 i'll need you let me see how about right now there you go recording in progress okay interesting okay uh john are you recording i will be but i won't tell you the countdown okay good six five four three two one hello and welcome to the digital free thought radio hour and woz radio 103.9 lp fm right here in noxville tennessee we're recording this on sunday morning february the 13th 2022 i'm larry rhodes or a doubter five and as usual we have our co-host wombat on the line with us hello wombat hello that must be me i'm the wombat that's right and we also have george brown the two and a half from east tennessee hello we have john richards from england across the pond with the parliament in the background hello and jeb pirate higgs hello the piratey voice of jeb pirate higgs digital free thought radio hour is a talk radio show about atheism free thought rational thought humanism and the sciences and conversely we'll also talk about religion religious faith god's holy books and superstition and if you think you're the only non-believer in town well you're just not here in noxville in the bible belt we have a group of over a thousand of us so you're bound to have several of them in your town we'll tell you more about the the atheist society of noxville i'll get it out here in a minute after the mid-show break so be sure to hang around wombat what are we going to be talking about today should you become a christian and what would it take for that to finally happen we're going to do some good salesman door-to-door style to get you on the path of christ as soon as we possibly can time is running out time's running out the time's running out every day you never know anyway guys i've been waiting for this for a long time i want to do a weekly invocation with our own dread pirate higgs and then catch up with everybody our newtley lord who are tenor colander how don't they be thy noodles thy blood be run thy sauce be young with meat as it is with vegetables give us this day our garlic bread and forgive us our cussing as we forgive those who cuss against us and lead us not into key tourism but deliver us some carbs for thine are the meatballs and the sauces and the grog whenever and ever well and i've been waiting for a while to hear that from you dread dread how you been uh good working lots uh if i'm on day shift of course i run six to six so that puts me outside of being able to record or stream the show sure sure sure but i'm here this week i will be gone for the next two um wow okay okay my invocation will last a good long time for you wonderful the the noodles stretch onwards through time that's right so i will ask you this your beard looks a little different i thought last time i saw you're going like a little uh braid on it no longer the case or is it just free hanging today well it's uh yeah it's free hanging today usually i sometimes i i put a bead in it and so what i do is i i just put a piece of dental cloths and i take the thing and i wrap it around my beard i throw a bead on okay pull the dental floss out and it's a free hanging willy there you know all right all right all right hang loose hang loose my friend hang loose exactly john richard's i got a question for you so there was a thing called google glass and everybody hated it because they had a camera pointed at people whoever you're looking at and then that dropped because people understood that they hate cameras then apple does the exact same thing they put three cameras on their phone and now everyone carries around a camera in their breast pocket and it's just recording everything they're looking at too and no one has a problem with that and i'm wondering is it google pioneering the the the that the whole you know the stain against cameras and making it okay or is it just apple that is that cool of a company and people don't care about them anymore so like what's going on there why are you recording me i feel very uncomfortable i'm not recording you it's not it's not there's cameras on both sides nice try yeah it looks looks as i sneakly am recording you doesn't it but i honestly not but you've got to catch the public mood when it when it's right you know because take for example the last two years many many of us have got comfortable with zooming and even with youtubeing lots of us and youtube channel owners now we do live streaming all the time the public mood is changing and we're now ready for a mic and cam social media site and i'm working on it very cool very cool you know what i'm glad because things are constantly changing we need to keep up with them if we're going to stay on top of things but we also need to support the clubs and and organizations that may need our assistance in keeping up with times and i think a good way of doing that is making sure that we spread virtual awareness for causes that are coming up in the future and i think you have to know one that's coming up would you mind talking to us about it uh you do mean my free thought city i think there's a fundraiser coming up sir that oh sorry me my fundraiser yeah i do so much scheming i lose so much easy and everything i lose track of what i'm doing but yes this coming saturday there's a fundraiser relay so so it starts in the uk with i'm hosting it i've got a co-host who's going to join me and people will come on for 10 minutes or so i've got some entertainment items as well and clips of to involve the audience in guessing what things are and that sort of stuff and who's that pokemon i love it or or that who's that atheist exactly that sort of thing and and it's all in aid of recovering from religion organization which is does sterling work as you know and then i hand over the baton after three and a half hours to the uk sorry the usa leg of this relay and that's a ethan michael who's carrying on with the show for another four hours and hopefully and i'm working on this he will then hand over to the australian leg of this marathon fundraiser which is going to be hosted by some friends of mine in australia and japan so there you go has it ever been done before no well that's interesting i've never heard of such a thing i can't wait to be a part of it and i hope you know it's successful um i guess we'll have more details about where we can find it uh i think where can we keep track of that i will post you in our messenger where where we uh are we chat okay three times and and we will we will put it up on the details underneath this video and just for a heads up it's planned for release on the 19th of february so it'll be before our next gathering or our next show right it'll be on a saturday correct all right uh so we got a new guy coming in here hey when you get your audio is hooked up feel free to to take part of the chat but larry and perhaps you know him uh who who's our new guest right now this is a new lady it's a lady she's got a kind of a toboggan hat on toboggan hat yeah we her online name is christin t martin and i'm glad she joined us today but she's looks like she's going to be a little bit getting the audio and video synced up sure she should be in she's just a long time brand api yeah what else is zoom without technical issues though speaking about very how you've been how have you been over the last couple of days are you wearing suspenders too what's going on here i'm wearing suspenders i have freed my waist nice yeah i'm coming up on my 70 so 72nd birthday and uh i'm getting a little more pear shaped and if i lose my belt my pants seem to fall down so i'm getting to that age yeah i'm dealing with it and it's kind of cool i can walk around like a southern lawyer now yeah yeah you would make a great southern lawyer man you would make a great southern lawyer it's like i think this guy is innocent it's like yeah i like this guy i like this guy all right uh george brown the second and a half how you been since last week my friend well i've been i've been just fine and apropos of today's topic a neighbor had made an attempt to convert me to christianity and i've been thinking about it a lot okay mostly really really angry at the assumption that i'm right for the plucking now why aren't you like what tell me what the problem we should get into that when we get into the topic of the show okay indeed indeed i need to lose candy never know what he's going sometimes you have to ride the wave and just like try to like control it but yeah i thought i'd put it out as a teaser let's introduce them welcome our new guest that christin you're muted if you can unmute your mic i think she kind of froze up there yeah she might be having some technical issues yeah christin whenever you're able whenever you have those results feel free to jump back in but uh how about we go into the actual topic so george brown i wonder if he's can you hear me push uh your audio is dragon well good yeah you're coming through hi christin hey christin we appreciate anyway you feel free to we're happy that you're on the show feel free to jump into the topic as we go into it and if you know sign language is more than better than i can help you translate so okay okay okay peace let's go all right so george brown someone said you should become a christian i think that's a good topic that everybody should be talking about today why well i know we aren't christians but i don't know if it's a conscious decision on our parts or if it's just you know the default i know for example john richards you were never really born into the flock and now that you are president of atheism in the uk is it just the money that's keeping you away from going into the church because i can guarantee you there's probably a lot more money it's a very lucrative position for you as the president of atheism to jump into christianity now why aren't you taking the money why aren't you becoming a christian john well that would be hypocritical i think oh that would be perfect for christianity yes absolutely incidentally i get nothing for my pains for being president of a uk so it wouldn't be difficult to earn more anyway the question why should why should i become a christian well why should i become a believer of any god until they've been demonstrated to actually exist okay and if i was to choose to join a religion it probably wouldn't be christianity because the christian god certainly the old testament version of the christian god he's not a very nice fellow he's not a very nice fellow not the pop nice fellows in fact i'll be honest with you uh and this is the part where i get clipped and and thrown up in debates but i have found satan to be substantially more polite in asking for consent and informing naked people about proper dietary you know it provides and much less much less of a murderer too much less oh yeah christian christians stripping it looks like hey christian uh on radio she's just taking up her jacket okay it's okay so if i was to join a religion it would it would possibly be i don't know buddhism you know one of the pastafarianism yeah definitely yes i go with pastafarianism they definitely have the better potluck so i'll tell you that yes yes i like i like pasta uh christian approves dred gonna ask you this question why aren't you becoming a christian i listen you love pacifarians and you know christians hate that pacifarian thing but listen you know you like wearing religious garbs you'd be able to wear all the religious garb if you were a christian think about that you'd be able to spot yourself out with the christian necklaces the christian things and people would love to take your pictures and put them on government IDs no one will give you any trouble whatsoever isn't that right i'm a bit of a contrarian so uh that's why i've uh you know uh sticking with the pastafarianism and i just wanted to it probably won't show up here but get it in focus this week this has been a long time coming so it's fine so you're finally showing us the tricorn on your driver's license yeah yeah uh that's that's actually my uh private investigator license so i am now a p.i oh really thank you thank you and after a long fight they finally uh put my allowed me to have my tricorn in my picture as you can see there so one day you're gonna be cool about all your job strat because this is very yes when's the series coming out yeah well i'm actually uh in yellowstone north i don't know you've seen the series yellowstone on prime tv oh really check that out yes uh this is i'm living the real thing in canada and it's actually i but yeah i go up uh for every 10 days for 10 days wow very cool thread what's your what's your p.i number is it 3.142 yeah no i know that's a reference to something yeah pognum yeah i get it yeah yeah oh no no five the number five it's a number thing okay okay all right all right nerds we are going on to larry larry let me tell you something you've been you i'm going to be honest with you've been wasting a lot of time with this whole atheist thing wouldn't you feel nice to relax in your retirement years you'd be able to relax sit down and just enjoy and bask in the glory of god right what would it take for you to become a christian my friend come on you're already wearing suspenders well it would take changing on about 37 different beliefs in my whole world for you the first of which is the belief in a soul i mean why would i want to become a christian since i don't believe in a soul or an afterlife never mind a god or jesus or sin or hell and all that good stuff you know it would be a major shift in my world outlook and um each one would have to be supported with evidence and reason so um yeah they're not gonna just get me by coming and knocking on my door and showing me the bible saying it's god's word that won't do it they have to do a little better than that yeah i think once you've once you've had the blue pill you can't do the red pill anymore or the other way around you know i heard that though there are just things as born again christians right and a lot of them do come from a supposedly or allegedly atheist backgrounds they'll be like well i was an atheist for a month and i realized that i didn't hate god enough so therefore i went back to being christian and the problem go for it dread thank you well i was just gonna say if you remember that uh one time we had that uh guest on who who was the the born again but it was it was pretty clear that he had not fully divorced himself from his prior beliefs and was essentially a latent christian yeah he was an angry christian he wasn't he was an angry christian so calling himself an atheist of course um which of course sort of illegitimizes the whole word or term on on behalf of us all because uh you know it muddies the water essentially muddies the terminology absolutely absolutely john richards i'm wondering about the need for anybody to worship anything i mean hey what is this is it some sort of endemic subservience or something right i mean yeah you know don't you think god deserves the credit though like if you made a pie and it was a delicious pie and you're like hey can i get a compliment for the pie you're like why do i have to compliment you as the baker shouldn't you just be making pies it's like i feel i mean i worked really hard on that pie don't you feel like god worked really hard on spacetime and reality as we know it well i i've had a little debate today on facebook on one of our my favorite sites which is called unbelievable question mark where i argue with people and this this particular christian said look around you you know the trees the trees evidence for god so i said oh and so beauty in harmony is evidence for uncle uncle who is it cool he's my favorite uncle uncle who uncle uncle okay larry don't know him no i was just wondering what's his purpose what why would he create a space time the universe because he loves you larry it's in the book no no no no apparently apparently he's creating that you know the universe and and worlds and gravity and physics and all this other good stuff just so that it would support a bunch of people to praise him yeah you know just just to create a choir to sing his praises praises that's why you exist it's why you have souls like you know that's the whole system come on play with the system larry dread what's up yes well you know i i've thought about this uh you know if god had created the universe and all things in it why why atoms like why why you know do we have quarks why not just magic you know what i mean oh like backing you know back in early christian times of course it was just magic because there was no real explanation there was no science there was no examination of the details of things it was it was because it was and there was no need to explain so um you know it if god can is all powerful then he doesn't need atoms and quarks to constitute the universe he doesn't need the constants finely tuned to accommodate life in the universe it's just magic it just doesn't need to be a code that we're slowly on reviewing exactly there doesn't need to be yeah we don't need genes we don't need proteins we don't need biology we don't need anything it's just magical a table should just be a table though i will throw this out i you're worried about and confused about atoms i'm always confused about nipples there seems to be twice as many nipples in existence there actually needs to be yes i i would we lost half of them no one would care no you're like oh i'm lighter everything's great i want to give a chance for george to jump in because george this is originally your topic now listen what's what's this whole idea of you being addressed or propositioned with the idea of becoming a christian would you mind giving the back store there any oh good mute technique look at that well i i i mean i i don't think we've got enough time for me to get into this very much but i have a neighbor who came around and handed me this thick pamphlet i don't think you can see what it says it looks oh it's peace it says peace i give to you nice and what this is this is the gospel of saint john now uh to recap here a little bit i am an organic jewish atheist meaning that jewish culturally but not raised in any religion that's right not raised in any religion and not raised with god in the house whatsoever it's you know um i i never had to negate any kind of religious indoctrination because i didn't have well it sounds like you're right for the picking not a part of my become a christian you should become a christian why aren't you a christian right now tell me well i'll tell you um the first thing is that in in parting with this woman i said i mean i allowed that i had a jewish background to her and she asked me if i hated jesus she said do you hate jesus i said what you know is that of course not that's ridiculous um i realized that we were on different planets this person and me i mean i know that she attends the mothership of all the baptist churches in my county now to give you an idea of the um the nature of the evangelicalism where i live we have a couple of counties here uh a larger one and a smaller one and there is a so-called daily newspaper which comes out four days a week and on friday they publish a list of all the houses of worship in the two counties and one day i got out my pen and i counted all of them that were listed so i know what i know there are so anyway this woman attends the mothership of all the baptist churches believe it or not it's hard for me to get my head around this number but there are 167 official baptist churches in these two counties sure yeah i mean even that is staggering that is just so overwhelming to me my town has less of a population of 5 000 and there's 67 different churches here oh my goodness and they're all christian but i'm just okay listen here's the funny thing too i can i can tell you directions by the street or by the church name and so i could say just take black's yz road here or i can be like go past the passion of the christ take a left at the new belief turn right at the the god sakes of all sheep and then turn right at the new truth and then you'll be so all the christian landmarks are the way to get around town this way you know what's up well let's try to get to everybody dread pirate what's up well i was just going to say that our churches have another success the church of the flying spaghetti monster we've successfully applied to the adopt a highway program wonderful and so they are posting a church of the flying spaghetti monster and crew as a adopt a highway sponsor for a two kilometer section here and there's on either side of the town you know you have the rotary and the lions club entry signs well they have one for all the christian churches in town and they're on private property and nobody maintains them so i talked to the owner of the extra foods this grocery store here on whose property one of those signs is and i have his permission to add the church of the flying spaghetti monster to that sign so well done very good thank you dread and your mission of chaos dude i tell you if i lived in british columbia we would have so much fun together oh yeah what are we doing today you can always come visit i've got a room for you oh man that's fantastic okay we'll see about this this sounds awesome okay john richards uh well i would like to close on one other idea i think i saw your hand raised and if not let me well yeah i just wanted to pick up pick up on a couple of things because dred mentioned that um we're all atoms and you know physical material phenomena and then and then george talked about him and his neighbor being on different planets and it made me wonder since we know that god is immaterial i'm wondering sorry well we we're told we're told that another christian's always tell us that especially when they when we push them to give us evidence and they say oh we can't we can't do that because he's immaterial that's their get out but um it makes me wonder why why this immaterial god wants these material things are we his lego do you think wow i am just blown away by the level of grammatical accuracy that you have john richards it is pronounced lego anyone who says lego's is wrong so that i'm just blown away by that yeah but also the concept of the playground it seems bizarre yeah anyway guys i think we're near the end of the half hour we'll come back and check up on christian's audio and then see if she can join in the conversation larry why don't you take us out sir this is the digital free thought radio hour and w o z o radio 103.9 l p f m here in noxville tennessee we'll be right back after this short break four three two hello and welcome back to the second half of the digital free thought radio hour i'm doubter five and we're on w o z o radio 103.9 l p f m right here in noxville tennessee now let's just take a moment to talk about the atheist society of noxville ask was founded in 2002 we're now in our 20th year ask has over a thousand members and we have weekly in-person meetings in the noxville's old city barley's taproom and pizzeria look for us inside at the high top tables usually the loudest and happiest group if you'd like to join our Tuesday evening virtual zoom meeting email us at askanatheist at noxvilleatheist.org or let's chat s e at gmail.com you can also find ask on facebook meetup.com or just go to their website at noxvilleatheist.org or you can google noxville atheist it's just that simple by the way if you don't live in noxville you should still go to meet up and search for us atheist group in your town don't find one star one and one bet where do you want to pick up got a quick comment i cry three thousand has said a comment to dred dred i took some action to get you to a hundred subscribers thank you subscribe to your channel congratulations thank you yes i and i uh so i've changed or customized the name to mine pirate nice and i will be uh making my first um studio produced uh talk on the higgs boson oh i love that that will be my introduction to the youtube all the boson that was named after you yeah that's the one that's the heads up i cry 3000 was 99 daughter was 100 sweet nice well thank you very much both of you you're welcome oh i'm not saying you're welcome and christin i hope you're here would you mind giving us your life story in 30 seconds go oh christin introduce yourself there you go all right can you hear me i uh okay i'm here in the bible belt uh in the south and the united states i know larry um my parents did not and they went to great pains to not indoctrinate me into any philosophy and so hats off to all of us because we're really the outliers in our society here just totally so that's it in a nutshell uh you know we're all facing the same things in our society with uh people trying to make religion and god part of a government separation of church and state is huge let me ask this question christin did you ever feel tempted to go into uh uh christianity like you see the people celebrating christmas you see how happy they are maybe with hanukkah whatever they got going on did you ever want to be a part of that didn't anyone ever make a compelling argument for you to join the fold um well i mean my parents made sure that we had uh christmas and everything it just wasn't with god or any kind of indoctrination it was with santa claus yeah so but yeah i did have friends growing up who always wanted to invite me to their churches and everything and it just would always just be so mind blowing that i knew all of these people and all around us even still today as you all very well know yeah who are are genia flexing to this unknown unseen thing that is like he was saying from uk is just not in this realm well if he's not i can make the assertion of the flying spaghetti monster or the tea pot or anything so um i just yes i did try to pray to god once uh he didn't answer and that was really the end of it christian you actually bring up a really good point i like the dresses dread dread is there a rival teapot religion that the pacifarians can like group up with and fight against because you're not a religion absolutely absolutely yeah russell's teapot i love that um yeah we have people and the thing is the belief in the flying spaghetti monster is not exclusive so uh and that's why we have the god back guarantee try yourself for 30 days and if you don't if you don't like us your god will likely take you back so yeah i love it people can hold multiple beliefs about the uh nature of the universe and conflict yeah we love them all we'll take them all uh john what's up well i've been thinking about this should i become a christian idealist theme and it's a question of what does becoming a christian actually mean it means following some humans doesn't it and then interesting of course then then we've got to fight we've got to choose which humans to follow and because christian is in the the southern stinks at the moment i want to mention a couple of news items that's happened this week in oklahoma senator rob standard has introduced a bill that would allow people to sue teachers if they offer opposing view towards religious beliefs held by students wow so you can is that in america is that america yeah okay all right don't want to get on too much of a tirade here but yes americas can sue anybody for any reason because we have uh a law system that's based on okay we have a law system that's based on what happens in court here it's not a law system that's like first made in parliament and then those are the rules that goes on i forgot what the the premises but it throws a lot of people it's not a great system let me tell you but it is a flexible system that only changes when you litigate and so because of that anybody can sue anybody i can sue you for saying that right now it might get dismissed in court but then the premise or the precedent becomes anybody who sues another person in zoom just gets dismissed because that person did it yeah founded on practice yeah so like you can as a politician make legal to sue i don't know cupcake people because if you want to make points against the anti cupcake people but it's not really doing anything it's just useless posturing and it's unfortunate but yeah let's not litigious society yes litigious society yeah and and they're actually passing laws now that allow people to sue over just about anything that they don't like yeah like we've always had that it's just a question it gets dismissed in court or it gets passed through in court then it becomes an issue yeah but i mean they're passing laws like in arkansas or something and they if somebody try if a teacher tries to introduce a certain anti religious topic uh then they they passed a law to allow people to sue that teacher and she cannot appeal i mean and if it is fine the teacher has their own pocket can't be covered by the the school or any other organization so and i want to mention another issue in the same sort of part of the world where this is a Texan senator famous Ted Cruz and he's mentioning dred will like this because he's taking fame he's a he's agreeing with canadian qa non-truckers right and he's suggesting that what they should do is let the people of Vancouver starve as a punishment for the government's COVID-19 vaccine mandates i'm not gonna let you take us on this tangent that's enough global atheist news for right now you got your own channel don richards let's get back to live talking about if you should become a christian let me tell you something well if for me it's a case of which would you want to follow yeah but for me what it would take for me to become not a christian well for me to take me believe if all a christian is is someone who believes that the christian god is real if that's all it took then i would just need a demonstration that that god was actually real and if it was revealed to everybody i don't know what the standard would be but like if it was if that god knew the standard it would take for for convincing everybody and i was part of that system i would have no choice but to believe in that god at that point whether or not i worship after the fact is a completely different issue and so i may not even be a christian even if i know there is a christian god but if i knew the god was real and i'm going to throw this question out to everybody too uh dread pirate feel free to give me your comment but also answer the question if you were able to have a revelation of that christian god then would you start believing in the god and would you then start worshiping after the fact go for it dread absolutely if the if the evidence uh you know was uh stronger that there was actually a god and a christian god uh yeah well yeah sure um but uh we have to remember Hebrews 11 which says that faith is the assurance of things hope for and things not seen so exactly so i can't use faith so there is no evidence there is no evidence that needs to be provided because faith is the basis for a belief in god yeah so you wouldn't have faith anymore if god actually did reveal himself that's right see you would be believing on evidence and not on faith it's a catch 22 situation it's a catch 22 because even if you become a christian because god revealed himself to you you can't use faith to get to the god anymore because you can now have the revelation so it's just like what are you doing what are you doing you're it's an impossible circle anyway oh i'm so frustrated a tautology it's a it's a it's a not tautology okay dread oh i'm sorry george brown love for you love for you to weigh in let's see i'm gonna get you on units there you are go for it hopefully christian can you hear me yeah well um you know to return to the person who's trying to convert me to christianity my first order of business is if you want me to convert me to christianity the first thing you have to do is gain my respect interesting okay okay and then we can talk so the first thing is i think you guys are hypocrites right off the bed because you say tell me that jesus's love or god is love and then you're beating on everybody who is different than you i can't respect that what kind of love is that so you know what's funny and i i look at this pamphlet that she gave me and i come from a jewish background and it's bad mouthing the jews for you know en masse for betraying jesus to the romans she's bad mouthing me i hear it i hear it larry and this has been used for centuries to murder and slaughter people just like me i hear how can i respect that how can you respect that larry yeah christians all you know they will all the time tell you that jesus told you to love your enemies you know so what george is saying is uh you know they say love your enemies but then they don't that's just hypocrisy though and and the first and i'm putting on my christian hat here okay they'll come back and and say uh you know jesus obviously told you to love your enemies but then what they don't realize is in look 1426 he tells you to hate your family as if any man come to me and hate not his father and mother or wife or children or brethren or sister yeah even his own life he cannot be my disciple so love your enemies and hate your family is the message that comes across here not not to make john uncomfortable because we do have a person from uk in the group but the crusades are quickly forgotten and a lot of people forget that that actually happened on multiple instances and to turn around and say love your enemy right after those series of campaigns is very bizarre and the inquisitions only ended at the beginning of the 1800s right so that wasn't that long ago john richards what's that well before i joined any religion you know i i want to fact check consumer advice so there's pros and cons to everything isn't there so what does pacifarianism offer i i think i know a bit about what christianity offers it's um you know you go to heaven if you're good and you go to hell if you're naughty i'm not sure i like that but does pacifarian offer a better deal yes so we have a beer volcano and we have a stripper factory that is the pacifarian heaven and it's all gender accepted stripper factories absolutely yes well paid very well maintained everything and it's not about the exploitation of people it's the celebration of the human body will it celebration of the human body thank you yes find me up they got little two circles and everything it's like it's pretty classy for a stripper place it's very free or something like that yeah well i was just going to say that um you know if you've got uh if you've got to use faith to believe in your religion and every religion uses faith to you know believe that their religion is true why would you pick something with such a you know such a terrible hell i mean i would choose something like pacifarianism that has a good heaven and a good hell or not not the great hell well the beer the beer is stale the beer is stale in the in the pacifarian hell so yeah but why would somebody pick a religion that burns you forever if you don't do what it says i know why not pick one though it's a nicer version of hell i'll tell you this if the people who believe that there is a heaven if those are the kinds of people that go to heaven i'd rather not spend my time with them because yeah particularly that is one of the worst people in the world but i also say this larry you're touching something really great if uh buddhists i'm sorry if many various different people believers and they're different gods all are using faith to get there it's not so much a question of why believe in a bad hell by choice or whatever it's more of like what does that say about faith as a reliable way to come to a accurate conclusion and if anything we should walk away with the idea that faith is not a reliable way to come to a conclusion and any being that the man's faith from you is demanding an unreliable test to establish that they are in fact there it's basically asking you to stop asking the questions this is just take what i tell you on faith take what i say is truth you know whether it um warrants it or not you know whether or not i give you every red flag in your brain you're you're not working hard enough if you're not cleaning up the red flags you're not working hard enough you're not thinking about it dread it sound like you got something on your mind real quick no no i'm in total agreement i've just had a thought he had a thought then we go to christin what's up well if we could find out where christopher hitchens went that's the place i'd like to go i'd like to spend time with him yes that would be that would be awesome and i'm sure he's hanging out at the beer volcano as we speak okay so we had um uh dula who's in who's just uh uh spectating for now just let you guys know christin if you can hear me i uh give me a beep are you still walking your dots he is she's still got her mic muted there we go christin you can hear us yes can you hear me yeah so you said you had christmas growing up i'm wondering did you ever use faith at all even in oh absolutely zero no i mean as i was saying we were in no way shape or form you know and indoctrinated period did you ever have did you ever have a belief in something that you couldn't demonstrate actually existed absolutely not no never i just was never uh no invisible friends yeah like not even santa claus not even visible friends or anything like that or like what is string theory yeah well maybe as a child i like my raggedy and all okay okay at least you can hold it it was there yeah that's true that's true well that's very learned but yeah i think george would have a point there is a very much as versus the mentality that comes with christianity that i find to be toxic and and harmful to a lot of different groups if not history has demonstrated that to be the case even black people have a problem i don't want to get on that sure george what's up get us back on to our next topic well i mean i i feel an affinity with christin and and respect because uh you know i hear christin's southern accent which i don't have you know you can hear yes you do george you totally got one now well i think it was probably easier for me to be an atheist in new york city than for christian to be an atheist in the bible belt is what i'm projecting on to her huh she agrees oh i agree totally where did you grow up christ and i'm very curious so could you hear me christin she was on mute there for a second the sal oh okay i was just wondering where in the south george would you mind telling me your social security number while while i'm fascinated clearly the person who doesn't want to show their face doesn't want to also give their address oh okay even you have given us that conversation multiple times so i look at this um you know if you were you are always worried about not necessarily worried but you have clear reason to be concerned with the degree of surveillance that's going on by large corporate interests right what if you had a god that essentially knows everything about you and as long as all and completely secure completely you know no one's breaking into god's account right because we can't even find god right here's a being that you can trust with all your information now you finally have a big brother that you can believe in isn't that better yeah basically yeah but it's just way bigger and also all powerful and knows everything you're about to do to even when you're living or dead and listen we'll hold all your secrets completely unless we need to tell them to a pastor and then at that point then the pastor knows too but isn't that great why aren't you a christian now you can respect that system can't you no he hasn't he hasn't earned my respect at all okay okay and i can imagine that's a long way running all right all right that's fair they can't reinsert my body to the matrix so i i'm just i'm out i can't go back i've got a you got a precondition to earning your respect he doesn't show up you can't earn your respect if he doesn't show up as i feel like i feel like we got the topic all the way done how about we go into some listener comments let's go poison frog says hey i love the conversation you guys are having from last week's episode please keep up the good work and i appreciate you having a canadian on here from time to time bc represent so some love from there all right now it's from poison frog thank you very much for the comment thank you also quality dh says hey there's a where's the audience for all this content solid production and you guys are interesting people is it predominantly engaged with somewhere outside of youtube feels like i'd really enjoy having a drink with you folks and so we are simultaneously broadcasting on i guess our individual channels will do plugs for them but we also have a podcast that we we plug in between each half and you can find it on digital free thought radio on stitchy.com thank you guys so much for the comments let's try to pick a i'm going to i'm going to take a gamble here and pick a long one see if it doesn't give us oh no isn't it a waste of time to discuss whether or not god exists and that is from Lazarus Jones and that's from last last week's episode so the idea that you know we come together and it sounds like we're chastising god to an extent we are but like we don't really have a valid target to target anyway but is it a waste of our time to do this guys dred pyre what's up i just wanted to give a acknowledge uh the watchers here on the live stream youtube lo ma and god us trading room are both on so hello guys so what does Lazarus think then what does he think it's a waste of time is he certain that god exists or is he certain that god doesn't exist i he's certain that it's a waste of our time okay let's go on but larry what's up if it's a way we're all gonna run in hell okay larry go for it larry if it's a waste of my time then i'm wasting an awful lot of my time hey that's what i started with imagine how much time you would save no no the thing that is it's not so much the belief in god itself is bad or uh requires our attention it's what the actions of the believers who believe in god you know they do an awful lot of harm in the world and they have for thousands of years all right and invite people to go to my blog and read what's so wrong with religion anyway blog blog article it goes into all the different things that the religion uh troubles and and harm that religion has done to the world over time um and particularly that uh listener or commenter is welcome to go to my blog and read that article so it's i was on a long drive from national last night and every single time i'm on the road especially at night i'm always concerned because there's always going to be one driver from national back to my home that's just crazy and that starts telling me some weird cutting off and in the same aspect that it's not like i care about uh complaining about religion every day it's more of like i'm trying to advocate for higher levels of critical thinking in the same way that i would advocate for driving safety or road safety because i'm not so much complaining about oh you gotta stick to the speed limit it's more of like i'm trying to educate the people who aren't following the rules that there's consequences for their action and it could be harmful to me dramatically if if they were to do something that could ultimately to a devastating consequence for both of us both on the road or with how they think and how they vote or how they raise their children or how they act and behave or what they support in society it all has impacts on everybody right so i'm do these kinds of shows just to broadcast that there's a there's a interested uh disinterested party in your religious views and in as much respectful way as possible i'm simply asking that you apply some critical thought to what you well so i believe i'm duela you came in what's up you went from a spectator to actual joining on the show duela it's always good to have you on we're nearing the end of the show uh we're talking today about the idea of why you should become a christian and i feel like uh i don't know i feel like we're ready for our final points and some final floods so john richards what's your final points why should you become a christian what what do you feel about that well i don't think a very strong case has been made and i'm leaning towards the bf volcano we'll make room we'll make sure fire it jared fire it final words uh well i i i like passivarianism there i just find no compelling reason to switch uh switch horses at this point um can i plug my channel absolutely all right so you can find me on youtube i live stream this at eight a.m pacific standard time my channel is mind pirate m-i-n-d-p-y-r-a-t-e and we'd love to see you on thanks and leave a comment and tell me also about the six posts on channel yes yeah so uh that will be coming up soon i'm going to be doing my first show to commemorate 100 subscribers to my channel and i will be discussing in layman's terms the uh the import of the higgs boson and what it means to us very cool now import in canadian terms mean the importance yeah that too very cool very british i love it very rich what's the boson we'll talk about it when we have more time george iphone christin do you have any last word that's a given or pause okay well we appreciate having you on the show christin thank you so much for coming by uh duela you're going to join us in the after party i'm super excited being able to talk to you again uh my last words is hey god you can come out i'm totally fine with it i mean you don't have to stop hiding it's it's totally cool if you do i won't be able to use faith to get to you anymore but i don't value faith as a reliable way to come to conclusions anyway and you shouldn't demand that from people to believe in someone who is allegedly as great as you so deal with it otherwise because i'm not gonna i'm not gonna lower my standard of evidence just to appease you meet me at least on my level if you created right first place show up larry best hide-and-seek champion of the world though i'll get a trophy one day larry what's up oh not a lot um those who are interested in my blog i mentioned earlier can find it at digital free thought dot com be sure to click on the blog a button for a radio show archives atheists songs and many articles on the subject of atheism i have a book out um it's called atheism what's it all about it's available on amazon and my youtube channel can be found by searching for larry roads or doubt or five if you're having trouble leaving religious beliefs behind you can get help at recovering from religion dot org if you have any questions for the show you can send them to ask an atheist at noxvilleatheist.org or let's chat s e at gmail.com thank you for joining us on the digital free thought radio hour remember you can find this show on apple itunes pocketcast amazon and podcasts everywhere just search for digital free thought radio hour if you're watching this on youtube be sure to like and subscribe remember everybody is going to somebody else's hell the time to worry about it is when they prove that heavens and hells and souls are real until then don't sweat it enjoy your life and we'll see you next week say bye everybody