 Okay, I've got 530 on the clock here. So I'll convene this meeting. Holly, would you please go ahead and call the roll? President Swan. Present. Vice President Henry. Here. Director Moran. Present. Director Fultz. Here. Director Ferris. Here. All are present. Thank you, Holly. Okay, we'll go right to the agenda. Rick, do you have a couple of new business items? I'll turn it over to you. Okay, there's still, it looks like our attendees are still coming on. And I'll go ahead and start our first item of new business is Community Power Resilient Allocation Special District Program, Representative Authorization, Environmental Planner, Carly Blanchard will present this item. Carly. Great, thank you, Rick. So about a week ago, we received a grant opportunity through Cal OES, which will help fund any money that we've spent for PSPS events in the past. So when PG&E shuts off the power for power safety events, we can use this money to purchase generators and fund some of our fuel and other costs. So right now, we have until tomorrow to get this submitted to Cal OES, so I've been trying to get as much information into the grant proposal. But we will need the board to select a representative for the district as the signatory as we have in past grants. So we have attached this resolution, and we're asking the board to pass this and allow Rick to sign out all the application paperwork for us. Thank you, Carly. Do we have any questions or comments from the board for Carly or Rick? I also see that Holly had her hand up as well, but I'll go first here. And Carly, do you have any idea how much did we spend on a daily basis for fuel? That's what we're going to get, this ballpark number. Right, so that would be a better question for James, but unfortunately, the grant period is only from July 1st of 2020 until October 31st of 2021. So right now, we haven't spent any money on fuel except for this newest event, which we haven't actually estimated those costs. So what we focused on for this grant are the bigger costs, which were those generators that we purchased. So that's going to pretty much use up all of the funds that we can apply for right now, the grants for a total of $300,000. And by just using those grants that we've purchased, I mean, sorry, the generators that we've purchased, we're pretty much going to meet that $300,000. Okay, great. Thank you. So would we get this $300,000 to even though we've already purchased the generators, or is it for additional purchasing of new generators or materials? Right, so two of the larger purchased generators do fall within that period, and then we're planning to purchase one additional mobile generator. Okay, great. Thank you. Any other questions from the board? Holly? Yes, I just wanted to note on the resolution, the date is incorrect in the packet, and so I wanted you to know that the date has now been changed to October 29th of 2020 for on the resolution. Okay, thank you, Holly. Do we have any questions or comments from any of the participants or attendees? None? Okay. Okay, so I guess I'll go ahead and make the motion that we adopt resolution 520-21, appointing Rick as our point of contact with Cal OES. I'll reflect on the motion. Thank you, Lou. Okay, Holly, would you like to record the vote? President Swan? Yes. Vice President Henry? Yes. Director Moran? Yes. Director Fultz? Yes. Director Ferris? Aye. Motion passes. Thank you, Holly. Okay, Rick, back to you for item B. Item 2B is the landslide and debris flow hazard condition representing the San Lorenzo Valley caused by the CZU wildfire. We discussed this at the last board meeting, and if we have additional information, recommended that the board review this battle and provide comments in regards to the landslide and debris flow hazard conditions in the Harmon Creek watershed. The CZU lightning complex wildfire started as a series of lightning fires on August 16th, 2020, across the Western Santa Cruz and San Mateo counties. The fire was active for more than a month and burned approximately 86,500 acres with 1,450 structures destroyed in one fatality. This includes approximately 1,600 acres of watershed land owned by the district that supplies about half of the district's water supply in the San Lorenzo Valley. Large areas of the watershed land were burned by the fire, resulting in the possibilities of landslide and debris flow hazard conditions during the upcoming rainy season. The district has been working with the help of emergency contractors to mitigate hazards, including identification removal of fire damaged trees, posing hazards on district property. The district has also been coordinating with numerous other agencies engaged in post-disaster emergency efforts within the San Lorenzo Valley. Such agencies include the County of Santa Cruz, Cal Fire, Cal OES, the California Department of Conservation, FEMA, the U.S. Department of Agricultural, and the Natural Resource Conservation Service, among others. Two of these agencies, Cal Fire and the California Department of Conservation, recently released a report entitled Watershed Emergency Response Team Evaluation, a CZU Lightning Complex. A copy of the work report is available and there's a link in this memo and you can, we do link to it off the district's website. October 21, 2020, the district's board of directors reviewed a memo from the district manager outlining the work report and discussed conditions outlined in the Harmon Creek Watershed. The work report further states that on page 40, based on our limited field reconnaissance, a properly designed and located deflection structure may reduce the potential for evulsion from the current channel on an unnamed watercourse immediately upslope with a Boulder Creek Elementary School and a joining residential neighborhood and we refer to that as the district's Harmon Creek stream. The actual debris flows pathways are highly uncertain and were difficult to predict during the rapid evaluation. Deflection structures may prove effective in reducing the chance for evulsion in other areas where the potential for post-fire debris flow and flowing impacts on flooding impacts were observed. For these reasons, the report recommended further observation and determinations be made by a state-certified professional geologist and professional engineers. The district continues to be engaged in ongoing discussion with county representatives with direct post-fire knowledge of the Harmon Creek Watershed and the work report. The district believes the county could help facilitate a design for a deflection structure given the familiarity with the watershed and its technical resources such as professional geologists, engineers, and importantly, the county's ability to reach out to state and federal agencies with emergency construction those of the district on its own. The board directed staff to continue pursuing county state assistance considering mitigation measures for Harmon Creek and report back to the board. On October 28, 2020, Santa Cruz County Fifth District Supervisor Bruce McPherson facilitated a meeting specifically to address recommendations in the work report. Intending this meeting were the authors of the work report, several members from Cal OES, Department of Conservation, Cal Fire, County Flood Control, County Public Works Director, representatives of the district, there was a total of 19 participants. Bruce McPherson's office released a summary of the meeting and it's the summary goes that the purpose of the meeting was to discuss the San Lorenzo Valley Water District questions regarding the work report relative to mitigation debris, mitigating debris flows specifically in Harmon Creek. As described by various state representatives on the call, the purpose of the work report was to provide data and a rapid assessment of conditions after the CZU lightning incident and not meant to be interpreted as a comprehensive list of recommendations. Work report focused on life safety and provided data to the local community to use, analyze and develop their own local emergency response plans and projects. It was affirmed that public and private property owners are responsible for debris flow mitigation on their property and whether or not to do mitigation. Relative to Harmon Creek, there was a consensus among meeting attendance that it could be useful for the district to clean up choke spots identified in the work report, which may help with small or medium sized debris flows. There was further discussion or consensus that mitigation measures would not protect property and life safely in the event of a major storm. So educating the community regarding the urgency to evaluate or to evacuate when notified would continue to be very important. Lastly, it was affirmed that the use of K-Rail was not advisable as they could become projectiles during a major debris flow event. District representatives expressed a desire to do the basic choke spot cleanup as was specifically identified in the meeting and preferred to do so with proper permits. To that end, it was agreed that Rick Rogers would receive contact information as follow. The Cal OES, the contract to the get permits for the Clean Water Act Fish and Wildlife Regulations. County Public Works was going to supply information for the process to inform Fish and Wildlife about completing an emergency project. Other follow-up discussed in addition to the major communications program, the county is coordinating to inform the community regarding debris flows and evacuation plans. The McPherson office would reach out to the Boulder Creek Elementary School, the Boulder Creek Cemetery and the Boulder Creek Business Association below Harmon Gulch. Moving forward, a unified message regarding the urgency to evacuate when notified will be consistent from all cooperating agencies. In the summer eyes, the district is moving forward obtaining emergency permits to remove the choke points identified in the work report above the cemetery in Harmon Creek. As soon as permits are obtained, contract labor will be used to facilitate removing the choke points in which it's estimated to be a three-day project. Additionally, the district will continue communicating with the public about the hazards associated with possible landslides and debris flows and update its internal response plans for the protection of the public water facilities in the event of an emergency. The work in Harmon Creek will not alleviate the need to evacuate as directed by the county and residents must be informed and prepared for winter rains. With that, I'll add that the permit process is more or less a notice to agencies that we are moving forward with the project as an emergency response to the wildfire and to the potential for debris flows. This project is considered to removing these choke points are where the stream would most likely leave the flow channel and come down Harmon Road down by the school. If we clean this one choke point out, most likely the stream will stay in its channel. We will not know that until after the events. It's a small measure to take in the watershed, but it's a very important one. If we can keep the stream in its channel, I think we'll be as good as we can get in the amount of time that we have to address this. We feel that rain will be coming shortly. We can move in there and get this project done within a week. We can do erosion control. We will use best management practices and digging in the stream channel. There's a very small, excuse me, there's a very small flow of water in this creek. So our best practices will be we will do a small creek bypass with some small irrigation pipe. We will use silt netting to ensure that we do not send turbidity downstream and we will obtain a biologist to be on project during excavation. Those are the key usually to any time you work into a stream. With that, I'll kind of give it back to the board and try to answer some of your questions if possible. Thank you, Rick. So as I understand it, then there's not going to be any deflection barriers constructed or there's no recommendation to do that and it's individual property owners. Excuse me, if we if we remove the choke point and that choke point is where the stream would back up and then leave the channel and go down the roadway. It was kind of the general consensus by removing that choke point. You probably wouldn't have to do any barriers downstream because it would stay in its creek bed or in the flow channel. You won't know. There's no guarantees but it was felt pretty comfortable that that would work and they did not recommend taking on a project of putting up KRL or barriers and if private people wanted to do and there felt and there was some feeling that there's this responsibility of homeowners to do some mitigation if they felt necessary. And the aspect of communication and advising, it sounds like the county is going to take the lead on communication regarding the need for being aware of evacuation if if the need arises. That's correct and staff attended a meeting today with the county personnel and all mapping and information should be out Monday, Tuesday of next week. Pretty much all the maps and all the evacuation information is completed but they didn't get a chance to get it out today and they wanted to be available to answer questions. The county is on furlough tomorrow so they're putting everything out starting Monday. Right. Thank you, Rick. Any any other questions or comments from the board? Director Moran. Okay, I'll go first. Thank you. Thanks, President Swan. Rick, I went up there today to the cemetery and looked at that site and where is the stream in relation to the IOS cemetery. I didn't see a stream. You have to go past the cemetery. There's a second gate and I'd be more happy to take you Rick or James would either one of us it's a quick it was about another 500 yards maybe up from that second gate at the cemetery. Okay, well I went into the cemetery. Okay, the road right to the left of there and you can take that road up where right when you get to the end of that road is where the actual work is meant to be done. Okay, great. All right. So that would be great James if we could do that. So what I noticed is so this was the edge of the fire what I saw down at the cemetery and I was pleased to see that plants are growing back. There's sprouts happening and but the the one thing that is obviously evident then when you're driving up there is the school is right below there and you want to do as much as you can you know what you want to do as much as reasonably possible to protect that school in any kind of minor rain, big rain, any kind of rain. So I agree with the priority of Harmon Creek area. So the other thing that I wanted to say is I saw you had the the big flash and sign already and it said what exactly did it say I drove by it quickly but debris flow area what did it say debris flow danger and it gives you the numbers to put into your cell phone so you'll be notified that's a joint project that we're working with the county Boulder Creek fire and SLB water to put a changeable message sign out. Right so that was all great so thank you for answering my questions and it was interesting going up there and seeing what could potentially happen. Oh well one other question excuse me so if you're doing this project is it handwork or is a bulldozer excavator going up there you know trying to avoid erosion? It'll be an excavator you know we're going to reach out to one or two of the local contractors we do have a couple local contractors that do have that kind of equipment right in downtown Boulder Creek and like we estimate two to a three-day job with erosion control and you know basically they just go they'll go up and sit on the embankment use that big excavator track layer excavator that has a it will not really disturb the embankment there for a big piece of equipment it's rather light and it's right off of the the access road so they'll sit there and they'll just dig in and pull it pull it back up you know there's a big fir tree that came down and we'll pull that out and and we'll we'll beef up that embankment and then we'll erosion control and get out of there. So when you say erosion control is that the burlap netting? Yes and PG&E needs to get in there and do because that's also the PG&E access road that they cross our property to go up where they replaced all the poles that go up to empire grade and so they need to get in there and finish up their erosion control as well. And one other question I saw about a two inch pipe on the side black plastic pipe is that water district's pipe or? Yes that's a temporary line running over to feed those two homes right there at the end of Harman it comes over to Redwood because they're where they sit is a little high for the water to come around and get to them and we never established those connections so they've always been ran back there and so that's another project that's going into Teemaw. Yeah that was burned by the fire and if you saw Rick that fire came right down to the school field right down to the cemetery and right down to the back of that last house by the main gate. Yeah thank you very much both of you for your answers James and Rick. Lois you've got your blue hand. Yeah so are you mainly focused on Harman Creek because there's a possibility that you can do something to mitigate the debris flow where other areas it might be impossible to do anything? Well we're not really going to mitigate the debris flow we're just trying to keep it in the channel in the actual channel instead of letting the debris flow or the creek jump the creek and go down the roadways you know it's mapped to where it'll go right down Harman Street into the school and then down I think it's oak and then down loman down to the operations building or down to highway 236. I mean that sounds incredibly large flow and volume but it could go any of those ways and and the reason we're doing this is to try to mitigate and so it doesn't go down that way so it stays in the channel but we were not doing anything to control the amount of debris slow it down it's just to remove what the geologist called a choke point. So if getting rid of the choke point doesn't if it's a huge debris flow is the choke getting rid of the choke point going to help or not? I can't answer that but I think it's going to help you know that's that's that's not my okay no I mean it's it's going to help in a way no matter what it's going to help you know the majority of the debris stay in the channel but I mean an excessive one that's too big for the channel yeah it's obviously you know it's going to help but it's not going to mitigate at all. It's going to go down the channel. So when I went up Clear Creek Road and saw all the burnt out homes and I did see one home where they were doing something to protect their hillside they were taking care of it themselves but a lot of the homes were burnt out and Clear Creek you could see all the debris and and everything that could come down there and I realize the the I probably won't even say it right the fan the alluvial fan is so huge there by the post office that if Clear Creek just went crazy that there would probably be nothing that could be done because it's a big fan and and I guess it would all have to be dealt with by evacuation and you know I hear people say the creek isn't very big and let me tell you Lompeco Creek looks like nothing usually but when there's heavy rains it's a raging torrent it's just crazy you don't want to find yourself in the creek and so I I'm just concerned about other places in the valley and I get what you're talking about with Harmon Creek and that's really dangerous but so is Clear Creek and what's the other creek I I didn't look at that one but I really I agree with you but what happens is on Harmon Creek we're on district property when you were you're at up on Clear Creek you're down on private property and you're in the county and state right away county will respond to those culverts along Clear Creek state Cal Trans Department of Highways they'll respond down on the highway nine they'll take over those responsibilities and both county and state are gearing up I mean that's clearly in the responsibility of those two agencies our property on Clear Creek ends all the way I mean doesn't start until the end of Clear Creek Road okay okay so none of that debris stuff could be coming from any of our property is that's what you're saying I can't say that I mean we're upstream there's no doubt but yeah we have no choke points we have no choke points and there's and it's not just for property and it's out of the responsibility of the district and there's other agencies that should step up in the county right away the county should step up in the state right away the state will step up yeah and the whole point of Harmon is we're clearing out the choke point and we have no identified choke points on these other creeks and we'll just build up a bigger debris flow so that's why we're focused on Harmon and you know it's like at the at our meetings that we've had this is a joint effort by all agencies not just you know Santa Rosa Valley water we all have to do our part and I'm I'm really confident that the county and state they're really planning this out you know they're they're looking at Montecito and the big difference between Montecito is that Montecito didn't have very long they only had like two weeks to plan before the rains came and and their vegetation and so forth is different they don't have the redwoods and the forest but they're gearing up for that type of work along Third Creek Road they know about it they've been contacting homeowners they've actually went out Third Creek Road house to house looked at tree to tree you know they're out evaluating everything along the county and state Highlands okay thank you thank you Lois uh but I think Lou had his hand up uh first Steve I only see your hand up oh okay maybe he put his hand down um yeah following up on what Lois was asking about Rick I'm I'm still a little confused in this so we have a number of creeks that cross our watershed property that presumably would be sources of debris and you know any kind of rain at some level um and certainly even a light rain if the ground saturated there's going to be a runoff um are we saying that there is no barriers or any other kind of obstruction in any of the other creeks other than Harman Creek when I say that I'm referring to the work report and I don't know the waters they talked about all the different stream but the Harman Creek was the stream that was um outlined uh that could leave the channel um you know I I haven't been up and walked like nor am I you know qualified on that but the geologists supposedly have been up on all the watersheds uh in the county um and the difference between as you get up in our watershed the stream channels are very steep where where Harman comes right up to the road where the clear creek and foreman those are steep you know canyons uh it's very difficult the stream can move around in that canyon but it can't come out like it like in like the bottom of Harman and now when it gets down these streams get down to highway nine you know there's there's culverts there uh that Caltrans is supposedly having a rapid response crews in the San Lorenzo Valley that are going to be at these points uh to respond but and we're not talking you know I don't want to get into this because I'm really not this is not my my wheelhouse but we're not talking about saturation we're talking about a little amount of rain in a very short time that can cause debris flows the first rains are going to be the worst uh those are the ones that are going to give us the the debris flows from what I understand um and that's why they're putting together this very sophisticated early warning system based on soil moistures and rainfall they I think they have a close to a dozen rain gauges from one end of the of the county to the other and working with many of the of the weather agencies it's the first rains that are going to be the most dangerous and it's a very small amount of water in 15 minutes and and that could be at least some rain could be within two weeks according to the long range forecast so um I was interested in the statement about the k-rail um and becoming projectiles how is k-rail installed typically several ways it usually pins together you know there's hooks and a daisy chains with a pin together um you know there's ways that you could put k-rail in and anchor but I I think that they're looking at you know just going out and putting k-rail on the ground like the state does for traffic barriers is probably not sufficient you'd want to cable them in yeah yeah no I mean I would I wouldn't even dream that somebody would just put things on top of the ground at least we wouldn't do it or the county wouldn't do it but I was I was a little concerned about that because it it makes it sound like well if we can't have a perfect solution we shouldn't try to do anything with k-rail at all um I'm concerned about letting the perfect media enemy of the good I'm certainly hoping for a winner with no heavy heavy rains that would generate a major debris flow but it seems to me like the county has basically determined that they are not going to make any of their resources available for any kind of design work like that and as we discussed our last meeting the district our district with a you know 10 to 12 million dollar budget is really too small to have that kind of specialized resources on board the county budget is more like 900 million and so they have those kind of people available is that kind of the the message that we should be taking away reading between the lines here you know not on Harman I mean at this meeting there you know this project went from you know there was several discussions on the scope of this project and the original project was probably more than we could get completed before the rains it was you know a lot of k-rail or a lot of deflection structure you know a lot of engineering those types of things what we're looking at we're settling on is a go up there restore the creek natural channel so you're not engineering you're going in there and removing material that has come down from previous storms over the last 20 years probably and has built a sandbar up so you're going in there and restoring the creek so you're not really doing a lot of engineering and not changing the flow of water and I have the county geologist and I had several from Cali asked to say let us know when you're doing this and we'll come out and so it's going to be it's going to be what I envision you know four or five of us standing there with white hard hats on watching the excavator dig and say that's good and restoring the channel yeah I get that but are they looking at do I mean as Rick said earlier the schools there the cemeteries there that the town is there are they looking at doing anything in addition to that over a longer period of time yes this is something that can get done it sounds like within a couple of weeks perhaps but are they looking at doing anything more to reinforce that area up there over a longer period of time where they basically just saying hey we're done we're not going to take this on they have not indicated that they're going to do any other mitigation measures do we know why I couldn't speak for the county I know they're they're pushing all their resources in on evacuation safety and you know dealing with the debris flows as they come you know but the geologists aren't going to be working on evacuation that's a different sort of set of people the technical resources to design additional protection for our critical infrastructure up there are different folks so are they worried about getting sued I can't answer that I can't I can't answer that there's going to be a Bruce McPherson's gonna have a town hall coming up at Highlands Park once one thing that's came out of all this to get message out I mean those would be good channels that to discuss that he's getting ready to to facilitate a town hall meeting with all of the experts as well I mean if you're worried about getting sued at least you want to get sued for doing the right thing right now basically what it sounds like is everybody's on their own I find that a little bit confusing because on the one hand the county is taking a very active role in cleanup from this but on the other hand it sounds like they're basically saying hey we're not going to touch any kind of protection issues so I know we have tried to talk to people about private companies about doing design work around this and they basically all said hey the liabilities too much I would suppose that private individuals could hire those same companies but they'd probably be looking for indemnification from individual land of private owners whereas a public agency I think their fear is probably we might give them indemnification but the public could still sue them so it sounds to me like this is you know getting more into lawyer time than anything else on the job for clearing out Harman Creek is that a prevailing wage job yes okay and the people that we've talked to were willing to take that on yes and and the one contractor works for Cal OES and does do emergency response and they do prevailing wage these contractors do okay good um yeah I'm really disappointed in the outcome of the meeting from the point of view of protecting our critical infrastructure up there I guess we should all hope and pray that you know we don't get major storms but at the end of the day if we have not taken on working with the county or the county's not taken on protecting that infrastructure I don't I think there's going to be a lot of a lot of fallout from that should any of those structures up there get destroyed or damaged in in significant ways um okay so um do we know when uh supervisor McPherson's going to have that town hall no I'm trying we're trying to buy that down it should be like in the second week of November you'd like to do it before the rainy season and because there's a lot of questions on evacuation and the county's response well what well has the county indicated that if private individuals wanted to do their own structures that there wouldn't be a lot of red tape or bureaucracy around permitting and that sort of thing that people could basically get it done right away as long as they could hire somebody you know again I can't speak for the county but what they've indicated the type of the type of response mitigation would be more of a sandbag because I know that they're putting sandbag stations throughout the San Lorenzo Valley for people to to get sandbags and do that type of their own mitigation as far as building some type of you know engineered structure I you have to refer that to the county I I think we're we're we're falling really short of our number one duty to our community which is protection of life and property and I get the evacuation that's certainly not mutually exclusive in my view but um the rest of it is um yeah we're the rest of it we're falling short thanks for uh thanks for the answers rick and doing that um look forward to getting that harmon free clear down and we'll continue with this item either on the regular agenda or special meeting agenda is to keep the board updated and get you information let you know when this has been completed great thank you now on this project I I am finding the county very supportive and you know I you know I thank Supervisor McPherson it took him to get all the players in the room you know and that's what I've tried to explain that I can't get all those players in the room I can get right well I mean it's it's basically no risk no liability for them at this point so that's that's kind of why they decided to go you know it it was I appreciated that we got these players in the room and that we're moving forward you know that's I get it I get it thank you good thing about uh direct ferris thank you president swan is there any precedent for the district doing these choke point clearing in the past have we done it before we've done debris flow clearing from stream channels in the past yes okay my second question is um not dealing with the the eastern slope of the ben loman mountain where most of our property is our other properties in the district are there are they at risk for debris flow to our knowledge no and there I look at the mapping today no but you know the director of operations is working on a couple key facilities that are in the fire zone that did have fire come right to them with erosion control measures he's working with one of our consulting contractors and our consulting engineers to put our facilities that are in the fire areas that are in debris flow areas to protect and our one of our biggest is our curvy water or our felton or our plumber or lion water treatment plant in boulder creek and we've moved most of the debris above it and they're installing some k-rail uh to just to protect the back section of the treatment plant projectiles yeah well not we don't believe they will be because these would be the debris flows just into the into the plant and not stream flow uh just to protect the plant we are very concerned about our water treatment plant and a couple other facilities up there thank you rick thank you lou any other questions or comments from any of the directors if not i'll go to the uh participants and the attendees we have beth thomas calling you thank you president swan um thanks for the great information rick uh one a couple of questions have occurred to me you know there's some information around in the community that I think is confusing and suggests that the water district is responsible for more areas than you're talking about tonight and I suspect that that is the difference between I mean the question I have basically is has the county been the one who identified harman as the area that there were choke points that need to be dealt with and if that's the case have they identified any other areas are we not discussing other areas because they haven't identified them well the work report that identified uh that was completed by um cal fire and conservation district um county did not do that report you know they sent that report out and they're using that report um in their mapping and they're also using the county geologist to kind of what took the work report and then went off of the work report and did additional um but the biggest and again harman was in the work report as one that something you know could be done to keep the the flow in the channel and I know I've said that a lot that's important and and that has a chance to mitigate um and keep that stream flow I'm coming down in the boulder creek it's not a guarantee right there's no guarantee on that but the likelihood is will be reduced so the work report did not identify our cal fire did not identify any other particular areas that the water district should be doing something similar as with harman well it identified a lot of areas that should you know that that should be looked at and made recommendations but not like harman and not specifically to the water district yeah that's what I'm talking about yeah okay I think that's important for people now right that's that thank you thank you Beth uh Gail you had your hand up what I just thought I would add is that um it's important to remember that the work report was done very quickly came out very early on and many of the things that they identified were just kind of quick ideas and and I think that the uh deflection barrier um on harman creek was an example of that and um there's been quite a bit more work done by Jeff Nolan who's the county geologist um the other thing I would point out is that the basin that harman creek um drains is very tiny and so the usgs modeling of the sizes of debris flows that would come down there is very small compared to ones that would come down foreman creek p-vine creek uh clear creek literally a hundred times smaller and so what that means is that the kind of mitigation they're talking about where you go out and clear out that place in um the creek where it goes from being steep to where it flattens out and spreads out along the louisville fan you actually have some hope of it being effective um because the debris flows are likely to be small there and and so I think that's part of the reason that this makes sense me um is that it it actually might work on the other hand if you tried to do this in clear creek or foreman creek or p-vine creek um you know take a bunch of uh logs out first it's not on uh district land because our land is all further upstream whereas harman creek it's our land that the choke point is on um there are choke points on foreman p-vine clear creek on on most of the streams coming down there but they're not on district land so what they're suggesting is I think you know it's a sensible thing to do it's not a super expensive thing to do um and so I'm all for it um and I I think that you know based on the modeling that's been done um this is a good response thank you yeah any other questions or comments from any of the attendees I don't see any okay okay back to the panel uh director vaults I'm going to hope for a rain year that is favorable for us we can get through the first year maybe the second year won't be as bad um I and I'm looking forward to that um community meeting that may be held it sounds like at the time of the potential first rain reporting to the long-range forecast so at that point we may actually have some indication of what's going to happen right moran uh yes I just want to be uh clear that I support this uh three-day project to you know remove a choke point on harman creek I support that I don't think you're asking for any board action about this rick so I'm just providing information you know the board is obviously very concerned about this I and I understand why it should be uh and the board is given direction they want to be kept well informed and that is the purpose to keep you informed and we will continue to keep you informed well with that new information I uh support the project going ahead thank you director Henry well I I heard rick moran talk about seeing sprouts of plants coming up and we do need some rain hopefully nothing too major because we need plants and things to come back and help control the erosion that happens when it's just bare ground we we we do need uh some growth on on these hillsides that's all and oh I I go along with whatever uh rick has laid out to try to take care of this problem I'll go along with rick moran on that one and rick rogers any further uh questions or comments by anybody on the board anybody on the staff I just like to to leave with saying that everybody and you all as board members talk to a lot of people it's important that folks follow the instructions of the county they're I think I really believe they're on top of this evacuation in the early warning system and so forth don't get complacent tell tell people they say evacuate evacuate be prepared this has the potential to be a very serious dangerous to life and property event if the county says evacuate evacuate it's important that we follow and it's not saturation here the first rains could trigger this it's a little rain in 15 minutes it's a small amount of rain because nothing's going to soak in it's going to run off and I can't emphasize enough to follow the county's recommendations you know the sheriff will be out going door to door on evacuations I mean they're taking this extremely serious and I can't say enough that we need to follow and recommend to folks to to follow the county's evacuation orders also everybody in these areas can expect to be seeing a CERT team start circling the areas going door to door and getting headcounts and giving information out starting I do believe Monday there will be a CERT team going throughout every one of these areas who would be the the key contact person from the media standpoint at the water district if they wanted to find out more about this so that they could make their to the county Steve of on evacuations and so forth I mean we're conduit and trying to pass stuff out but you want to find out more about like Harman watershed or the this Harman project I would recommend they contact me but as far as pre-planning evacuation and those type of things I strongly recommend to the county the ones that are planning this and have all information we speak with one voice on this all right thank you Rick Moran yes in trying to follow up on what Rick is saying here um you know this valley has become really acquainted with evacuations but um the thing that it reminded me of is we have to be prepared for an earthquake and it's a you know there's no forewarning about that so you know at least maybe we'll have some rain to be telling us what's coming here but um you know our history with earthquakes has given us some idea of how to be quick and know what to take with us during an evacuation thank you be prepared okay any uh anybody have any final parking comments or thoughts no with that okay well the uh we'll call this meeting adjourned and thank you all very much for your participation and Rick thank you for the great information and uh thank you all the staff that uh put it together yeah all right thank you good evening