sign. And he goes, that's cool. He goes, I already told my friends that she's my stepmom anyway. So I'm like, oh, that's cute. That's sweet. Because she's a hot stepmom, that's why. That's why. Bro, for sure, he's a high school kid. You've got to fucking hop, come over and see. Yeah, come check out my stepmom. She's really making cookies. I blame Pornhub for all that stupid stuff. Every other video on that. Then my daughter, she was so excited. So her questions were, can I help decorate the baby's room? Can I help you pick out a dress? You guys are not supposed to see each other the day of the wedding. Super excited, and since we've told them, they're like so happy. And it makes perfect sense when two kids see a couple that they consider as parental figures. Me for sure is a biological father. Jessica, who's lived with them now for almost four years, it makes sense that they see this, it's natural. You know what I mean? Like, oh, they love us both. We love them. We're gonna get, why wouldn't they be happy and excited? So it's kind of exciting. Told my parents they were, of course my mom was ridiculous. Here's my mom. Well, you come from big family. So that's like more kids is more than married. Yeah, exactly. Oh dude, this is my mom. We tell my mom and I'm like, we're probably gonna try having a baby. They're all excited. My mom's like, I see at least two or three kids. That's what I see in the future for you. Like mom, calm down. My God, relax. Now, does her or you, do either one of you have any cynical family members who are just like, oh, you guys shouldn't do that? Or is everybody proud? My family is so family oriented and so pro. And hers too. You know, when we do family function, so maybe four, might've been a month ago. Like none of her family's worried about you dying too early because how much older you are. Yeah, it's that much older, geez. I'm fit and healthy, damn it. Silver going into a new one. Like are you sure, Jessica? You know, he's got quite a few years on you and stuff like that. No, everybody's. The reason is you've lied. Everybody's fine. Everybody's super supportive. It's funny, four weeks ago, four to five weeks ago, we were up at, we visited my sister up in San Mateo and we were watching her youngest son. This little, I told you guys about him. He's a little turkey. Anyway, we're having a good time. Later on in the day, my parents come to visit and my dad sees, he sees Jessica family parties. And if we're at a family party and there's a baby or a kid, Jessica is gonna be with the kid. It's just her favorite thing, right? So my dad's, you know, watching her and he's, you know, and he looks at me, pulls me aside, starts speaking at times so she doesn't understand. And he goes, so you think you can have a kid with her or something? And I'm like, why? She's a hundred percent, for sure. That's, look at her. She needs to have a baby. He's looking at me and I'm like, yeah, I think I'm gonna, this is about five weeks ago. I didn't tell anybody, I just told my dad. So he was, he knew, you know what I mean? Now everybody knows now, right? The whole family knows. We told everybody. Yeah, everybody knows about the whole thing. We were last time. Yeah, you didn't know, no. You guys were actually third. Yeah. So now I gotta go to the awkward phase of sing, we're trying. We're trying, we're trying. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, whatever, you know, God willing or whatever it's, we'll try and if it works out the way, you know, the timing or all, it's perfect. No. If not, we'll be happy either way. It's a lot of fun practicing. Yeah, lots of them saying. I love practice. Practice makes perfect. I think it was a year and a half it took Katrina and I, that was a long time. Well, you guys took a while because you didn't know that she had the assist. Yeah. As soon as that got taken care of. I mean, that's what we assume, right? Cause it seemed like right after that happened that she got pregnant right away. Although there is some speculation that it happened before because it was so, it was so quick. Oh, I see what you're saying. And he was four weeks early too. So some of that, some of that speculation is, was he four weeks early or did it actually happen? Did she get pregnant a little bit earlier? Dude, in my family right now, you have my, I have two cousins, my ex-brother-in-law who's like a brother to me, I grew up with him. And even maybe my brother are all probably gonna get hitched and start trying within the next year or two also. So this could potentially be like an explosion of. Just after those are taken over. Start a little army. Now the hatches of children. Hey, speaking of relationships, did you see the new DNA dating app? No, what? Oh, I did see that. It's called DigiD8. So. DigiDate. Yeah, like DigiDate, you know? DigiDate. You're right. DigiDate. DigiDate. It's D-I-G-I and then D and then number eight. DigiDate. DigiDate. Yeah, the eight is just eight. Yeah, what did I say? DigiDate. DigiDate. DigiDate. What are you guys doing? Anyways, yeah, it's like a DNA based. So they try and match people to like, so potentially they don't have any kinds of issues like genetically with what they pass on like potentially if there's a problem, you know, trait. So they don't even like present people that might have like carry a certain, you know, like problematic disease that would pair with them. So. Oh wow. But I don't know that the science is shaky with it. Well, I heard they get, so the article I read was talking about how they got a lot of flack for that because like eugenics. Yes. So that you got a lot of pushback from the people saying like, oh, we're trying to. Yeah, cause there are lots of situations. Purify everybody. Where you'll have a recessive gene for a genetic disorder and it's not a problem unless you get with someone who has the same gene, in which case, then all of a sudden you see a genetic. Right. You know, genetic issue pop up. Like I have a friend who has a gene, a recessive gene I think for, I think it's Lou Gehrig's disease. And it's totally fine as long as he doesn't get with somebody who has the same gene. Otherwise, no, there's no chance. Totally fine. Now, which I can see an argument for that. And I was going to ask you guys, what are your thoughts on that? Are you? I feel like if you have that gene, you probably already know, because this day and age, you would have lost so many, because the way that people typically find out these days is, oh my God, four of my aunts and two of my uncles died of the same thing. Then the family gets tested and they find that they have this gene. And then, you know, I guess you would tell the person you're dating, hey, we have this gene or whatever. I don't know, this is kind of interesting. The science isn't so great though. How are they gonna, besides the ones we know, what are they gonna do? They're gonna tell you that you match up great with this person genetically? Yeah, well, I mean, I think it's really just kind of screening out if there was like a potential for a recessive gene, like match like that where, you know, like, oh, we do have this potential disease. Let's just like keep it within like this group over here. That's very, very interesting. There is another process by which that happens. It is gross. It's called attraction, you know? When you're really physically... Pheromones. Yeah, when you're physically and drawn and attracted to someone and you kiss them and you feel that feeling or whatever. That's a terrible gauge. Well, that's... Most people fucked that one up. It's worse, it's worse for most of human history. Most people can't decipher that from horny. It's a really fine line there where people don't understand. Hey, man. That is a powerful one. It's worked for most of human history, you know? That's how we pick our... And if you look at the actual rate of genetic disorders, it's very rare. It's worked pretty damn well, you know? The reason why you're not attracted to your siblings for the most part, you know? How much is it, you know? How much is the testing? I don't know, but you weren't talked to again. That's twice. Excuse me. Excuse me, sir. Until it can treat you. I don't know what it was. Maybe Doug can look it up. Look up the DIGID8 app, how much? I think it's just an app. So I think it's more about traffic. I don't think it's about them charging to do it. It's probably just like any of those other ones. Yeah. Well, who would harm me or whatever? Yeah, who's doing the genetic testing? Probably a doctor. No, I think it's like an at-home thing. I'm sure you have to fill it out. Yeah, so you don't have to pay for that. Maybe, yeah. I would assume so. I can't imagine that will do well. Like how much do those... What was the app that you said you were doing last? What's it called? Hinge? Yeah. What does that cost? Well, you can pay more. I know the leak. The leak. You can pay more to get more features. Like super likes. So you actually started dating like an average guy because you didn't pay for the upgrade? I think it says something about someone who pays for the upgrade, right? Oh, it does. What does it say? I don't know. So you're more desperate? You're spending too much time on the app. You're too in-duet. Is that what it is? Yeah, I think so. I don't know, what if they... Or you just want to go right to the top. Yeah, exactly. What if there's a whole other class of people that you didn't get access to? I don't know. Oh my God, do you imagine that? If you get ranked by people on a dating app and then that rank determines how accessible you are by other people, and if they don't match the number, they can access you. Yeah, they gotta pay them. They gotta pay for it. They gotta pay for it. You know what I'm saying? It's clever. Exclusive. I'm a 9.5, you know? So for a hinge, if you pay more, you can see everyone who likes you at the same time versus if you don't pay, you have to go one by one. Does that make sense? No, no, no, explain that again. So you could get, so what she's saying is if you pay, then you see all the people that are interested in you all at the same time. If not, then you have to swipe through one at a time. Now, why that would be, I could see alluring. Because we live in this binge. Well, because you'd want to compare everybody. Yeah. It's like, you know, when you're making a deal, you want to see like, well, I want to hear what they have to say to you first. You're pretty hot, but I don't know what else is coming up next. It's easier to say no if you see someone better above them, right? But if you're going one by one, you're like, what if this is the best thing I'm gonna get? How many bad dates do you have to do before you get a good one? What's the average? It depends on your screening process. Oh, well, what's your screening process? I mean, I'm picky about who I'll go on a date with. So I don't have, I haven't had that many bad dates. So you have like, you got to fill out like a questionnaire to go with you or something? I mean, you know me. Every person I've ever gone on a date with says, I feel like I was just in a podcast interview. Oh my God. It's super hot. It's definitely hot. It's definitely hot. It's definitely hot. Get shit done. Get them all revved up, huh? Yeah. Do you guys feel like these apps that just increased, just dramatically increased your accessibility to lots and lots of different people? Do you feel like at some point that's gonna cause issues where people are so indecisive because they feel like there's so many people out there? Sure. Don't you feel many options? What's happening now? Don't you feel that way already with streaming movies? Mm. That's true. When Netflix, you don't watch anything. No. I have like decision photography. Yeah, I remember as a kid having like 30 video cassettes and every night watching a movie. So I watched all of those movies probably and never having a hard time picking them. Dude, I loved walking in the movie store because you could just like walk through the aisles and then you finally make a decision. It's like, ah, you don't have that anymore. It's just like, you have to know what you're gonna watch. Well, you're overwhelmed. There's so much. It's funny too because in the past, people got married and they stayed married for a long time and now that we've gotten into more of like dating and more access to more people, that percentage has gone down. So I wonder if that plays a role if you think because you have, there's so many people out there that I'm less likely to work on what I need to work on. I think it's done more good than bad. I think there's a majority of people that it really helps. I think, you know, most people are probably not very self aware and socially aware. And so having an app that actually helps filter for you probably does a service. Especially people with baggage. Yeah, it probably does a service for a lot of people that probably are just not there yet. They haven't done the reps. They haven't dated enough people to know like, oh, you probably shouldn't be dating this kid or oh, this is your MO for a reason because you're still dealing with your old shit where you put everything on a profile and you allow people to filter each other out like that. I would think that it helps more people than it hurts. Yeah, I could see that but I could also see the flip where, you know, in the past you got with someone and you didn't necessarily compare them to all these other people. Maybe even through media. Maybe you didn't compare them to all these, you know, impossible ideals. And you're just like, this is my partner and we're gonna work together and this is what we do and here's our purpose and all that kind of stuff. So I can also see some of the drawbacks. You see more of these, the more and more access people have to more and more partners, the more challenges you see with that because of that perception. Like, well, I can just have, you know what I mean, way more than before. You know, speaking of relationships, how are you gonna do over there, Justin, with us ending our relationship with Skinny Dipped? Oh yeah. Dude, you just hit me right there. Are you okay with that? Are you okay with that or what? I don't know. I don't know. What am I gonna have in between podcasts? You know, that was my go-to. Yeah, I don't know. We're gonna have to find something. Justin's gonna get lean. I'm just gonna get lean and mean. I love y'all shredded. I think I might compete next year. This is our last mention of Skinny Dipped almonds, right? Yeah, I believe so. Doug, did you look that up to see if it was our final? He says he thinks so. Great company though. I love the ladies. I love what they're doing. The brand is continuing to grow and do well. And I know that we talked about potentially going on for 2020 with them, but I know that they're gonna use some of their advertising money elsewhere in other places. So the people that I'm sure will eventually ask, what happened? There was nothing. It was completely- It was gonna stockpile it all. It was completely amicable. And we look forward to seeing them continue to grow and do well. And I'm sure Justin will continue his Skinny Dipped addiction. I'll be your number one customer on the side. Dude, I pulled up some very interesting statistics the other day that I thought were incredibly fascinating in regards to poverty. Some economists did some really, really deep work. And this is actually well known. I went and looked it up even further, did some cross referencing or whatever. And I found that this is actually quite well known. I just wasn't familiar with this statistic. But there are three things that if you do these three things in life, your odds of living in poverty are reduced by a dramatic percent. Something like over 75% reduction in your chances of living in poverty. If you just do the following three things, do you guys wanna guess what they are? Save half of what you make. Go ahead, keep going. Any others Justin? Get educated? I don't know what we're talking about here. I would think it would be along those lines too, like work this long or whatever. But no, these are the following three things. And they found that if people just follow these three things that they're probably gonna be in the middle class. Number one, this one's obvious, keep a full-time job. So don't work part-time, work full-time obviously. Graduate high school, so not even college. Just don't drop out of high school. And then the third one, this one's really important, wait to have children until you're married or and older than 21. So people who have kids out of wedlock and especially people who have kids out of wedlock under the age of 21, the odds that they're gonna live in poverty are astronomical. It's like very, very high odds. So people who followed all three of those rules, 75% of them joined the middle class just for following those three things. Full-time job, graduate high school, wait till you have kids until you're married and older than 21. Old, good old-fashioned advice. That makes sense. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, and isn't, I mean, the average age now is much higher than what it was before as far as kids getting married and having kids, right? I think the iGen book got into that. I think that stats up into the mid-20s now. Starting to go up, starting to go up. I think kids are starting to value it a little bit differently. So although rates of marriage are going down, the people who are getting married seem to be, it looks like divorce rates are actually gonna start to reverse is what they think. But pretty interesting, right? No, yeah. Pretty crazy. More interesting information. Did you guys know that at times are the world's healthiest people? Is this more like... Let's hear this by the day that you're finding out here? Yeah, whoops. No, Bloomberg just put this out and ranked the world's just generally speaking in terms of overall health. And Italians ranked the highest among all developed nations so higher than anybody else. And the reason why this made kind of news is because Italians eat things like bread and pasta and they drink wine. And magical pasta out there. What's happening? Well, so I think this is an interesting thing to talk about because Italians do eat a lot of pasta and bread, and they do drink a lot of wine, but they also do eat a lot of vegetables and fruits. And the article, the authors of the article were looking to the diet of Italians to try and find out why they're so healthy, but I think they make a big mistake there. I don't think it's necessarily the diet, although I think it plays a role. Family, the lifestyle. Family, outdoors, water, sun, activities. It's a very family and leisure-centric culture. All the stereotypes. How are they defining healthy? By longevity, there's a lot of different factors. So how long people lived, how sick they got, how much hospital time they had to, just overall health. And then there were also things like how happy people were. But I think it has to do more with their lifestyle. It's a very family-centric, kind of leisure-centric culture. Ask anybody who's ever been to Italy for any length of period of time. They'll tell you, oh man, I love the way people are over there. They hang out, they have a long lunch. They make time for each other. So siestas, huh? They value connection and friend and stuff like that. It's not Spain that does that, right? That's not Italy. Oh, you don't do that there? They do, in Southern Italy, they do something similar. Well, they go home and they eat dinner at like one o'clock with their family, take a nap and then go back to work for another hour. See, that's interesting to me though, because like, so half of their day, like they'll take out, but they actually don't open up clubs or anything until like 12 at midnight. And then it's like, they stay up all night till like three in the morning or whatever, then they start the day, or so it's like, I don't know, it's like. It's just the young kids. Yeah, the old people. Maybe. Dude, one thing that I noticed that was in Italy was in the summertime. First of all, a lot of people take the whole month of August off. Like that's like a big thing in the culture of Italy. It's just a thing that they do. They take August off. A lot of places shut down and closed down. When I went to go visit, there was a gym in the town that I was in and it was closed for August. And I was like, what the whole month? Yeah. I can't work out. They closed the gym. Really? Yeah, restaurants and bars and grocery stores. Really? Yes. Especially the further south that you got. There's gotta be history to that. Why August? It's, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. Celebrating something? Yeah, there's something there, but I don't know. But then when you go out at night in the summer, 10, 11 o'clock at night, it's not just the kids that are out at the bars. It's moms and dads pushing strollers with the kids. It's grandparents. Yeah. It's such a family, you know, centric, you know, connection centric culture. That's what I think is due to their, the reason why they're considered the world's healthiest according to Bloomberg. You know, you bringing up Bloomberg, you make me, I haven't asked you in a while, you haven't dropped some politics on us in a while. What's going on with, is Trump getting impeached right now or what? There, what's the deal? Well, here's my opinion on that whole process. I think it's a strategy by the damage. So I looked at what's going on and what they're trying to impeach them on. The, what they have is, I don't think they have what it takes to impeach them at all, although they may say that they will. I think this is a strategy to beat him for the upcoming election because the economy's crushing. The stock market I think went up 10,000 points since he's been in office, something saying like that, hitting records all the time. Unemployment is at record lows, especially for minorities. The Democrats have weak candidates at best. They don't have anybody really exciting on their side and they know it. Biden was supposed to be their guy, but the guy puts his foot in his mouth. Oh my God, such like cringe worthy, like lately, did you watch that video where he was talking to like all these kids about, I don't even remember what he exactly said, but it was about like rubbing his leg and oh my God, it was so cringe worthy. Somebody made a cartoon about it. It was, it was terrible. It was bad. It was like it really will make your skin call. I feel like this is part of the strategy because the impeachment will stretch, this whole process will stretch throughout the election. Oh wow, so this won't, we won't know the answer to it. No, I mean, and they're gonna probably go back and forth and they'll be able to bring up like, you know, like as the election's going on, like, oh, here's another thing that they brought up during the hearings. Here's another thing. I think what they're trying to do is attack his character. It's a very smart strategy if you ask me. If I was on the Democrat side. Let's say, hell, Mary, right? Yeah, if I was on that side, and I'm looking at the economy, I'm looking at his support, what she has public support is better than it's been for other presidents during this time in their term. I would be like, what do we, and I'd look at my candidates and be like, what do we got? We have Biden, we have Elizabeth Warren, we have, you know, what's his name? Bernie Sanders. Like they don't got good, what's going on with Bloomberg? Bloomberg supposedly is still going to run, but I don't think I'll let him do it. What did you say about tax and poor people? I was like, really? That's what you're going to come up with? Some video came out where he said, it's a good thing to tax poor people because it motivates them. Because it motivates them. Did anybody like coach you on this? Yeah. So I forgot to tell him he's the 1%. Yeah. I don't think I didn't get received well. Yeah. I don't think the Democrats will let Bloomberg win the nomination to run as a Democrat. He's a billionaire. He's part of that side that they rail against. They don't like him and they don't like the other girl, right? Those are the two that probably have the biggest chance, him or the- Tulsi Gabbard? Yeah, Tulsi Gabbard, yeah. She's probably too reasonable to make it. Veteran, Hispanic, right? Yeah, she's anti-war. She already got attacked by the Clintons though. No way they'll let her get the nomination. I think it'll still be Biden. I think he's the guy to do it. But Biden's, he's weak. He's just not a strong candidate. I mean, Obama was a strong candidate. If there was an Obama, Trump would be in trouble because that guy could get on a stage and just, I mean, he was one of the best at- He's a great speaker. He was just phenomenal, phenomenal. He came across as just amazing. They don't have anybody like that. And Trump is, the economy's- Unless something really bad happens to the economy? So I see this as being their strategy. They're like, what are we gonna do? Let's do this impeachment. This'll help spread it. I don't know how true this is or not, but also too with the tariffs in China, there was another angle to that in terms of fentanyl, like that being a major source of where the fentanyl's coming from in this whole opioid epidemic. Oh, I didn't know this. Yeah. And so like a lot of the factories out there, like that's where they're getting it from. And it's making its way into like every drug. So it's not just like pills and powders. Like they're finding traces of fentanyl in heroin. They're finding- What are you talking about right now? Fentanyl being like one of the major problems, right? Epidemic right now. Especially through the Midwest, like a lot of people are dying. Like there was 30,000 people reported dying from fentanyl. Is that because people are cutting it with it or? Yes. Oh, okay. And they're importing it from China? They're importing it from China. There's these big factories. Why fentanyl is it making it? Is it because it still gives them a high or something? It's an opiate. It's an opiate. Oh, okay. And if there's a whole bunch of it flooding the market, that would make sense. Yeah. It's a big problem that people aren't talking about. Yeah. As far as the China thing is going on, China is looking kind of interesting because you have Hong Kong right now that's protesting like crazy. I mean, millions of people, you guys know the whole deal of China, right? The whole deal that's going on over there? You guys have seen those protests? What? So it's gotten Hong Kong. Yeah, Hong Kong. You're talking about the same ones that had been going since the NBA, the whole NBA talk that we talked about how they were. No, so in Hong Kong, as you guys know, it was controlled by Great Britain or whatever, United Kingdom. Then they went to China, but the deal was that for 50 years, I think it was 1997, that Hong Kong went to China. The deal was that for 50 years, China could not leave Hong Kong alone. It was independent, basically. Well, they're under China, but they're left alone. We're gonna leave you guys alone. We're not gonna do anything. And then China passed a law that said that they can extradite people from Hong Kong to the mainland of China for whatever reason. And this is bad, obviously, because there's lots of anti-communist people in Hong Kong who write articles and blogs. And so if that law passed, that means China could go to Hong Kong. Grab them. Grab them, bring them back to China. So that started this huge wave of protests and maybe also because the 50 years is gonna be coming up here in the next 20 years or whatever, that they're kind of like, what's gonna happen? So they did all these protests. China backed off and said, okay, we're not gonna implement that law. But they're still protesting. And I've read that the protests are spreading to mainland China because there are regions in China that have a lot of people that go back and forth between Hong Kong and China. So that's bad. Then they got... That's gotta be volatile. We saw videos of people doing things against whatever, what was that called? Like where they had that structure where it's like a point system that they've created. Oh, their social scoring system? The social scoring system. Is that happening? Yeah, they're already punishing people for... It is happening. I thought that was like they were testing that. That's like full-on. I don't know if it's fully implemented, but they're doing it. Wow. It's moving forward. Now, do you and Arthur Brooks, does he send you articles? Are you still talking to him about stuff like this? Every once in a while, we'll send articles to each other. Yeah, I'd love to hear this. But the thing about... Here's the thing about communism in these days is that it's so hard, unless you completely shut off your country, like North Korea, information comes in and out. So Chinese citizens see the free world. They taste it a little bit. They have friends and family maybe who live in Hong Kong and they hear about, because Hong Kong is at the freest economy in the world. They have a Western-style judicial system. They have protected rights and all that stuff. So here they are in communist China. They hear about this stuff. People start to want it. And once that spreads, boy, that's like a fire you can't put out. And then on top of it, you throw this tariff war between China and the U.S., which it's costing us money, but it's hurting them a little more. So they're in a bit of a precarious situation. Well, one cool thing that's come out of China, I just saw recently that there was a finding of a dinosaur tail that had feathers still intact. Isn't that the theory? Like, wasn't it you who brought that up? I had never heard that before, that this whole idea that dinosaurs were bald is a bunch of bullshit. They probably all had feathers. Yeah, that was like sort of, they were kind of moving that direction, but they didn't have any definitive evidence for that. So they're speculating, but I guess they found, and this is kind of also like I'm still on the fence with it because they actually found it in a marketplace. They found this piece of amber that encased a tail of this dinosaur. Let me see, it's the theropod dinosaur. So apparently it was from the Cretaceous period about 99 million years ago, which however they figured that out, but they just found it in the market and they had it studied and all these people are studying it right now, but it's showing that they did have feathers and it's pretty like a conclusive evidence. Can I pull up a picture of that? I wanna see that. Aren't chickens like the closest relative to the dinosaurs? Yeah, that's what I've heard too. Yeah, that's why they were speculating. They may have the feathers. Now, didn't somebody make a dinosaur embryo from chicken DNA? Or is that? That's drastic. Yeah, I saw that movie too. No, no, no, no. I thought somebody's actually did that already. Really? I knew they were trying to make mammoths. No, that's what they look like. He looks like a chicken. Oh, wow. Yeah, well, that's the picture. Like a chicken fucked a pterodactyl. Wow. That's what it looks like. Don't we just look like a chicken by the video? Right, yeah. Pterodican. Yeah, wow. That's not the picture of the thing. No, it's not. Oh, that's not? Can you look up if we actually made a dinosaur embryo from chicken DNA? I thought someone did that order of thinking about doing that. That was in the Jimmy Neutron movie. Was it? What? Jimmy Neutron. I didn't watch that. What? What is that? I just texted you, Doug. He has a tail. Oh, the amber specimen. Don't do that. See right there, scientists recreate click on all that snopes. It's probably fake. Never mind. Yes, no debunks, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, you guys, you guys might be right. Yeah, well, we'll see what happens. Well, I texted that. Scientists are having a lot of fun. I mean, how do we determine it's a dinosaur, not like an old chicken? Yeah, that's a good question. What do you mean? A big chicken. Yeah. And that's why is this the size of the age of the if you're talking about like the bones or you're talking about like a fossil. You said it's like a tail with some feathers. Like, I mean, it's because of the fossil of the amber. So they somehow they can carbon date or whatever they do. Oh, what it's trapped in. Yeah. Have you ever looked into the accuracy of that? Here we go. I know, I know. Have you ever looked into how accurate that is? No, we just. Well, it relates to nutrition, right? Everyone thinks they know what we used to eat. We don't. Yeah, yeah, I know it's there. I'm sure there's some shenanigans involved. Well, when it comes to nutrition, it's a little bit different because carbon dating is isn't accurate. Like you can't guess, guess within 10 years, but you can guess within hundreds or thousands of years. So we know that it's hundreds of thousands of years old and we know that it's going to be around that. We might not know the exact date or whatever. As far as nutrition is concerned, the best evidence we have are either seeds that they'll leave fossilized poop. You know, they'll find like fossilized poop and we'll analyze it and they'll say, oh, we found fibers or drawings or drawings of the food that they have. But you're right. I think humans are opportunistic. So when it comes to nutrition, we probably just eat whatever was in front of us or whatever we can find. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's a lot of flow. I mean, history is kind of riddled with that. Like you're just trying to piece it all back together. You don't know what really happened. Well, it was like it's a narrative that we all agree on. Was anyone dieting before the fifties? Dieting? Yeah. Oh, wouldn't dieting start? Like they didn't start before. You used to be able to order mail order pills for weight loss. And I believe it was in the... I remember those old ads. Early in the 20s or 30s. Take the tapeworms. Really? Yes. So you used to be able to buy... This was in the early 1900s. You could buy tapeworms. So before the 1900s. Nobody was doing it. Oh, I don't know. 18 anything or before. Nobody's bloodletting. Right, nobody was doing that. The only people who was probably dieting were the wealthy because they maybe get too fat so they'd tell their children. And even then, I thought back then it was like... It was a sign of wealth. It was a sign of wealth. So you would be proud to be a little chunky. I know. Rotund. You go 200 years back, imagine telling somebody, yeah, I'm not going to eat that because I want to try and lose some weight. They'd be like, what the fuck? My six pack. And then I'm going to go to this place and lift heavy things for no reason. You're crazy, anyway. Speaking of time, we got our five-year anniversary coming up, don't we? No, I'm pretty excited. I've been talking to Shauna over at Arganify for the last few months about planning our five-year in San Diego at their headquarters. Oh, that's great. So the last time when I flew down there and got a chance to check out the new place, it's awesome. It's got a really cool layout. It's massive. We could probably comfortably fit easily two to 300 people in there. And we've talked about it on this show for a long time about doing some sort of a mind pump party or get together. I think that this makes the most sense. It's our five-year anniversary. One of our best partners. Yeah, well, we don't know yet. So we literally just, she just emailed me over the spreadsheet that we're going to start adding what we want there as far as food and drink and entertainment or what that's going to look like. Because I think it's going to be less like our live events like we've done where we go and we talk for a long time and it's more mingling. I think it's to be more of a party. I'm sure we'll get up there and say a band or a DJ or something. Yeah, so that's what we're kind of exploring some of that. So I don't know exactly what it's going to look like. I know it's going to be in August of next year. So we have plenty of time to plan it. It will be held at Organifi at their headquarters. It'll be like a kombucha keger. And it will be open to the public, but once we get X amount of people that sign up for it, it'll be closed off. So I got to find out from Shauna what's the total amount of people that we can fit in there. But I'm excited. I think it's going to be a really good time. How long have we been partnering with? We've worked with Organifi. Has it been three years now? Yeah, they were one of the very first sponsors. Yeah, three years. So Chimera was the official first one, right? So we did Chimera for a few months before. I think we found Organifi. And then Organifi has been probably the... Organifi for Sigmatic and who else was early one? But those are the longest running ones, yeah, for sure. And Organifi's exploded since we started working with them. I'm not saying it was us, but I'm saying it was you. Not all of it, either. I mean, I've been down there now a couple of times and met with their team. And they have a really tight business model. And tell you what, they've won, I think I talked about this before, right? They've won the best place to work, Inc. 500 thing a couple of times in a row. And you can feel it when you walk into the place, like the vibe is just, you can tell everybody just loves working there. It's a very cool atmosphere. And everybody from the tech nerdy side of it all the way to the customer service, everyone is... The two things for me that made such a big impact for me from this company was when we first started working with us and they sent us a protein and I can't have dairy protein. So for me, it's always gonna be typically a vegan based type protein powder. The taste was amazing. So that was like, whoa, you guys did a good job. But the other thing that really struck me was during that whole time when I forgot who it was, I think it was consumer reports was testing vegan protein powders and finding high amounts of heavy metals. And you guys know how, like I got like, hold on a second and I contacted Organifi and the response and the quickness with, here's what our products have, here's what the testing shows, really showed that they are dedicated to providing good product because I was ready, man. I was ready. Like if you don't give me what I want, we're gonna have to bounce. Now it'd be interesting to see how they line up business and revenue-wise to some of the other big ones because I think they're now at a place where they for sure are rivaling them or if they have not taken like the Vegas and who were the other, and what's the other one that's in Whole Foods? Sun Warrior? No, I didn't know that was one. Yeah, that's another big vegan one. Yeah, that's another big one. I didn't even know that. Which one's Sun Warrior? I'm not familiar with that one. I've seen it. I've seen it. I'm thinking of Garden of Life. Yeah, Garden of Life is one of the- How do people use that? Yeah, it's a big one. That's in all the Whole Foods. Those are some of the bigger ones and I think Organifi's up there with them as far as the size of the business now. But they're not in retail, are they? No. Yeah. No. Gosh, they're as big as they are and I'm not even in retail. That's crazy. First question, Ander Beth, why do you think it's easier for some people to build muscle than others? Does it always come down to genetics? Oh, great question, Christina. So, you know, it's funny. Before we talk about genetics, we need to talk about the obvious stuff that I think sometimes people push to the side and they like to say it's all about genetics. But let's talk about the- Let's talk about excuses. Yeah, let's talk about the other factors first, okay? Is the person working out and training in the most appropriate and effective way possible for their body? There's two things there. First, is it an effective workout? And two, is it the most effective workout for their body? Is that person eating a diet that is the most effective for building muscle and appropriate for the body? That's also very, very important. Is the person have a lifestyle that is conducive to building muscle, especially for their body? You gotta look at all those things first before you go on to genetics, as I would have, I knew this growing up, working out, there'd be people around me who'd be building muscle and faster than me and I think to myself, oh, it must be genetics or it must be steroids. One or the other. Yeah, now that I'm older, looking back, I can see like, oh, that person ate much better than I did or I didn't prioritize sleep and they did or I over-train like crazy and they just focused on the big compound lifts. That reminds me of like the argument that we're making about the fighting thing, the size and the skill thing, right? Like a fighter, if you have incredible skills, if you really know the tools that it takes to build muscle, you can compete even with somebody who has great genetics. I really feel that way. I think the genetics thing is just a quick excuse that we make because somebody else is responding and we're doing the same thing. So there's that, there's those outliers which everybody has that friend or girlfriend that they know that gets away with eating crappy food, barely touches any weight and their body looks great. That's such a small percentage of the people. Great point because when you look at genetics as a whole with humans, most people, the vast majority of us are somewhere in the middle. Very few of us are on the edges, on the edges. So it's like a bell curve, right? On the edges, very, very few people as you get close to the middle, there's a larger, larger, larger amount of people that fit somewhere in the middle. So here's the reality, truth is if you look around, most people around you have genetics that are kind of like yours. Most people are somewhere in the middle. It's rare to have these crazy, superior muscle building genetics. And trust me, when you meet someone that has these type of genetics, you know, it's not a question. It's not like, hey, he gained five more pounds than me. It's more like, wow, he's 270 pounds of muscle and the guy works out twice. Not to mention what's the history there? Like how long have they been in the game? Like I know a lot of times like people started, when they're like 12 or 13 and like they've built, you know, their body responds because they've built all this in, like over decades and, you know, like for them to see them, they see them just responding, you know, way later in the game. And they don't realize like, yeah, this has been a whole history in the making. It's not just like right now. The truth is, you know, building muscle is hard. It takes consistency. It takes proper nutrition. It takes proper exercise. And the fact is a majority of people don't have all three of those lined up. Most people half ask their diet. They're not getting all the nutrients they need and they're asking their body respond. Most people don't do a very good job with their programming. They gravitate towards a type of modality they enjoy. And as we talk on the show all the time, that's important for consistency. But when trying to build muscle, if you're still doing the Jane Fonda tape at home, you know, and you're wondering why your body's not building more muscle, you're pretty adapted to that or you're going to your favorite, you know, Orange Theory F-45 class and you've seen good results in the first three, six months, but you're not building any more muscle. Well, you're adapted to that way of training. So I think it's more of not all of those things aligning and most people are missing somewhere there than it is genetics. I think that's the most common. I don't really think people know how to navigate into other modalities properly. I just don't think that they know other options, you know, well enough, like they do, like they know, they need to up their calories, right? That's like the first thing. Like most people are pretty, you know, familiar with that part of it, but, you know, people don't adjust their training to match, you know, how their body needs to respond. So I think that's something that, you know, we need to better educate the general public about that. It's a really easy, you know, it's a really easy path, right? To say, oh, it's genetics. We've heard that with fat loss too. You know, oh, I'm, I can't lose weight or I'm overweight and it's because of my genetics. You know, I know, my friends don't worry about, and here's a funny thing, training clients, you start to have people track and pay attention to certain things and you start to realize, sure genetics plays a role, but it ain't the role that you used to think. Like I remember there was a show on, I want to say it was Discovery Channel, where they had people who were like morbidly obese, 400, 500 pounds, right? And they would be part of this reality show and they would get followed around. My 600 pound life. It was one of those. That was it. That was a show. I think that was, yeah. It was something like that, right? And they'd get followed around with the camera. And so before the show starts, you see this interview of the person and the person was like, yeah, I've been overweight my whole life. I grew up this way. My body stores body fat really easily. It's really crazy. And you kind of hear them making the case for, hey, look, I was born this way and I can't help it. Meanwhile, the camera starts following them around and then you start to see how they actually eat. And you get to see that for breakfast, it's five breakfast sandwiches and a soda. Then they have a full-size bag of chips as a snack and then lunchtime, they go through the drive-thru again and then dinner, it's like a full-size of pizza. Or they go to the grocery store and they're like, you know, this is healthy, right? It's chicken. Meanwhile, it's fried chicken and it's a whole bucket or whatever. And you watch and you go, oh, this person just has no idea. They actually have no idea what a proper portion looks like and they're blaming it on genetics. Just like when I was a kid trying to build muscle, I didn't know what the, I thought I was eating enough or more than enough to build muscle. But when I go back and really, if I really look at the calories and the grams approaching and all that stuff, it wasn't enough. I remember learning this when my parents went to Italy one year for, I think it was like a month and a half or two months, I was staying at my grandma's house and obviously I have an Italian grandma, so she'll make me whatever I want. And so she's like, what do you want to eat? And I said, I love steak, make me a lot of steak. So when I lived at my grandma's house, she made me steak two or three times a day. So two or three times a day, I'd have steak and I'd have pasta or whatever. Now remember over that course of that month and a half, I was gaining muscle like I'd never gained before and then I pieced it together and I was like, oh, it's because my grandma's feeding me steak all the time. So genetics definitely play a role, but it's not the role that you think for the most part. Now that being said, when you get to the sides, when you get to the outliers, well yeah, then genetics get pretty crazy. Now I've worked in fitness for 20 years, so there's already a bit of a selection bias. So the type of people that are attracted to fitness, the type of people that work into fitness, you're probably already dealing with a level of genetics that's a little bit better than average, right? Most of these people are, they're drawn to it because they're good at it. So I'm already, there's already a bit of a selection bias, but I can count on one hand how many people I met in 20 years working in fitness looking back that I could say had insane genetics. Yeah, I agree. You know what I'm saying? This also goes back to the argument that we had the other day about, or debate that we were talking about, which is harder to build muscle or burn body fat. I think to build muscle, this also brings up another point of how there's less room for air. If you are trying to burn body fat, just moving, doesn't matter what modality, how consistent you've been doing, just moving a lot and eating less and you'll lose body weight. That's, and you can keep, and you can get away with continuing to push that, right? More extreme, more extreme, more extreme, more extreme. You don't need as much programming-specific- Right, and you'll still see results. I mean, you can just run in place and eat less every single day and increase that intensity. Week over week and then you'll see the decrease in body fat and body weight. But with building muscle, it's, you can't just, if you overdo it like crazy and you're not feeding correctly, you're gonna see no results. So you could be putting in a ton of work inside the gym, not fueling the body nutritionally to support all that extra work and your body won't build shit. In fact, a lot of times you may even lose weight in pursuit of building muscle. So I think there's a sweeter spot when trying to build, which makes it feel like it's more challenging and then again, defaulting to, oh, I'm just fucked, I have bad genetics and my friend has got great genetics. It's less often that and it's more addressing some of these. You know, they're not really isolating that, that's very specific goal of building muscle. They're not willing to then like, you know, like take down a lot of the extra curricular, like cardiovascular type activity they have incorporated in their plan because it makes them feel good. I remember, and there's been several times in my lifting career where I had these moments where I thought I was doing everything right and then I made this one little change and all of a sudden I add 10 pounds of muscle after like beating my head against the wall for two years straight, right? Two years straight thinking I know everything about lifting and I'm doing anything right nutritionally and then one day it dawns on me and I don't remember what, I either read something or somebody told me. You like got more sleep or something. Well, I was, you know, back off the basketball. I was playing basketball every single day in addition to lifting every single day and I just couldn't keep up with the calories and I thought because I was stuffing my face I was eating enough, you know? And so just me like cutting out basketball and also my body goes, boom, 10 pounds like came on me overnight and it was like, oh shit. Like that was a big difference for someone like me who again was probably blaming it on genetics for the first half of my lifting. All right, Hans Schmidt. Why does strength training require more rest than hypertrophy or is that much more or is it that it's much more demanding? Okay, so what they're referring to is when you're training for maximal strength versus when you're training to build muscle. That's what hypertrophy refers to is actual increase in muscle size. Now I do wanna be clear, they both contribute to each other. So that's number one, building maximal strength will cause muscle to grow and on the flip side, getting your muscles to grow will contribute to more strength. So there's a little bit of gray area here but when you are training for maximal strength you typically are resting for longer periods of time in between sets. If you watch power lifters work out, you'll notice that those guys and girls will walk around, chill, talk or whatever for sometimes three, five minutes in between sets before going up and lifting again. Whereas bodybuilders have a tendency to rest shorter. Sometimes the shortest 30 seconds. Sometimes you'll see a bodybuilder trying to maximize the pump and they're going 30 second rest and they're going set after set. Now why is that? Okay, the adaptations your body gets through exercise are very specific to the way that you train. They're very, very specific. There are some general carryovers to other things but your body will adapt in very specific ways. So if I'm training for maximal strength that means each of my sets has to display my maximal strength. If I'm resting 30 seconds in between sets of squats by the second or third set I am not maximizing my strength. I'm not lifting the most that I possibly can. I'm not practicing strength. It's impossible. I'm too fatigued. When you're training for strength you wanna train at your strongest which means you have to rest. By doing so you're practicing the skill and training the adaptation of strength. Well, you're also replenishing your energy too. And I forget what the literature says but it's somewhere between two and three minutes. When you rest two or three minutes the most of that is recovered completely. So as we go through our workout that starts to deplete. Your first few exercises you do you're much stronger as you get further into the workout that diminishes as time goes on but there's a sweet spot of resting to get the maximum amount of energy replenished to do the next set. And that number falls somewhere. There's an individual variance and it's obviously much more nuanced than what I'm saying right now but about two to three minutes for to get the maximum energy replenished to go after that set again. Whereas if you're cutting your rest periods at a minute or less you're not allowing your body to fully recover to give it its most which you don't care about when you're chasing hypertrophy when you're trying to get the pump and that's more of your desired outcome you're not really concerned that oh, if I would have rested one more minute I could have got an extra five pounds out of that set you're not worried about it because you're not in that phase of training and so it's... And you build muscle, hypertrophy comes from training for strength but it also comes from things like the pump from those metabolic stresses that you get from that's why when you do like was it BFR training, occlusion training? Occlusion training is a type of training where you tie off, let's say your arm with a knee wrap and then you do curls and your muscle can't pump out the waist because it's been tied off and so it builds up and you're only using five or 10 pounds that's shown to build muscle but that's probably from the metabolic waist stress that's caused so building muscle comes from a lot of different ways not just getting stronger but getting stronger has to be trained specifically if you want to maximize strength Now there's nothing to, you know the way we lay out of our programs there's obviously a systematic approach and we think that these are some of the most ideal ways to mess with tempo and timing and sets and reps but there's nothing that says you can't mess with this like there's times where I'll go in and I'll be following a strength type protocol as far as the rep count and the weight that I'm lifting but then I'll just cut my short, my rest period shorter I'll do heavy singles with short rest periods in between, I'll go over, rip it off the ground rest for maybe one minute or less go right back, rip it off the ground again and do things like that and the same is true for messing with your hypertrophy training every once in a while instead of only giving yourself a one minute rest on hypertrophy training try resting for three minutes and then do a set you'll be able to lift more weight when you do it so there's nothing wrong with manipulating the rest periods it's just that when most people write programs or when you read most the literature around this you'll see like, oh, hypertrophy training is considered eight to 12 reps with 90 second rest periods and it doesn't mean that you can't play with that In fact, if you only stay there you're gonna diminish your muscle building hypertrophy or if you only stay in strength training and you never move out of it I think you're gonna minimize your strength we have friends like Ben Pollack who trained bodybuilding for a while now he's finding that he's stronger going back to powerlifting because he trained for a little while in bodybuilding, Stan Efferding talked about this and the reverse people who only train trying to maximize the pump and build muscle who never train for maximal strength they'll gain benefit from that's why I said that there's a gray area because they definitely contribute to each other and it's not because it's more demanding powerlifters aren't resting longer because it's harder bodybuilding training is harder training like a bodybuilding will gas you out more than training like Yeah, you're fighting through a bunch of other factors you know, through that whole process so it's like a couple different things that you know, you're trying to work through the fatigue that's inevitably like on setting and with strength training you're trying to be the purest form of like I can have access to this ultimate strength that I can output like at any given moment right now and so that's the entire focus of it it's like what can I summon right now and how can I repeat that process to repeat that process I need adequate rest to then regenerate that type of force think about this way if you want to get faster you need to train fast if you want to get stronger you need to train strong if you want to build muscle there's a little bit of gray area same thing with the others if you want to get fast that means that sometimes your training will be a little slow but most of the time you should probably train quickly same thing with power training if you look at like plyometrics if you want to improve your explosive power then your sets and your training need to display that and working to fatigue means you're not going to be able to display that so that's why there's a difference between the two but for most of you people listening right now you'll benefit from doing both and I recommend you state you do one for a little while and then move to another one and do that one for a little while that will give you better overall results long term and most people listening are interested in both they want to get strong they also just want to build muscle and sculpt their body next question is from Thunderbolt is there ever a need to go above 12 reps or are you wasting your time after that oh my god yes oh totally you know what this is again you know talking about pivotal moments in my you know strength training or muscle building career I remember the first time I started doing 15 to 20 reps and I actually had some of that's like oh well I had some of the best gains because up into that point I believe that anything over six reps was a waste of time if I was a skinny guy trying to build muscle why would I ever want to do you know endurance type training or high repetitions that was for girls that wanted to tone their muscles that wasn't for young skinny guys like me who wanted to build muscle and so I was always lifting heavy six to eight reps at most and man when I started training in the 15 to 20 rep range I blew up and I remember going like what the fuck this is the secret was to lift high reps and the truth is it wasn't that it was 15 to 20 reps that I never trained there so if you're asking this question and you never go beyond 12 reps because you think it's wasting your time it's the opposite is going to be true if you go lift 15 to 20 reps I bet you see some of the greatest gains you've seen in your programming just by simply doing that oh for I swore my legs grew my legs tend to grow pretty easily anyway but they never grew as much as they did when I did 20 rep sets of squat and by the way that's brutal it's absolutely grueling to do anything over 10 reps excuse me of barbell squats and I did sets of 20 with lightweight and my legs literally exploded no studies show this by the way 20 reps 25 reps if the intensity is high and the form is good that will send all rep ranges I would say under 25 or 30 even 30 will build some muscle especially in beginners or as a occasional novel you know rep range but for most of you listening right now your rep range can be up to 25 I would say I would yeah and I definitely I mean I agree with you guys in terms of changing it up and having that response however there are some exercises I probably wouldn't do 20 reps with like a deadlift for instance or like any kind of a power focused exercise like just eliminate a certain amount of yeah exercises from that protocol I definitely think it's worth exploring you know that high rep range but be appropriate in terms of like the programming of the exercise so I've gone back and forth on how I feel about that because the value that I find from deadlifting and squatting really high rep like that is just that in order to deadlift 15 to 20 reps or squat 15 to 20 I have to go really light and then it forces me it's just it's a lot of practice so it's a lot of practice with a weight that I can control really well and I find that part of it as far as the muscle building aspect of it I agree with you like you're gonna get your biggest bang for your buck when you're doing a big compound lift on that when you're doing you know singles to five reps out of those types of exercises that's where you're gonna see the most muscle the most adaptation CNS-wise you're gonna get from that but you know there's an argument to be made on just the fact of doing 15 to 20 reps forces you to practice that movement and if there's a movement that more people I think need to practice I would I could make the case that squatting and deadlifting are two of those squatting more so deadlifting you know you gotta be careful and you can do it you can definitely do it I've done it here's the problem once you start to go up to higher reps the fatigue is what stops the set right that's why you have to go super light again yeah super light but it almost seems like the risk starts to get higher you know here's where it doesn't make sense at all it almost seems nil at that point when you're lifting that light and I can see what you're both saying and I can see that there could be some value you just gotta go really light and be perfect but definitely not with power you know hang cleans and snatches terrible high reps terrible the risk goes through the roof once your form breaks down just a tiny bit and you're gonna do that for 15 reps you better be using a broomstick because once your form breaks down just a little bit that exercise now became dangerous very dangerous okay next question is from Gretch what are some strategies to avoid burnout as a trainer and tips for making time to train yourself you guys remember the first time you burned out as a trainer when I first became a trainer like 12 appointments in a row yeah I was so it was early for me man I fell in love with the job and I quickly fell more in love with coaching trainers over actually training clients training clients is fucking draining dude it's hard it's treachery when I first became a trainer I was so excited to be a trainer to be working in a gym that I just took all clients any clients any time as many as possible which I think there's a lot of value in that there is at first and I remember it was like I remember my schedule was something like I'd get in at 8 a.m. and I'd work till one then I'd have like a break for like an hour or two then I'd get back to work and I'd work till like 9 p.m. then I'd go home then I'd come back at 3 a.m. because I had like these clients that nobody wanted to train you know I worked at a 24 hour fitness gym so someone wants to buy training but they only can work out at 3 a.m. I'll do it you know so I come back and I go back home and I did that and I was young and I was 18 I had lots of energy but I remember it's starting to like burn me out where your eyes burn and your body tingles because you're tired and you're just like my workouts are starting to suck so I think number one for most trainers the most amount of clients you probably on a long term basis I'm not talking about for short bursts but a long term basis on a day to day basis you probably want to be around six to seven clients most long term that doesn't mean you can't train more than you know like eight nine or 10 here and there but I haven't known very many trainers that can train you know 40 sessions consistently weekend and week out long term without experiencing some type of burnout I think a better tip is that because I do think that there I think everybody when you first start you should take everything you can I think that's a sign of a good trainer and I think you learn a lot training at all hours and all types of people but once you get to a place where you're making a comfortable enough income that you're not you know living paycheck to paycheck or stressed out how you're gonna eat the next week then I think it's really smart to start only taking the type of client that you like to train and being okay with okay I'm gonna turn down this client and I could make more money I have the availability to do it but quite frankly I know I don't enjoy doing that but and for me that was like I told I wasn't a big fan of advanced age and kids it wasn't it wasn't my expertise I thought the training sessions were boring for me and it wasn't that I couldn't or I wouldn't it was that they I wasn't as excited to train those types of clients so I stopped taking them you know I would look for my ideal client or the clients that I really enjoyed helping and that makes a big difference on how that day feels like when you're training the type of client that you want versus taking clients just cause you need the money and you're filling your schedule up I can do eight, nine hours in a day of training clients if they're all clients I really enjoy I could have only five or seven if half of them I don't like it will feel like it'll feel like twice as long of a day so I think that matters more than anything else makes a big difference and the other thing is this as a trainer you end up having to learn this because if you don't it'll kill you don't take it personally when you're clients don't do what you say when you first become a trainer you take it all personal like I told her oh she's gonna do exactly what I said and then she comes back and train her for months why aren't you doing the meal plan why aren't you following what I said why aren't you exercising on your own and then you start to take a personal and if you do that you start to hate what you do what you end up having to realize at some point is this is a hard long journey take nothing personal and just be happy that they're there making the commitment to at least show up and work out with you and do the workout because otherwise you start to take those things personal you start to have these battles with your clients you'll either lose clients or you'll get to the point where you start to hate people because they're just not doing it you start to feel like you have you provide no value I learned this the hard way by blowing people out the door for not following all my advice and then realizing that I've done them no good at all now did you guys ever have a hard time with making time for yourself and did you have things that you did to like working out sometimes? Yeah that's part of the question right so it's not just to carve that out burnout for being a trainer also it was in my schedule book so I would oh if I had a gap that was an hour and a half or two hours which I always made sure to have I would write down workout so I for sure made a time I think there also is I mean there's problems I see with your average trainer that's kind of and I know like you're just starting out I totally agree with you guys I think you should take on as many as possible you're gonna learn so much that way more than you would anywhere else and then also you'll find like which ones you know you gel with the best in what direction to go with that and then there's also charging more and I feel like there's a problem where trainers really undervalue a lot of what they provide their clients and I think that they feel guilt I think they feel a lot of guilt because a lot of the times what draws them into the fitness industry is their passion and their drive to help everybody you know we want to just help everybody and I was I had a little bit of that when I first started I just want to help people you know I would take people at you know reduced discount prices and you know these things just to try and keep making it work you know because I really cared about them like getting to a place they wanted to go so there was a part where I had to make a decision like am I gonna treat this like a business am I going to like I actually have to make a living with this I'm getting burned out because I'm just trying to cater to everybody else's demands I need to start really focusing on what you know like fills me up and then I can pour that into my clients more effectively once I started doing that I actually got better clients as a result and then also I was providing better service and I was getting paid more so it was just like this this like sort of a ha thing that I went through that's the irony I was gonna say you just pointed out is with that is you end up getting the clients that you have that are less of a headache right it's always the clients that yeah the client that buys the 3 for 99 yeah that wants a deal or is a friend of a friend and they're getting hooked up or some bullshit those are always the ones that are less likely wears on you yeah follow what you're saying and they're the ones that are the biggest headache shit we see that even in this business we ever get a complaint or an email it's always somebody who didn't buy anything so it's like I was working with Ann the other day and she's like reading me this like if we ever get any complaints I want to see all of them just so we can continue to improve the business and you know she reads me this person that's like complaining about something and we obviously have access to be able to look at all you know what they've read what blogs this person has gone through like you know six blogs three YouTube videos downloaded two of our free guides purchased nothing but complaining of course it's that person you know what I'm saying the people that get things for free it's funny how that and the gym business is the people with the free passes they're gonna complain the most every single time the last thing I'll add from my end is have fun have fun with your training sessions have fun with your clients not only is it good for you but it's also good for them you'll find that when your clients enjoy coming to see you because you guys have a good time you laugh you joke around you have fun with your workouts it also makes it enjoyable for you when you're always serious with your sessions like this is fitness we're working out we're doing our sets that's all we're doing oh my god you do that day in and day out watch how how tough it is to continue doing your job dude that is such a good point and you just reminded me of a tip that this person could use it so and I did it for this exact reason it's totally selfish there wasn't a ton of value for them in their training program for this but it was for entertainment for myself and it doesn't hurt right I would compete my clients like so I start I'd go through like a phase where it's planks and so the end of every workout we would do a plank hold for as long as they could and I would time it and then I would let them know where they ranked up against the rest of my clients and so it made something fun that we could do and it could be a squat hold it could be you know vertical jump it could be a sprint on the treadmill for a mile you could do a lot of different things that are fitness related that's challenging for them and I used to end workouts that way and they would love to see their improvement on that themselves and then also compare themselves to other clients and then they gave me something kind of to have fun with and that was a I totally forgot all about that till you mentioned that I think that's a great point now make sure you head over to mind pump free dot com so you can 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