 Hello audio listeners. Oh, and hello video listeners. Hello video listeners viewers rather Listener viewers. All right, we're gonna give that a minute to catch up Before we start the actual show show show But very excited to have Peter Newell with us Peter. Maybe make sure I've got this right to managing partner at BMNT partners Hey, thanks for the invitation. Appreciate it. That's correct. Okay Here we go Money burning a hole in your pocket then your money's probably on fire seek medical attention If you want to support your favorite podcast, however, go to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news from monday december 14th 2015 i'm tom errod joining me today as she does most mondays Ms. Veronica belmont dts contributor and host of dear veronica on engadget. How are you doing veronica? I am fantastic. Happy monday to all of you out there. Happy monday to you as well We're very excited today to have as well. Peter Newell managing partner at BMNT partners. We're going to talk to him in our discussion segment About defense technology and silicon valley and how those two can work better together. Thank you for joining us as well. Mr. Newell Hey, thanks for the appreciate We're uh, we're going to get to that discussion in just a moment, but let's start off with our headlines Wall Street Journal says its sources claim samsung's galaxy s7 and s7 edge smartphones will have a pressure sensitive display Similar to the iphone 6s 3d touch and a new usb type c high speed charging port other reported features include a micro sd slot low light camera that's flush with the camera backs that is sticking out And uh, you can expect that announcement to come at mobile world congress february 22nd With according to the wall street journal a march release samsung not taking a lot of time between announcement and release That's exciting a lot of great features there Absolutely, and you know, uh, some of them are catch-up features With with the iphone, uh, but bringing back micro sd slots going to make a lot of people happy Definitely the robber online pointed out google updated its maps app for ios catching it up to the android version ios users can now save portions of maps offline allowing directions and search without a connection Although it won't do mass transit or walking directions ios users also get gas prices along your route and indications of when destinations are the busiest So i'll catch up in the other direction Google maps given ios users. Uh, the gas prices thing is is of great concern to myself and my dog. Uh, both very into Gassy your your docs are very As we shared and wanted us to note that new york attorney general eric schneiderman Once your help gathering data as part of a probe into verizon cable vision and time mourners advertised speeds That's exciting The new york attorney general has created the website internet health test.org To measure speed users are then after they've submitted the test asked to send screenshots Of the test results plus fill out an online form. Not sure why it couldn't all just be collected automatically but the idea is to Essentially look into these interconnection agreements to see how they're affecting speed So not just the speeds delivered directly from the company And also see that if you're paying for 50 megabits per second, you get at least close to 50 megabits per second Yeah, I think that's that's I don't know why i'm so excited by this idea I feel like it's somehow the Government and the people working together to take down the the cable industries and the cell industries Which are not my favorite industries a little bit. Maybe that's maybe that's really what where this is coming from I would not be surprised But you know like speed test.org has always done just the idea of people having more awareness of what they're actually getting There are very good reasons why you won't always get the advertised speeds And I think in the defense of the isps that needs to be taken into account, but Well, you can say in defense of them, but also, you know, they have to Modify their advertising accordingly if they can't they can't promise certain speeds and then have a tiny asterisk saying well It's not always going to be that good. Actually, it's really never going to be that good It's never it's never nothing's ever going to be constantly at top rated speed though I mean, that's a lot of people aren't regularly getting even close to the and that's that's where the data collection becomes important The us faa launched its drone registration program today Interesting stuff starting December 21st owners of drones weighing more than 250 grams and less than 25 kilograms Will need to register their machines Registration will be free for 30 days and cost five dollars afterwards. Not too bad Pilots must be at least 13 years of age and carry a copy of their registration during drone operation A registration number must be clearly marked on all drones owned by that pilot current drone owners have until february 19th To 2016 to register and people who buy a drone after December 21st will need to register before they can fly them This is actually pretty pretty reasonable Register once put the number on all the drones you own. Oh, yeah It helps people understand what the rules are I think the only thing that's going to give people pauses having to pay five dollars Which is if i've got this right the same amount that any pilot pays no matter what size the aircraft And the faa says that they are required by law to collect that fee anytime They do some kind of registration like this to me. This is shockingly easy And seems to be a really good compromise. I think for for both parties and I don't I mean I'm sure there will be complaints from drone owners about it But I don't really know if they're if they're very founded at this point I look forward to daring kitchen's new sub 250 gram drone racing that he is going to start doing Not even kidding Uh efc 88 on our subreddit noted the torrent freak article about a product called web torrent It's a web based method of handling torrents using web rtc The project launched by stanford grad ferris abu kadija could significantly cut down on video delivery problems In fact netflix has contacted ferros and mentioned web torrent in one of their job postings Web torrents still need some improvements though not all browsers support web rtc and web torrent because it's using rtc Can't talk to some traditional torrent clients yet, but they're working on that as well The idea that netflix would actually get better at peak times when more people are using it Could be the case if netflix or or companies like that adopted this Hmm. Oh, uh to to beer off topic again Ian in the chat room notes that ham radio operators pay more than five dollars for their license. So Pilots are getting off easy Following on last week's story about airlines banning so-called hoverboards amazon will now require all sellers of the roley boards to submit proof of battery And charge your safety standards Airlines have blanket banned the devices because models often do not meet the standards and batteries are often Mislabeled and i don't know if you've been talking about this at all, but they've been exploding Well, there have been a couple of incidents. They're not exploding all over the country Exploding constantly you're not doing journalism, right? They are exploding all over the place There there has been a problem with that and a lot of times it's because the battery is labeled it being a particular power Level and it's not it's actually work. It's actually a higher power than that. So Hence the airline saying no, we're not going to allow these things on and amazon stepping in and saying You know what? We would like to make sure that you are really selling what you say you are and that it's up to safety standards See what I have to say about hoverboards in our prediction show The times of india reports apple has cut the price of the iphone 5s in india from 44 000 rupees to 24 999 rupees call it 25 000 rupees That's about 370 bucks u.s List price for an unlocked iphone 5s in the u.s is 450 dollars So india now one of the cheapest places to get an iphone 5s the 5s accounts for more than 50 percent Of iphone sales in india already So apple trying to goose that number also trying to help their q4 numbers look good This puts the 5s in competition with the samsung a and e series in india Motherboard notes a post from coltac that twitter has notified some users that it believes their accounts have been targets of a state sponsored attack Twitter says it has no evidence that any account information was obtained But attackers were after email ip addresses and phone numbers Google and facebook have policies to notify about such attempts, but this is the first known alert from twitter Yeah, a couple of tor people who work on the tor projects got these Most of the people who got them were involved in security research in some way, although not every One that motherboard was able to contact. So Interesting interesting to wonder What country would be what state actor would be behind this but twitter didn't say any that did mother so many so many options Yeah, so many possibilities. There's about four that I could think of right up there Samsung has officially asked the us supreme court to hear an appeal of its patent dispute with apple That's the one that a jury ruled on in 2012. That's still going on. So Now we're gonna get the supreme court weigh in probably about the jury amount Not so much about whether the patent Was violated or not Stay tuned And finally the wall street journal says that quote a person familiar with the matter Tells it that the us department of homeland security is planning to look at social media posts as part of its process For approving visas to foreign visitors the department has experimented intermittently with reviewing social posts since earlier this year Yeah, they've been looking at facebook posts already a little bit Uh, so wall street journal says that they're going to make that just standard procedure at least try to If you if you find this surprising you shouldn't yeah, it's publicly available information Which I think you know in cases of visa approval you look at publicly available information Your bosses are looking the government is probably also looking Thanks to folks who submit stories on our subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com helps us put this line up together every day As you heard lots of stuff came straight out of there We don't even always credit the same person because we don't want you to hear their name over and over and over again But we appreciate every single person who submits in the subreddit get in there and do some voting If you'd nothing else dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines All right. Thank you for your patience. Mr. Newell. Peter Newell is managing partner of BMNT partners as I said He served for 32 years tours in Panama, Kosovo, Iraq and at one point was put in charge of a unit called the rapid equipping force charged with getting new tech into the field quickly You've also recently started involvement in something called hacking for defense. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Sort of hacking for defense is really a manifestation of the work that we were doing at the rapid equipping force primarily focused on solving challenging problems in Afghanistan and Iraq between 2010 and 2013 and essentially with hacking for defense For the longest time we were frustrated by not reaching a broader audience of potential problem solvers and from my experience journeying into places like MIT and Silicon Valley You always found that my discussions with you know young students and startups and other folks were absolutely fascinating But neither side knew how to find a pathway by which you know, we could come together to actually So about a year ago, we were asked to demonstrate the fact that it was possible to get folks in Silicon Valley interested in actually working with The government in the primarily department of defense to solve problems We went on a very quick prototype with them and then As part of the out brief one of our recommendations was to return that prototype into a for-credit graduate level class at Stanford And actually trying to hit the ball quite a bit harder. So hacking for defense today is now a partnership between Steve blank and his lean loss pad movement BMT my company and our our problem curation efforts in stanford university and What I suspect will be dozens of universities over the next year or so So it seems to me that the the government has kind of really come full circle with Silicon Valley. I was reading a bunch of Steve blank's blog post on the subject and he kind of points out that Silicon Valley first really got it started as a hotbed of Electronic intelligence information for the government and it wasn't really until much later When private money started really pouring in so do you see a relation between that and what's happening now with the government Looking to private companies to help it innovate much more quickly than they can really accomplish internally You know, I absolutely do and I'll tell you first that working with with Steve blank is I liken it to grabbing a commons tail and trying to keep up with He You know, he's he's got such a deep history of understanding of of defense applications in And how it actually transpired in Silicon Valley. So he's written a great piece on the history of defense innovation of valley in In quite honestly decision resurgence It's always been there in some way shape or form The real challenge is that You know, no longer is it government funding Incubating Change with within, you know technology now that the technology companies have vastly more resources Then the government does and the fact that technology is changing so fast That the the government systems can no longer Identify a problem articulate that problem source a solution and apply a solution Before the underlying technology or the underlying problem have changed so much that that none of it is is valid anymore So, you know, most folks, you know, they like to talk about dollars and cents and how you know, there'll be a investment in Silicon Valley Those of us who've been at this for a while will tell you that the real change will be the cooperation of Wayne principles in And the impact of increasing the speed at which the government can actually Perform these muriated tasks in order to keep up with the change in technology So it's really all about the the speed and the ability to iterate very quickly on ideas That's that's attractive to the defense department and other organizations within the government and military Did we lose them? No, I think we did uh, that's too bad, uh, because I I think we were Starting on right into the thing that most people find surprising which is the idea that the department of defense might Not might be able to speed things up. Uh, and here's somebody who's been inside of that Knows how those wheels turn has has worked inside as part of that rapid equipment deployment force to try to speed things up and then Is now on the outside as a in a private company understanding both sides of this saying hey guys You need to work together here. Uh, there was there was an interesting parallel that you were reading about from blank On on how the military does things that is sort of similar to the startup mentality Yeah, there's a military strategist named john boyd. Um, and he's very well known He was up. He was a pilot uh in the air force I believe and he developed a strategy called udda the udda loop observe orient decide and act and that kind of gave Units within the military and excuse me to anyone in the armed forces or military who's listening to me talking It's like okay. She's almost got that right, but she's not quite there It's not my area of expertise, but this is just what I've kind of learned in my research for this piece But it's giving them the freedom to kind of be much more agile in in In a military scenario and be able to do things based on the information and and You know equipment that they have at the time instead of really needing to be a top down kind of organization Where they're they're getting commands way high up with people who may not necessarily know exactly what's happening on the ground So they were able to adapt in real time and be able to figure out what to do in that situation So me that kind of made me feel like those those being able to have those quick in the field decisions Is very similar to kind of that agile startup methodology of being able to adapt very quickly to a changing market And being able to pivot in real time And I think that's that's a kind of interesting parallel that I was really excited to kind of talk about There's a another story on california sunday.com that you found which goes in a lot to how peter newill came about Doing this sort of work and it talks about the rapid equipping force and how His big thing when he took over that unit was that the unit was coming up with solutions and then bringing them to the field And he decided to reverse that process and say let's find out what they need first And then try to try to engineer solutions to that which it's I think it seems obvious in retrospect But again when you tell a unit like come up with solutions They feel like they need to come up with the solutions and he was doing user-based development there essentially Yeah, exactly It was like real-time like ab testing In a sense But I was also really curious about why he decided to go completely into the private sector instead of going into defense Contracting and kind of what the differences between those two different areas are because a lot of people who leave the active military Then do go on to defense contract work Because there's a lot of similarities there And so he would have had every opportunity to go make a lot of money probably working for a defense contractor But instead he chose a startup route and really you know did his own company Helping to connect the the military and the armed forces and the defense department With people who are working in startups who they just want to solve problems I mean, I think that was his real one of his real interesting watershed moments was going to Engineers at big companies like google and being like we have this problem. They didn't really It's not that they don't care They're just excited by the idea of a problem that they can just really dig into and solve very quickly It's not they don't they're not thinking about resources. They're thinking about what is the most You know the most convenient and quick solution to a very difficult problem because that's how technology companies work Especially when you're like google and you have infinite resources and infinite money and almost infinite brain power It's it's a fascinating thing to apply to these kinds of issues Another paragraph in that california sunday magazine article illustrates exactly what you're talking about It's when newell was still at the rapid equipment force He met with an engineer at google talking about a solution for off the grid outpost in afghanistan And trucking in fuel and newell asked the engineer how much it would cost To have google research the army's project to research the project and the engineer drew a giant circle on a whiteboard and said that's my budget Put a smaller circle inside said that's your budget. I'm not interested in your money I'm interested in your problem and newell said in this article That's when I learned about the fallacy of the pentakons model when it comes to silicon valley They they are looking for problems that they can solve and bring to market They don't need to be paid to do the research And it's yes There are beat masters mentioning in the chat like is this another manhattan project and you know There are parallels to those kinds of things. I mean, we've seen Kind of state sponsored projects and research like this with with the national science foundation Who by the way, I hadn't even thought of until since Watching public broadcasting like sesame street and square one by the national science National science foundation. It's like, oh my gosh. No, there's more to it than I ever knew So that's yeah, there's there's definitely There's feelings of that again I think in a lot of ways and hopefully they don't have the same ultimate end goal as the manhattan project But you know trying to keep the troops safe and and make things more efficient and potentially less expensive and and less dangerous I think is is good all around. It's an incredibly difficult problem when you have a bureaucracy that moves slowly and and yet When an army is in the field Again, most of these articles that we've got linked in the show notes talk about the fact that Armies are very good at adapting when they're doing their job when they're in a defense situation But during peacetime the wheels sort of tend to grind slowly bureaucratically and and so you need someone who understands that why that happens to be able to Talk to that side of the problem and say you guys need to move faster And you need to move faster so that you can take advantage of the rapid developments That folks in startups are doing because they're not going to wait around for you Yeah, um, so totally. I mean, this is one of the stories that I got Very sucked into. I mean tom knows I pitched this story a couple of months ago and I've just been Biting up at the bit to chomping at the bit to get to it and it's unfortunate that we lost Mr. Newell here today But hopefully we can either get him back on or or have him on the show another time to answer some of the questions I've cooked up for him. Yeah, and maybe we'll uh, I don't know. We'll talk about it Maybe we can we can do a phone interview with him. It sounds like it's it's, you know It's a more difficult situation for him to to make it into a place that has reliable internet as it is for so many of us Sometimes right at the live time But maybe we can do it We're just down on the peninsula just drive down for the day and get in person interview record it that way We'll see what we can what Jenny can cook up for me. We'll see what we can come up with but Thanks again to Peter Newell for joining us. We've been trying to get him back, but it apparently is it's just not working So we we very much Thank him for taking the time that we did have with him Wish we would have started maybe we should have started with him instead of the headlines We'd have been revolutionary But you can go to bmt partners.com if you want to know more about his company And you can of course go to our show notes for links to that california sunday article and and links to the inconvenient history of silicon valley Uh by steve blank and and more at daily tech new show dot com Our pick of the day comes from martin I don't know if you've heard veronica, but there's a world premiere of a little movie called star wars the force awakens Happening today and it comes out into a wide release on thursday That's the one with captain kirk, right? That's the um no That's a different star one with the um the doctor guy. That's not the fast and furious one. No, it's not the doctor It's the one with the the big tarzan bear Oh the tarzan bear and the mercenary guy and the bad robe guys um To anyone with access to a set of google cardboard martin highly recommends the official star wars app They've just added a section with daily pi r steridian videos some of you call them 360 degree videos But that's cheating the top part. Uh, it's about a minute long, but they look amazing I hear that you lucky people in america can get free star wars themed google cardboard at the moment too So no excuse not to try it Anyway, yeah, there's if if you got some google cardboard and you got the right phone You might want to do a little vr You know, I did I did the google cardboard for the blue angels Have you tried that one? No It's amazing. I have it's amazing. It's amazing Hi, jenny Hi, I'm just coming in because I just watched that jack who spy star wars thing and it is incredible It's the sound is great Like you have to wear a headsets when you do it, but it just gives you the chills And just looking around in cardboard at this at that area in star wars is like Pretty mind-blowing. Yeah man, yeah, the the uh blue angels one I did a couple of nights ago and ryan Ryan called me and was like you gotta try this he put it on my head and I was in a swivel chair And at first I was only looking forward And then I somehow like swiveled a little bit and I saw like out the window the other blue angel right next to me And he said afterwards after I took it off. He's like You have never been funnier because you were just sitting there going. Oh No, you're too close You're Oh, you're you're too. You're so close. You're like a like six inches away And I kept like making all these really like whoa Noises so I highly highly recommend it. I I should mention though that the star wars branded ones are completely sold out That's my one thing. I found the stars brand cardboard. Yeah cardboard. Not the app. They don't sell out of apps Yeah, the awesome cardboard that looks like r2d2 is sold out. Uh, well, that's that's such as the way of things Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks a couple of messages. I'm not going to read the entire Slack conversation I had with christian and it's actually still going on But I've got some excerpts in the show notes and essentially his feedback to friday show where we were talking about Shaw one and the transition to shah 2 and how shah 2 is much more secure But if we cut off shah 1 on january 1st, that's going to leave a lot of people unable to access websites At all in some cases christian says my background is in networking and security. I'm quite often of darin's opinions However, I personally think a dualistic approach Would still be a lot more favorable than significantly delaying shah 2 deployment Darin talks about a downgrade attack and he's right with that However, if we look at this from an individual view, let's say I do my online banking If an attacker did generate a shah 1 collision, I'm screwed full stop However, if the bank also offers shah 2 and I have a modern browser which only accepts shah 2 I'm still secure He's like look the bad actors are going to spend a lot of money on something that's widely available But if shah 2 is in most places that might discourage them And he suggests the combined shah 1 shah 2 approach with a clear end date that facebook is proposing as well as his cloud flare I have to say the opposite side of this is Yeah, but there was a clear end date for shah 1 and people Still are using devices that can't take advantage of shah 2. So if we do this next clear end date What's to say that we won't have the same problem when we get to that clear end date? But I'm I'm with christian as was made clear on friday, but you know, I think there's good arguments on both sides of this story Finally josh from yay. It's springtime during winter pennsylvania was listening to do our discussion on tokyo's drone squad In friday show. Did you see that veronica the no So they so the drone squad Is mostly going to be observing for drones and making sure they don't fly in restricted areas But they also have I think more as a publicity stunt a drone with a net that can catch other drones Josh says I think the best way to take out a drone would be a shotgun with bird shot It's designed to take out a small airborne target. It's also small enough not to be dangerous on freefall Maybe what we need are rubber bird shot something that can wipe out the props But not pierce the battery or the payload Interesting. Yeah, so, uh, I don't I don't know that that would go on over so well in japan Or in tokyo, especially as dense as it is rubber bird shot But rubber bird shot is pretty elegant, right takes out the propellers, but you know, you're not risking a fire What about a slingshot or slingshot? Are we just not using slingshots? So it takes a little more skill, but you know train up some some drone slingshotters. I like it. That's a good idea Thanks to everybody who sends us email at feedback at daily tech news show dot com We definitely appreciate it. Thanks again to peter newell for taking the time to talk with us as much as he could today Managing partner at bmnt partners and thanks to veronica belmont twitter.com slash veronica You can watch dear veronica at n gadget dot com slash dear dash veronica. You're in the the headlong Dash to finish those for the end of the year, right? Oh, yeah, I've got a I've got like three or four episodes I have to shoot in the next week. So please guys. I really need questions I really really need questions if you want me to answer holiday questions. That would be super fun I'm doing a little uh guide like some steam steam gifts for boys and girls We've got some fun stuff. Uh, so um, but so not that I got that covered But if you want some any other questions just post them on twitter with the hashtag dear veronica You don't even need to put my name in it. Just use the hashtag. I'll definitely see it. It'll be added automatically to my spreadsheet I yeah, it's it's hard because normally we have a lot more time to build up questions But because I am thanking so many episodes in a short amount of time. I need them. I need your questions So we bring brings bacon. She sent in a question. It got answered a lot of questions answered I love prioritizing you guys because you're the best so send them in Send them in folks. Where do they send them again? On twitter using the hashtag dear veronica. 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Well, no, so he uh, I pitched him Veronica your idea of going down there and doing a taped interview because I think that would actually be great Uh, um, so we'll see what that happens. I've got the gear. So I'm happy to do it Yeah, we could just put that out as a special follow-up like yeah to people I think that'd be great doesn't have to be live and you don't have to worry about that. That'd be awesome Cool. Let's do that All right. All right. So I uh, I'll go I'm working with that. I'm gonna work on that I was like I was so excited at how well it was going and then I heard nothing and I was like Oh, no I know we were just about to get to the really moody stuff too. I was excited like seriously me I feel like we covered It so like the information that we wanted to talk about was there, but I wanted to hear his Insights into that Any any fighter pilots out there? I said that that um void was a pilot He was a fighter pilot and apparently if you say that if you call a fighter pilot a pilot with an earshot of a fighter Pilot they're going to be very upset. They're going to fight. So he was a fighter pilot He's a fighter a frickin fighter pilot at the end for speed All right showbot let's see what we got go about what you got Startup wars. It's kind of funny. Schneider man. Schneider man does whatever an attorney general can An ag can even an ag can might fit if you did that. Yeah Whatever an ag can See See e and already wants Veronica interviewing folks around town, right? Gotta pay me more for that Patrons That's a field shoot You want to pay for my gas? You know Veronica's field rate mileage. It's a lot It's a lot It's a lot It's a lot. Does this registration number make my drone look big? That's funny That's too long The military internet complex yep By the way as a public service announcement The star wars premiere is tonight and 5 30 pacific the live stream Will be happening. So if like me you live five blocks from it and don't want to walk It will be on the internet with much better access Wait, what they're not streaming the movie. No, there's are you kidding? They're streaming the the red carpet They're what they're just streaming people walking up. No interviews and stuff. It's the carpony thing You know like what I did both game of thrones, which is cooler by far. Thank you Much cooler and much more of a sustainable job career Whatever if I got yeah Yeah, carpony. Yeah, whatever if I lived in LA I'd get jobs too Maybe I know and if I lived in san francisco, I'd get lots of jobs too. You too should swap We should just swap. What are you talking about? You're working to entertainmenty stuff No, because everything here is not to get on a terrible tangent before we pick the title But yeah, we have picked the title yet. I need to pick the title. Um Drone papers, please military internet startup wars Yeah startup wars Veronica, what do you think? I like I kind of like startup wars. All right done Startup wars is it carry on what we're gonna say. Okay. I was just gonna say that unfortunately a lot of the entertainment stuff here Is awful because it involves chasing celebrities not interviewing people of interest When you're actually here it is or it's just junkety and the junkets of our own version of hack because You don't want an interview. I don't know. I I I've done it and I feel icky doing it So until I can find a thing that doesn't make me feel icky I don't want to do it I'm not joking you guys. I need dear Veronica questions. Just do the Do the questions are they tech are they tech related they can be tech related they can be They can be Science related they can be social media related. They could be just regular like agony column Questions they can be pretty much literally I will I answered a question about ghost girlfriends last week So let's just put that out there. It can be funny agony Cheating Yeah, you know cheating if I ask you a question If I submit it that's a little no, thanks. So my friend my friend, uh, eric Um submitted a question Okay, all right. I'll try to think of a question Um, I'm answering I'm just doing a question about allergies to electromagnetism because I want to talk about it Yeah, I don't have a question So I'm just gonna do an anecdote and then bring on the expert I just think it's funny to talk about so dear Veronica My neighbors don't want a smart meter because they're afraid of electromagnetic radiation. Should I be worried? That's perfect. You could take that out if you want. Well, we had we had a lady. We were installing This woman just came up to ryan when we first moved in and started talking about her allergies to electromagnetism You know what would be great is if you could get michael mckin in character To ask that question from the set of better call saw Oh my god. Yes. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god How am I gonna? I have to I have to have the video response or video question by the 20th Well, then save that one and do a thing where you pitch Um, vinskilig in that When they get back to set, you know, that's not gonna happen when they get back to no, it's not gonna happen But it's not ever gonna run it up down. I gotta think big. I know You haven't learned you just have to ask and keep asking politely And they'll do it. They'll do it. You don't get 100 of the things you don't ask for that's right Or as yoda would say Do or do not there is no try or is no try There is no wussy being out. He says that part right Can I have a pony? I had a pony at my birthday party when i'm six Did you really? I probably did this video video exists Um, okay. So today is all oh oh oh soliciting from dts chat room soliciting from post show viewing audience If you have pictures from the year in dts Please send them to feedback at daily tech news show.com because I and along with some other folks have been diligently crafting the best of video And if you know cool nerd tackler picks greg skinner If you have I know he sent me the links already, but I need them again Uh, you have a picture from all of tom's Um hangouts or meet-ups. Sorry of all tom's meet-ups when we talked, um, when you when he was off doing things that weren't vacation Leaving you're responsibly in charge That would be cool because we don't have our like little hangouty section yet So anyway, there's that Right the seattle meet-up the detroit meet-up right because I don't have any pictures of those and those are the meet-ups you did this year So, uh feedback at daily tech news show calm and also tom never took any vacations here. He just worked Just fyi. That's funny. I'll be taking one soon vacation Vacations all I ever wanted although I hate that ces is like the dark cloud hanging over my vacation Right. It's like, uh rest and relaxation followed by disaster And technically it should be a little better this year because of the later start But that's not really true for journalists No Or anybody really because everybody comes early because by the time the show starts all you want is for it to end Well, yeah, all the news breaks before the show starts Yeah, I don't have like my my flights aren't finalized yet Like my hotels aren't finalized yet. Like I don't know where I'm going I don't have any of my shooting schedule Like I don't like if my flight from hawaii is late back into san francisco And I miss my flight to vegas that night. Like I'm gonna be in big trouble Like I just don't know what's gonna happen. I hate not knowing you could drive drive from hawaii. Yeah Not from hawaii from Yeah, how long but it's like it's like a like a how long is it from san francisco? Yeah, let's just be driving literally all night. I guess yeah, yeah I mean, what's the big deal with that and then working constantly for seven days sounds awful awesome Bill it You know I don't know. Okay. I mean they they don't see the destination before they accept the ride Do they you can put it in but they don't know but they don't see it even when you put it in I don't think that's what one driver was telling me. No, they see it. They always ask me or maybe it's they can't decline it I don't know. He was saying like he can't because he lived in orange. Oh, they don't see it They don't see the they don't see the location before they accept it before they accept it. That's what I Yeah, so that way and they'd be able to decline it and that would be bad Yeah Because he he lived in orange county and his all the rides would take him to lax or downtown And he'd always be trying to luck into a ride home before he would end his shift But he couldn't tell right so He's like the worst. He's like the only time it really sucked was the night my last ride of the night with to Sherman Oaks Which is way north in orange county I've only ever gotten turned down for cab rides in new york I've only ever had a taxi driver say no, I'm not going there and then not and then drive away I was in midtown and I was trying to get to Somewhere else on manhattan. I wasn't trying to go to like queens. He just didn't want to go there He just didn't want to go there. Yeah, I was like a few You have one job That's normal. I know it's it is normal in new york. Okay. I gotta take the dog out. Am I free? Okay, you're free. You're free Bye guys. Bye Enjoy star wars It's gonna be a tough time to be on the internet these next couple days Well, I won't be able to see anything for like a couple of weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Good luck, man Oh Ellie He's all asleep. So Jen is good for thursday Oh, good Yeah, uh, see if she's got any any ideas anything burning a hole in her brain hockey Besides something tech related. Well, it could be hockey tech really we have an act on all the time. Yeah Um, oh, yeah, wait. So wait, hold on. I'm looking at the calendar for a second. We're talking about this thursday Yeah, okay, and I do I have that in the calendar? No, I don't so Jen Cutter So to n gen to n gen she said to n gen All right, so I added now do I need to send her an official booking or we'll just send her the one the day before she booked Um, you should probably send it. Okay That ping you or me that was me actually Can I tell you also that the star trek beyond trailer just came out and I'm so excited Such a good week. It's a very divisive trailer. Is it I love it You know why I love it because they're using movie music from the first movie which is a cue to say We are the first movie and not the second movie What did that mean? They already came out with two movies. No, I'm saying the second movie was divisive And so and went in a different direction. And so what they're saying is in spirit We are much more like the first movie than we are the third For a second movie. Sorry. So I liked it. I thought it was awesome I wish they would change the design of the ship a little bit Well, it doesn't look like well, I won't spoil it but in case people aren't watching the trailer but uh Something changes about the design of the ship, but it's that way Uh, but yeah, I uh, the only thing I'm I just got what you were saying The only thing I have um concerns about are those uniforms Like I don't love them But it's fine The every time they change the uniforms Oh, I didn't even notice that they had changed them coats the outer coats with the blue and the yellow I'm like, is that so it's it's original series Style generally, but they're doing the next generation coat thing. Is that what it is? Yeah, it's yeah, it's like the very formal shouldered Look that is sort of tng-ish But it's still solid color right not not the two tone. It's got a very rough texture Is if they modeled it well, no, I'm not gonna say it because I love him too much Uh Anyway, if you get a chance either one of you you should watch a chaos on the bridge Which is a short little documentary done by William Shatner about The uh, the start of star trek the next generation and all the uh machinations And all the like back and forth and like I don't know. I tried to watch the captain's documentary It's better than the captain's It's there's there's precious very little Like Shatner in it He he just he just he just opens it and like just segues between different scenes And most of it is just the former writers and stuff talking about how like, you know people You know how gene rottenberry was like incredibly high-handed and like he had this vision How the future would look you can't can't it can't be like this and that They had a great one on When they hired Patrick Stewart And some guys said that one of the It's the guy from paramount. I say it's like it's like he's you know, they're looking at it. He's bald and gene rottenberry turns So it's like it's the 23rd century doesn't matter Very interesting it was it was actually Birdie eye opening on why the series changed as abruptly as it did during like season three or enough All right, I'll go to try I'll give it a go All right, so who who in the in the post show world is going to make the ellie grows up montage for my best of video Well from like a little baby to a bigger baby, but like all the videos that you're like little tiny Yeah, it would just be like a little still shot from like a little nugget to What she is now, but she's asleep I'll see what I can do. I get it. It's a lot. It would be a lot. It's like more work than it's worth Really, except it would be awesome I'm so I saw the right to cover letter and redo my listening for spacex Which would be cool if I got it You're still live You're still live Be cool if I got it. Yeah. I mean, I think that's entirely true Yes, W. Scott is one just just take clips from the hangouts is a full-time occupation Just take clips from the hangouts every day. That's how you would do it if you did it all year long Yeah, I can't do that When was ellie born? 27th of january Wow, I went up to a year Gosh, she's gotten heavy too Three weeks three weeks ago. She was 20 pounds. Wow 19 pounds not she's like 22 And she's longer And I was going to check her diapers her legs her feet reached my face Yeah, I used to as the bruises can attest Wow, you can't even tweet about ces without weird tech companies starting to follow you You know, I yep I've done I did ces for 12 years straight I have never been more happy That never to have to go back to vegas for that again. Yeah Every year I say i'm not gonna go and every year I end up going Are you going this year? I don't know That's an open question. So we're saying you're saying you're at the start of the cycle where you Yeah, that's said you aren't going here. I won't go. Yeah, and then And all the rest someone always convinces me into it No, I will say it's cool If you aren't if you aren't one of those people that needs to get turned around quickly like Yeah, that this I got this, you know, interview got turned around turned around Yeah, if you're not trying to cover it live, right? Like not even just live streaming but like like same day Yeah Basically as long as you don't have to use any mobile device from the floor. It's fine And then if you do it's a nightmare They do the press conferences It's amazing because like You know, whatever blog tech crunch or adventure people have like two or three people in there And then some of the all kind of flood as soon as the door opens. I hate to use this Turn but it's kind of like rats leaving and sinking ship the other Yeah, I'm well the whole conference is still set up with a 1950s style of reporting Which is I go attend the event. I make my notes I go back at the end of the day to my hotel room I type up my story and then I phone it into the office for the next day's edition works great for that You got to publish right away Forget it I mean, don't forget it. It's just really hard My gosh What's going on over there? I think jenny's being attacked jenny's being attacked by a dog roger's being attacked by a baby By a sleeping baby Yeah, I see yes to me is just like Just be virtual already like I can't wait for five years from now and see or Set up press conferences and things for for the journalist side I understand there's a whole trade show side that really underpins the thing and you have to do certain things for that But for the press conference side like I we're got to the we're getting to the point where you can provide ample bandwidth and just let people stream And blog from right there rather than making them rush out schedule it so that you know, you don't have to I don't know 8,000 more press like little press booths Yeah, part of it is they try to one up each other. Yeah. Yeah at the same time exactly I was about to say schedule it so you don't have to race for one or the other, but the companies don't want that They want you know They want you to undercover their competition And then you go to the lg or samsung and you really just want to hear about the new phone Or the new tv and you have to listen to like 45 minutes of new washers and I was just reminded when uh, patrick norton at the beginning of this year was talking about like His description of ces which was crap crap crap. Ooh crap crap crap Mobile phone cover crap crap crap and then washing machines with extra jets It's it's very telling because They're pushing all these new technologies into Durable goods that people really didn't need before like smart washers and stuff because they don't have Their margins are so thin on the tv's and phones They're trying to get people to buy other things The thing is do you really need it? Washing machine that you keep communicating with your phone Like oh when it's it's not like when it's done. Yeah, you do when your phone's in the washing machine Well, it's it's well Like if you can get it so an arm comes in and picks out your wet clothes and drops it in the dryer It starts it that would be cool Or how about a combined washer dryer in one Thing where it drops your clothing from the washer down into the dryer that exists without you having to do it Well, I I've never seen one. Maybe they don't sell them at that time. They have combined washer dryers like that I don't think they work very well. I think that's the problem All right, well, thanks everybody for watching and we will be back with Todd Whitehead tomorrow. Goodbye