 Well, good afternoon Thanks for coming back, you know, actually, you know, I think they the presentations this morning were very good The panel I thought was was really excellent. I haven't just spent About the last couple years before I took this job over there in in the Pacific as commanding officer of a commanding general of 3MF I found great interest in remarks that went down. In fact one of them was about The relationships, you know that exists between the Chinese and the Filipinos You know I was with the ambassador ambassador Thomas over there and we were talking about the Chinese influence and He said that he was at an embassy function They're in in Manila and the Chinese ambassador came up to him and he said, you know that 60% of the Filipinos have Chinese blood and You know Ambassador Thomas said wow But did you know 100% of them have relatives in the United States? So I want to thank you for bringing me up here during the bewitching hour, you know I mean everybody's just coming back with a full stomach probably and So I'm gonna be kind of watching to make sure you don't be drifting off on me as I'm doing this presentation So that brings me to another story for when I was the J3 over in Africa man, we had a Tanzanian general come in and he was talking about Just life in in Tanzania, you know and how they lead and how then the German influence it that still exists there And so if somebody was very difficult and hard they'd say you're being like a German You're being like a German and so he told the story about how this German officer was He was he was watching all the the locals who were building a construction project And so he'd just kind of sit there and just watch him and of course he wore He wore glasses, so you know he have his glasses on and he goes Okay, it's time for me to go have lunch now But I'm gonna be watching you and he walked over and he just set the glasses on the podium On the table so they knew he was still gonna be watching him when he was gone for lunch So if I don't see you fall asleep, I'm gonna be checking the glasses afterwards here So it is a complex environment that we're dealing with let's go to the first slide. It's a little short video If you don't adapt to change and to the environment that we're in that we are not doing our duty to help defend this country Okay, next slide Okay, so what you saw is a lot of uncertainty But I want what I'm here to talk to you about is about one thing that is for certain and that is that the Navy Marine Corps Team will be there if we're needed and if you take a look at the future operating environment many of those were just brought out But you know if you look at the arc of instability Word exists, you know This is playing right out on the stage today We were around Africa Middle East Southeast Asia It's not getting any better So how do we how do we adapt? People call that then they say well what the future is going to bring is a new normal You know, I would say that we're living the new normal today And now what's going to be the future normal? And that's what we have to be prepared for next slide So how does the Marine Corps fit into this into this picture overall and it's kind of give you this a snapshot This is as of the 11th of June our force lay down Currently we maintain about 22,500 Marines west of the international dateline. So you talk about a you know rebalance to the Pacific We kept Marines there throughout the entire time that we're in Iraq and Afghanistan. We cut back a bit But we're still that we've taken all those forces and moved them back out there again all the battalions So we're going to keep over 22,000 west of the international dateline. That's for regional stability exercising with your partners we have Generally speaking our marine expeditionary units. We have seven of them but at this time you got three of them that are deployed each one's about 2200 Marines on three ships they have a command element a ground combat element of a battalion each one they have a Composite air squadron with the v-22s and inheritors and they also have a combat logistics element with each one what you find today is that the 15th Marine Expersion Unit is has been just doing some exercises and port calls here in the in Southeast Asia And is now moving over to replace the 24th Marine Expersion Unit Which will be rotating back to conus, and they'll do the same trip They'll come back through here and be able to provide additional presence here in the Pacific region as they depart the 31st Marine Expertry unit is actually stationed on Okinawa That's where the 3MF headquarters is but the three ships that they're actually four ships that support her Are all in Sassaboa, Japan and she goes on patrols approximately six months out of out of any given year and Down here in in Darwin, Australia. We have a marine rotational force that has been been going there now for About two and a half years started off at a company size unit The goal is to go ahead and move that up and build it up to about a 2,500 man force But they'll be remaining here in in Australia area Because of the what happened in Benghazi in North Africa You know the nation said we need first of all we need more security guards and we need somebody that can go ahead and respond to the crisis at the embassies and particularly in North Africa and You know our number one choice would have been to go ahead and get amphibious ships to take another marine Expersion unit perhaps put it in the Mediterranean But we don't have the availability of the ships right now and to so to be able to meet that requirement We stood up this special purpose marine air ground task force Crisis response Africa and they are actually located in in in Maron, Spain Okay, so there's another paradigm shift, you know, you've actually stationed forces in Yukon, but they're responding to Africa Okay, so the paradigm shift something that's big. That's a big change there what they've got they've got about 1200 Marines and 12 v-22s and KC 130s so that they can go ahead and respond to any crisis in North Africa that that affect our embassies in that in that region Well, we're looking to do in the future is to put a an alternative platform perhaps and I'll show you a little bit more about that later In the presentation where we can put v-22s on there and be able to respond to The embassy response that's going to be required perhaps down in the Gulf of Guinea Africa is a big place You can put the United States of America about right in that little corner right there It is large But these these v-22s have been flying down to the continent on a regular basis in support of General Rodriguez in the operations to have there That was very successful And so we ended up doing is is the commander at SENTCOM said hey, I'd like to have one of those So we ended up standing up another one and sent it over to to SENTCOM and any given day This is this group right here. It's a little bit larger. They're about About two thousand they were in seven different countries operating on a given day From being in Iraq to Jordan All throughout the Yemen the whole the whole area there So quite a command and control Challenge there for sure And then you got this is kind of economy of force effort down with southern command, but we also just had a new a new special-purpose magtaf that we actually put down here in In Honduras They're gonna be down there. They're kind of they're focused on being engineers So when the storms come through they'll be prepared to help the the nations that are down there So the goal is from the from the command on is to keep one-third of our operating forces forward Okay, either forward stationed or forward deployed So such as these these right here, and then of course in 3MF. They're in Okinawa You have the entire 3MF headquarters Not only do you do about 75 exercises activities within the Pacific region a year, but they also respond to Korea And so the Marines there on Okinawa. They have one purpose and that is to be prepared to fight tonight if they have to Okay, and then I just a little plug for amphibious operations people say well, you know, we don't think we're gonna do these anymore You know, let's be realistic here 123 since across the range of military operations since 1990 You know, it's what you're gonna find is the power of having these forces forward is When you have a crisis you have today's crisis use today's force and you can operate today That's the difference if you have to reach back to the continental United States You're talking weeks to be able to get forces forward that have any kind of sustainment Let's go next slide. So it's really about the power of the naval team and as we've come out of Iraq and Afghanistan We've refocused once again on the power and the synergy the expedition character particularly we have with our with the naval force This on the left side, which you can see is these are the CNO's Navigation plan that he has these are some of the key aspects that are that are that he talks about in there And if you go and you look at the at the Marine Corps side of the house Right force right place right time They're all completely are in sync with one another We just had and the other way we synchronized that is through a lot of these activities here in the middle And one of them is the naval board Which I co-chair with the N35 Along with the other three stars that are that are in the building where we talk about a lot of Warfighting challenges that we have and how do we work through those different warfighting challenges the second one? You see up there the warfighter talks. We just had Navy Marine Warfighter talks just last week the CNO the commandant There were four Navy four stars that were in the room We had all the senior leadership in there talking through how are we going to do better naval integration in the future? not to just do the same that we've done over the years, but actually become better at it and Everybody's committed to that one of the one of the areas that you look at is is how do we take and synchronize? All of the exercise opportunities you have out there You know we do marine exercises and those are good the Navy does exercises those are good, too But how do you make those exercises? Naval and character so that we can go ahead and and and take a look at that exercise that we just performed What were the lessons learned? How do we take those lessons then and move them into a war game? How do we take it from the war game and take it to an experiment and then take it from the experiment to the next exercise? And we're consistently raising the bar and and I can tell you the naval leadership is committed to doing that in This program here along with our war games So what we're really after is a naval force that is born integrated and I think what you'll see on these slides as we go through You're gonna see a lot about integration for that single naval battle next line So once again These are a lot of the areas that were focused on you know this morning the vice-CNO talked about all domain access Okay, it's here. It's here to stay. It's not going to change We talked about adaptive force packages Daptive force packages as I showed you all those forces that we had forward station around the globe if you have a crisis They're gonna be the fastest ones to get there Naval forces integrated at sea. So how do you bring those forces together and and integrate them? So to speak on the fly. How can you train them so they can be better prepared when they do perform? You know, they do show up for a crisis how that the command and control has been integrated They've exercised together in the states before they ever deployed and that's one of the primary focus areas We have how do we take some of these alternative platforms that exist and actually? Put into better use and I'll talk I'll talk a little bit about sea basing here as we go down And then as you look at your experimentation, how do you how do you experiment on disruptive technologies? Has anybody ever looked up googled disruptive technologies? It's it's pretty amazing, you know But I'll tell you the one that the one piece technology that really jumped out in my face is the mv-22 Osprey the tilt rotor aircraft That was disruptive technology at disrupted every process we had while we organize train equip How we did all our tactics techniques and procedures all the training everything and it's taken a long time for us to be able to Really maximize the capabilities at that aircraft because what you're talking about is just not a new aircraft You're talking about a capability that is going to go twice as fast Three times as far and carry twice the payload That's that's a big difference Most most the time when you get a new aircraft or you get a new piece of gear, you know, you get incremental change You know, you don't get leap ahead in order of magnitude change like that But we're still adapting on that. Another one is with our forces being forward As they are the naval forces, how do we better integrate with soft? Soft is is pretty much stationed all over the world. So how do we train with them beforehand? How do we integrate with them? We actually are putting soft liaison elements now on the marine experts for units when they sail so you can have a tighter Shock group and better coordination But how do we coordinate with those that are actually stationed in all these different countries when we show up during a crisis, but it's all about providing naval forces to the The command and commanders out there throughout the throughout the world next line So when you look at the concepts and it was something that was brought up this morning about how we need to probably look at our Concepts probably do need to do some changes on concepts and things like that These are some that that have been valid for us and I'll walk through them. These are acronyms I know you're going to shoot me because I'm using some acronyms here But this is a operational maneuver from the sea ship to the objective maneuver Sea basing distributed operations. So what would you see here, you know in years ago? What did you do you took and you landed the force and you built an iron mountain on the shore? And then you projected the forces forward, okay? In the future what we intend to do is to operate from the sea base So that you look at the the MV-22 to be able to go ahead and go directly to objectives deep inland Same thing we're looking at high speed maneuverability over the surface to be able to because we're gonna have to go from further out, you know, I'd say 15 years ago we would say that This sea base had to be 25 miles out over the horizon to be safe Today this sea base is probably going to be pushed out beyond 50 miles Because of the threats that exist out there today. So how do we overcome that? How do we adapt? How do we bring forces together and integrate them at the sea base and not have to go ashore and then fly the forces in? Move the the sustainment in the capabilities in and marry them up and integrate them And that's we'll talk a little bit about that as we move forward As We've worked as we've worked through this this some of these problems Yeah, the Commandance actually had all of our three-star and four-star leadership sitting around the table doing wargaming as We've the last two executive off-sites you had and it the staff talks that we just had with our Navy counterparts We did some of the same type of wargaming and talked through some of the key issues on things that we needed to go Head and work on as we try to make this a single naval battle And not just focused on just one type of mission area next line So we do after our challenges when you do amphibious operations and you can see them up here But it's not about just doing things better It's it's about how do we do things differently in the future and how do we leverage the innovation that's out there? you know the second they have has been very focused on on innovation and you've probably seen a lot of His recent speeches and whatnot on on innovation where he plans of taking the Navy Marine Corps team But innovation is what's going to give us that leap ahead? It's not about taking a reset in your force for how are you were ten years ago How are you going to go ahead and build the force you need for the next ten years and beyond and that's what that's We're gonna have to get through through innovation Next line this is what I was talking to you about about the sea base Ten years ago these are amphibious ships right here That's what make up a marine expression unit Ten years ago. You could not talk about amphibious ships and The maritime preposition fleet in the same sentence It was verboten Because one was a threat to the other. It's not they they're they are fully in a Have the ability to integrate and they're interoperable and and that's a lot of the experimentation We've been doing here in recent as I talked about the this is a this is a MLP mobile landing platform right here And you see it in the picture here It's to be able to transfer Equipment at sea and integrate forces at sea we put a flight deck on it and There's only one in existence today the other one's being built now But this is the type of a ship that we could put down in the Gulf of Guinea Where the threat level is fairly low when you look at the range of military operations But it can be able to provide an aviation bed down secure site to be able to put Marines If we had to go into say, North Africa or Guinea. This is a joint high-speed vessel We now have 11 of them that that have been paid for Capable of doing all over 40 knots. Okay, so when you talk start talking about high-speed maneuver over to sea and if you can take and put 25 armored vehicles on one of those babies and and the Marines to support it and under the cover of darkness you take these things and They they can be going up and down the beach to go to places that where the enemy never expected to go It's pretty powerful. You're not going to go straight into the teeth You're going to go find the gaps in the seams and I think these these capabilities here are going to be very important to us But you see them here. So we're working now. We've got the ships We just don't have a ramp to be able to launch something from it So we're working to figure out how do we how do we build a ramp to be able to to allow that to happen? So it's going to be the the power of This is how do we take all these different capabilities that are that make up the sea base and How do we better integrate those together to be able to give us to leap ahead capabilities that we need for the future? And how big is that sea base going to be? It's going to pin on the mission You're not going to say it's just going to be it's going to support a marine experts brigade only Maybe it's going to be something less than a marine experts brigade. Maybe it's a light brigade Maybe it's a medium brigade, but it's all going to depend on whatever the crisis is and what what kind of capabilities that you actually need But we're also doing a modern day Navy's doing a modernization on both the LCU and and and the and the LCAC as we speak but V-22 has been a complete game-changer for the for the armed forces It only took us a little while to get there, but we're we've got I think one more squadron yet to field next line So what does it mean? We talked about it being a complex world We need to have you know you talked about cyber threats that are out there You know so we need to have Leaders that can think on their feet that can understand the commander's intent that can get out there and working in a distributed environment and As we do these exercises That's one of the things we're going to have to have to practice is Shut off all the communications jam everything. How do you operate and That's why so I develop leaders that can thrive in that type of environment It's going to be more urban complex Once again integration is going to be the key if you look throughout this It's all about integrating systems and it's about synchronizing those war games and tabletops and exercises bringing them all together Instead of just doing one activity after another activity after another activity and not linking it all together That is going to get us to where we need to go and that's going to be that single naval battle in support of that combatant commander Next line So last slide Here's your the range of military operations, you know You want to be able to adjust that that rheostat however necessary you want to have forces that can can conduct Partner building, you know advise and assist relief operations But you also have to have forces that can operate on the on the far right side of that range of military operations You know, I'll tell you, you know, we've got a great group here. I'm gonna tell you joint operations are hard Anybody disagree with that? I Mean our partners look at us. They say boy, you guys really got this stuff down. You guys really know what you're doing But I'm telling you it's hard Joint combined are even harder Joint combined interagency are the hardest By far Relationships do make a make a huge difference this this came from the chief naval operations right there He said when when he and the commandant can walk in the room together And they and they've already talked through in the issues. No one else in the building can touch them They're an unbeatable team and that's the way we operate at in the operating forces as well You know, we have to make sure that we you know, we talk about here and in Contested environment. I don't think there's gonna be any more permissive environments. I Don't think you can count on a permissive environment I think you're gonna have to every environment you're gonna go into well Even if we're an HADR if you're building doing partner capacity building, it's probably gonna be uncertain At the least at least uncertain and then The things that we committed to is a as a naval team was one to develop the con ops for all the types of different missions We might have to perform both at the at the marine experts your unit level brigade level and in the task force levels the Planning and exercising and then how do we actually bring the naval C2 together? You know today when you look at the marine experts or units and the amphibious ready groups that are out there They train and work up together for six months before they ever sell They have a very regimented Training program, but at the end of that they can they can execute any mission that that they're all that they're assigned They've got about 15. They train to in six hours Six hours from receipt of the mission to they actually begin to execute Okay, pretty powerful How do we how do we take that synergy and move it up to the next level for a brigade level where you've got? three or four mused come together and build a force and That's what we've got to continually do and that's about this exercise exercise You know if you look at it at joint operations There's kind of the way they look right there, you know when we started out in Granada, what do we do? We were de-conflicted as Services, you know we got into a desert storm we became more interoperable. We could talk to one another at least coordinate Just recently in in Iraq and in Afghanistan We've come to more full integration and that actually in Afghanistan now We've gotten a certain amount of interdependency and that scares a lot of people interdependency But that's this is where we're going and this is where we need to go And and these are some of the major exercises that we've been conducting as this as I said you do a bold alligator You take all the lessons learned you roll them into the war game you do the Experimentation and then you take them to the next exercise. We might be on the Don Blitz It's on the West Coast or Song Yong over in in in Korea So we've got our challenges ahead of us, but I think that the Navy Marine Corps team is very well postured To be able to respond when we talk about complex situations I don't think any other team in the world today can do it as well as a Navy Marine Corps team Next line That I'll take your questions So again, yeah, you can Yeah, good afternoon, sir major Brugman Marine Corps Last semester we studied operational planning in the six phases of a notional construct My question is regards to phase one and phase act phase two activities with four deployed units specifically in the South China Sea My concern is that we are good at phase three operations But development of a menu of FROs or flexible response options with the apply applicable and timely are we approval? During the transition between the phases last development Could you validate my concerns or provide additional insight? Well, I'm gonna ask you a question Is is China in phase one or phase zero? You know phase phase phase zero operations theater security cooperation, you know and in phase one You know building partner capacity and in those those lower echelons is something that We need to do better, you know and as part of you know the special-purpose magtaf that's located in Maron, Spain They've got an axels. There's an element. That's a company-sized element. That's that's located in Signale, Italy Okay, and so when you start looking at building partner capacity in Africa for example, that's where their their focus is on They send small units down there and you go to Africa to train with the nations down there They don't want a platoon They don't want a company to come in they want small units that can come in and base and do some basic level training and build capacity for their folks and So that's what they do they actually once again work for for Africa so, you know we For the phase one and in in phase two I mean, that's one of the things we continually train for you know and as we as we move forward when we redesign these exercises That's the one thing that we're pushing to make sure that those are designed into those exercises But even in phase one and phase two They may not be in a in a permissive environment. I mean I can remember doing the tsunami in Indonesia Back in 04 and we were going into Sumatra and there was a civil war going on and The question was Are you going in with your body armor and helmets and and rifles or are you going in with soft covers and assume a certain amount of risk and Decision was made that we were going to go in with soft covers and assume a amount a certain amount of risk and it paid off It paid off So those are decisions that have to be made but those are things that have to be rehearsed and you know, it's the same thing You know, it's about being ready to go. You know and in three meff. That's what what I really prided The the meffon was to be in prepared to fight tonight in Korea being prepared to go to to respond to any Natural disaster that would come up. So like I'll just give you an example that operation Tomodachi, you know the Earthquake hit it I want to say about fourteen hundred in the afternoon on a Friday and We launched aircraft by the next morning and started heading north to the sound of the guns So that was the first complex crisis now. You talked about training. That's a complex crisis. You got a nine-point Think it was nine point five earthquake followed by a 30-foot tsunami followed by a nuclear meltdown. I Mean who trains for that? but the Navy Marine Corps team responded they were the first first responders and And I mean it was pretty powerful You know, it's about it's about, you know addressing the current crisis the current force today And that's what's really important. You may not get it a hundred percent right But it's just getting there and starting to get your foot in the door and get set up get command and control rolling To answer your question. Hey, anybody else? Thank you, sir. I agree to presentation I am a return commander economy from Japan My question about the innovation and adapt adaptive leadership you mentioned about the importance of innovation and adaptive leadership I think it is essential to deal with new norms But it is difficult to nurture So what is the key to nurture innovative adaptive leadership to deal with our new norms? Well, I think it's it's training and exercising. Okay, particularly with your partners The more you can train and exercise with your partners the stronger you're going to be because we're not we're not going anywhere by ourselves You know the Marine Corps is not going in to be there by themselves. We're going to be part of a joint force We're probably going to be part of a coalition force So it's about that training and exercising with your partners, you know the the strength of I'll give you like an example of A cobra gold exercise. Have you heard of cobra gold? I think it's the largest Exercise live exercise we have in the free world in the world today I know when we did that particular Exercise you had a live x portion and then you also had a staff x in the staff x you had up to 20 nations They were part of that a part of that staff x and they were part of my staff Okay, they were my j3. They were my j5. They were they filled a lot of the key positions and You know you work through it and you and you train together and you and you go through all the course of action development you go through all that together and And why is that important? Well, because if you had another tsunami down there that hit like in 05 or 04 Those are the same guys are going to show up It's about building that route those relationships and the soft community is really good at building relationships It's about having those established relationships It's like it's like going from Okinawa to the Philippines that you go to Clark Air Base You know that's exactly where you're gonna go. This is the building. I'm going to I know who the base commander is You know, I was just there an exercise with these guys You know two months ago and and guess what now we're responding to a crisis that's going on down there And it reduces all the time and it reduces all of all the problems you have with trying to you know Set up relationships and establish those types of Valuable relationships, so it's it's about training and exercising. That's that's how you're going to get there to answer your question Yes Sir commander Townsend along the same lines with security cooperation and specifically HADR from the previous question as a former J5 Southcom guy I was Happy to see the special purpose magtaf that you have down there Curious as to you know what your thoughts are on how we tie that to national security That's a preposition force. It's there as you described for for HADR contingencies But how do you how do we sell of the tie to national security to the public? Well, you know, I think national security is something that is gonna be forward You know and and you have to be forward I believe to be able to establish that those relationships that have that credibility to be able to accomplish the mission you know having this force it's like 453s and about 200 Marines down there and They're at Soda Kano. I believe it is the site But if you have a disaster that means they're gonna be able to respond You know within a matter of hours It's compared to trying to deploy forces to come from the United States to get down there or to be able to get a ship That's gonna be able to get out of port that's gonna You know have the right mix of forces on there to be able or that they're one off training if you had a Mew that was training in the last days of their workouts They'd send those guys straight down there to be doing something like that. So it's about it's about being forward it's about creating relevance and And stability Does that answer your question? Yes, sir. The army has a Shoulder-fired missile that will produce 8,000 degrees Fahrenheit temperature inside a tank My question is you're building the turtle combat ships out of aluminum Down in the Falkland war There were a lot of problems with aluminum in combat So are you using a material that's really suited for the need? The joint high-speed vessel is also aluminum it's built one of them actually built by the exact same company One of there's two different little combat ships that are out there built by two different manufacturers But one of them is is built by the same one that does the the look the high-speed vessel the key is is that you're gonna have to know where what kind of Threat conditions you're gonna be able to go ahead and operate in you know, it's like when you look when I showed you that picture of the amphibious Landing lay out there and stuff I mean you're gonna have to set conditions and that's what we talked about was a part of Navy Marine Corps team Okay, do we have the capabilities in an a2 ad environment to set the conditions that would be required to actually accomplish this mission? And it was we said yes, we could it's not going to be over a broad front like this entire room He is probably going to be more focused that of an area that you're going to be able to set those conditions to be able to maintain those Conditions, but over a period of time those conditions are going to go ahead and change You're not going to be able to take a littoral combat ship in probably immediately into a high a2 ad environment You know the conditions are going to have to be set right for that ship to be able to operate in those in those conditions And it's going to be the same thing with the joint high-speed vessel I think it's going to have to stay out there in a safe area until the conditions are set that We know that it can be operated safely did answer your question Yes, sir. I have one other question. No, okay You can have two Panama is now under the control of the Chinese in all essence If we were denied transit through the now by the Chinese That would have quite an effect. I would presume on the military out military and also In commerce, yeah, how do you solve it politically? Where's the diplomats in the room? That's a diplomatic challenge Military is not gonna be able to solve that it'll be a political diplomatic solution. Yes, sir My name is Chris layman. It was born in Manila. I have no Chinese blood and 100% of my relatives live in the United States. There you go Having said that my question to you is talk about Navy Marine Corps team What are you doing in terms of the Army and the Air Force in terms of? building up the same kind of joint operations Well, ultimately you're focused on supporting the joint force commander, you know with the with the forces that you need What we feel is that that we can deliver a better capability To the joint force commander out there as an able team and not as individual services coming in but we you know We routinely we exercise routinely with the Army and the Air Force, you know, I mean in Korea, you know When I commanded 3MF You know, it's an Army command that that's up there and the commander of US forces Korea and you know We operated extensively with him We we exercised with him on a routine basis with the with the soldiers up there as well as the Air Force Seventh Air Force is there as well. So I mean in any fight that As we do do capability development, that's probably my number. That's my number one priority It's to make sure that any system that we that we are developing is going to be born joint Not just for the Marine Corps or just for the Navy enabled team, but to actually be joint interoperable So that is we're forces forward as I showed you and what the intent will be if we get there quickly That we can set up a an open architecture that's going to be Meet the joint standards so that when more joint forces come in that they'll be able to plug into that Architecture to be able to to operate and have effective command and control So that's that's the way I look at capability development because I know it's going to be a joint fight that we have But the first thing I do is clean up our own house got time for one more then I got the hook. They said Yes, sir Status of the what Building a port a port they're building a lot of stuff in Africa There's their ports, there's dams They have built a lot of infrastructure all around Africa and But you know quite frankly from what I've seen is that the host nations while they get a capability at the end They don't get any contribution into building it They don't get anything out of it other than the structure at the end It's not like they're they're employing the the local Countrymen to go ahead and do this they actually import all the Chinese Workers and everybody else to do the to do these major projects So the they in the end the country ends up with you know, they they got a new dam They might have a new port facility They may have no other capabilities, but the host nation and the workforce didn't get much out of it There was no development So I can't really comment on on you know, is this a port on the West Coast? I Think it's off of Kenya. I Think it was talks about that Okay Yeah, I kind of lost touch on that one. I haven't stayed up I used to be the J3 J4 at Africa common and I would have known at that time, but been a couple years Okay, well, thank you very much. Thanks for your commitment