 Hey everybody, tonight we're discussing whether or not Rogan's podcast does more harm than good and we are starting right now with Steven's opening. Steven, thanks so much for being with us. The floor is all yours. Hey James, thanks for having me. Just to be clear, I should have chosen the intro. The original email you sent was related especially to the coronavirus, the COVID-19, the pandemic coverage and everything, yes. Correct, absolutely. I believe that over the past year especially, if not in the history of all of media kind, I think that media has definitely made mistakes in regards to how it covers a lot of events that have happened in the United States. I think that we've seen a few famous blunders in the mainstream media recently that give us some pause and maybe some concern for how some of these events have been covered. I think it's totally fair for people to be critical of mainstream media and I think that alternative media can be really valuable for holding mainstream media accountable for some of their opinions. That being said, I think that alternative media needs to be critically evaluated in the same way that mainstream media is evaluated as well. I feel like when we look at mainstream media, people are very keen to analyze all the financial motives, all of the contraindications that things are saying, all of the different reasons why the mainstream media might be dishonest or not forthcoming about something, but when it comes to alternative media, we seem to drop all of that criticism, all of that critical evaluation to the wayside and we just believe what they're saying because they're giving us a story that the mainstream media is not giving us. When it comes to the coronavirus or COVID-19 or the pandemic, I think that Joe Rogan has had a number of conversations on his podcast, but I think it's evident by looking at how his audience engages with his content that the overwhelming amount of attention that he's given has been to what I would characterize as conspiracy theorists on his program. And I think that most of the information that he disseminates is blatantly false, not bordering on malicious conspiracy theory. And I think that him presenting these things as two equivalent sides to a debate is dishonest. And if he was doing it as a mainstream media player, we would be far more critical of him than we are as in being an alternative media person. So I would say that Joe Rogan has done more harm in regards to the pandemic for information that's being spread into society than he has good in terms of hosting alternative viewpoints. You got it, thank you very much for that opening. And then Gavin, for you as well, thanks so much for being with us. If you'd like a few minutes for your opening, the floor is all yours. I mean, I think I want to concede, that was great. And I agree with Destiny. I think we're done here. All right, well, that was a lot of fun, cool. That was, it's like a fight when there's just a knockout, like a Tyson knockout at the beginning. Like the crowd all has to go home now. I think that the assignment here seems to be a little bit amorphous. The email I got said, has Joe Rogan's coronavirus reporting done more harm than good? And I mean, it's all basically the same argument, but if we should start with the original assignment, and that was the original assignment. And I think the problem with that assignment is it sort of splits into two. And the two things are, one, is there such a thing as misinformation and should there be total free speech and should be able to say whatever you want, which I believe. And I think that's impossible to argue. So what I would suspect that Destiny would wanna do is get away from that and say that we need to be, the vaccine is very important and we're in a pandemic and you can't afford to even flirt with anti-vaxxers because people will die and that trumps free speech. So the assignment was, should Joe Rogan not be doing these COVID things? And I think the only way to win a question like that is to say the vaccine is crucial, we're all gonna die. So can we sort of narrow it down to that? Because obviously we all agree that alternative media should exist, right? Yeah, I think so. Right, so even if you think that Joe, to go with the new evolution of this assignment, even if you think that Joe Rogan is doing more harm than good, we all agree that he should have the right to do so. In terms of the right to do so, I think probably I don't want the government stepping in and making laws against who can say what, I think that's a little bit weird. Although I think we're all largely not interested in that conversation anymore because social media platforms have so much power that the legality doesn't matter anymore, right? If Facebook and Twitter all come together and say, hey, we're not gonna host your speech or Spotify in this case, it really doesn't matter if it's legally protected by the government, you're still pretty screwed in that case. Yeah, but outside of the law, we're talking about what should happen. And do you agree that, destiny I'm talking to you obviously, do you agree that we should have free speech for everyone? Joe Rogan should have the ultimate right to talk to flat earthers and people who think that the sun gives you all the nutrients you need and all that shit? I mean, if you want to have the conversation, sure, but I guess I'm less interested in like, should you have the right to do something and more interested in the conversation? Like what's your responsibility to society or the public at large? Like how should you be platforming these conversations? Let's recalibrate now. Let's restart. And the new assignment is, has Joe Rogan's show done more harm than good in the past two years, specifically related to COVID? And the fact that the idea whether he should or not have a platform is now extinguished. Sure, yeah, we don't, I mean, I imagine we'll probably come back to that, but yeah. Okay, good. I think we're in such a nebulous time that how the fuck do you quantify if Joe Rogan's, we're really talking about two podcasts, right? We're talking about the Malone guy and the doctor. And we're saying has, have those interviews done more harm than good? That's specifically what we're arguing about right now. Yeah, I think essentially for the coronavirus stuff. And I don't see how you could argue that information is bad. Sure, so this is a kind of an odd question. Did you ever see a long time ago when John Stewart went on Crossfire? He basically, some people would argue that he got the show shut down. You familiar with this? Yeah, it's a huge pet peeve of mine. Okay. Well, I don't know where you're standing on it, but I stand on that he did not shut Tucker down. Tucker had a new job. Okay, sure. Maybe they brought on a comedian to be a funny guy. And instead of being funny, he totally fucked them over and went on the attack and like destroyed the whole segment and used it as a propaganda piece based on bow ties and negligence. Sure. So ignoring our personal feelings about what happened, I think that Stewart made a good point that the concept of the show was really cool. The idea that you could have political debates on both sides and you could see like an opinion flushed out in the middle based on the tension between these two positions. But I think Stewart's issue is that it felt more like theater. And when I look at Joe Rogan, I feel similarly. When Joe Rogan talks about some of these issues. Dude, there's way more theater in this than on a Joe Rogan episode. I mean, we can agree to disagree or maybe you're very theatric, but okay. I think that when Joe Rogan has conversations with people, especially like the Robert Malone episode, I think the issue is that it could be really cool to bring on a variety of people and really hammer out both sides of this debate. Are there issues with the vaccine? Is it, do we really need to be masking children? Those are cool arguments to have, but it's not just people that are coming on and presenting different tidbits of information. It's people like Dr. Malone that come on and essentially engage in like conspiracy with a bunch of facts that aren't true or supported. And then Joe is very critical of one side. Bunch of conspiracy without, with facts that are not true and are not supported. Yeah, correct. So he was, so Dr. Robert Malone was just spewing a bunch of facts. I mean, a bunch of fake facts that are not supported. Correct. I think he was spewing a bunch of facts. Some of them are controversial. Some of them are open to debate, but to call them conspiracy theories and lies is a stretch. Well, so I mean, we can get into individual things. So for instance, when Dr. Robert Malone talks about how hospitals are coding patients to die in a certain way, that they've had the, they've died from COVID-19 just so they can get kickbacks and money. And then later on- Yeah, that's a great example. I'm glad you brought that up. Okay. So that would be an example of a lie. This isn't reported. No, it's not a lie. It's not a lie. See, there's some gray here. We're talking about incredibly complex stuff, which is bizarre that a stripper from Louisiana and I, a Canadian drunk, are having a debate about how hospitals fill out paperwork. But when these people fill out the paperwork, it is advantageous to everyone to make sure COVID is there. And by the way, this is not doctors like killing people so they can get a cash, a money back. This is doctors making sure they include COVID so they don't get sued for malpractice when the guy dies and they find COVID in him and COVID wasn't listed in the death certificate and they go, what the fuck? Where's the COVID? We're suing you. So there's all kinds of litigation and financial sort of a push to make sure COVID is on these cases. It's not a lie. It's not a conspiracy theory. These are general patterns in hospitals. For example, if you're a doctor and you're working at a hospital, there's a thing called leaking where if you say, okay, you've got fucking eye dandruff and if I send you to the Celsen Blue expert who's down the street and that has nothing to do with the hospital, you're leaking, you're sending a patient out of our hospital to somewhere else. That's bad for a business. Now, you're not gonna get fired for that but we encourage you not to leak. We encourage you to keep everything within the hospital and if you do that over a long period of time, your career is going better. So these are sort of general ebbs and flows and movements. They're not lies or conspiracy theories. It is currently advantageous to include COVID when you're reporting about a death or an illness because you might get sued if you don't and the hospital generally prefers it. You don't get a fucking $10,000 check in a wink when you walk out the door. So this is the problem with the interpretation. Yeah, sure. So what do you think Malone is trying to say when he presents those facts? Malone is trying to say that we have totally ignored financial implications of this disease, both from the recording of it and the administering the treatment of it. So what Malone is trying to get at is the idea that there are deaths being coded as COVID-19 deaths that shouldn't be. That's what he's trying to say. Do you agree with him? Yes, he's saying in a perfect world, if we didn't have these strange amorphous blobs floating around changing things, that yes, in a perfect world, it would just be you were in a motorcycle accident. You happen to have COVID, but it's not relevant here. It's not going on the list. So, but the issue is that it seems like you have an understanding that hospitals have to code for deaths all the time. They need to. It could be a matter of billing insurance companies. It could be a matter of transferring to other hospitals. It could be a matter of having accurate patient records. There are reasons why hospitals code for deaths a certain way. The idea that you might get more money based on the type of treatment or procedures that a patient needs, this isn't anything new or unique with COVID-19. This isn't the first time that coding a death has been important for getting a financial kickback to the hospital. So to bring it up in regards to COVID-19, yeah. But when Robert Malone brings it up, no. When Robert Malone brings it up in regards to COVID-19, and when I've seen conservatives bring it up over and over and over again, the implication is that hospitals are lying about COVID-19 deaths, that a guy gets shot and killed. George Floyd, that was marked as a COVID-19 death. That people are saying that- Well, it's the only one that wasn't actually. People are saying that these COVID-19 deaths are essentially being fabricated by the hospitals to earn money. No, they're not saying that. They're not saying that. That is absolutely the implication. They're casting a very wide net in order to cover their asses. And I don't think you can dispute the fact that of all of these horrific deaths, I think we're up to 900,000 now, something like 96% had tons of other problems. So you have someone with cancer who dies, they also had COVID. We're not sure how much COVID had to do with the drifting into the metastasization of the cancer. So we just put it on there, we cast a wide net. You were trying to change that into, that's a cancer death, let's make it a COVID death. It's not that simple. This is why, you know what's funny, by the way? With all this misinformation, you and I are doing exactly what everyone is accusing Joe Roganoff. We are currently spreading misinformation just by having this discussion. You shouldn't have me on your show. I'm spreading the misinformation right now. Okay, so the issue is that the things that Dr. Robert Malone is saying, I don't know why you're denying it. Maybe it's a joke for you, but I know that you've heard and maybe you've said the joke specifically is that we're trying to say that the coronavirus is being marked incorrectly on death certificates in order for hospitals to make more money. That's what the implication is. And now you're trying to obfuscate by saying, oh, well, a lot of these people like comorbidity. Yeah, that's how diseases work. Of course people with comorbidities are more likely to die. When being obese is a comorbidity for a disease and like 40% of Americans are obese and the older you are more likely to be obese. You're talking so fast. You should have like Ben Shapiro on Adderall. Obviously, there's going to be more people die. Okay, can I get close captions? I'll try to speak. Well, you don't even have me on your TV show. I'll slow it down a little bit, okay? Take less Adderall and more burping. Okay, in terms of who's done more drugs on camera here, I'm pretty sure it's you than me, okay? In terms of people dying with comorbidities and being more likely to have a comorbidity when they die, that's not like surprising. And if anything, that is to be expected. People who are old in the United States are more likely to be fat, have diabetes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. All of these things are absolutely true. You have diabetes? In the United States, believe it or not, probably have diabetes. No, you have diabetes, did you say? I said people in the United States who are older and obese are likely to have a comorbidity. It's like these things whizzing by my head and I have to sort of grab a word if I can see it. Gotcha. Whip by me like Blade Runner. So if people are, there are other ways that we can look at like the number of deaths as well. We don't have to just say like, oh my God, all these gunshot victims had COVID-19 and that's where all the deaths are coming. We can just look at excess deaths over the year and we can say, oh, hey, the number of coronavirus deaths we're reporting seems to also be lining up a little bit under the total excess deaths we're reporting as well. It's not like we're just taking the words of the hospitals and be like, oh my God, 900,000 people died. Well, maybe they would have died anyway. That doesn't seem to be the case. It does seem to be the case actually. What are we at? Like 2.7 million Americans die a year and it seems to be going up about 1.8%, which is what the population is going up. I think there's probably maybe a 14% increase over the past few years from the normal American deaths per year, but it's pretty clear when you look at the lack of flu deaths and other deaths that we are tunneling other deaths into here. And I don't think it's doctors going, I get it, I get it, all right, COVID, so you give me a check. No, they don't wanna get sued and it's good for business to make sure COVID is in there. But- Oh, this is just absolutely- I'm not saying that there's a motorcycle accident that someone writes COVID on the report, but I am saying that every cancer death, every fat, every old that dies, they make sure COVID is listed. The deaths per year are about 14, 15% more than they have been before. Sorry, it's called a bad flu season. And a bad flu season is 50,000 people dead, not three or 400,000 people dead. That's a bad flu season. You can look at numbers- No, no, no, no, no, no, slow down. When you say 50,000, you're talking about forms that say only Spanish flu, no corrobiti, only Spanish flu. No, that's not true. When they're doing this 900,000, it's all this other shit plus COVID. And also those people weren't fat. If you're totally honest with yourself, you will concede that COVID is fat aids. We are living at an era of fat aids. God is sending us a message. And the message is, stop being so fat. So that's just, if you're an atheist, just change God with nature. Nature's sending us a message. You have an obesity problem. Do you think that the flu is a special virus that targets healthy people and COVID-19 is a disease that only affects people with high comorbidities? No, I think that the flu. Do you think that the flu can kill you? Excuse me, yes, me question. You ask me a question, destiny. You ask me a question, auctioneer. He's got the name of a black stripper from New Orleans, but he talks like an auctioneer. You ask me if the Spanish flu affects only healthy people. It affects everyone. But back then we weren't fat fucking pigs. Now we're fat fucking pigs. So we die. It sucks. It's terrible. Fats and olds are dying at unprecedented rates. But what did Joe Rogan do? Because this whole thing was supposed to be about Joe Rogan. What did Joe Rogan do that got people killed? Pray tell. So we were going over the misinformation that was spread on Joe Rogan's podcast. And one of those things that it appears like even you've bought into it is that hospitals incorrectly are marking COVID-19 on death certificates when they should. I never said incorrectly. They're passing too wide of a net. Excuse me, sir. Excuse me. You're interrupting. Excuse me. Okay. Every country in the world. You're saying I have a more nasally voice than you? Every single country around the world is marking excess deaths. And all of them are seeing a market increase in excess deaths that are more or less matching up with their COVID-19 deaths. It's not like we have the same number of people dying. But all of a sudden that guy with stage four metastasized cancer that happened to have a cough on his last day on Earth, we're calling it a COVID-19 death. That is just not true. That's not happening. Yes, it is. OK, well, I mean, if you want to Google excess deaths worldwide, you can see like 55 different studies and sources from every country, every first world country around the world that will disagree. But we're all doing the same thing because we were all petrified of this pandemic. We want to make sure that when you die in Italy of cancer and there was also COVID, you want to make sure COVID is included. And I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. COVID is not included. It does not mean COVID is cause of death. That's not what we're talking about. They don't know. They don't know what COVID did to their immune system as they were fighting the cancer. OK, if only there was somebody that had years of undergrad, pre-med, medical training, residency, clinical experience that might be able to make that evaluation when they're filling out the piece of paper determining what killed a person. Maybe some hospitals have these people around. Do you think it's possible? Maybe. It might be rare, but maybe some hospitals have them. Maybe not that simple, my friend. That's why you and I are not doctors. You can't just fucking sit on your ass and pull it out of your ass. When someone dies of cancer, how much did COVID affect their immune system's response? Do you think doctors are magic? They go, it might have really fucked their immune system. I don't know. But I'm going to put it on this form so I make sure that I've crossed all my T's and dotted all my I's. Writing that somebody had COVID-19 is not the same thing as saying the cause of death was COVID-19. There is not, again, if you look at the excess deaths. They don't say their cause of death was COVID-19. If you look at the excess deaths in the United States, it's not like, oh my God, we have 200,000 COVID deaths, but only 20 lung cancer deaths this year. Wow, we must have gotten really good at dealing with smokers in society. And maybe those vape pens aren't as bad as all the other old people say they are. That's not what's happening. We're still seeing deaths all across society in relatively expected numbers, but there is a big excess death that seems to pretty conveniently line up with, man, these are also the reported case for fatality rates for the coronavirus. How many Americans died this year of, died in general? I don't know the numbers for- Throw me a ballpark. Give me a ballpark. I have truly have no idea. Okay, is it 100? Give me a ballpark. How many Americans die every year? We're at 331 million people. How many Americans die every year? How many Americans die every year in the United States? If I had to guess, it's probably in the low millions. Well, I already told you at the beginning of this debate, you dunce. It's 2.7, 2.8. The population is going up about 1.8% a year, and we have seen about a 14% increase. So this concept of we're pushing motorcycle deaths and lung cancer deaths over to COVID is factually true. Okay, so when you said there's- You said there's two to three million deaths a year. What did you say? About 2.7, 2.8, 2.9. And if that increases 14%, did our population size increase 14% in a year? What is 14% of 2 million? 14% of 2 million. Now we're doing math quizzes here. 14% of 2 million would be all the black people in 2 million. So 14% of 2 million is over what, 200,000 deaths? 280,000 deaths? So is this lining up with about where we think the coronavirus deaths might be? Or do you think that that's just like a totally, like we have a 14%- We think the coronavirus deaths are 900,000. In one year? No, no, since the beginning of the coronavirus epidemic. Which is like, what, three years? Two years, two and a half years? Yeah, just over two years. So I guess we're up to three, like 250 a year. Is that where we're at? So if the excess deaths for like two or three years has been about 200,000 to 300,000 a year over what we expected, why would you assume that's a natural growth and not just, wow, maybe an extra 600,000 or 700,000? Oh, I'm not assuming it's a natural growth. No, let me be clear about this. The coronavirus pandemic is a very serious disease. It is the most contagious thing we've ever dealt with in the history of global medicine. I don't want to go back to the plague, but it's that levels of contagious. It is mind-numbingly contagious. Every doctor I talk to shits his pants about how contagious this is. It's amazing. However, it's not particularly damaging. It's not Ebola or this one. If it was Ebola or the swine flu, we'd all be dead. This would be the bubonic plague. So luckily it only affects olds and fats in preexisting conditions. I gotcha. If you had to take a guess. See, look at this. We started this debate about Joe Rogan's and now we're deciding if COVID is of serious disease or not. Sure, so we're not. You were thinking that. I'm not thinking that. So let's say in 2019, if you had to guess, okay? How many people think that of heart disease? I'll give you a hint. It's the number one killer people in the United States. Are you Googling this as we talk? I don't have a computer. Yeah, sure. I'm just asking you. Did you Google that? No, I have every fact memorized at the top of my head actually. I talk about this. Okay, so now you sarcastically avoid the fact that you're sitting there. Are you accusing me of sarcasm? I would never Google in a debate, sir. That is one of the most dishonorable things I could ever think of. One, the internet weed debate, bro, is taking that very seriously. It's not so much dishonorable as boring. It's horrible. Like we're in a bar. Debate should be in a bar. You're not allowed to pull out your phone. Okay, so we're debating in a bar when you say, did you know that 2.4 million excess deaths were reported and 14% is the increase year over year with that's a bar stat to you. You would pull that out of a bar when you're talking to somebody. Okay, well, this is my bar stat. I happen to have- Where's my computer, fucking head? Don't you have a fucking cell phone? Yeah, but I'm not looking at it. Well, that's not my problem. What? We're talking about who's looking up shit as they talk. I didn't say I'm looking up shit, but you're complaining to me that you don't have access to your cell phone. I don't know if your mom took it from you or if you're in trouble or grounded or what. If you have it on, you pull it out. Are you looking up shit as you talk? I would never do that, sir. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I'm never sarcastic. I have high-sumptioning autism. That sounds like sarcastic too. I can't be sarcastic. It's not in my nature to be sarcastic. That sounds- That also sounds sarcastic. James, tell him, James, I can't be sarcastic. Oh yeah, we were just about to move on to that, but I was just curious how many people Gavin thought died over a year of heart disease. I just wanted to know that. That's what I talk about when I go to the bar. I'm gonna guess how many people die of heart disease. Yeah, about. I'm gonna say 300,000. Okay, close. It's about, in 2019, I think, I'm just off the top of my head, I think it was 659,041 people. That's not close. Yeah, it was within like the order of magnitude, okay? In 2020, that number went up to like 700,000. So we didn't hide it in heart disease deaths, okay? Cancer deaths in 2019 were about 599,601, if my memory serves me correctly. That number went up to over 600,000. Yes, but destiny, there's a Venn diagram where COVID subsumes those deaths too. No, because you can only have one cause of death on a death certificate. You're adding 700 plus 200. You're up to like 900,000. That's all of COVID ever. How many people died now? In 2020, there were 350,000 new deaths due to COVID-19. None of these other categories saw a huge decrease in deaths. Most of them went up. Haven't we heard? Girls, Alzheimer's, diabetes, all these things went up. So it's a myth that flu deaths had vanished and they all got pushed into COVID? Influenza is marked as influenza and pneumonia. Now there were a lot of pneumonia deaths that were marked. Now maybe that was because of the coronavirus and they should have encountered this coronavirus. So maybe the coronavirus should be even higher, but the influenza and pneumonia deaths for 2020 were about 53,500, if memory serves me right. Yeah. So we have to discuss, did flu deaths vanish or did they not vanish? Because the story that I've been told is that flu deaths are down to almost nothing and they all got pushed into COVID. Is that a lie? My understanding is influenza things basically vanished, yes. So that's odd, isn't it? Not really. If we're taking unprecedented steps, well, no, but we all took steps to be less infectious in society. Doesn't it make sense that an infectious disease would probably decrease? Dude, why? You wanna win this debate so bad you're letting people die. I'm not even asking a question. It's like you're saying like, you're saying like, bro, you're saying that just because we told everybody to stay home, drunk driving, accidents decrease, that's possible. Yeah, I gotta win this bitch. Sorry, fuck you. So do you think that it's unfathomable that as we take historic steps to decrease our interaction with each other that maybe influenza does might have decreased by a percent? And diseases were obliterated. We lost influenza. How many people do you think died? How many people? We didn't have herpes. Did herpes disappear? Look, both hands, I'm holding both hands up here so I'm not looking it up, okay? How many people do you think die of influenza every year? What do you think is the number? Jesus Christ, what an excintillating debate this is. Hey kids, do it in. You started it with the number thing. You started the number thing. influenza, hey, guess how many kids died polio in 1927? It's fun when you do it, when you have your memorized out, but it's not fun when we look at any of the data. Mine were pretty more, they're much more serious. It's how many Americans die every year. That's a little more than how many old ladies couldn't breathe in 2020. American old ladies, excuse me. It's influenza, I'm gonna give you a fucking. It's like the number, you don't have to guess. It's like, that's a really bad flu season. On average, I think it's like 10 to 15,000, okay? We don't have all these people. Yeah, we don't have all these people that are dying of influenza. We're guessing the numbers with destiny and Gavin. We will be guessing the population of Papa Dughini after the break. Please stay tuned. And also we're gonna guess what 377 times 17 is. It's probably a lot. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. This debate was supposed to be about Joe Rogan and should, is he more bad than good? And my intention is, if I may sort of try to steer this beast, and if I'm wrong, then steer it back. But I'd like to steer this beast too. Joe Rogan should have the right to speak. And within the same sort of paradigm, Westerners don't like the mandates. They're pissed off. The mandates may be good. For example, brushing your teeth before and after, when you wake up, when you go to bed, is great for cavities. Wearing a helmet 24 hours a day is good. You will not get head injuries. You will definitely reduce the number of injuries in the country. But Americans, and I'm happy to see Canadians, don't like to see this shove down their throat. So Joe Rogan can have an open platform and discuss whatever the fuck he wants with anyone. They can have any theory. Pedophilia and the Holocaust are the most controversial ones. That's another thing. But I should be able to discuss coronavirus with anyone, any of their theories. And I don't believe harm comes from that. Information is only good. All news is good news. Even if it's fake news. And then as far as the rebellion goes. What if the news is just wrong? What if it's like fake? Fantastic, go bananas. I've had flat earthers on my show. I'm not asking if you've had flat earthers on your show. We're asking if he does more harm than good. And if you plot from a bunch of fake misinformation and people would believe it, and it's not real, is that a good thing? Or do you think it's just like that meme? Can I just call you Steve? Destiny is the game I've ever come across. I typically go by Stephen, but I know how much. Where did you come up with destiny? Did you go to strip clubs in the South too much? Absolutely. That you get a lot of mileage out of an Louisiana joke. Are you our destiny? What does destiny mean? It's your destiny to be incredibly frustrated by debating them when you can't see me on the screen. Your destiny is to do, man. You know, originally, I was gonna be the Count Dracula guy from the Sesame Street, because I love numbers and multiplication. That's funny at least. Be Count Chocula. That's hilarious. But I started gaining... Okay. It's a stripper who's been abused her whole life. Gotcha. Anyway, Steve, do you think that... So what we're talking about, mandates or Joe Rogan? Because you did a whole segment on mandates. I don't know why. Because I think that the danger with Joe Rogan is, people won't get vaccinated. And the understanding is that people don't get vaccinated are stupid and crazy. And they've been brainwashed by Joe Rogan's into thinking that the vaccine is bad. That's not true. The reason that the truckers are in Canada, the reason that there's a convoy coming up... The truckers in Canada have to do with anything. Why are we talking about the truckers in Canada? Because if Joe Rogan's show is dangerous, then the vaccine is good and it's being whitewashed by Joe Rogan to be bad, or blackwashed, whatever you want to call it. And so the trucker convoy in Canada is an example of people taking Joe Rogan-like propaganda and using it to destroy the country and destroy their lives. Do you normally have like a Glenbeck whiteboard on here where you're drawing like all the lines and shit? Is this like Charlie? And it's always... I'm trying to follow the... If Joe Rogan is bad, then the vaccine is good. And truckers are in Ottawa protesting the mandates in the lockdown because... What was the link back to Joe Rogan there? Well, I'll say it slowly. OK, yeah. Like a fucking chipmunk. You're trying to like match my speed and I'm getting lost because I'm normally the only one in Adderall. Do you do Adderall? Are you on Adderall right now? Only for my most challenging debates. So I hiked up for this one. OK. OK, good. I'm glad you chilled out. If Joe Rogan's COVID information is bad, then you would have rebellions where people say, I'm not taking the vaccine. OK. One of such rebellions going on right now is happening in Canada. There's many more coming up. OK, I don't see how those connect. Really? Do you think the rebellion in Canada is caused by Joe Rogan or Joe Rogan telling... No, I'm... What is the connection? We're talking about the dangers of misinformation. Yeah. And in the context of this debate, the dangers of misinformation are people not taking the vaccine seriously. Correct. That's one of them, yeah. OK, that's one of them, yeah. Dude, don't do that, or I'm going to fucking strangle you. My bad. OK. You don't even know what I look like. I can be sure. I could be huge. I can be like a six, eight black guy. No, I don't. I'm not into violence. Massive muscle. OK. Well, because you threaten me. I fight people every day that are bigger and smaller than me. I'm not. I'm not talking about being equal opportunity. But I appreciate people laughing at people they're talking to. OK. Is not acceptable here. My bad. So we draw the line. It's after the destiny stripper jokes. But before I laugh at you while you're talking to me, that's the correct. Yeah. OK, gotcha. Naming yourself destiny. That's like naming yourself it or naming yourself fucking someone who already has a name like Johnny Knoxville. I'm Stevie Knoxville. It's it's clearly embarrassing. It's begging for for ridicule. But laughing at someone when they're making a valid point assumes that their valid point is bullshit. OK. So you can't be sarcastic, which you said you were incapable of. OK, I can't be sarcastic. And when I laugh at you, that's not sarcasm. What we're discussing here, my son, said is Joe Rogan's information. Let's assume that he's having these people on his show that say the vaccine is bullshit. Don't get it. Right. Right. That's our worst case scenario here. That's the worst case if the vaccine is good and he's saying it's bad and they're not getting it. Yes. OK. So worst case with that is they have these big rallies where they go across the country saying, don't get the vaccine. The mandates are wrong. That would be one potential outcome. Yes. All right. Now, my point is these people who are protesting, everyone assumes they're anti-vaccine. They're not. They're anti-mandate. Even the guy that Rogan had on his show, he's vaccinated. He's not anti-vaccine. He's anti-mandate. And Americans and Canadians don't like being told what to do, even when it's the right thing. And I would argue this is a little outside the box that the Civil War was not about slavery. It was the South saying, wait, what are you telling me to do a thing? The thing could have been we're changing traffic lights from green to red. And they would have fucking died to the tune of 650,000 because they cannot handle being told what to do. Americans, Canadians, true Westerners don't like being told what to do, no matter how valid it is. Why do we have laws at all then? Why do we have laws at all? Because the laws that we have, the murder laws, the free speech laws, they've been tried and tested and true. And we all came out with them together. It's when it's not a unison. It's when the tyrants come up with it on their own and they say, I've decided this would be best for you. We're doing this mandate. That's when people get pissed off, when we're not a democracy. This is voting all of the leaders are democracies. So we have to work together to come up with these plans. When you unilaterally decide to fuck me over, I don't care if it's brushing my teeth three times a day. Fuck you. Until like very recently in Canada, wasn't there generally popular support behind the mandates? I don't know. I don't have Google on me. I don't know what you're talking about. Mandate, isn't that the mandates that were that were popular? Was it you have to be vaccinated to operate on a child? Well, it was well, the vaccinated across the border is a trucker thing. But I'm pretty sure they dropped that because that's enforced in the US side. So no matter how much you protest, that's not changing in Canada. But I mean, all of the social distancing measures, the mask mandates, the whatever vaccine passports, I don't know if they're doing that. Social distancing measures are not mandates. My understanding is that most mandate is you have to get the vaccine or you're fired. That's a that's a mandate. Is that the only step that they took in Canada to ensure the safety of citizens? You're changing it. You're you're pivoting as you keep accusing everyone else of doing excuse me. A mandate is you have to get the vaccine or you're fired. That's what everyone who's sane objects to. OK, but that's not the only thing in Canada that they've done to counteract coronavirus. No one's saying that. That's not why there's a convoy. The convoy is about do this or you're fired. And that's how the convoy is only about OK. So there should be rage. OK, so the convoy is only about the vaccine mandates then. Yeah, you think it's about six feet apart? No, I think it's about like replacing the government in Canada because you guys are never getting rid of the vaccine mandates because they're enforced in the US border side. I think that it's just everybody's just mad and they want to protest some shit. Hold on. I don't mean this in a negative way. I'm not trying to criticize you. Oh, thank God, you're about to say something. I have no fucking clue what you mean by what you just said. What's that? Say that again. Oh, do we have a funny comedy drop? Oh, gotcha. OK. Don't do those, Ryan. They derail the conversation. Yeah, Jesus Christ, Ryan. I feel like you just John Stewart did my fucking crossfire show now my brain. Why are you wearing a bow tie? Everything you do is a lie. Let me you're trying to have a political discussion and you're out here doing political theater. Oh, let me let me bring it back. OK, so my understanding was that initially the truckers wanted to protest the vaccine mandates at the border. But when you crossed in to the Canada border, that you either have to prove that you take in a negative PCR test or PCR doesn't gotten it back negative or had to be vaccinated. And originally, the trucker people were going to protest that. But then they realized, oh, shit, the United States enforces the same rule that when you go into the United States, the same thing. So they're like, well, fuck, there's no reason to protest this because it seems like, well, it's not going to change on the US side. So why the fuck does it matter? Truckers are going back and forth anyway. So now there's like a general debate over all of the measures that the Canadian states or provinces have taken to tell people what what businesses are closed or the capacities in places or whatever shit they have for the for the pandemic. It's like a general or national. Most truckers are not going back and forth over the border. OK, why were any of them opposing? He's on his way to Ottawa, his way to Washington. There's too much terrace and bullshit and red tape for them to be zigzagging across the border. Canadian truckers deal with Canada. Generally, American truckers deal with America. I don't even know if that's true. I thought I just made it up, but it sounds good. Well, you know what? I actually just Googled it and that's not true. Sixty four percent of sixty four percent of Canadian truckers actually go back and forth between the United States and Canada. OK, what are we arguing here? We're discussing whether the we're talking about the bad sides of Joe Rogan's disinformation. You brought up the bad side. You're the one. I don't we were trying to. I was still trying to build out the connection on your map to figure out how the fuck the truckers listened to Joe Rogan and decided to protest. I was still waiting for that. I didn't get that connection. I played too many video games and I think the Adderall fucks with my short term memory. Not that I took it and it's and I'm having trouble connecting it. But let's move on from this topic. I how long is this debate going to be? Because I want to have a long talk with you, Destiny, about your life. I think James said we weren't going to go over four or five hours for this. How long do you say? We've got about 10 minutes left until we go into the Q&A, folks. So if you have those questions, fire them into the old live chat and we're going to wrap up the open conversation shortly. OK, here's a here's a question for Gavin. I'm curious, OK, not even a Google question. Do you think that if we took a random sampling of US citizens, we had a group of people that didn't listen to Joe Rogan and a group of people that did listen to Joe Rogan? Who do you think is more likely to be vaccinated? Obviously, the people who listen to Joe Rogan are going to be less likely to be vaccinated. But I don't think that is due to Joe Rogan. You don't think that he might play a little bit of a less vaccinated than the left and lefties don't enjoy Joe Rogan as much as righties do. But don't you think that if you if you pulled country music fans and rap, but not rap fans, actually, you wouldn't like where that one goes where you want to go. Go ahead. If you if you were to pull country music fans and like indie rock fans, you would find way more vaccinated people with indie rock fans. That doesn't mean that I haven't heard. I didn't know that fucking, you know, Green Day or whatever. Or that's not indie rock. Put out a song saying featuring Dr. Robert Malone, Boulevard of broken myocarditis patients who got the COVID-19 vaccine. Right. Joe Rogan very specifically deals. Mumford and sons have supported have supported Joe Rogan. OK, I must have missed that album where they talk about part of the Joe Rogan scene and he's supported by Skrillex equals a death metal support the the the anti vaccine scene. So I think that it's probably I think it's pretty safe to say that Joe Rogan has a fan base that is probably less likely to be vaccinated than the general population. And Joe Rogan seems to say repeatedly. He's he's very critical of the vaccine. He'll kind of say, say, do you are your is your lawyer helping you with these quotes? Hold on. I don't have to answer that question in this format right now, actually, is what I've been told. So what Joe Rogan said, the worst thing I heard him say was he said, if someone was 29 and in good shape and they said, should I get the vaccine? I'd I'd tell them, oh, OK. So don't do it. He's not giving general advice. It's just I'm inclined to agree with them. That's I mean, because you're on your box every day. I don't think I need it. You just came home from the trucker protest listening to Joe Rogan, your victim of the misinformation that I claim, Joe Rogan, you just said, you don't do sarcasm. You're clearly terrible at jokes. Why do you think I'm being sarcastic? Why are you practicing? Are you trying to figure out sarcasm? You sound like one of those movies where the alien is trying to do humor and they're like, hello, why did the chicken cross the road? I'm trying sarcasm for the first time in my life. Seems like it's making you pretty upset. So I feel like I'm landing close. Yeah, I'm really I'm furious. The only thing that makes me upset is when you snicker and giggle. Those are deal breakers, but I don't mind if you try sarcasm. Go nuts. OK, what if I sarcastically laugh in the middle of another one of your monologues? I'll fucking lose it and find you. OK, are you vaccinated? Maybe you won't be able to get into the United States if you're if you're driving in your truck to get here. OK, anyway. So Joe Rogan, audience, less likely to be vaccinated. Probably that's irrelevant. That's your role in himself. Let's go back to the question. The question is the question is just Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan doing damage. And my point is free speech never does damage. Never does damage ever. No, never. Fire in a crowded theater. None of it. Fucking Holocaust, denial, pedophilia. They I want to fucking murder them. But they have the right to say that shit. We're not talking about if they have the right. The humanity is based on stories. We're based on information. You and I, like it or not, are in the information business. And the fact that we have this epoch of tattletail journalists who want to censor information is insane. It's like you're working as a fucking butcher and your anti meat or you're working in the restaurant industry and you want to regulate fucking what people can have, whether they should be vegetarians or meat eaters. We want everyone to get maximum information. What it or maybe maybe do it yourself. Maybe you want to do. You want the state to control Joe Rogan. You want someone else talking about controlling this. Who are you talking to trading? Who are you talking to? Who is the boss? Who's the genius who decides to say what he's absolutely losing it. We'll give a safe amount of time for death. What about the doctors and the nurses who have had ICU's that have been running past capacity for fucking 18 months? The doctors and the nurses getting fired. They're getting back. They're getting. Yeah, because they represent a harm to themselves and other people that are coming into the hospital. I think it's fair. Why did they refuse to get vaccinated? Why did they refuse? I don't know. It could be for a variety of reasons. They're stupid. They're stupid nurses. They might be. I don't know. Do you think every nurse is a genius? Are you out here to say all nurses are brave? She knew that wasn't the position I thought you were going to say. This is your Achilles' Seal in a nutshell. You have no idea what my Achilles' Seal is. You sit on your ass all day. You don't know anyone. You can't talk about these large swaths of people. Who's talking about large swaths of people? I'm not. I don't Google you. You're talking about nurses. That's a pretty large swath. What's that? I'm guessing it's two million people. And what do you think my opinions come from? Your ass sitting down, Googling. OK, only one of us here has modern journalists. Only one of us here has hold things out of their ass on camera before. So I don't appreciate you accusing me of that. Number one. OK. Number two, I have socialized. You're a social person. Socialized plenty. You have no idea how much I socialized. OK, I'm going to show you the metaverse. I didn't we just socialize like a month ago. I was down there talking to all sorts of people. Yeah, I'm sure you do. You put your headphones on when you're in your Uber. I even did it. I even did it without a mask. I even did it with a mask from Pakistan. He's not. He hates Pakistanis. Really? So. You're Uber driver. You're Uber drivers a Sikh. And he hates Muslims because Muslims killed a million Sikhs. Yeah, I don't guys don't know this. Gavin, Gavin, Gavin. I'm an adult male. I don't know. Gavin, I drive myself. Immigrants, you don't know immigrants. Gavin, I know you're not out there. You're not discussing things with people. I discuss things with plenty of people. When you're at the barbers, you're so fucking uncomfortable. Psychotic. Because you're with the working class person. He's having a psychotic break right now. You don't know, like, what he thinks. He made fun of me. He's a monster. He's like a weird robot. What he needs to do with my psychotics. Gentlemen, gentlemen, I hate to cut in. But just to be clear. The ICUs are full, James. He can't get the help he needs. There's too many coronavirus patients in there. He's having a breakdown. That was fucking going full on sarcasm after denying it was. And that was actually the first truthful thing I said. OK. Again, sarcasm. Great. Welcome aboard. Is he sarcastically accusing me of being sarcasm? No, I'm genuinely accusing you of trying out sarcasm. OK, well, I was genuinely concerned that you weren't able to get into a hospital because it was overflowing with coronavirus patients to get the antipsychotics you need to not have breakdowns when we're having a conversation. Sam Hyde, welcome to the fucking metaverse. Meta irony. That's where I'm at right now. This assignment was should Joe Rogan be able to do not know I repeated this like six times. This assignment was not doing my homework is Joe Rogan doing more harm than good. And my contention is all speech is good. All speech, no matter how evil it is, free speech includes everything. There's no such thing as every person to go and shit in the pool. Do you think that that's a good form of speech and that there's more good things than bad things? What did that happen? That's irrelevant. You should have a right to say shit in the pool. We're not. Hold on. Whether or not you have a right to say something isn't the same as saying saying it is good or bad. You're saying that all information is good. I'm saying there's probably some information that's bad. It's irrelevant, but yeah. Well, it's not irrelevant. It is actually the point of the conversation. People should not shit in pools, but you're perfectly. It's perfectly legitimate to have a podcast called Pool Shit. Hi, welcome back to what we're not talking about today. We're talking about what I did was I shat a little nugget in my mesh before I went into the pool. Then I swam to the bottom of the pool and I just sort of dropped it near the filter. No one knew. So if you guys want to shit in pools, make sure it's a solid stool and make sure it's in your undergarments before you dive in. Thanks. This has been a message from Pool Shit. And we'd like to thank our sponsors. You think that would be a good or bad information? That's bad information. OK, so do you think that the listeners of Pool Shiters do you think that those listeners might start doing things that Pool Shiters says to do? There might be a few dumb kids possibly possibly. So if it was the case, if it was the case from information, it was the case that I was on a big panel with this mouse. And I asked Gavin, hey, if I were to do a random sampling of Americans and I look at Americans that don't listen to Pool Shiters and Americans that do listen to Pool Shiters, who do you think is more likely to shit in the pool? You would probably say, well, probably the most ardent listeners of the Pool Shiters pot. Dude, you sound like a communist and I don't mean like someone. And then I want to say and then I want to say genetic. Don't you think that's a bad information? You see you see different people. You're like, there's these people that listen to Pool Shiters and people that don't listen to pool. Yeah, you're like, there's these people. They're disgusting. Then there's these people. Then there's not you. You're you just see everybody as a collection of traits and beauty. All changing. We're all cells moving. That's amazing. You want to feed the cells. You want the cells to have more food, more plankton. We're all growing and changing. You've already classified us as the discussing idiots of shit in the pool and the smart people that fucking don't shit in the pool themselves. I honest to God, everyone, I think I would have those classifications. I think that if I lived in a society where there was a podcast called Pool Shiters, I think I would actually I'm going to be honest here and maybe to the chagrin of my leftist friends. I would say, you know what? I would look down on those people that shit in pools. I would do that because they're funny. You know, I'm sorry. They might be funny as Pool Shiters. You know what? I think I think I want you in my birthday party. A personal problem with me. But that's why I'm the bad kind of guy. Oh, my God. Are you left? Excuse me. Did you just laugh in the middle of talking over me while I was trying to? I was having my own joke. It's not being my own joke. Jesus Christ. OK. All right. Great. Great. James Q&A. Do you want to God? Our billy break on the sort of bloke who laughs his own jokes. In the description, you can find our guest links. That includes if you're listening to the podcast, this one coming in from Ozzie and challenging question to you. Destiny says to argue that Joe Rogan's show could be immoral for presenting misinformation would mean that you're arguing against YouTube as it also allows flat earthers, et cetera. This is a tough argument for you to consistently make, they say. We didn't even get to the ethics of is it moral or immoral? We were saying is like, is it good or bad to like have or rather even doesn't spread misinformation or not? I don't even think we know is it better or worse for society? Well, with regards to the coronavirus, worse. This is coming in for you, Gavin, not particularly on topic, but I have a feeling you might still be happy to answer. They say, Gavin, what are your thoughts on open relationships, specifically letting a wife sleep with other men? Oh, this is I'm glad this came up. Because yeah, thanks. This is something I genuinely have this conversation. Not so much like the semantics of the vaccines. Destiny, I want to take a break from this whole discussion and have a talk with you about your future, about what's going on with your life and how to make it better because I'm scared. Here's what's happened with you, right? I think you've got addicted to Adderall or some sort of math, some sort of amphetamine. They're all the same. OK, and you did what anyone does. You had fans because you became famous and you you know, men do this. They buy low, sell high. So they sorry, they buy high, sell low. So you saw a pretty girl that was interested in you. She's Swedish. You're obviously into white people. Most most people are interested. For sure. Absolutely. I feel like I'm dating history. It's all it's all white. She goes the hot speed. Now, this Swedes are poison. OK, there's there's two reasons why they're poison. Why is one they come from Vikings and they demand this kind of alpha toughness. I'm not saying slapper around, but but Swedish women want dominant men to fucking say we're doing this now. They don't want cucks who let black dudes fuck them in the ass. So you wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. When you say fuck them in the ass, do you mean near my wife? Neither. They don't want any of those shenanigans. I don't I'm not saying the shenanigans was for Frank. Tom, that was really important. You can try the shenanigans like in your college years, whatever you're experimenting, blah, blah, blah. I go back to college. There's two things with your 30 years old. There's two things. One is they're they're essentially female Vikings. OK, so they're not like they don't do well when you're like, honey, I made your breakfast like they want you to control the show. Or she says every morning, she's so happy when I make it, and you will get dumped. Like, are you smiling? Already, the rugged man was twice the man of you. And he got dumped by his suite because he wasn't man enough. So you got to. But here's the other thing. And this is much bigger than you and me. It's is it black or what's way bigger than something about races, where they get to a level of I shouldn't maybe not even say races. Cultures, when they get to a level of success, they become lemmings. They become masochistic, ethno masochistic. They become suicidal. And I believe that Swedes are like, all right, we made it to the top. Fuck me. And they start like playing Russian roulette and they start like taking in like the way that she married you is like alien. Like she's like, oh, good, easy prey. And she's eating you right now. OK, the only way you can save this marriage, this relationship is to wait, hold on, James, starting to the most on the line and saying, no, I'm in control now, bitch. OK, can I ask you a serious question? So right now, the rule in our relationship is she's only allowed to fuck. I think it's four guys a day. I don't want to hear that. I don't. What should I bring this down to? You haven't. What do I bring that down to your holes? I need you to hear that. I don't know how to run my life. I need you to tell me. OK. I want to focus on the two things. One, two guys a day. Two a day. Suicidal Japanese, just like every successful ethnic group. They start killing themselves. OK. And then two, she's a fucking Viking. She needs to be dominated. Don't be nice to her. OK. This one. I've seen it with Colombians. Colombians are like that, too, for some reason. OK, how long do I have? Wait, hold on, James, this is way more important in my life than whatever Q and A. Yes, yes. How long do I have until she kills herself? Should I start shopping around for another one? No, no, no, she won't kill. It's when I say kill yourself, I meant like the entire culture is self-imulating, is that the word? So she's not going to literally kill herself. Oh, OK. She's going to like culturally kill herself. And more than Europeans are are both figuratively and and literally killing themselves. So your relationship has maybe a year or two left. OK. But the the culture of Sweden and Scandinavia, I don't know, three, four, five years is Christ. They're all ready. They're already around the house. I think it's already happening like she doesn't speak her language anymore. She doesn't this is what's going to happen. You're going to laugh at this morning. You're getting three years. And then you're going to come back to me in like five years. Five years. You're going to go. You're going to have like a perfect low side part. You'll be all shaped and have a tie. You'll be like, dude, you were right. And and I'm a born again Christian now. I don't do any drugs. Definitely not speed, not even at all. You must go to the next one. And I'm going to say, I'm going to say so many questions. Destiny, you may have overshot the mark a bit here. Jesus Christ. Oh, sorry. I bought some. OK. Holy cow. But you're going to be happier, ultimately. But you're you have to hit rock bottom before you come back up. Your relation is rock bottom. Is that like a Norwegian or is it Starling? OK, your wife is a Starling. You know what that is? We must move on. I hate to do this. No, no, I got to say this one last thing. Please. It's important in North America. They devoured the continent because they had no natural predators. Jesus, Starlings are ruthless monsters. OK, come from the Siberian winters of Europe. James, I think it's time for the next question. What do we got? We're has a question for you, Stephen. They say data that indicates vaccinations decreased or alternative therapy increased as a result of Rogan's podcast. Good question. Um, actually, I have no idea. I don't know if you'd be able to how you would be able to study, particularly if one media source influenced somebody to do something or not. Is that was probably pretty difficult. But I think that if you holistically look at the media environment you live in, it's probably there's probably data out there that shows that people that consume certain types of media are less likely to be vaccinated than other people that consume certain types of media. No, that's just the egg that doesn't work. My guess is that Joe Rogan, probably it would be the part of that media sphere that gets people to not take vaccines. This is coming in from Sky Daddy. Mythbusters says that applies to country music, too. You realize I don't think that people that listen to country music. I don't think that country music songs are saying, you know, yes, we're going to talk about country music are less likely to be vaccinated. I'm not talking about a simple correlation between what people like and what people do. I'm saying that Joe Rogan is a causal factor because he is literally platforming this information. It's a causal factor, but you're using the evidence as this group likes this, this group likes that. That's country music. Yeah, but I have a stronger side because country music doesn't cause a factor. Country music isn't known for talking about vaccination. I know, I understand. So Rogan is probably a higher likelihood that somebody listening to Joe Rogan. Probably, probably welcome to probably.tv. Welcome to all social sciences where we also do this shit. You want me to make a stronger claim about the starlings that are Oh, sorry, good. I didn't want to. The starling claim is actually pretty much, much more sound. Pretty much, much more sound. No, it's 100 percent more sound. OK, thank you. Jesus. Daddy, it's also 100 percent true that Joe Rogan listeners will be persuaded to get into vaccine by Joe Rogan himself. I talked to three people. Yes, coming in. I think this one. All three of them were my wife's. I haven't talked to three people. My theory, James, go. Don't let him cut you. This one is from Sky Daddy Mythbusters. I think this one's for you, Gavin. They say patients coded for COVID to avoid postmortem lawsuits. Question. We are to believe that the medical staff doesn't know the covid status of every single patient from time of admission to death. I don't know that you. There was a lot of question marks. It sounded like if there were cases where hospitals were falsely marking COVID-19 deaths, those stories would be plastered. No one's saying every fucking everybody is saying that. That's exactly what's being said, Gavin. You need to talk to more people. OK, OK. I'm talking about this debate. In this debate, I'm not saying that. I am saying the debate wasn't a very wide net. And including their COVID diagnosis and their cancer and their diabetes and everything. And that's the person asked the question. The person asked me a question about Joe Morgan. Sorry, I didn't know that was for you. I apologize. Oh, OK. Jesus. Yeah, the answer was yes, James. Yes, coming in from Ozzie and talk says 2019 to 2020. He saw 500,000 more deaths in the U.S. Only 350,000 were reported as COVID-19 by the CDC. 2.85 million in 2019 and 3.3 million in 2020. OK, thank you for that factoid. That was thanks. Do you have another one of those person who works on the show somehow? This one coming in from River. Is that a donation by Jamie? Is that guy? Sorry, go ahead. River and Fernandez T. Both say thanks for having Gavin on and reminder. Our guests both Gavin and Destiny are linked in the description. Bezos Anti-Bullying Agency says argument doesn't matter. Gavin wins by default virtue of the fact. OK, let's see. And thank you very much, ML. Wait, not redo the rest of that one. Oh, the open relationship question was OK. But that one was over the line. Not even more interested in what that says. Let's see. Yeah, good point, Destiny. Jesus. Every time I say your name, I picture a hot chick with blonde, a hot black chick with blonde hair. Well, thankfully, you're not looking at me on the monitor right now. So it's twenty twenty two. I could be a hot chick with blonde hair. Surgeries come a long way. Too much video games and fucking Adderall. That is the bane of your generation's existence. I am coming for the video games and Adderall. I'm going at this point. It's a drug. It's speed. Aren't you? You're drinking. You're drinking right now. Tweakers in the eighties. This one coming in from the Canadian Catholic says, how much criticism of lockdown should be allowed, Destiny? Are we talking like Chastity Melt lockdowns or what kind of lockdowns are? How is the sarcasm king? I'm not even being sarcastic. I want you to clarify. Because we just had a 20 minute conversation about my wife committing ethnic suicide or whatever. I don't know what the fuck the topic even is anymore. Is this about the child? Are we talking about Chastity belts? They're so bad that I predicted the next five years of your life. You are literally Larry, the tomato red right now on my screen. OK, there's no way that I'm the mad one here. All right, slow down, Mr. Monster. Oh, that's called being white. You clearly went to Sweden for a wife because you love white people. This is what we look like. And we're mad. So many questions we have to just, Mr. Monster says, do you think that it would be more helpful to society if Joe Rogan actually supported vaccines? Um, I just like saying you support. So that's not what I care about. I just wish that when he brought on people to give like an alternative tale on things, he was as critical of them as he is the people that present the mainstream opinion rather than just like filleting every person that comes on and gives like some anti mainstream take and being wholly uncritical of everything they're saying. I'm glad destiny brought that up. Can I can I be serious for a second? Oh, my God, I totally get that point. That is that's totally valid. But we are living in a society where all of the mainstream media is one narrative. So Joe Rogan represents, I don't know, one percent of the media that is daring to say, wait a minute, how wonderful are these vaccines? So, yes, I would agree that he does ass lick these people more than say someone on on another media source. But it's because we are being bombarded with this one narrative. So when someone dares to go against it, may they please kiss the person's ass and you've seen, by the way, what happens with him? He's fucked now. He's ruined. I'd be surprised if his daughter can get a job because he dared go against the narrative. So, yeah, when you're it's David and Goliath, David is allowed to put a string against a rock and whip it up and throw it up into an eye. That's dirty pool to hit someone in the eye. But it's not equal standing. This one coming in from do appreciate your question as well. Bezos anti-bullying agency says question for destiny does the concept of quote unquote misinformation undermined democracy. Basically, quote, you can all vote how you want. But you can't think or talk about what you want, unquote. Thus, it undermines democracy. You can think or talk however you want. Me being opposed or me saying that the pool shitters podcast is maybe putting out bad information. I don't think that undermines democracy. I think me giving my opinion on it all is all part of the democratic process. We're all here to scream at each other and shout at each other over what we think is right, over what we think is misinformation. And that's what we do. And that's part of the democratic process. What did Joe Rogan say that was bullshit? I think that the way that he brought on Robert Malone and let that guy ramble a bunch of whole bunch of bullshit studies, a whole bunch of bullshit drugs, and the fact that he was wholly uncritical of almost every single thing he said, I think that was the harm for that podcast. So what did Joe Rogan say that was bullshit? I mean, it's not about like one line or thing that he said. It's about the whole of the episode. People don't just watch like 10 seconds of it. It's like what, like a three hour show? What if you have a flat earth or on your show? Is that wrong? I think that if you had a flat earth or on your show and they were like, did you know that the earth is flat? And it's a big theory that all of NASA and all the world is trying to fuck us. And Joe was like, damn, that's some serious shit. Yeah, you know, maybe. Yeah. And then you started to get other people in society believing it. Yeah, I would say that's bad too. There was a time when we got back to NBA players that would be fucking funny and I would never say a shit like the earth was fucking flat. So at that point in time, I would say, yeah, that would be pretty bad. This one coming in from do appreciate your. No, I thought the earth was flat ever, by the way. You don't think so ever? Not ever. Mark Santola said it was a few radical cave people, like even 500 years ago, it was never a thing. In fact, it's more popular now than it ever was before. This one from Mark Santola for you, Stephen, regarding Dr. Malone, they said Dr. Malone is a co-inventor of the mRNA vaccines is Provax and has been published over a hundred times. Destiny, have you really listened to the full episode? Malone is not the co-inventor of the mRNA vaccine. And his only contribution to mRNA research was a paper that he did as like a grad student. He owns a few. No, that's false. That is absolutely. He was one of the many contributors to the mRNA vaccine. No, no. He did not write one fucking paper. He had zero in play. What have you ever. Why are we constantly dealing with these people who have never contributed anything outside of playing some fucking video games? OK, a guy plays video games. This is you're out of line. You're way out of line. You're way out of line. You're way out of line. Gavin. Gavin. He's contributed. Do something. Civilize our accomplishments. All right, let's do a couple. I need to civilize other people's accomplishments. Hold on. Do something. You're literally on your ass for a living. Get up. We do have to go at Stephen. Fucking are you in sweat pants right now? Absolutely not, sir. This one coming in. Not I didn't even get to finish answering. OK, I wrote a lot of paper when I was in high school for English class, I wrote so many papers. OK, so the fact that I haven't done anything, I resent that comment. OK, I was in a lot of AC classes. You got to see for I did not get a C for cut. OK, I got a B for bitching. All right, so this one I do not think that. Hold on. Robert Malone is not the co-inventor of any of the fucking vaccines. That's just not true. That's bullshit. OK, it's what is an inventor? You contribute to the culture. I don't know. Maybe somebody that worked on one of the companies that created the vaccine. Maybe somebody that worked in the public sector that contributed a significant amount of research towards mRNA vaccines, not a guy that wrote one paper. One time on a process. There's probably 700. Not even working out. None of the research that he initially did ended up panning out as being a proper way to even build an mRNA vaccine. The fact that this guy, Gavin, what did he work on mRNA vaccines about 15 years before this vaccine today? It was no. It was in the fucking night. I think his paper was in 1991 or something. It was like 30 fucking years ago that this guy was writing anything about this. He's not even considered the main contributor to mRNA vaccine research. You go and Google that if you want names. What is mRNA destiny? What do you what do you mean? Do you have the abbreviation messenger ribonucleic acid? You want the function that it goes through ribosomes in your body and it's used to create protein. What's the concept? What does it do? Like what is the technology? What cars are mobilized vehicles that are powered by gas? The technology is you have a bunch of nanolipid particles, NLP that encompass a single strand of mRNA that goes into your cell, enters your ribosome and then proteins are printed out that emulate the protein signature of the virus SARS-CoV-2. That's the function of the mRNA vaccine. Correct. Correct. Now to talk about the inventor of that is to talk about the inventor of punk or the inventor of hardcore or the inventor of rock. You obviously have hundreds of people who are contributing to that technology. It's not the invention of the fucking light bulb or the mouse trap. Actually, the invention light bulb also has almost infinite people contributing. So yes, he was a major contributor. He was not a lunatic off the street is the big picture here. He was someone who was involved in the culture of mRNA and Joe dared speak to him. God forbid you should speak to people who were involved in the largest pandemic in history. God forbid. Malone, if you want to say Malone with a series of hundreds of other scientists wrote papers all along the past three decades talking about mRNA research, I would have no problem with that. That's not what he sells himself as. He says he is the inventor or co-inventor of mRNA technology. That's not true. In 1987, he performed an experiment with like nRNA strands and like frogs or something. And he published the paper as a grad student. That was his contribution. No, that's not his only contribution. He has had what, eight patents involved in. Technology and where are his drugs? And actually involved in the culture. Okay, cool that you have patents. Where are your drugs? I don't give a fuck what you can patent any chemical that you want. You can go to any lab and create any, send this like any chemical and patent it. So your patents don't matter unless you have drugs for it. That's absolute horseshit. In the medical world, you can patent all sorts of RCs, research chemicals. You can patent all sorts of them. Yeah, yeah, that's what a patent is. Yeah, you can patent. Patents are a whole economy in and of themselves that exists below the pharmaceutical industry. You have patents. You sell patents to other companies. They then make pharmaceuticals from your patent. Okay, what pharmaceuticals have been made? What pharmaceuticals have been made off of? What pharmaceuticals here? You're talking about samples to music that got made into other musicals. Okay, where was Dr. Robert Malone's music sampled? What album is he featured on? Is he featured on the Moderna album? Is he featured on the double-sided Pfizer album? No, he's not. And he is featured on the Pfizer album. He's featured in all these albums. No, no, he's absolutely not. Listen to you. None of those patents are relevant. None of those guns. None of those guns. Listen to you. Are you serious? And talk about scientists who have not achieved enough. The less someone achieved, the more they trivialize others' accomplishments. We sound like two sports guys talking about Noah Cindergaard's pitch and how it's fallen below 100 miles an hour way too many times. So accomplish something. He's not the co-creator. He's not the co-creator. Make a baby. Dominate your viking life. How many children do you have? How many children do you have? Three. Oh, well, congratulations. Next one. Now, Trump, thanks for your questions. How many years have you been married? Well, I met my wife in 2021, but we've only been married for a mere 17 years. OK. 17 years. Yeah, a totally monogamous relationship involving zero threesomes. Though in my heyday, I did have some threesomes because I understand the difference between fun partying and being an adult. Gosh. Not a Trump says, destiny, is it possible that there are sketchy things going on around the COVID vaccine? Is there no corruption in government or prescription drug companies? You know, if there was, man, it should be great to see some rather than Robert Malone going on to some podcast. It's being a whole bunch of bullshit that is meaningless and not substantiated anywhere in the literature, but you know. This one coming in from Blake says destiny. Oh, that one really pissed him off. Sorry, go ahead. No worries. Just this idea of like siding with the government over a controversial guess. Just siding with the government. It's all the researchers that are working on this. This is not just the government. Don't be such a baby about it. Don't talk to that person. Don't be such a baby. Don't talk to that person. If I didn't set it so I don't agree with it. We're in this culture of like these tattletail journalists that are like, back when I was talking about that guy didn't get a permit, you didn't get a permit. This is part of being an adult, Kevin. OK, speaking of who you trust and who you can't trust. It's part of being a tattletail. I showed it to you when you're four years old. And your mom and dad have a conversation about don't accept candy from the guy in the van, right? We learn this at a very young age. There are people that you can trust, people you can't trust. OK, you can figure this out, I believe. And I'm adult enough to figure it out. Are you a child? Are you the kind of person that gets into a van because there's candy because you're getting in a van right now. And the candy is the tyrannical narrative of COVID in 2022. It's like the teenager that does the exact opposite of what his parent tells him to do because he wants to be rebellious without thinking. Dude, that's you. You're following. You are in a fucking outside the box universe where nothing's real, man. You sound like fucking David Crosby on acid in 1971. How similar does David Crosby on acid sound to Ben Shapiro and Adderall? Is there a huge overlap here in terms of? Well, phonetically, you're Ben Shapiro and Adderall. But culturally, you're a stupid hippie fucking up your own life. Gotcha. OK. This one coming in from Escaton says Vax doesn't stop the virus from spreading and doesn't prevent infection. No one knows the long term side effects. The Vax industry is immune from civil liability, Steven. That's fascinating. I thought the vaccine was 100% effective, like every safety measure we take in society. Now that I found out that it's not, I'm not sure if I'll spur the vaccine anymore. I don't believe in taking protective steps for anything unless it's 100%. I don't even wear my seatbelt because I don't want to get stuck in my car and dying of fire. This one from Red Blooded Republic is right. That's a retarded question. I'm looking for questions too. I'm surprised there are any questions for Gavin. I'm sorry, I like I'm looking for the fuck. I am 51 years old. It's possible that people who watch these things aren't interested in a geriatric's opinion. This one coming in from Red Blooded Republican ex Trump supporter says question for Destiny. I've heard you say you want Brandon to have stricter jab mandates. Can you say the contents of what is in the jab? Like, do you want like the whole fucking chemical formula of what's in a vaccine? I can't tell you what's in the chemical formula with my fucking coke. I'm not going to be able to tell you that. This is falling apart of the seams. With that just now it is. It was going great up until that question, though. I want to remind you, our guests are LinkedIn. I want that person with the question to know that they wrecked this whole debate. More than Ryan did with the fucking soundboard. I want, wait a minute. The person who said, hey, Destiny, do you think that the vaccine cures everyone perfectly and they're never going to have any kind of COVID? You, sir, look yourself in the mirror. You ruined this entire night. You know what? I bet that guy, I bet he was a big Joe Rogan fan. I bet he got that talking point right from fucking Joe Rogan. Dude, I don't care if he's me. He ruined the fucking debate. Hey, dad, if you're watching this and that was you, fuck you, you're dead to me. This one comes out of your mouth. Mr. Montra says, what right does Gavin have to say what Destiny does in his life and assume what he does with his wife? Oh, no, let's not go there after all. Let's wrap up. We want to say thank you very much. Okay, hold on. I got to ask, what did you not read earlier that you're reading all of these? I have to know. I actually, I have to know. Can I just throw out my motive? My motive is Destiny's happiness. My motive is everyone's happiness. Hey, thank you very much, folks, for all of your questions. Thank you for Stephen and Gavin for being with us tonight. And with that, we hope to see you in future debates. Have a good night, everybody. That's it? Unless there are any topics you hadn't, well, we do have one. This is one for Gavin. John Smoth says, Gavin, can you say? Wait, hold on. Wait, hold on. I got a bizarre ending. Hold on, Gavin, because Gavin is talking about being concerned for everybody's happiness. If I'm letting four or five guys fuck my wife, aren't we technically making more men happy? If I'm miserable and those other four or five guys are happy, I'm actually contributing more to the world. When you shit your pants, it feels good. Isn't that better for the world? You're, you're shitting your pants. Well, no, no, but this is more like I'm letting five other guys shit in my pants. So they get the good feeling. I just have to care about it. That does feel better. So do you think that it, is it worth it for all of their happiness? Doesn't it feel good when you have to go pee really bad and you stop running towards the bathroom and you just piss your pants? So the fact that it feels good temporarily is not good in the long term. But overall, it's gonna fuck everybody up. The only thing that's gonna work for you, and I'm the least traditional guy in the world, dude, I have a back tattoo of Chunk Guy Shack and Fidel Castro being eaten by an octopus with a skull face. Jesus. So I invented outside the box, okay? Okay. The idea of we don't need marriage, blah, blah, blah. It's a super fun thing in your early 20s, but you went and got a Starling from Europe and she's going to devour you and everyone around you unless you can keep that cute little Starling in control because it is a fucking Phoenix on fire. And that thing is a... Ah! Ah! Ah! It's a fucking flailing, fiery bird that has a wingspan as big as a city block. You need to control her or you're all gonna die. Look at that beautiful, beautiful bird. Ask R.A. the rugged man. He was consumed by a Phoenix just like you. Gotcha. Okay, I'm so sorry, James, for coming up. What was your final question, Heather? No problem. There was one from Marty, in particular, Marty Mad Scientist said, Gavin, the legal procedure for coding death regarding COVID or not is well documented and said, why are you misrepresenting it? So they're accusing you of misrepresenting it. Oh, huge call out there, Gavin, good luck. So the death certificate will say, stage four cancer, on the same certificate, it is included, COVID is included. That's not even a death certificate. I just saw it, you're lying. You're misrepresenting the facts. What you just saw out there. I'm looking it up. That's not a death certificate. Show the camera. Is that a death certificate? Cause you held it up like one. This is a list of all the girls I fucked in high school. That's right. Okay. One at a time, right? I don't know why that's here. Oh, you did three. No, yes, there is the main source. They say that they died, but on that form, please believe me, it's a fact that COVID is included. You know this. Look it up. Motorcycle accident dies. COVID is included. It's always included in these forms. And the big thing I was trying to say earlier is it's not malicious. It's not like you're looking for a payout. What if the guy was driving his bike and he had a bad cough and that made him lose control and he died? Isn't that a COVID death? Don't you think that's legitimate? That's why they include it. Cause they don't want to get sued in case he coughed and fell. Cause Harley-Davidson would be like, yeah, you're fucking like, yeah. But that fucks with the statistics. True. Okay. Thank you by the way for supporting us. But if he didn't have COVID-19 and he didn't cough, he would still be alive, right? So is that fair to call him? Right when Destiny supported my point, please. Let's pretend there's some sort of feedback. We can, hello? Hello? James. I can't, what? James is feedback. It's just, oh I see a snow. For Gavin, they said, could it be that the quote unquote mainstream narrative is so quote unquote one-sided because people are independently converging on the objectively true, you know, stance? Ooh. Yeah, that's happened. That happened with Obama's election. That happened with Russiagate. That happened with Trump. That happened with so many fucking lies. Go back to Obama with Fast and Furious. We, why do you think 64% of Americans have zero trust in media? Because we've been getting lied to persistently and increasingly since 2008. So now it's at a level of absolute hyperbole. Like people watch the news to laugh at this point. Not because it's true, you fucking pussy. Oh my God, imagine watching the news today and going, holy shit, that's intense. I did not know that. It's all fucking lies. And I would argue that more than Joe Rogan, this bullshit media constantly fucking up, tripping over themselves with lie after lie after lie from Russiagate, from everything Project Veritas exposes. Constant lying, constant, what do they call them, nothing burgers, again and again and again, that may have killed more Americans than anything else. Because they go, well, that's not true. And you told me to get the vaccine, so I'm not gonna get it. Maybe we have a bunch of old and fat people who should have had the vaccine, who didn't get the vaccine, because they don't trust the media, because fat asses like that turgid Tattletail, Brian Stetler and Don LeMond and Chris weight pumping Cuomo, lied so often and so persistently that the boy cried wolf. And they didn't trust the media anymore. Look, tell you what, I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore. Copinator says, Destiny, if Joe Rogan's misinformation shouldn't be aired, how should we handle CNN, MSNBC and Fox News? Everyone has confirmation bias. If people lie about shit or they misrepresent shit, people should call them out on it, we'll aim for it. I'm not here to say, I'm not gonna say I've ever been like, I don't think Joe Rogan, yes, a debate, thank God, because what we're doing here on this show is unique, okay? People don't have good conversations like this anymore, all right? They're just busy doing double shit. I literally can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but that's true. Exactly. So, I'm not being sarcastic. I know you shouldn't have brought up that you can't be sarcastic because now I'm filtering everything through that quote. I'm not saying that Joe Rogan should be deep platform. That's not what, I don't give a fuck about shit like that. I just wish that he would be more critical of some of the people that he brings on and just spread that around a little bit, spread the critical thinking around it. Why don't you shave your beard, put on a suit and take your wife on a date? Hold on. You said that you couldn't see me. Why do you think I have a beard? I've researched you painstakingly for 58 hours. I've stayed up on crack and mess, researching this because I was so petrified, you humiliate me. And I can't believe that you were such easy prey after all of this preparation. I haven't brought up butt plugs or you're in a single time, but you seem to be going real deep into tagging my life. What's the butt plugs? Is that your smoking gun? No, not at all. James, what's the next question? I think that's always- I guess it could smoke, depending on how fast you did it. What would you say, James? Oh, we have four tonight for our questions. A butt plug up and ass smoking would be maybe eight million miles an hour. So obviously- Have you done the math on that? Is that something that you Googled at? Or is that another bar stat that you use up in the know? I'm guessing. I'm guessing. Educated, I guess. I actually looked it up and it's actually only three million miles per hour. So you were off by like 50%. I'm still pretty happy with eight million. Three million, eight million, as far as butt plug speed. To dry out the anal lips. We will close with that. Want to say- Yours are probably not dried up at all. 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CD, good to see you. Dylan Colgrove, glad you were with us. Jason Scott, glad you were with us. Jack Wally, thanks for dropping in. Glad you were here. Duncan Donuts, thank you for your kind words. As that was an experience, it certainly was. By the way, thanks for all of our channel members. We really do appreciate your support. H.I. or is it H.L. Aristoceles, thanks for your support in being a channel member. Long Nights YouTube, and thanks so much for being a supporter of the channel. We appreciate you being a channel member seriously. And it was great to meet you in Dallas, seriously. I really do hope you're well. And I'm excited for you. That T-shirt was like a neat idea in terms of having all of the guests sign it as our recent debate conference, folks. If you have not seen modern day debate, did have our first conference called DebateCon. And it was a huge conference featuring you guys to debates. But Doron Abhad, thanks for your kind words. Since James needs his beauty rest, you're right about that. And Mark Reed, thanks for your kind words. Flight risk, glad you were with us as well as Randolph Richardson says, good night, James, please let me know if you'd like to have me on in another debate soon. Thanks for that, Randolph. And thank you guys for all your support. Jim Justice, glad to have you with us. Appreciate your support. It was all my pleasure. We do appreciate the guests. They are lively, to be sure. That was a passionate one. I don't know if we've ever had such a high energy one, and we do appreciate that. So that was off the, like, wow, thank you. So thanks, guys, and thanks for our guests. I love you guys. Thanks for all your support of the channel. And we are excited about the future as we are determined to fulfill the vision, as we had mentioned, providing a neutral platform so that everybody can make their case on a level playing field as we strive to get different people from different walks of life talking about the big questions of life. So thanks, everybody, and we will see you next time.