 Good evening, you're on a Jojo. Let's take a break from COVID and let's talk about some Mr. Sunshine here Yeah, so a spoiler alert for anyone listening who has not watched mr. Sunshine on Netflix now would be the time to hit mute for the next few minutes because we're gonna talk about the ending Yep, so that said I'd like to hear your thoughts on the ending of the show. I Recognized around the 18th episode that it was not going to be a happy ending Yep, but I was not expecting the bloodbath of the final episode of the final two episodes Yep, and with what little I've been able to read about and learn about that time period It was a brutal span of time for Korea So for the show to be Historically legitimate and culturally relevant. It really couldn't be a happy ending They had to stay honest with their audience as well as with the material they're working from but even so Every major character that we got attached to every character regardless of their character arc their development their growth If they came in contact with I sin if they were close to her they died Yep, and I just cares like what you may have that I have my thoughts on it and what it says about a lot of things But how did you react after your first and second viewings of the series? So my view is it's one of the things that makes the show really really good I think a happy ending would have been inconsistent with the theme and inconsistent with the conflict so the fundamental conflict between the two heroes of the show is a conflict between love of You know romantic love and love and patriotism. It's a car. She is Her highest value is her country. Her highest value is her patriotism That is what animates her. That's what motivates her. She loves the male lead But it's clearly Subordinated it's he is not her high of highest value for him Clearly for a variety of different reasons that this the show explores his highest value is her. It's the romantic love The patriotism is is borderline unimportant to him. He could he could take it or leave it Indeed, he's some a joint much of the show is antagonistic to it. So you have two love, you know central figures whose Values hierarchy do not match Something has to give now. She could have given up a patriotism and run off with him to America but that would have been inconsistent with her character and and and it would have been inconsistent with what the show is Is is is all about and it's and he could have become Patriotic, but that would have been inconsistent with his character inconsistent with his history Inconsistent with what the show is all about. So that had to resolve itself and In a conflict of values like that in a time of war It really is the only resolution I mean, I both could have died she could have died but really the the the resolution would be for him to die so that she can live and keep fighting and it's heart wrenching it's You know tears in your eyes and and horrible and sad and Disappointing and all of that, but it's the only logical thing that can it from a dramatic perspective That's the way it needs to happen and from our values What I like about the show is it takes value seriously. You might not agree with the values I might not agree with her about the patriotism But she goes all the way with it, right? And he goes all the way with the fact that she is this primary value therefore he must In a in a situation where he can save her life. He must save her life. He has no option, but to save her life So I think the it's it's consistently Necessary it's logically necessary from the beginning of the show for it to end that way the other characters You know, there's there's a there's a grander motivation here first the other two male characters can never have her So so in a sense, there's a there's a tragic element to that as well, but each one of them suffers For their own sins, right? So the playboy suffers for being a playboy and not taking life seriously Soon enough and by the time he does take life seriously in a sense. It's too late. So he has as you said gained and become better and become a Heroic human being but in in a sense, it's too late. There's the but by that point His life is doomed and I think the other two characters one She's neutral for too long neutrality in a time of war leads to death and the other character is is of course a gangster and by the time he comes around to Redeeming his life. It's too late. So there's a logic to every one of them dying And then of course the reason they all die in some sense Is there's a sense in which they have to die in the same way as cure at the end of we the living? And I hope I'm not giving away anything here if you haven't read we the living cure dies in the end And but you should still read it. She has to die that is in a time of disaster in a time of war in the time of oppression Horror happens and and you can't evade that and you can't escape it even good guys even better guys Even people who are willing now what I liked about the show is that the heroine survives the fight and she continues to fight in spite of the Tragedy in spite of her losses She sticks to that highest of values for her so she never gives up She is is still pursuing who value and that I think added to the power of the show She doesn't give up. She doesn't mope. She she's a fighter to the end and and you have to love. I mean I don't know anybody who doesn't fall in love with her Given what kind of what she represents and and who she is and what she is so anyway, that is my interpretation of the ending of Mr. Sunshine all of you who muted can unmute of course you can't hear me, but hopefully Does that make sense shows you yes, and that's very much, you know, how I saw it too I think where I found the difficulty was in all the supporting characters And this is so much more credit to the writers of the show is that you could almost walk away thinking that it was nihilistic That it doesn't matter what you do It doesn't matter if you grow if you redeem if you stop trying to play all sides against each other But choose a side as he eventually did that you're still gonna end up the same way But the final scene of ice in being fulfilled of still living that life you realize that you know They weren't sacrifices and that she's not living a life of resentment. She's not living halfway because of these losses She's living fully Exactly as well. She should and and that final scene is what keeps the show I think away from the nihilism that for a moment there for a moment there Almost still come to but I didn't know I mean look I think even in a lot of action movies and a lot of westerns People who commit sins and then redeem themselves die and a lot of them morality play that's involved there is You know sudden sins cannot redeem cannot be easily redeemed in life and and and you know I The names of the movies escape me But you can think of a lot of heroes who you know have a dark past Do something heroic but end the movie dying not out of nihilism but out of a sense of There's a price to pay and and you you know, there's a sense in which justice is fully You know, you can't be a gangster and even though you turn into a good guy There's still a price to pay and the price and a big part of that price cut is often your life So I think it's a it's a motif in many many movies. It's not unique to You know, it's not unique to to this movie or to this series Yeah, absolutely. LA said me it conjures up Kira and also, you know, eddie willers and sheryl and alishra that in a world That's so brutalizing Good ordinary people suffer the most and it you know, although i'm still hoping eddie's alive Right francisco's hired a plane and they gone out and they found him That's a question for the next q&a. 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