 The Mac Observers' MacGeekGab Episode 893 for Monday, October 4th, 2021. And welcome to the Mac Observers' MacGeekGab, the show where you send in your questions, your tips, your cool stuff found. We take all of those things. We mash them together. We form an agenda. This is a laborious process, folks. We argue about it. We focus on it. We spend a lot of time. And then sometimes we just throw it away in a moment because we start heading down tangents. But the idea with that agenda and the tangents and really everything we do, the holistic idea is that each and every one of us learns at least five new things. Every single time we get together, sponsors for this episode include TextExpander. Yeah, where you get 20% off at TextExpander.com slash podcast and Upstart, where at Upstart.com slash MGG, you can start getting your debt under control. They do it in a really cool way and they look at, speaking of holistic, they look at all of you, not just one slice of you. So we'll talk more in detail about those things in a minute here. For now, here in Durham, New Hampshire, I'm Dave Hamilton. And here in Fairfield, Connecticut. Rather chilly Fairfield, Connecticut. This is John F. Brown. Yeah, fall is here. We got that crisp air. I like it. It's good sleeping weather. It's good. He went on last night. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yep. I got to make sure all those things are off the radiators and, you know, all those things at this point. It's that time of the year. This is also the time of the year when my entire sweatshirt collection moves from my house to my office because I'll put on a sweatshirt or a sweater in the morning. Come over. It warms up during the day. I take it off. I go back to the house at night and then boom, all of a sudden, everything is here. But, you know, that's just how things go. I had a question for all of you. Are John and I the only ones that routinely go and take a sip from our beverage of choice every time we play the theme music on this show? Because it's like, I hear that theme music and, you know, I just, I need to, I need to take a sip. I hear that. It's like, Oh, God, wait, where's my tea? Got to find my tea. So you can join us for a sip in that at any time, but know that when the music's playing, it's time for us to all enjoy our beverage. My shtick. Hang on. Now I got to have it because it's like Pavlovian. I heard the music. I had to drink. And my favorite thing is, you know, we do our pre-show and then right before we hit record, we both go and we manage our hydration. And one part of that is that we get our our beverage of choice for the show. And for me, it's usually almost always something hot, John. And I like to wait to have the first sip of that hot tea, usually tea for when the music plays so that I get that like that that sensation of like, Ah, yes, like lubricating my throat and all that good stuff. I don't know. It's just a thing. We have our things. We all have our things. I don't know. Join us in those steps. Hey, also join us if you would please and and go fill out our Mackie Cub listener survey. It's at Mackie Cub dot com slash survey. There are two two reasons for doing it. One is so that we can learn more about you in aggregate. We don't share any of your private information. Not that we collect your private information, but if we did anything you share with us is individually not shared, but we aggregate it together and it gives us a picture of who you are. And that helps us with our sponsors, which obviously helps keep the show going. So that's good. And then there's a second part, though, where there's a few questions where we are literally asking you what you like about the show, what you'd like to see differently, what you'd like to see more of, what you'd like to see less of, you know. And so like, like it really is to help us in many ways. Go check it out. And you qualify to win one of many $50 Amazon gift cards. So yeah. All right. That's what I got there. What do you got, Mr. Braun? Anything? Not yet. OK. I know you will have stuff because it's it's how these shows work. I learned something over the weekend, John. I was setting up my old iMac 2014 retina iMac. So OG retina iMac 27 inch. It runs Big Sur. It will not run Monterey, at least not according to Apple, but but still runs Big Sur. It's the one that my M1 Mini replaced, the one that I traded for that domain back in the spring or whatever. And it's been sitting on my floor driving me crazy that it's just sitting there doing nothing. No one in my house needs it. But I found out my brother and needed one for the household. So it's like perfect. So I wanted to I had not done anything with it. So it was time to format it. And then, of course, you know, get it up to Big Sur. I made the error of doing that the wrong way and couldn't reinstall Big Sur from the recovery partition. The recovery partition wanted to do internet recovery, which wanted to put Yosemite on there. And I was like, no, don't want to head down that path. So I decided to make a bootable installer using Apple's create install media command that's inside of Big Sur. The closest computer I had to me at the time was that M1 Mini. Now, I do have Intel Max. I've got one here in the studio. I've got one, you know, over at the house, of course. But I wanted to see what happens if I do create install media with Big Sur as downloaded on an M1. And so I did that. And sure enough, it booted up that Intel Mac just fine. And the install worked. So it is a universal installer that create install media from Apple creates. And I like I said, I proved that by necessity on whatever was Saturday or Sunday or something. So another piece of advice with that. Stop using thumb drives for those installers. What all I did was I created it has to be HFS plus because of the way that works. So fine. But I just took a, you know, an SSD that like a USB C based because I kind of wanted it to be not just Thunderbolt. So I took a USB C SSD, you know, one of these that does, you know, 500 megabytes a second or something, a fast, fast enough drive. And that I added a HFS plus partition to it, which you can easily do with disc utility. And I did like a 20 gig partition, John, which I think was enough like the installer was 12 gigs. So I figured all right, 20 buys me some room down the road, maybe. And and I put the I pointed that at create install media. And and that worked great. So much faster than fighting with a, you know, thumb drive that's going to go slow as molasses. So so that's that's all my advice. And when I say create install media, I mean, Apple has baked a way of using their installer from the terminal to create a boot disk of that. So you can just do it right there. So and the command is all one word. Create install media. So we'll put a link in the show notes to Apple's support article that explains all that. Yeah. Good stuff. I was glad it worked. Like, cool. You don't have to reinvent the wheel. Anything on that? Or is it time to move on to other people's quick tips? I'm glad they added that. They had that quite a while ago, but it was in the past, you would have to jump through a couple of hoops to make a bootable installer. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Works great. Works great. So we were talking in the last episode, John, about iOS 15s, the focus that's in iOS 15 and then coming of course to Mac OS and all that stuff. We were talking about it for minimizing distraction and disruptions and, you know, only like allowing filtering through the right notifications and those sorts of things. Listener Ed wrote in and says, one of the really slick features of focus that I haven't seen many people talking about is its custom pages option. This, for me, is more useful than the notification granularity. He says, I've been using it to organize all my apps that I used to have in folders back into full pages again. Since I ran into this feature, I've created custom focuses for things like, say, my streaming viewing shortcuts, for instance, so I can launch and control things on my Apple TV. He says I've also created custom focuses for music production, media editing, photo editing, et cetera. I used to have a ton of individual folders organized this way, but now I've moved back to full pages of apps and organized my focuses to have different app and widget templates for different uses. But here's where it gets wicked cool, he says. He's sound like my neighbors. I don't know if it's from Massachusetts, but that's a Massachusetts thing for sure. I've also created shortcuts, which can be launched either via Siri or the shortcut buttons in a widget for my different focuses. Now if I want to watch entertainment, all my streaming service apps come up on my homepage and my million other non-related apps and their pages are hidden. I have another shortcut for photo editing and all my photo apps like Procreate and Pixelmator and the endless GIF editing apps all come up on the home screen. And a second page if they don't fit on one. Got one for music production, as he said before. Yeah, what a great use of focus. Thank you for sharing that. I don't think I would have thought of that. You know, it's so easy to, it's so easy. We find this even when answering your questions. We had one this week where it was like, we think this is a bug. And it was like, yep, must be a bug. It was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, I don't think it's a bug. You know, and it, you know, it's so easy to just get stuck on that train. And what Apple has been telling us about these focus trains is that it's all about minimizing distractions. And I suppose what Ed just described is could be related to minimizing distractions, but it's, you know, it's just about presenting you the things that you need. So yeah, very good. Have you messed with focus yet, John? I'll have to create a task to remind me to look at it. There you go. I like it. All right. You want to take us to Scott? Scott, yes, Scott has wanted to tell us about a Safari tab groups, which as you know, is something new in the latest version of Safari. And he says, I love them. I used to have multiple Safari windows open where each was a theme I used and each window had a corresponding bookmark group. So I could easily open that group whenever things got messed up. Now I have each of these groups set up as a tab group and it is so much better. The fact that these are now dynamic and available across devices is just a great bonus. So thank you, Scott. Oh yeah. I need to get into tab groups. I have a feeling once I start using them, they will become one of those invaluable things to me, but I have not yet begun to incorporate them. I haven't even attempted. So, you know, to be fair, I mean, I've messed with it a little bit, but I just I need to find some workflows where it's like, ah, yeah, that when I'm doing this thing, I want these tabs and I'm doing this thing. I want these tabs and I already have some ideas about how that could really help. So yeah, good stuff. Thank you, sir. Jeremy. All right. So this one's a little, um, a little niche, but it's kind of cool and it's worth trying on all your devices. Jeremy says I just accidentally ran across a feature in mail in Big Sur that I am so happy about I had to share. In the messages list, you can swipe left or right for different actions, mark, unread, delete, just like on iOS. That doesn't work so well if you are using a traditional mouse. It works great on a trackpad, of course. He says I have a Logitech MX Master 3 with a horizontal scroll wheel and I just happened to hit it while moving over a message. Much to my surprise, the message slide to the side showed the swipe option. It, uh, it seemed to be reverse direction for the scrolling, at least in my mind. But oh my goodness, what a nice thing he says this is to have. I don't know if other mice with sideways scroll wheels will do this, but definitely wanted to share the finding. Yeah, if you've got, uh, my, you know, my guess is that the answer is yes. If it, if the sideways scroll wheel translates to macOS in whatever way it could, be it a trackpad, a trackball, or, you know, like the magic mouse where you can, you know, sort of trackpad yourself on top of it for the scrolling and all that. I think, yeah, I see no reason why that wouldn't work. Yeah, it's good. Very cool. It doesn't work with my device. Oh no. Program it. Well, this, um, this trackball has a ball, but it also has a wheel on the outside and that can be used in some programs to scroll up and down. Right, right. Right. Like we just discussed, but, um, but it looks like, yeah, it's not getting it. Got it. I'll have to figure out how to see if I can engineer that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Well, good luck. Let us know how you do. Listener Robert says, I wanted to send this tip over in case it hasn't been covered and it has not. If you are trading in an iPhone or Apple device that still has Apple Care Plus on it, you can get a prorated refund on the unused portion when trading it in to Apple. He says, I traded in my iPhone 12 Pro Max for 790 bucks. Plus I called Apple and asked for a refund on the Apple Care Plus that wasn't about to expire until November of 22. I got another $118 for that, which made the trade in even better. Normally I would just sell the phone on eBay and include the Apple Care, which helps the selling price, but the Apple deal was pretty good this year. Hope this helps. Yeah, I've always aired toward the side of using eBay for devices that have Apple Care for exactly that reason. Cause you know, otherwise you're not getting it back. If you just trade it in, you know, it's handing it off to the next person. But Apple, it seems, will take it back from you if you're trading it into them. So them. So yeah, I like that. That's pretty good. Pretty good. All right, John. What do you got? Nothing at the moment, but Tony has something. PC Unix he likes to be called. Yes. When using car play, I'll often say something like tell my wife and my daughter, whatever I need to say. But sometimes I'll forget to add my daughter today when I did that after. You know who? S lady read back my message. I said add my daughter into my surprise and delight. Better than shock and awe. She did. That's pretty cool. I've never tried that. I've canceled messages when I've done that. I like I have to mess with this. You know, I have a question and I think I know I could try to Google for this. But with Siri in the car, I am often wanting to reply with emoji and try as I might while I am replying with Siri. I have not been able to get it to invoke emoji. Anything I do just like winds up typing out the word emoji happy face or whatever it is I'm trying to do. Can somebody tell me how to do that? I like the only time I think about it is when I'm in the car and obviously I'm not going to be Googling while I'm in the car. And then the only other time I've ever thought about it is right here after you mentioned Siri and car play, John. So it does anybody know like it's not it's not specific to car play. So, so there you go. I don't know. Do you know how to do it, John? No, I don't really use her that often, right? I don't for text messages. The car is the place where I use Siri. Otherwise, I mean, obviously, right? It's in the car, so it's it works out great, especially with car play. It's a it's a great interface the way that that just flows. So, yeah, all right. Well, hopefully somebody will have that answer. I was kind of hoping it might just magically have appeared in the chat room by now, John, but it has not. All right, Chuck. Well, Chuck and Gaz have quick tips from the last episode about the same thing. Chuck said in the last episode, you folks learned about selecting a file from the spotlight list and then holding down the command key to see the path. Well, if you hold down the command key and double click to open the file, John, he says it will open the containing folder instead. He says I use this all the time because sometimes I'm not only looking for a file, but where the heck did I file it? Yeah, that's very good. I like that, Chuck. And then Gaz also shared for from the same tip and question. He says I was shouting at my phone while listening, not because you got anything wrong, but quite a while ago, I did the command key click when doing a search and spotlight. And the reason I was shouting was if you press command and shift and then open the file you're looking at rather than the file opening, it opens the location of that file in the finder. So you can do it with the mouse as Chuck said or without the mouse as Gaz said. So I like it. Command and shift. It's handy. Very cool stuff, guys. Thank you very much. Yeah. It's pretty good, right? That's a lot of quick tips, man. A lot of quick tips for one week. I remember at the 20, not quite the 20-minute mark. It was time for more tea before we go into cool stuff found. All right. Right? Good. Yeah. Time to move into cool stuff found. Corey kicks us off into cool stuff found this week. He says I found this app and started playing with it. It is called quick scan. It's got a very simple but nice UI and it scans documents and does OCR and then can file them away automatically. He says it's similar to the scanning feature built into iOS but way easier to access in my opinion. He says I'm always wondering do I go to notes or do I go to files and do I have to press and hold a folder or something or maybe it's in a shortcut. I never remember. And this app, quick scan is free. So you can download it and mess with it. And thanks for that, Corey. Great stuff. We love things like that. It's great. Do you do scanning on iPhone, John? Not really. I recently had a bunch of tax documents I had to scan and send because, you know, October 15th is coming up. So it's that time of the year for those of us who are on the delayed plan. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. No, I use Fujitsu scan snap. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a small document scanner. I recommend try iOS is like scanning even in the files app. And it is, it's easier to find out on iOS 15. It's just get to whatever folder you want. Go to the three dots in the upper right. And that's, that's where you can choose to scan. I have a, my printer actually has a sheet feeder and everything to do scanning. It's awesome. But when I'm sitting at my desk and I need to scan like a one or two page thing quickly, I'll do it with my phone. And, you know, it works phenomenally well. I encourage everybody to try it, A, just so you know, but and just have the familiarity with it. But B, you might find yourself, you know, using it a whole lot more often. You know, once it's like anything, you know, you go through the process once and it's like, okay, now this is, now I have this skill in my toolbox and you wind up using it and thinking about it. So, yeah. Speaking of skills in your toolbox, Cloudflare this week added, or last week I should say, added email routing for anyone that has used Cloudflare to be their domain registrar. And especially if you're using them also for either you're hosting or you're caching, you know, I mean, I guess you wouldn't be hosting with them, but you'd be caching with them. One frustrating part of say moving from GoDaddy to Cloudflare is that GoDaddy had email routing and Cloudflare did not. So, if you moved to Cloudflare, you still had to then go find an email provider, even if all you wanted to do was just take your emails and forward them somewhere else. Well, no longer. Cloudflare now has email routing and you can do all sorts of those things with forwarding and catch all or not catch all. And you don't need to keep an eye on additional mailboxes and all that stuff. They have a whole email security DNS wizard that will help you like lock things down so that you're creating the right SPF and DKIM records and all that stuff that you don't even want to have to worry about and they worry about it for you. So, Cloudflare, they're stepping up their game. I've moved a lot of our domains into Cloudflare. Mackeykev.com is there. Macconserver.com is there. Their registrar services are super inexpensive, especially for renewals as compared to everybody else. And they make it super easy to manage your domain. So, I've come to like them for that. So, yeah, it's good. Okay. So, what you're saying is they didn't offer email before. They still don't offer email. They offer email forwarding or as they call it, routing. Yeah. Okay. All right. I'm not familiar with that term. Okay. Forwarding. Got it. It's forwarding. Right. Exactly. Yeah. No. They don't have mail boxes or anything, but they will now route your mail, which is great. Like, that's huge. You know, that plus like fast mail, and now you're in good shape. So, I've been loving fast mail. Fast mail. Boy, easy for me to say. John, speaking of easy for me to say, you want to take the next one? Ah, yes. Vladi has a good one here. Easy for you to say. Not really. Excuse me. I just wanted to share some cool stuff I discovered in iOS 15. I've been using it since it was launched earlier this week. There's a lot of hype about live text, speaking of OCR. I think it's a really cool feature. And all the demos I've watched people open the camera app, point to some text, then they press the live text icon on the lower right. Then they copy the text to the clipboard, switch the app they want to use, switch the app they want to use the text in and finally paste it. There's a lot of steps. I just found out that in any text field, you can tap and hold where you want to insert the text and next to the copy, paste, and cut buttons, there's a little icon, which I guess is the live text icon. If you select that icon, the keyboard becomes a viewfinder and if there is text on it, you can press the insert button on it to use that text. Another nice thing I noticed now in the Find My app, is probably the location of someone live. On previous versions, the locations were somewhat static. Cool? Yeah, I noticed that. I hadn't actually tried it, but I noticed when iOS 15 was, after it was installed, I was like, oh, there's something new. When I hold down to fiddle with my text, I just never tried it. Now I know what it's for. That's amazing. I just did it now. I had not done that yet. Wow. It works great and it's right there. Like Blotty says, you don't have to start where you want it to end, I guess is the right way to say it. Start at the end. Start at the end. Yeah, exactly. I start at the beginning like everybody else. Yeah, the beginning is such a, I don't know, it's a boring place to start. It's better to start where you want to end up, then you tell yourself how to get there. Yeah, and he is right in Find My. So next to people now, and I verified this, I don't have many people in my Find My. I only have two actually, and you're one of them, Dave. Uh-oh, I'm being stalked. But now next to it, it says live. And I'm like, okay. I guess what they did is update the frequency at which they ping you. Yeah, I think that's probably right. Yeah, that's right. Oh yeah, because I can see where my son is live right now, which is creepy, but yep. And I would, I am not surprised by his location. Let me put it that way. So yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. And it looks like my daughter has also updated her phone to iOS 15 because hers says live now too. So there you go. Yeah, I like that. So that's pretty cool. All right, cool. What a way to waste your family and friends' batteries, right? Because if you're looking at that live view, I assume it's that their phone is like GPSing and updating far more regularly. So, you know, we could waste each other's batteries, John. And really, like anytime I'm having battery problems, if you just left your phone open on live for me for like four hours, it would totally screw with all my troubleshooting. That would be great. That'd be great. All right. We're having too much fun here. Ben is going to help us. Oh, yeah. Ben says something very tiny. Hang on. I got to zoom this in. What did Ben say? I know what he talked about. He says, oh, yeah, I know you were talking recently about replacements for your Harmony Universal Remote. I saw the Sofa Baton Universal Remote on Kickstarter and thought of you. Of course, the, you know, usual caveats relating to Kickstarter project supply, aka it might not happen. And if it does, it's probably going to be later on arrival than you think. I don't say that specifically about Sofa Baton. I couldn't say that about them. I don't know anything about them. But I know about pretty much every other Kickstarter I've ever taken part in, especially popular ones. And that's actually an important thing to remember. You know, a lot of times these Kickstarter's, if they beat their goal by like 10x, their goal, like presumably, if they were responsible, they figured out, okay, what's it going to take to build, you know, whatever, a thousand of these units? And okay, so I, you know, I have to contract with a, you know, a factory or whatever. I've got that figured out. I know what it's going to cost. Okay, how much profit do I need to make? Yada, yada. You know, you do the numbers, put it together, put your Kickstarter out there. When that thousand changes into 10,000, you need a different factory. You need to probably think about changing the way you're producing them. Like, it's a whole different thing. And that can actually slow things down as you might imagine. So, you know, that's how Kickstarter's go, especially the popular ones. So, fun stuff though. I took a look at this. It looks a lot like the Harmony Remote with a hub kind of thing. It's similar to that whole concept. So, yeah. All right. Any thoughts on that, John? No. Okay. We have one more cool stuff found from one of you. And then I have some show and tell to do. So, let's do Martin's cool stuff found. And then, oh, we get to tell you about our sponsors. And then we get to tell you about more cool stuff found. Sound like a deal? All right. Deal. All right. Martin shares with us, he had another tip from Gary Rosenzweig over at MacMost. He says, I was getting very annoyed with trying to print reminders on Catalina, but I found a great way with a script from Gary over at MacMost. And he even shows it off in his YouTube channel. We put a link to all of that here in the show notes at mackeekyub.com. Again, as always, you can go to mackeekyub.com and sign up to get our show notes delivered right to your email box. It's pretty awesome. Thank you for sharing that, Martin. It's great stuff. All right, John. If it's all the same to you, I'd like to talk about our two sponsors now. Okay. All right. Hey, listen, if you're carrying a credit card balance month after month, you know, that can feel like you're in a never-ending cycle of debt, right? Our sponsor, Upstart, can help you make that final payment so you can get ahead. Upstart is the fast and easy way to pay off your debt with a personal loan and it's all done online. So whether it's paying off credit cards or consolidating other high-interest debt or even funding personal expenses, you know, like maybe you need a new Ness or maybe you need a new roof on your house or something like that. I don't know. 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For those that have been watching when I pulled up my iPhone before, a few of you asked about what you saw because you saw as possible. So this is there have been companies over the years that have made leather cases for iPhones, Apple being one of them. It's not easy though to be able to mass produce leather cases consistently and only a few companies have really succeeded and Mujo are the ones featured today, M-U-J-J-O. I've got this leather case on my iPhone 13 mini which we'll talk about because we haven't really talked about the minis that I got last week on this show and it fits around it. It protects it. It's nice to the touch. They also make one that I don't have right here with a wallet so you can put two to three cards in there. I've got one of those on my wife. The reason I don't have it to show you is because my wife's not home and she has it on her iPhone 13 Pro. They've done a really nice job with it and it stops on easy and stays on very well. Really kind of nice thing. It will charge Qi through it, no problem. MagSafe charges through it but doesn't, like it does with most cases, doesn't really hold the what you call it, the magnet doesn't actually hold the phone up through this case just like most cases. It's not really built for MagSafe. If you want a case that is built for MagSafe specs it's like a Cidio clear, perfect clear I guess they call it. Now has magnets built in and other cases of theirs do too but you can see, in fact hold it around. It's obvious on the clear case that there are magnets there. There's a ring that MagSafe would pop right onto but it kind of looks nice and it frames around the apple on the back of your phone. The case I'm holding up is too big of a phone mini but you can kind of get a feel for how it might work and those sorts of things. I like where people are going. What does that so I have the regular clear case on my 12 and MagSafe works through it so what is the benefit of this case? Well I'm thinking that when you say that MagSafe works through it, you mean MagSafe charging works through it. Right, so something that we need to hold the phone up with MagSafe and actually rely on the magnet to hold to the phone might not work with that case. That's been my experience and the other nice part is it really locks it in so it makes it easy to pop the MagSafe on. For example there are a couple of MagSafe things that I have to talk about. One is the Belkin Boost Charge Pro. This is a this is their 2-in-1 they also make a 3-in-1. The 2-in-1 has a MagSafe stand for your phone and then in the base is another Cheapad that will charge it's built for your AirPods. It's got kind of a little pocket there and so I will stop moving things around if you're looking but it's a nice it's a very minimalist looking stand that just holds MagSafe and you're good to go. It holds the phone up and fine. I'm sure if I have my phone out of its case right now I'm sure if I put that in fact I've tested it I know if I put that Mujo case on it would charge through the MagSafe but it will not hold like it does here but it holds fine this way or if I had a MagSafe case it would work great. It just plugs in with one cable and that's the that's the Belkin Boost Charge Pro for 99 bucks. Pretty cool, huh? While we're on the MagSafe bandwagon here I got one more MagSafe thing John actually I have a few of them. The folks at my charge they've done something really cool with what they call their MagLock Battery Packs so they make three of them. I have two in front of me here they make a 3,000 mAh a 6,000 mAh and a 9,000 mAh and they're MagSafe little battery packs. They're about the size of a pack of cards you know so they're smaller than your phone in other words they fit under the camera bump and what's great is you know you take this little battery pack and you put it on the back of your phone and if you heard that little noise that's the little noise that says it started charging and it holds onto the phone no problem I'm having trouble with my hand holding it up and I almost did an emergency call or medical ID thing but because it's hard to you know find a way to hold it but it you know it fits right on the back of the phone it would fit on a MagSafe case and now you've got an easy way to put a charging pack on your phone without having to have plugs in your bag or anything like that the magnets say that they will hold two and a half times the weight of an iPhone 12 and it works with the 12 and the 13 it's not just limited but you know I'm here holding up the 6000 mAh with my phone and the only thing that's struggling is my hand so or my fingers trying to just hold the edge without holding the thing but you know it starts charging immediately and obviously you know a 6000 mAh and 9000 mAh battery pack it's crazy but even the 3000 mAh what a perfect little thing to have and you just put it on your phone and you're good to go so I like where things are going with MagSafe John and I like that case vendors are making cases that are like truly built to support MagSafe in the full way because you know like you were saying you can charge with it but it doesn't hold and that's not such a good thing so yeah so also there it comes in not one not two but you have a choice of five different colors with the my charge thing is that right yes okay yeah I actually requested a blue 9001 and I think they swapped out what they originally had in there just to make me happy oh nice my phone is blue right well this is the blue 6000 so I don't the 9000 is still downstairs I figured that's just too much but yeah no and the 9000 it's just they get thicker on the back of your phone as you might imagine so the 3000 is the one that you'd want to carry around with you if you're a pocket person you know but in your bag or something the six of the nine might work and they also from what I can tell they kind of support pass through do they plug a cable into the battery pack it'll pass through and charge the phone as well correct that's right when you said pass through I thought you meant Qi pass through and I'm like I tried it it wouldn't charge with Qi okay yeah the bad news is that unlike Apple's product you do not get an additional icon in a control center if you if you do the what I call pass through in control center with Apple's product you'll see two gauges one for the phone and one for the battery pack right with their battery pack isn't smart I don't think they have the magic inside to do that but it charges right right yeah you just and I think the other thing that they mention is in theory you can use it as power delivery to power something like your computer I think I read I think it only does 10 watts or so so it's not a lot of juice but well that wouldn't power your computer your Macs need at least 30 watts to power them but power delivery out the USB C port I didn't realize that that port was bi-directional that is cool yeah yeah I think I read the press kit I'm sure you I'm sure you did better than I did well it says something on there and so I was going to use the you know you folks know about in you can add it to control center but it's there by default the magnifying glass which is for those of us that recently recently recently celebrated milestone birthdays if you if I can get this to focus it will show me what's going on I can't get it to focus all right well it's not going to happen because we have a show to do and this thing is busy so but I believe you I was just going to see what it said on on those so you can hear the the batteries when they wait a minute John hang on hang on if I put this I sat this battery down the battery pack down on top of the other one and it made the I'm charging noise but I don't really I don't think it's cheap pass through I I don't think so okay that must have just been no I think it's like oh I see some magnets okay fair okay yeah yeah it's cool little product though I like I like I like I said I like where we're going with MagSafe so it's good and what I was talking about before so say you want to know the level of the battery of in the battery pack well there's no gauge but if you we probably notice this with yours Dave if you didn't if you press the little button the LED will give you a status so green that the one on the is orange the middle of the road so you need to get green orange or red means you're it's almost red's dead yeah so that yeah my my my 6000 is showing green so okay very cool but yeah I mean 9000 man I mean that that's several charge cycles for at least my phone the 12 mini yeah yeah yeah that's a lot yeah right yeah that's it's it's more than way more than one and even the 3000 milliamp hours way more than one on everything except like the iPhone pro max right I think yeah next up for me John Spauwer talking about charging is something from JBL that's called the charge it looks like a speaker because it is a speaker it's the JBL charge 5 the reason they call it the charge is because it has a usb port out of which you can plug a cable and charge your devices it's got a usb c port for inbound charging it is a portable speaker it's in the shape of pill speakers it's about the size of what I would call a large travel coffee mug and and has the sound to match so it's definitely bigger than the JBL flip but still kind of a perfect thing to throw in your car to have you know for the beach in the summer and all that good stuff or my daughter and now my niece have used these or things of similar sizes in their dorm rooms I just sent my niece one of these JBL charge 5s for her dorm room hopefully arriving today because I sent it to the wrong address first but a really good sound full sound and of course it it participates in what JBL calls their party boost where if you have multiple JBL speakers that support the party boost mode it will you can sync the sound amongst them it's bluetooth of course and you know all that all that good stuff that's and it sounds great the JBL they really to me they were the first ones to figure out how to make these kind of portable speakers sound full their base you know the resonators that they use are part of that it's all part of the magic it's 180 bucks on Amazon it's IP67 waterproof and like I said it charges out as well so you can you know charge your phone while you're you know while you're jamming out to the tunes yeah good right I like show and tell one last cool stuff found John and this is the third time we've mentioned this particular product this comes this time from Edward and he says I've been listening as usual to MGG but you folks brought up how you were and recently he's not I thought because we did how you were implementing some of your TV viewing specifically your cord cutting and Fubo and YouTube and all that stuff says I've recently cut the cord and one of the most useful apps and systems that I have discovered is channels DVR it runs on a number of platforms but it's really focused for Apple TV one of the cool features is it supports TV everywhere basically if you were subscribed TV everywhere is a is the service that if you like if you're a you know a cable or a Comcast subscriber or an Optimum subscriber or a YouTube subscriber or a Fubo subscriber you that's the service that allows you to log into things like CBS and NBC and ABC to watch the content that you could also get through your streaming platform or your your cable platform right it's that sort of universal login that's the service called TV everywhere TV E and he says it supports TV everywhere this channels DVR does to record shows for you and then you get to use its DVR for things and so I set this up yesterday John it also supports like HD home run if you've got one of those over-the-air antennas you can have multiple sources but I set this up yesterday it took about an hour and the idea is you set up a local DVR it can be on your Mac it can be on your Synology I did it on my Synology but there's lots of different options and that part went super fast like ridiculously fast and it's 80 bucks a year or 8 bucks a month but you get a one month free trial of the service and then I told that I have Fubo I turned on a few things and if you want to share my Safari screen John you and anybody who's watching can see how this works I will say that the web browser interface to this is by far the most simplistic of the interfaces the Apple TV one and the iPhone one and even the Android TV one all look fantastic and really work and so I've only got one day's worth of shows in mind because I just started yesterday but it works amazingly well and the interface is great my big complaint with Fubo is they have all the channels that I want and the interface is awful well I don't need to worry I will say Fubo's latest update for the Apple TV the interface has gotten usable that's as far as I'll go but it is usable it's tolerable but only for the Apple TV other platforms Fubo's not doing so well but but channels uses my Fubo content John but pulls it in and saves it to my DVR I think what they're doing with this John is essentially logging in this channels DVR as a web browser to each of these things and then just slurping the content and saving it but these things that you can see here I've got a Star Trek next generation episode that I recorded and this is saved on my disk station and what's great about this is I'm going to try and do this and keep my browser quiet you know how do I stop that so you're not seeing it but you know I don't know if you folks heard that sound or not but you know it jumping around in it because it's content that's on my server not on YouTube server I can jump around and it just jumps it's right there it does commercials like scanning so you can choose whether to skip commercials or not it's like the interface is just great it will let you just like it's kind of like setting up your own Tivo John you could do this too right you would just tell it about your optimum stuff and now boom you're good to go but what's cool is you can watch anywhere you're not just limited to watching when you're at home so you get to do whatever you want and then of course the files are yours because they're saved on your device so they're just files there's no copy protection or anything that's why I was going to ask is so is there a raw mp4 movie file that's right yeah in fact let's look at this I haven't looked at this yet how can they right so when it's kind of weird because with Tivo they can protect content if they want to and then you can't download it so I guess that's not the case with this how can they get away with that um because they're just slurping it down as though they're a web browser it's an mpg files that they that they that it saves but Plex will play these like I could point Plex at my tv folder in my channels library and it would just be like okay no problem you know let me um let me slurp down a file here from my from my distation of that Star Trek episode and I'll take a look at what the um what the the um what it says the you know what's the what's the format here so it's h.264 with AAC sound so yeah totally portable uh you do and do anything you want with it yep which is pretty cool man like it's a it's a make the the only thing in the last 24 hours it has worked flawlessly for me and the interface is so much better than either fubo or youtube tv like it's it's not the same as tivo but I have a feeling it would be the kind of thing where very quickly it would just be as natural as tivo for us right like just the way it works um assuming there's a lot of moving parts though that tv everywhere thing needs to keep working the I'm sure there's some cat and mouse game either intentionally or not as the you know each streaming channel you know changes their the way their web thing works they probably have to make adjustments to channels to keep up with that so if the platform is remains as stable as I've seen it for the last 24 hours and I mean this has been around for years but you know assuming that it's not this constant like oh sometimes it doesn't work sometimes it does work it's work great for me but um assuming that that's the case like this is this is the future man it's this is amazing it's like definitely how I'm gonna work with it my only complaint so far is that similar to tivo there are no profiles right so I can't say well have you know one for my son and one for my daughter it's like there's one library that everybody is um recording into but I did try watching a live there was like a football game last night so I was like well let's record that and we can experiment with it and I tried watching it from three different sources each at different points in the game while it was being recorded live and and it was like it did not get confused by that so each client is sort of autonomous in that way um it's pretty cool and it'll tell you what it's gonna record and you can say oh I don't you know I don't want the I don't want that football game in Spanish I wanted the English one so you know just like yeah man I'm stoked about this I'm you know like I said it's been 24 hours so I'm trying to temper my own excitement with what's gonna happen next but um but it's pretty cool so we will keep you posted and I know this is the third time we've mentioned this on the show two other people over the years have sent it in as a cool stuff found it just never made sense to me what it was kind of like sonos um is sort of how I feel right now like I know you've been trying to tell me about this now I finally understand I finally heard you so yeah it's pretty cool yeah I don't know quite how they're doing what they're doing but they have their support I had one issue I was just being stupid about something because I didn't know and I e-mailed their support and they were like oh do this it'll fix it and it like their support answered me in an hour and the forums are active with people that probably would have provided me an answer faster than that too so yeah it's pretty good thank you Edward for finally forcing me to see the light kicking and screaming I like it it comes from the same home as Plex that XBMC core that you know sort of was the foundation of all that stuff years ago I think that's where channels life started and speaking of Plex they say that they're working on doing something similar they got like you know 50 million worth of funding earlier this year and another round and so like they say that they're they're aiming to solve this problem I don't want to say that they're doing it in this way because I don't know but my guess is that you know I'm really as I've kept saying I'm really eager to see where we are you know September 1 of next year or October now it's October 1 but I'm still like September 1 where is Fubo where is YouTube TV where is you know direct TV stream and then where are Plex and channels and what's the right mix of all that stuff really what needs to happen is the um the continued uh fragmentation of streaming of content providers needs to happen so that things like live sports are no longer you know locked behind a Fubo or YouTube or Comcast or Optimum like why couldn't if I want to watch the Bruins why can't I just pay the NHL and have them and I know actually at some level with the NHL I can MLB is totally open like that where's the NFL and all this like they need to get on board and then all of this sort of you know then you get to do whatever you want so I don't know it's interesting I got my minis John mini what iPhone 13 mini and an iPad mini I yeah I you know there's we talked about the phones there's not much to say about the 13 mini other than it you know it's like sort of like the 12 mini but the cameras are bigger so and the lenses are bigger like that's for sure the iPad mini it's like an iPad pro mini it is the device I've wanted for a long time yes I know it is a little shorter in one dimension than the other iPad minis but man I like I'm I'm stoked with it it's everything we said it would be so for me which has been great so I don't know that I have much more to say about it unless you have any questions about them but you know well should we move on to questions speaking of we have some listeners that sent some in we and we have some time sure all right take us to Joe I'm not going to do that so yeah let's go let us go to Joe Joe we love Joe we think you want me to read Joe no I got it all right Joe says I think ever since I upgraded to 11.6 big sir my search and mail has not worked I cannot even get it to find an email from yesterday the day before yet when I go on to my email provider which is go daddy I can search and it comes up right away I googled for solutions and frankly and getting what I think is confusing information should I just click on rebuild and hope and pray that fixes it maybe last time I did a rebuild admittedly a couple of years ago on a since parted MacBook Pro laptop on an OS several versions ago I lost a bunch of mail but may that may have been because I was on I was using a pop server um I do tend to keep way too much in my inbox um like now I have a little one I have 94,000 emails in my inbox um I'm also still having problems with mail pretty regularly stopping communicating with the server go daddy on my main email address but continue to download emails on my secondary domain the only way I can get Mac email to read the first address is to quit mail and start it restart it if I leave the press file which I would assume which I presume will also wipe out my inbox well all those 94,000 messages again be accessible or do I risk losing them the alternative though of course is to copy all of the inbox to a new mailbox and maybe it'll recreate the inbox um alright we got a lot of stuff there let's see if we can address some of them um but yeah I don't like the changes they make in mail either haha so just to show solidarity I don't like that they list all my mailboxes stop it I don't want to know about all my mailboxes just the ones that have stuff in them anyways um a rebuild would be a good place to start now there are a couple of different ways you could do it so yes there is um which menu is it I think it's in mailboxes John yeah so the mailbox menu has rebuild now I think that only does I don't think that rebuilds all of them I think it just rebuilds the one that's highlighted that's correct that yes I've done this before and I can say with certainty that that's correct yeah okay um there's another way you could take care of this um so yeah you could do that maybe take a while um Onyx has something in the maintenance section in the maintenance rebuilding section uh mailboxes in mail rebuild the index or delete the existing index so those maybe quicker ways to uh get where you're going uh I would say that those two things speed-wise are reversed um when you rebuild the mailbox it does sort of re-sync with the server and actually you're right in his case with 94,000 messages that might take quite a while in just that one mailbox but when you with Onyx I would say delete don't just tell it to rebuild tell it to delete the index you will quit mail first you will do the Onyx thing and then relaunch mail at which point it will rebuild the index but that's the index that you need to have it rebuild at least first in order to hopefully solve this problem um but we've heard from Allison Sheridan over the last couple of months that she's been having a similar problem and she's been able to solve it briefly John but it the you know the whatever is triggering it keeps coming back for her yeah and I'm wondering if you can find the emails if you use spotlight because I don't think mail and and spotlight are using the same database or are they they are oh they are okay yeah so you want to also rebuild your spotlight database here um just to give everything a clean slate but I would do it in that order rebuild mail's envelope index then rebuild your spotlight yeah okay yep um alright as for um keeping email too long you may want to take advantage of uh imap feature called archive and you can find this in mail mail message archive and it'll put an email in a separate archive mailbox so yeah that's one suggestion and um oh what's the other one there's an app that will search your mail database um I mean there's mail steward which mail steward okay that'll create a local archive of your mail like a second copy and then you can search from there so that is a good way to deal with large amounts of mail um I would I would back up your home library mail folder and you might have to put it on another drive it could be quite large um but I would back that up for messing with all this if you're worried about losing data uh for sure but you're not running pop so like I think your your risks are much lower I don't want to say they're zero because they never are zero when you're doing it on operation like this but yeah mail steward or uh yeah mail steward would be would be a way to do this um one thing as you were saying it I had an idea John you said move it to archive that if Joe's already using the archive folder uh although with 93,000 messages in your inbox maybe you're not using your archive folder uh but if you are already using it you don't want to just put things there and then you know kind of have them mixed in with things that are truly archived you could create a new imap folder that's called you know inbox cold storage or something and copy you know all but the last three weeks of inbox mail to that cold storage folder you may be able to do this on the server if you can go to the go daddy web interface and do that it's going to be much faster letting the server move that than you know having it go down and back to your mail client uh over the internet to do it so if you can do that on the server great if you can't then you certainly can do it with mail you just got to leave mail open don't let your mat go to sleep you know it's going to take a while the window um let's say title of the activity window it's just activity go to the window menu choose activity and you will sort of see what's going on it's not complete what's happening there but you'll see it'll it's going to take a while though so you know that's what I have those are my thoughts um as for the server issue we've had people report this uh up to the point where mail would throw up a dialogue complaining about a connection and grinding all other operations to a halt remember that uh-huh um you may want to wonder you may want to go so so the place you can check your server settings is mail preferences accounts um server settings I think it's title of it I think that's right pull up mail accounts server settings yeah that's one place you could also go to the window connection doctor and let it see what what's up with that so yeah yes connection doctor can help isolate what's wrong or maybe give you at least a bit more detail about what the error is yeah exactly what the real error is I've found you know sometimes if my mail is for whatever reason set not to connect securely I've seen that cause issues and so just you know reconfiguring it so that it's connecting to the SSL port of your mail server yeah good one you know I mean I'm just throwing things out so yep all what happened okay alright I got to see this is the problem I start looking in mail and then I start getting notifications about things and then I'm distracted I need this focus mode John of course I would have you know yeah uh alright good Sandy had a question about Tabsync on IOS 15 well really Safari 15 which is part of iOS 15 it's part of uh it's part of all that stuff did I not put this in here where is sandy stuff I would love to find sandy stuff but maybe I don't have it I know I messed with it this morning and it's a great question because she was having trouble finding the um the yeah there it is the open tabs in uh in Safari 15 on your Mac you can could and still can click on the little cloud icon in the tab bar you know of Safari 15 and see all the open tabs that are synced via iCloud from all your other devices that are synced to iCloud so go there and you know for me I can see uh from my Mac here what's open on my iPhone 13 mini and my iPad mini 6 and you know etc etc my MacBook Air whatever uh in order to do that on her iPhone though or her iPad sandy said uh I used to be able to hit the four squares in the upper right hand corner of a Safari page on my iPad and it would allow me to see all the open pages now when I click on those four squares I see the start page of my iMac and nothing else likewise when I do this on iPhone all I see are the ones on my iMac is this the new normal yeah so it's not there um at least not normally at least not for me there yeah I only when I click on those four tab for the the new little what do they call it uh tab overview I am seeing the tab overview of that device and this is this is a new thing in that way because it's a new icon but to see the tabs from your other devices on your uh on your iPhone or iPad you need to hit the plus button to add a new tab and this is sort of how it's always been it's just a different workflow and so it's a little bit misleading I was misled by it too you're not alone so hit the plus sign on your iPad which is just one notch in from the little four square thing on your iPhone you need to hit the in the lower right the tab of you and then hit plus and once you're there you will be able to see uh your devices that um you know that that have your you know all your stuff but it's it's gonna be buried a little bit because the first thing you're gonna see on a new tab page by default is favorites then shared with you then privacy report which is very cool you can dig into that I like this then Siri suggestions then reading list and finally then iCloud tabs and then at the bottom below all that an edit button where you can tweak all of that including the order and whether or not the section appears at all so if you don't want Siri suggestions turn it off if you want uh frequently visited but you want it at the bottom slide it down to the bottom iCloud tabs at the top slide it up to the top however you use it you can even set a background image if you like uh so it's it's a great little thing and that's the key is it starts from the new tab page so the plus button is your friend unless you're on your Mac then the cloud icon is your friend so hopefully that helps yeah Mr. Bowen the other thing I noticed on the Mac so if you click I don't know what this is called okay um it's in the lower right it's three lines and three dots um where am I on the Mac like what um on the start page ah I don't have the start page up on my Mac I I yeah I have that turned off so I have I'd have to go to tabs and how do you set what happens this is there's another there's a quick tip happening here I'm just trying to figure it out where is oh yeah new windows open with um oh right you can set new windows and new tabs I have new tabs to be empty and new windows to be start pages in Safari preferences general so if I do a new window do I see the start page I do okay now yes I see your three little EQ sliders ah and this also lets you configure that start page it's the same interface that you get on the well similar interface turning iCloud tabs on and on yes sir huh yeah right yep yeah I'm interesting I thought I was pretty certain that at least on iOS prior iOS is if you held down the um the the window or tab button yeah show you what was happening across all your devices or have like no that that was how to close all your tabs yeah and that's still there with some new options because it's got to move to tab group uh things like that so yeah but but you're right I think if you hold down if you hold down on the plus key like once you go to the new tab you know browser will call it if you hold down the plus button there you get recently closed tabs and you can reopen them yeah yeah try holding down on things on iOS things happen like bookmarks I can add a bookmark from my 29 tabs that I have open I don't want to do that mind you but I could so yeah look at that yeah one thing I like about Safari on the on the iPhone if you leave it in the new mode which is to have the URL bar at the bottom is you can just like put your thumb over any finger but I do it with my thumb put your thumb over the URL bar and just push up and it brings you to that tab browser which is a nice way to kind of get I mean I know I could just tap the tab browser but it's like a very fluid thing and then I could just close tabs from there I don't know I like the new interface now that I'm the over not liking it all right we have time yeah you want to take us to Bob to kind of close that that loop there John see where is where is Bob we have a problem tonight screw things up did I not move everybody over I see Bob he's there Bob 891 talked about something from 891 no all right well I'll share the Bob stuff because the clock's ticking now I got it I got it you'll get it okay here we go all right Bob says no well he he links to an article that basically says crossover will run Intel Windows apps on M1 Mac right so this is a follow up to the conversation we had at the end of 891 where we were talking about what you how you can run and what Windows apps you can and can't run and what your options are for when you want to run Windows apps on an M1 Mac because obviously it can't emulate it can't virtualize Intel code because it's not Intel right and so as we mentioned crossover is there because somebody in the chat room had put that in so thank you for reiterating that Bob but what he talks about is something new John this UTM thing that's the that's the lead here is UTM is get UTM dot app and it will virtualize Intel Windows on Intel and it will emulate Intel for M1 that's really cool yeah this is the this is the big part of this yeah I mean crossover is cool it's really kind of wonky but it is nice that it it works for for M1 but this idea of of running I think UTM uses this open source emulation thing called QEMU John which has been around forever and evidently QEMU runs on M1 now so I know yeah it's cool I'm like this is and you can download it app store I think it's like 20 oh it's 10 bucks even less than I thought and um I mean you can download it straight from them I think there's like a trial maybe now it's not coming up there it is if I say download does it come yeah it's gonna let me download it so yeah yeah yeah let us know let I know yeah I will I'll mess with this yeah but that's that that UTM thing that's that's kind of the key here to opening that it's like it's the first one to open that door so yeah I like it it's good thank you for that Bob thanks John all right that brings us to the end it's good it's good you got anything else John no okay you said that hesitantly are you sure well I'm getting some packages today but I think I know what they are did you order things from Apple are you getting a 13 mini no oh okay what are your what are your packages do you want to tell us or is it you have to remain secret I don't know yet oh okay all right I know sometimes they have to remain secret you know if they're showing up with an embargo or something like that so yeah all right thanks for listening folks thanks uh for sending all your stuff in I know we didn't say it in the show but if you have a question or a tip or a cool stuff found 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