 My background I'm probably something like we would refer to as a systems native Lord start for me when I was still at grammar school looking to philosophy and meeting Kierkegaard who described the self as a relation that relates to itself which is bringing forward the very essence of cybernetics and system thinking looking in to how do feedback loops and context bring about what we refer to as emergence as holds Being generated out of its parts, but in that process becoming something that is different from the sum of its parts which suggests in completely different world view in contrast to the dominant idea of linear reductionist engineering modern science which Try to have clear cut relationships of course And and effect and the world is in pockets that simple if you build a road of your infrastructure Engineering all of that. Yes, but beyond that what is often referred to as soft side, which is much much easier There the world works differently and systems and cybernetics. I learned We're informing me about a Way to look at the world in a more that is fit for the complexity the uncertainty ambiguity and the velocity of Volatility of the book our world the entire Discourse at the moment is all about is how do we meet the challenges of the Anthropocene in the 21st century? The entire United Nations sustainable development golds revolve around that question and we see that we need this It's not really new but this systemically informed kind of thinking and approaches to meet those challenges and within Systems cybernetics complexity chaos theory we need to look for Development progress improvement and innovation and this is where systems innovation Comes into the picture for me to not just sit there and say saying oh system sciences Has known it for for 50 years now and and now the the mainstream is catching up. No, we need to develop that further It has not taken on in the last 50 years except this for Different reasons, but this is certainly one reason to not think about the only the very discipline of systems cybernetics Complexity in terms of improvement and innovation unless this is why I'm so Grateful for this Conference systems innovation bringing that all together bringing together the the well-informed Academic disciplines and we're a lot of people down there who've been in in in that field for four years and the entire NGO feel with inspired young people who wrong projects and and Who are activists and want to change the world and they they who drive the action could stand on The shoulder of Giants and that is something I would love to contribute to to to see that happen Relate a little bit to to what we do at the European School of Governance in terms of Anthropocene thinking Which is not to say and drop us the Anthropocene Sciences because we have the problem with the term sciences that isn't very much refers to this empiric linear linear ideas of truth while complexity is a field that It's difficult to to capture with this kind of traditional idea of truth you need to Understand that it is not a classical science But that was that that system thinking or complexity thinking goes beyond what we used to Refer to it sciences. It's a more complex way complexity Sports and more complex thinking that is not can it cannot be reduced to just looking for empirical evidence if you if you leave the field of sort of two variables in mathematics you equation with three variables and more You know have more than one solution and then the question is is that which solution is True are they all true or none of them and then you see it immediately that the focus on truth the scientific focus on truth does not Does not hold anymore Yeah, and what you need is to learn to navigate this kind of complexity the multiple truthers them the multiple ways to Draft the future to approach a future so that we are not preparing According the idea of the one future that is coming inevitably coming and we need to prepare but to see that with all that we do in the present we are Supporting the one or the other scenario of Multiple possible futures. Yeah, and if we if we are there then we can choose and we can choose to say this is the most Disable future out of a spectrum of futures and we can prepare for that and the criteria criteria for that may go beyond truth They may may be functional adequacy as system cybernetics suggests they may be integration like integral theory suggests or harmony look like the theories of resonance suggests so it's a it's a different approach to Towards that kind of thinking altogether which and that comes back to your question which base the potential to unleash its full capacity to serve To serve new ideas or bring about new ideas and Enables us to to come up with new practices We just had that wonderful keynote from Sally Euron from the forum for the future and what I liked very much was was her saying we need to do away park away our egos and To collaborate and that is goes far beyond sort of the the lip service of our well We come together for a workshop and what we need to to see and civil society especially in civil society but also in academia also in business to To integrate to find ways of smart integration that allow people Not to to only to work together case by case but to to create a field together in which new things become possible and where they collectively create create momentum and gravity does and gravitation towards Attracting more resources more people Because the situation we are living in at the moment. I earlier described in the introduction as There's an invisible mr. Evil sort of giving a little money to little initiatives and little NGOs Too much to die not enough to survive and setting up a competition that keeps these people busy Looking for resources to sustain themselves rather than to really make a change and if they Would discover that's United They would be much stronger they could pull their their their their resources and attract more resources and By doing so becoming relevant players in the field That would be lovely. I would love to see