 Yeah, the ID Tech X, and who are you? My name is Paulien Vendonga. I'm a Dutch fashion designer, fashion innovator, specialized in wearable technology. So you made a solar shirt? Yes. A solar t-shirt also? It's a solar t-shirt. Yeah, we made a man's wear and a women's wear version. Together with the whole center, our partner, we combined flexible printed electronics with in-film solar cells so that your clothing can harvest energy for you. That's awesome. So that means your clothes is actually useful for something? Yeah, especially when you go outdoors and you go off-grid and you want to continue charging your devices, be connected. And how about this one? This one is a running shirt that we developed together with Philips Research. It's supposed to light up, right? It's supposed to light up. Yeah, it integrates LED ribbons. And we've placed them behind these very thin and prismatic foils so that the light creates an interesting effect, besides, of course, offering safety and visibility. So they would be light all over the back right here so the cars see the person from far away? Exactly, yeah. And it also adds something to the look, of course, because it's not only about creating some functionalities, but really tying it into desirable ability, to fashion, and tying it into people's lifestyles. So what do you think is going to be the future of smart closing? How many things are going to be possible? You're talking about light and solar charging? Are you considering other things? Are you researching other things? Yes, I think there's not one singular answer, and that's why I think it's important to explore many different technologies and many different ways of integrating and implications. I think for me, the future of fashion is about becoming dynamic and responsive. So it's really about creating materials that can adapt and change to the circumstances, to personal preferences, that have a specific behavior that can support us in the way that we live our lives and that can create interesting new expressions. And it's not only Haute Couture, right? No, I- You did the presentation, and what were you talking about? Yeah, well, I think what I was trying to say is that a lot of these designs, they are mind-blowing and they give us an idea about the future, but they are not grounded in everyday lives. And I think a lot of these technologies, they are real. We can already use them. So instead of only making one of Haute Couture pieces, I think we should look into how to manufacture them, also on a larger scale, and really have people benefit from it. All right, what do you think about this one? Well, I think that's one of the examples of a more Haute Couture kind of artistic piece. This is another designer, right? Yeah. Right? So I think smart closing is gonna be bigger than the iPhone. It's gonna, because this is, everybody needs clothes and everybody's gonna buy the clothes that actually has function. Like, it could be hard rate or it could be something else. Yeah, I think in a lot of cases, we have to think about what makes sense because clothing is something that we wear and that's something we should capitalize on in a sense that it can extend and enlarge our embodied experience. Something that a phone doesn't do because we carry a phone with us but we also put it away. It's not connected to our bodies and that's a whole different story. All right, so this one has a USB and you can just charge it out of the pocket. So this one is a cable and let's see if it charges. That's awesome. So it's been charging this tiny battery here? Yeah, basically it stores the energy in a tiny battery and you can use it whenever you need to. All right, so do you have other designers working with you? At the moment, I'm collaborating with several textile companies and I'm looking for collaborations also with larger brands because I think I can help them facilitate and help them explore these new directions that are maybe a bit too far removed from them at the moment. I can help them integrate and help them understand the possibilities and really bring it to the market. And this conference is perfect, right? There's lots of potential partners and materials. Yeah, I think in terms of technology and in terms of material suppliers and knowledge and expertise when it comes to, well, graphene, energy harvesting, 3D printing, this is a playground for me at least. So you just walk around and you look and you say, oh, that's awesome, I wanna make a dress with your and then they say okay or how does it work? Well, well, first of all, a lot of people responded very enthusiastically on my presentation this morning so that was really a conversation starter. And yeah, I look around, I explain people what I do and how that might integrate with their work and yeah. Cool. All right, it's possible to buy? Not yet. We're working on commercializing it at the moment. We still have to make it a bit more robust but we plan to of course bring it to the market. That's great. And I hope it's stable. It doesn't shatter or break or... No, no, that's the benefit of the printed electronics. They have a really high band ratio and actually the electronics themselves, the whole center has proven that they are washable so we're now only figuring out how to make the solar cells washable. And there's a way to kinda like make it part of the... Yeah, basically through the lamination process and making these layers very thin and stretchable using the meanders. We really make a close bond with the textile.