 Hey everybody, welcome back to Linuxcast. I'm your host Matt. I'm joined by Tyler. How you doing Tyler? Doing good, doing good. I feel lost because last week I had something fantastic just to make fun of you for the entire show and it went very well. I was on it man. I had all the comedic efforts. It was all good and this week you're using Linux. How boring. I know, I know and it's not like it's any better for me. I mean to be honest, we all know I tried Mac. I fell in love with it. There was no problems whatsoever. It was just a glorious experience and now I am just sad to be back on Linux. I really hope the sarcasm comes through on that. You came back to Linux and all of a sudden it was like pipe wire and pulse audio. These things are terrible. Why do I want to use those things? The funny part is on macOS there was, I granted it was because of the M1 chip but still there was just as many issues with audio as there was with pulse so it's really not like Mac's got any advantages on Linux right now with their latest stuff. I've used Windows before. They have just as many audio problems too. If you try to connect a Bluetooth device on Windows it's just as painful as it is on Linux. It's just not a good experience. Bluetooth is just horrible all around. I don't think anybody has it right. All right so this is the Linuxcast we talk about you know Linux and usually we start off the show by asking what have we been doing this week on Linux and last week I couldn't ask you that question but this week I can. So Tyler what have you been doing on Linux this week? Well for the past day and a half I have been back in Linux. I went straight back to Fedora just because I knew I could get it up and running and it worked and I could get some work done on the game. It was working perfectly fine up until a little like this morning. It pipe wire just for some reason only detected my microphone and that's it and I tried reverting to pulse. I tried a whole bunch of different things. It just wouldn't work. So now I'm back on Arch. Arch is running as per usual. Fantastic. Back in Qtile and I didn't have that much time to get my config set back up. Do that much messing around. I just had to get everything installed and ready for the podcast and make sure the audio was working. So yeah that's what I've been doing distressing trying to get my Arch install ready for this podcast. I appreciate your dedication. I've been preparing to hop again because of issues and I'll talk about that in a minute but I refuse to do it and tell the podcast I'm going to do it tonight. That way because I knew if I hopped beforehand and things went wrong which they would go wrong because of course they would. You know I just didn't want that to be something that I had to put up with but yeah I'm hopping to. So you're using Qtile or you said you wanted to Arch. You're using vanilla Arch. Yes vanilla Arch yeah. I've never used Rco or any other spin-off distro. So what's the one that's just system D free? I think it's Artex. Artex yeah I have tried Artex but I don't know I just stick with the main line. I put up a poll because I streamed by the way that stream ended up being four hours long. That's on Sunday night. I'm still tired but so Sunday night I streamed trying to install Gen2 in a virtual machine. The virtual machine was actually the culprit of why it failed because it just froze in the background. That's the reason why it stopped. But I was discussing some of the problems and you remember last week I was having just a crap ton of Linux problems. I was having the problems with OBS. I had the problems with Pycom. I fixed the problems with OBS. That is done. I don't know how I fixed it but it's fixed. I don't ask me what I did. I don't know. The Pycom thing was fixed with an update so that's done. The only thing I'm still having an issue with is some of my USB devices just randomly stopped working. Sometimes my computer started to see and it's been going on for a while. I thought it was Qtile because it was only ever happened in Qtile. But recently I actually started doing it in DWM2 and I don't know what's going on. I'm hoping and praying that Nuking and Paving this version of Linux fixes the problem because if it doesn't that means it's a hardware problem and then I just might as well die. The only way to fix it then I would think would be to replace the motherboard. And once you get into problems like when it comes to motherboard issues you're in my experience especially if you're someone who's going to replace like your own hardware like you're not going to go out and buy a pre-built or something like that. Most likely you're going to get down in there replace the motherboard and that's always when you're like well if I'm going to replace the motherboard there's this thing that I could replace or I've been meaning to upgrade this. I've already thought about it. If I have to replace the motherboard I'm getting a new case because I have the H510 from NZXT and the airflow and it's horrible. I mean it's just horrendous. Temperatures and always run about 20 degrees more than what it should because I have water cooling in there. Yeah it's not good. It's like right now the temperature is at 60 degrees Celsius which I mean it's not horrible or anything but with water cooling and just running OBS or whatever it should be at least 10 degrees lower. Yeah well let's be honest you're essentially idling the machine right now like yeah OBS is running but it you probably don't have that many programs I hope. Oh that's not true. I have three instances of Firefox and I have a ton of stuff open but still it shouldn't be that it shouldn't be that high but still if I had to replace the motherboard you know I might as well go ahead and replace the case because I have the case that I want picked out and it's like it's in stock it's 150 bucks and I might as well just do that too because I'm gonna have to rebuild it anyways. I was like and then I was thinking well you know what I don't really care for this air cooler or this water cooler so I'm gonna go ahead and get the a new AIO too and then I was like well you know if I'm gonna do that I might as well get some more merit-fucking. By the time I'm gonna rebuild the whole damn computer is we're gonna redo this. The only thing I'm gonna be able to obviously do is replace the graphics card because you can't get one. There is no chip. I went in there and so I was talking with the guy to get this laptop. This is a Dell G5 it's got a Ryzen 7 and a 5600M in it so the new mobile AMD chips or graphics chips and I was talking with the guy there and so I was like when it comes to graphics cards I would like to buy one but you don't have any in stock do you? He goes of course not and I'm like okay well so when it comes to like a pre-built or a laptop what's the best bang for buck? I don't want to spend like over or that much over a thousand dollars at all and he put me on this one and he goes this is the only laptop that we have in stock. We have two and most likely if you don't buy it in the next three hours it'll probably be gone. He goes the display model he pointed me over if they had another island that was apparently at one point filled with gaming laptops and they're all empty. He's like yeah we sold the displays. Like everyone's buying graphics cards anyway they can get them. I understood like a year ago when everybody was working home but everybody's going to fucking back to work now and why the hell are people buying computer parts so much now? It doesn't make any sense. I mean and we can't we cannot blame the entire graphics card thing on bitcoin. No. In the grand scheme of things how many people are really out there mining bitcoin because first of all bitcoin is mostly done on the those cards that remain specifically for bitcoin. The A6. It's the ethereum or whatever that's mined on GPUs still and that's not it. I mean I like I could walk out to the living room and ask my family if they've ever heard of ethereum but I don't think they have so the vast majority of people haven't so I mean you can't blame all on that so it has to be a combination of chip shortage or whatever and people wanting gaming I mean I mean. Well I think there's also a lot of people who are now even though people are going back to work I know there are I'm not saying every company or most companies are but I know there is a lot of companies that have now switched to even if they still have an office most of their employees have the option to work at home for a majority of the time so I think a lot of people are it may be a thing of people are now starting to have the ability of working on their own machines so they get one that they can you know game on and do everything else as well as work on that might be the case but that's a good point um I don't know so anyways so you move back you might move back to arch and uh you're using q-tile uh the poll I put up uh apparently void linux has decided to be the winner I thought as much as the my the commenters and I'm gonna on the youtube channel we're going on and on about gentoo I thought for sure that sabion or calculate would win but void ended up winning uh by hefty margin by like over 20 points um I was surprised when I clicked on it to see that void was so high because I clicked on calculate because I I wanted to see calculate and I assumed because we were talking about gentoo so much somebody would like we don't be picking it but no I thought so too um the thing is is I'm kind of regretting putting the poll now because I really don't want like I tried to install void in a virtual machine and it was a failure like I couldn't get it to actually load but I don't think that it's void's problem this is the second virtual machine I've created now after the gentoo one that has been a complete failure there's something going on with my virtual box install and I don't know what it is so I'm having a feeling that uh if I go through and try to install this on hardware I'll be more successful so that's what I'm going to be working on this evening is installing void Linux Linux whether or not I uh stick with it for any amount of time I don't know because I'm very very worried about package availability because it's like it's it's an independent distro kind of like solis and solis is a great distro I mean it's really good it's really stable uh the people behind are fantastic but if you want to install programs and you mean yeah there are no programs I mean they have the the main ones but if you have something that you want that's uh you know a little bit out there it's not going to be there and that's what I'm worried about with void uh uh whether or not that's the case like I said I don't know I know like I've tried hopping before man and every time I was like there's a little voice in my head A U R A U R A U R like you know it's gonna happen oh man I'm gonna miss the and the thing is I was looking at Garuda this morning because uh the the destination Linux guys were talking about their top two distros so far of the year and Garuda was one of them that they were talking about and it looks at least their KDE one looks nice I thought I was like you know if their KDE one KDE one looks so nice maybe I'll try one of their window manager ones but their window managers ones are kind of ugly I mean they're not really well all that optimized so I was really kind of disappointed in that but if and I don't like I was looking at it like it has a whole bunch of like gaming packages I just don't know if I would ever use but I don't know void is gonna void is gonna see me this this evening I've gotten everything all backed up that I needed I need to do um and I have it on a USB key I'm just you know all I gotta do is press the button but we'll see how it goes um well I wish you the best on your journey yeah chances are tomorrow I'll be right back on arch I mean it there's a there's a good like 75-25% chance that that I'm gonna be back on arch tomorrow but we'll see I'm never know maybe it'll be good um maybe maybe if void won't work I'll try artics because I've been wanting to try one without system D for a while just because everybody goes like oh system D is so horrible you know I want to try like I don't understand it we'll have to do that a topic someday what we talk about the whole system D is evil thing but uh like that will have to be a longer podcast because I have a feeling that we could go on for a little bit about it I have a feeling too um but I was like well what the hell I'm gonna try one without system D anyways okay so uh 20 minutes 20 minutes in way we were further out of the first first thing but it's okay uh moving on to the contact information you can follow us on twitter at Linuxcast you can subscribe to our audio feeds and everything at the linuxcast.org I've been promising a website for months uh and it took a step closer this week I actually opened up a linode account all I have to do is go through and actually install wordpress and we'll have a website so uh yeah one step closer and I've also been promising an actual email address it's not a gmail account and guess what you can contact us at email at the linuxcast.org it's done uh it that's what I'm talking about like it cost me $20 a year but it's done uh just because I decided just to host it right with with the domain or whatever I like hover it's fine you can support us on patreon at patreon.com slash linuxcast if you'd like to pitch in towards our hosting you know costs and shit you can follow tyler on odyssey and youtube both of those links will be in the youtube description they're horrendously looking links so I just have to point you towards the the description and you can subscribe to us on youtube at youtube.com slash linuxcast uh every week we select a news link each and this week is no different so tyler why don't you tell us what your news link is well mine is in regards to dxvk um dxvk has just come out with a new version and it's um got a lot of improvements um the main thing that I was looking at is um like it's it's improved a lot apparently with latency like frame latency um and um like the buffer um the way it handles um the buffers um for um what is it directx9 I believe um is has been like much improved and so it's like um with all of these improvements it's helped improve the caching um and fixed numerous bugs um and they have a list at the very bottom of the article where they talk about um the games that you'll definitely um see that the performance improved um GTA's in there spec ops the line um and day's gone so there's quite a few AAA games that see a heavy performance improvement and I love I love hearing about articles like this because I am not smart enough to understand anything about how this is done how it's figured out how it works but I'm very happy to see that there is a at least decent portion of people out there that spend their time on it and work and do these kinds of things that's what makes Linux great yeah I agree um it seems like at least once a week there's this kind of announcement where we just see some kind of update to something that you're right I don't understand either but they go through and just makes Linux better um and makes Linux gaming better like like last week it was the Nvidia DLSS stuff or whatever um so I mean it's uh Linux gaming it's the year of the Linux desktop you know I don't know if I don't know if you've seen Windows 11 but oh dude I think that's so bad like it's Windows 10 with rounded corners man it's just you know like and you know that they're gonna charge money for that right like they're gonna charge money for that I watched um uh Mudahar on YouTube he uh went over yesterday and he was just like oh you gotta sign in to have any of this stuff to work like oh man use Linux that's the thing about Windows 11 that sort of scared me I don't know if you saw it but um it it seems like if they're gonna continue the route almost every major like very popular distribution is gonna have sort of a GNOME style look to it like rounded corners everywhere the uh just the bounciness like the bouncy animations just everywhere like well it's either gonna look like that or it's gonna have the center dock of a macOS kind of look you know like there have to be other user interface paradigms than these two right there has to be right but we just I think it's familiarity right people are just so familiar with those two like either your mac guy or your windows guy and you know that's if you went to I don't know if you know who Paul Therade is he's the guy who covers Windows um he's on one of the Leopold podcast that's how I know him um but uh he he covered this Windows 11 stuff and in the comments of his articles or whatever people are just freaking out about the fact that the start button's in the center like they are free I mean they they're just freaking the fuck out it's it's it's hilarious um and like people just reply like you can change like you can change like if you if you have an activated version of Windows at least you can you can change that and move the start button back to where it is on the left hand side but in that case you why did you buy Windows 11 you just have Windows 10 now like with rounded corners that's all that's different um and then I tweeted out something yesterday uh a picture of Windows 11 but with a picture of like the the the device manager or something that got in there it still looks like it's from Windows 98 like this is welcome to Windows man this is hilarious all right we got that was a rabbit hole you know we gotta get back to yours we haven't even got there yet all right um let's see um gotta move to the the right scene so my uh news link is Linus Torvalds wants everyone to get vaccinated to stop believing anti-vaxx conspiracies uh this is from it's Faust basically on the the Linux eternal mailing list somebody was going on about anti-vaxxing and not believing in the whole coronavirus vaccine and whatever and Linus Torvalds in typical Linus Torvalds uh fashion lit into them with a whole bunch of like fax and stuff like that and then told them to get the hell off to the the mailing list because they're being an idiot um it was great um I I know a lot of people have a problem with the way Linus goes through and talks a lot of times because he's very very blunt he's always been blunt and he got in trouble for a couple years ago where he had to take time off and take anger management course uh I was like oh that's so fucking stupid man look he's he's angry he's an angry man just let him be you know he's hilarious about 90 percent of the time you know um and and here's one thing I will say he is very like if you've watched interviews of him he is a very he's upfront about the fact that he he knows he can be abrasive and he he knows he's argumented it like he knows who he is in his personality and he's not he he's upfront about it you can't really be mad at the guy for being himself like come on obviously some people can't get mad at him but I just want to I just want to read this please keep your insane and technically incorrect Anavax comments to yourself you don't know what you're talking about you don't know what my RNA is and you're spending idiotic lies maybe you do so unwittingly but because of bad education maybe you do so because you've talked to experts quote-unquote or watched youtube videos by charlatans that don't know what they're talking about but damn it regardless of where you got your misinformation any Linux kernel discussion list isn't going to have your idiotic drivel passline contested from me vaccines have saved people's lives and literally tens of millions of people like that's I mean if there are put downs and then there's this like it's so good um it's definitely it's definitely um I mean first of all I mean we we can make this a little bit of a broader discussion because I actually talked about this a little bit on this stream is that um in the I'm like Linux youtube channels and the in the Linux community or whatever for whatever reason there are just certain people who want to bring in their political beliefs or whatever into the discussion like keep that shit away from me like I don't I don't give a damn what you believe that it doesn't it has no bearing on whatsoever you know so just just leave me alone I don't care I want to talk about versus KDE a little bit okay that's that's as political as I want to get I don't want like I don't care I mean if you don't want to get a corona vaccine you know by all means whatever I don't I don't particularly care I mean I got one I was sick as a dog for the last two days um but I'm getting better and then in like a week and a half I can go to the store without a fucking mask and not and not feel like a douche bag you know yeah that was my whole goal like I don't want to it's like 90 degrees outside I do not want a freaking oven on my face that's why I got the vaccine like that's like if there's no other reason that's good enough reason but I mean all right back at it people are so fucking stupid so here's the thing I'm not going to go get a vaccine but it's not because I think the vaccine's going to kill me or any type of crazy bull crap it's just I I barely get out right now I don't have a re like in it and I've got a nice mask anytime I do go in somewhere I can just throw it it's really not that big of a deal I just don't need one like I'm not very social like it all the people that I've been going around and hanging out with have either already had it or been vaccinated so I mean the few friends that I do go out and hang out with it don't matter but I also I would not go in like to this person here what are they think like if you're this type of person that just goes into a Linux forum or a computer forum mailing list anything and just start talking about vaccinations or your political beliefs or what's going on in your town what are you doing like stay on topic okay any sense I mean and he had to have that person had to have known that he was gonna get put down by people I mean even if there were people in there that agreed with his beliefs or whatever you know he just had to know them I mean they just they're very stern on what they talk about in the Linux kernel mailing list they talk about the Linux kernel that's what they talk about that it's not the call called the Linux kernel and USA Today mailing list is called the Linux kernel language you know it's so dumb all right uh let's see here uh moving on to our main topic which is I don't even know what our main topic is what is our main topic today how long before x86 is an odyssey so that that was your topics Tyler so why don't you take us into it well um to be honest this is one of those topics where I I feel like it's a very interesting topic because it's it's something there's not a hard answer for it's very speculative but at the same time there's a good chance that we in the near future near near future I'm thinking it probably won't be longer than five years to where most new hardware that's coming out and a lot of the hardware that people are choosing to use is no longer x86 I I wish I could say that risk five was definitely going to be the thing that took off that soon but I think risk five will be another decade or two before it's nearly as popular as ARM is today in any form but I feel like all we need is a push from a company like Apple to take that same sort of drive with ARM and make their own chips and and do something like that what do you think okay so this is a tough one so Apple does things differently they always have and they've always done chip transitions very well I mean better than literally anybody else so and part of that reason is because they control the whole hardware and software stack right they control everything so if they can go through and optimize things the way they need to do it there's a reason why Windows on ARM just hasn't taken off is because they Windows doesn't control their hardware stack and they don't do they've in fact I'm I'm pretty positive Windows has never done a chip transition you know like Apple has it's always been on you know basically Intel processors I mean I might be wrong about that I'm not old enough to remember the early days of Windows really so it's it's entirely possible that they've done a trip chip changes and I can't say chip transition whatever but even if they have it's been ages and ages ago because they've definitely been on x86 since forever so and their attempts to go to ARM just have not been successful even with their own products like their Surface X or whatever that was based on ARM that thing was horrendous it was not a good product because they're so entrenched in I mean like we talked with a Windows 11 thing where they had the Windows 98 style device manager on there I mean they're so entrenched in that legacy software stuff and you can't run that stuff on ARM you I mean you can you can emulate it but it's it's not a good experience and nobody wants I mean nobody wants that so that my answer to the question is I think x86 is here to stay for quite a while and my reason is because people are entrenched in the Windows ecosystem and Microsoft can't do ARM they can't they can't do it and more at this point I don't think that they want to do it I you know I think they see apples and one I think like maybe they they in in their highest you know like like in their dreams maybe they thought that they could do that but with the way the Windows ecosystem is they just can't without starting completely over and they've tried to start over again and we've seen now in the last couple days the next generation of Windows and it turns out it's just Windows 10 so this is they had an opportunity with like Windows X or whatever the thing they were talking about with uh you know like Chromebook style thing that could have been that their opportunity to kind of weed out some of the legacy stuff and try to start moving towards a future where they can you know uh kind of do what Apple has done becoming they could go through and have a more open way of because I mean they have to deal with their partners or whatever but there's no reason why they can't work together with those companies and create a good software stack that works well on ARM there's no reason why they can't but they're not willing to because they need the way that they make their money is through the enterprise and the enterprise is never going to give up their internet explorer six or whatever they have to use in order to do stuff so I think for the vast majority of consumers x86 is just going to be here for a long time now the real question is is will companies like Apple see like a resurgence because uh once we get past this crazy everybody's buying everything stage I mean I don't know where everybody's getting all this money man I don't understand the credit card bills for the last year for people this has to be absolutely insane oh yeah the amount of debt people have racked up over the past year has got to be amazing for you you know debt collectors like it might just have to they have to have doubled it like from the year forward like it just has to be horrendous because everybody's buying everything it's it just absolutely insane but once we get past that point it'll be interesting to see if because because before the pandemic you know pc and max sales were going down and then everybody had to buy a computer before once we get back to you know quote unquote normal and people are having regular buying habits or whatever it'll be interesting to see if apple you know continues to go out because of it you know m1 being awesome whatever comes next being awesome uh right now we can't really judge whether or not their you know true upwards trajectory has anything anything to do with the m1 because everybody's buying everything you know now I have an interesting question for you how do you think um as a business strategy for a company say like system 76 do you think it would be a good business strategy for them to try and take um inspiration from apple and get a do a special arm chip you know that they design and try and work um to develop a open source linux distribution that is just designed to work on that chip and make that chip the best it can be and have that chip also emulate x86 you know linux programs very well you think that that would be a strategic business strategy no um most is because the amount of money that they'd have to put in r&d i think it'd be too high um now what i could see is like like a consortium of of these like hardware manufacturers or whatever they could kind of like pull their resources into it that could be like maybe they form a partnership with the raspberry pie foundation or something um where they you know it's just where they kind of pull their economic resources then maybe it would make more financial sense um because obviously it would be open source so it'd be you know it'd be something that they could all work on and all have credit for and all have the license to him whatever um but as just a solo company i don't think that it would make financial sense for them now would it be cool hell yeah i think it'd be awesome it'd be as expensive it you know i mean system 76 is expensive anyways but it would be really expensive for them because they'd have to i mean they're in the business of making money they they can't just throw i mean with with with apple it's 100 different because they have trillions of dollars in the bank you know they can you know if they if they have a project that just doesn't pan out and they've spent a hundred billion dollars on it like that's there's no big deal i mean system 76 spends a hundred billion dollars on something like that they're going out of fucking business you know they don't have it has to work you know like yeah they can't they can't do the whole experimental thing that's why i think it would have to be some kind of uh split effort because i mean and and it would be kind of i mean i mean it'd be so very the linux way for them to do their own arm thing and the raspberry pi foundation do their own thing and then you know the the underwear or whatever do their own arm things that'd be that'd be the entirely the linux way of doing things because we love fragmentation we embrace it with everything i mean that's the reason why we have 12 million different package managers but if they were if it was a smart community they'd go through and say you want to know it the raspberry pi and risk five and all these companies or whatever they've gone through and put in all this effort so far let's go ahead and pull in resources into that and see where we can go and we'll just have we'll all agree to use this one architecture you know and build on from there uh but i don't i think we probably will see more and more focus on arm in the linux community in terms of hardware in the next five years but i am 100 positive that it's going to be as much of a fragmented mess as everything else is in linux and i say that being the biggest like sandboy in the world so no and that's sort of what worries me about everyone being so excited for linux on the m1 chip even though linux might run on that piece of hardware let's be honest the reason why the m1 chip performs as well as it does is because apple has spent the r and d in the software side to match the hardware um linux is yeah you're going to get it to work i know that i know with the the linux community can get linux to work on anything like it's going to happen it's just i don't think linux in the same sort of paradigm as m1 can work unless we have a company like apple in the linux space with apple like resources to do it um i shouldn't say i didn't mean like apple i just meant with the resources of apple so well the problem i mean like i said the problem with the linux community is that they just don't they don't work together very well at all at least i mean they do in some areas right i mean they can work it's not it's not as if fedora and ubuntu are bitter enemies or anything they work together on genome they do do that but they also don't put effort into the same thing so like um for many years they were had competing future display servers like they had weyland and they had mere right both of them were the future both of them were replacements for xwork obviously weyland has won and mere is dead um but you know just because they two work together or you know they work together more now because ubuntu uses genome uh they still always have competing projects you know snaps flat packs i mean that's the biggest example you have right there they have competing because they don't agree on how the future of linux package management should do i mean and that's every linux distribution so i mean i don't see how the only way we as a community we'd ever be able to at least get up to the point where we have enough resources to do that kind of stuff would be to do it together and i just don't see uh that level of cooperation uh anywhere in the uh linux community at the current moment and and i don't i don't see that happening anytime soon and and it's like it's a sad thing because you know your experience with m1 was amazing right i mean you thought it was just absolutely out of this world um and i think we had if we could have that kind of experience with linux it'd also be really awesome um i just i don't see how the thing is though is maybe we don't need the hardware you know what i mean it's possible that the raspberry pi foundation is going to save us all because they're going through and they're creating little boards with arm processors that it can do an awful lot you know i mean okay sure you're not going to go play grand theft auto five on the damn thing but you don't want expectations it costs 30 dollars you know what i mean uh so and they it seems like every time a new raspberry pi comes out it doubles in performance you know and so it's possible and linux runs really well on it and there's a lot of software that you can get to run on linux on arm it's there um and it's always getting better and i think that if we can get to the point where the raspberry pi can actually truly be someone's computer like maybe not for gaming but for everything else you know and we're close you know you could use that raspberry pi 400 as a daily driver you know if you could put up with the crappy computer the crappy keyboard you know it's you know if it had a good keyboard on it i think it would have been really popular um but i mean like let's be honest if you took your mechanical keyboard out you could slap a raspberry pi 4 in the bottom of it drill some holes for the ports and you're on your way we have 3d printers like it could work you know like we got this like that that's my like kind of proviso on this whole thing because i think that the raspberry pi foundation in the the raspberry pi is just something that could really save links because i mean they're working on it and who they seem to be the everyone seems to agree that that's the development board right now to be you know worked on like yes nvidia has their thing yes risks five is doing something uh you know there's there's another there's a few other like development boards or whatever but when you think small computer that usually for linux that you think raspberry pi um and it's just so unbelievably popular and i think that that right there is going to lead to the software side of things kind of being pushed forward because i mean everybody's very interested in making sure that the there's something that you can run on a raspberry pi and yeah this last one they got full on a boon to working on it they got a boon like a boon to matei i'm sure i know manjaro arm works on it so i mean there i mean once you start getting the fact that once you start getting distro maintainers looking at actually making arm versions i think that's a success uh i agree with you so that's where we are um whether or not we'll ever get to the point where we can game on a raspberry maybe well to be honest i mean a raspberry pi that i i definitely can see maybe a little bit longer than five years down the line but i can definitely see a raspberry pi coming out with the graphics performance of something like a 750 ti something like that um now granted it's definitely going to be at that point it's going to have you know some type of cooling on it oh yes i mean it needs cooling on it now but yeah here's the thing if apple can i mean apple seems to be focused on focusing on built-in graphics which is an absolute shame because if they had managed to pull in uh nvidia and um amd in terms of getting uh dedicated discrete graphics working with arm that would be awesome and and it would be a boon for the linux community too because if they got managed to do that work for apple it's possible that they could translate that work towards allowing those dedicated graphics to work with an arm based linux machine and if we can get to the point where we have a i'm not an engineer i have no clue what i'm talking about uh it may be impossible to have an arm work with a um a dedicated graphics processor unit gpu um but if it is possible that'd be really awesome but it doesn't seem like apple's going that direction which is like i said kind of disappointing because if they if they could have kind of kick started that effort uh it would have made the arm race even better because anybody with a who develops an arm chip could also then also maybe use a dedicated graphics card and it would have it would have been great but i don't like i said i don't think they're going to go in that direction so all right well that was a good a good little topic um let's go ahead and move on to our picks of the week so tyler why don't you tell us about your picks of the week mine uh is the apple file system for linux it's essentially just a little driver that you can install it's extremely easy to install it's not difficult at all um and then so i i mainly am sharing this not because maybe you want to use the apple file system i would assume if you're a linux user you don't want to and it's it's not like it's that special anyway but if you're someone who is switching over from a mac or you have a family member that wants to switch over from using a mac anything this is insanely useful you'll need it to be able to recover any files that you have backed up on another hard drive and at first it was looking like it something like this being able to access my drive and copy files over from it was going to be pretty difficult but luckily um this made it super simple um you literally just install this and then mount the drive like you would any other drives and go about your business um so that kind of allows you because um apple uses that weird journal file system whatever yeah uh apfs is what they call it yeah okay so um yeah that's very interesting obviously not something i'd use because you'd never catch me dead using a magnetosh well i won't use it again i just needed to copy over my files and now that drives been reformatted to a i don't know a reasonable file system right anyway well it was an experience for you man i at least gave it a try uh definitely definitely i'm not sticking with it i would have went without a computer long before i used a mac although i would have used a mac before i used windows so i mean i guess there's levels of my you know in a but you know not wanting to do things all right so normally for me i always try to pick an application or something that is open source uh and that's just kind of to go along with the thing but this time i didn't and it's sad mine is called memo and memo is an android application that you can or it's also on ios but i mean whatever um that you can use it on your phone and it allows you to learn programming so i've been using it to learn python and i i said i was going to learn python and um the problem is when i sit down in front of my computer uh there's youtube hey you know and there are other things to do on my computer and there's gaming and stuff like that so i i i have no financial reason to actually you know learn python but on my phone like just when i'm using my phone it and i can open up memo it's a gamified experience so you can go through and like earn points and stuff like that so it's really cool okay um and it allows you to learn python it also has uh stuff for javascript html and css so um i'll probably go through those as well now like i said this is not open source so uh that's uh a downside it is also uh very limited in terms of what you can do for free so if you want to get all the courses you have to pay and it is a little pricey i know they had how much uh they have deals all the time uh so 40 a year um okay is the thing so it's not i mean it's not the most expensive thing in the world but for uh as we talked about last week people don't like paying thing for things if you want to get through and actually get all the courses you do had to pay for them uh if you had to pay full price it'd be 60 a year so again i mean and i'm gonna assume they are coming out with more courses all the time pretty frequently yeah um and it's not the most well-designed app in the world but it's not like unusable there's a lot of the thing bothers me like i'm not a designer but there's a lot of white space in it bothered me a little bit but um but otherwise it's actually really good i'm still in the beginning phase of it i have not paid for it yet because i wanted to go through and do the free stuff first um make sure it's all good well then make sure i'm actually going to stick with it because i don't want to pay for 40 dollars for a year and then you know a week from now like i'm going to go back and play clash of clans you know this is fun you know that that's definitely a thing i so i mean this is definitely if you want to learn how to code and you can't trust yourself in front of a computer because i mean i've tried to learn how to code before and i got went into a rabbit hole oh what's the best ide i could use let's go ahead and get all these vim plugins like i never got around to learning how to code i was like like let's go ahead and install all these vim plugins to make this vim the best ide possible you know and then by the time by the time i was like i got that all set up or whatever i no longer want to learn how to code so uh and you got all these useless vim plugins so i've been trying out lunar vim that lunar vim is a uh they've taken the the guy has gone through and rewritten everything for nvim in lua because nvim now for neil vim starts it now supports lua right and he has just all these plugins it's like like what am i going to use any of this stuff for i don't even know like it's really cool and it reminds you of like uh like my little time with emacs or whatever there's like a ton of stuff in it like it's really cool but it's just total overkill for anything i would possibly do um but with the with the memo thing at least you're you know kind of focused but and also the really cool thing about it is that it will send you reminders so that you can do this every day so it reminds you like say two o'clock every day do your python course and it only takes takes like three four minutes to actually do the course because then each one's like ten ten steps long or whatever um that's been really cool um so that yeah that's that's my pick um we'll see whether or not i pay for it but we'll um so far it's looking likely because it's been kind of fun it will also see how good your python is well we'll see i mean so far i've learned how to store variables as far as i've gotten so um the thing about storing variables is pretty much the same in every every language so is it and like this equals this this is a this is a this is a variable you know so that's basically the as far as i've gotten but um i've started which is definitely more than i could have said you know a few days ago so that's that's my pick so uh that is it for us this time next time on the linux cast which if i can get my freaking keyboard to work wire my freak i'm so sick of usb things not working all right it doesn't matter you see the problem with using a tiling window manager is when your keyboard stops working you can't move to a different workspace without using your mouse problems you're screwed all right so the next topic is why is linux hardware so damn expensive so uh yeah we're gonna probably talking about system 76 quite a bit there but they're not the only culprits uh they're really not you can many and i kind of also want to talk during that one is why is linux hardware uh like manufacturing so segmented so like there are a ton of great like linux hardware manufacturers that are in europe and you can't buy that shit here like oh really yeah like like there's like entraware and there's a couple of the ones that are like spanish or german or whatever and they have like they're a little you know they're a little pricey not nearly as pricey as system is 76 but you can't buy that stuff over here without importing it like through somebody else as far as i know like i haven't been able to figure out how to do it because they're they um like they have no uh mechanism like some of it's like entirely different languages like you can't get it into english at all and then um they have different keyboard layouts and stuff like that and that's fine we have system 76 like here for us but it seems like they're the only ones for us you know i mean yeah unless you want to buy del and good luck trying to find a del laptop with linux on it they bury that shit like a red-headed step child anyway so that is it for this time make sure you uh follow us on twitter at the linux cast you can follow me on twitter at tmtwb before i go i should actually shout out all of our patrons debba and marcus megal and 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