 Hello everybody. E here. Welcome back to another live stream I'm E of course I'm sorry I'm still kind of screwed up with my intros because I'm switching back from church of the chair to Edward Lorne So anyways, this is that this is Chad say hi Chad. Hey everybody anyways And I'm gonna be honest with you. I ain't even told Chad this yet this morning. I am not feeling today I am I'm here. I am exhausted I have two more videos to shoot today, and I am done with 31 days of Halloween Everything else is already uploaded Scheduled and all that stuff, but I am exhausted. I am absolutely burned out and I was gonna be like, hey, let's uh Let's let's have another day off Then I thought about it like no that day off will turn into two days off and that will I was ready for another week off it'll it'll it'll snowball down Um, but uh, if you want to take extra days off this week, that's fine But I'm here. I need to get the thing though, man It's I would love to but I really am pushing and want to be done before November Oh, yeah, because nano-rimo. I'm doing nano-rimo and So I want to yeah, I what I mean we I don't know how long we've been working on this I'm sure you could tell probably from your videos for six weeks five five six weeks Um, and we and I know we're over the halfway point. Yeah, so I figure The rough draft, you know four more weeks at it Well, we're a month worth of videos in So we've done at least because we're on episode 30 today So it's at least been a month worth of videos. Yeah Yeah, I would like to I would I would love to take a little time off. It was nice taking that time off I just had other stuff that it, you know And it it it gave me a chance to I didn't get as cut up. There's a there is a very large chunk I'm gonna I'm gonna read it today. I like going break so And I probably only I think we're at something like 117 pages or something like that, but that like three or four of those include I think I'm only like 10 pages behind now rather than like 20 or 30 that's right. Oh We shall see and Hello Kobe. Hello Jordan. How y'all doing? I don't think Kobe's in here anymore. Jordan might even be gone But anyways the point of this stream, I'm sorry I'm completely out of it today as you can tell by the intro but the point of the stream is we are collaborating on a book called Planet caravan and We are bouncing back and forth But the the point is motivation inspiration or a relaxing chill stream for people who who who need who want that need that whatever Also to show you guys how our process works You can find much more of that in earlier episodes now We are just like we are aimed at the ending and just trying to get there We have a lot to accomplish in the in Let's see here. We were shooting for 70,000 words. We're already at 50 We have a lot to accomplish in the next 20 to 30,000 words and that's three phone calls some time jumps the missing coke I liked your idea About having someone else get booted for drugs So we definitely need time jumps to these to these things We've set up the carnival. We got all the characters in place and now we can set up the The time jumps and whatever After I guess after the first phone call And I figure we'll get to all right Jordan I'm gonna get to the first phone call today the check-in and then After that, I'm I'm suspecting there's gonna be some kind of time jump because he's already working on that bumper cars. Oh No, I have to go back. That's that's right I forgot that I have to go back and finish that unless you did it the chapter in between No, okay. I'll finish I'll finish that up do a little more with with fuck Carla Is Carla the bumper car girl? Yeah, that I've I've also done. Yeah, well once again in my defense I have gone from this This cast of characters and I am now rereading and going over a project that has 902,000 words and Has a cast of 60 important people 60 people so I am now trying to remember that's why I'm gonna go back and read a day I told myself I was gonna go back this week the the week that we were off and read the entire thing But that's gonna have to wait until my next day off. I need to finish up the videos Hey Viking, I need to finish up the 31 days of Halloween videos And then I'll have time and then in November I'm not I don't know that I'm done in nano RIMO every single year whether I've announced it or not And I have no ever ever since 2011 so I don't want to break my streak But at the same time, I just don't see the purpose because I'm gonna be writing anyways. I don't know. I might who knows Either that or me and Derek can start our book for For November so but I am I am definitely being stretched between Numerous projects and I'm with you It's got to get done by November it has to because I can't keep doing this and everything else And write my own stuff and get this big project ready for publication and and and and and so I'm with you So it's a race to the finish at this point for me, too Which is one of the things that I was gonna say when you brought up, you know double working you Yeah, you might not we might not have that issue from here on out because I'm gonna want to get done as quick as possible So it's only gonna be pertinent details But at the same time, I don't want to do too little so so I want to give this my all I want to give it a hundred percent effort But at the same time, yes, it means don't worry about you know, like if you if you normally get 1200 Words in in an hour or whatever you only end up getting 450 You know, if they're tighter and they're just I mean it doesn't matter About the word count that that's true But at the same time when I get in here and I start writing one of two things is it gonna happen Either I'm gonna burn through it and I'm not gonna have enough description Or I am going to get wordy as hell because I don't know what to do next and that's what you ran into With that with the last couple of you know Whatever however many pages that you edited Was me trying to get to the next point and not knowing what to do So I end up dropping the word vomit, which is just filler and maybe there's a good good idea in there and as you said, you know, you cut 75% of it and Shit like that happens to me all the time I've had I've had books that were 90,000 words long That ended up being about 55,000 words at the end of it because I had cut over half of it I'm not over half to almost half of it and the reason for that is that stupid word vomit You know, I get in there and I try to do that, but if I try to work like you Doing the sometimes it comes natural like with South here was pretty pretty tight to begin with Sometimes it comes natural, but most of the time It's you know, it's you know, I need to get to this point But I need to have enough build-up and then I have too much build-up and I have to trim So sometimes I either it comes from it's the same with songwriting Sometimes Like if I want to I Remember when I had read I had written skull face boy and it was very lean And I was in like this lean mindset with the vignettes And then I was like well just to make sure that it's as lean as I would like it and how I like to read I read J David Oddsborn's black gum again Not that the world's greatest book, but it's a good example of You know super lean and trusting the reader to the point of Potential alienation so I and so I think that like maybe I don't know what you were reading when you read So or when you wrote south of here, but that kind of thing for me. Anyway, I get kind of influenced 25 almost 30 years ago when I wrote was writing some short stories. Yeah, I Read a ton of Poe and you could see that in my yeah stuff It was very verbose and I tried to make it kind of dense and fancy and it's not me It didn't read bad, but it's just that's not me. So So yeah helping to and I've cut way back on reading Indie Stuff a lot of good indie stuff out there a lot of frickin horrible in these stuff out there Yeah, a lot of horrible indie stuff out there. That's it gets praised big time and I don't think that that helps anybody I don't think that helps any writers who be stuck reading that kind of stuff. You want to set the bar higher But I lose you so I heard I heard higher you I think I start talking because I could tell that I that I froze. Yeah No, I agree with everything you said the funny part about South of here is I was reading You And I had been reading Oh, thank you for the review. I saw the review. Thank you. I appreciate that Yeah, definitely taking the time to do that. Yeah, that of course for reading it that the fucking book is yeah, it's great I mean, I just reiterate every I would just reiterate everything I said in the review other than the spoilers I like how you know subtly the other element Not subtly I would say the kind of slap in the face when you get to that point You're like what where the fuck did this come from? There was like no, there's there's nothing here letting me know It's like the bloody panties in South of here And that's I think that's one of the things that I did with you know when because I was reading so much of your stuff at The time with South of here It was one of those things where you do that too. You'll just drop the this thing this, you know Whatever and and make a make a point of it But yeah, so I was reading you but oddly enough I was also reading a shit ton of literary fiction that was wordy as hell I was reading big thick chunkers of like the Stones of Summer by down down Mosman who no one has fucking read It was only 7,000 copies in the world It's it's back up for sale after like 30 years of it not being for sale But anyways, it's 660 pages of the most Mind-fuck rambling meandering that you have ever read because the main character is schizophrenic So it is absolutely batshit crazy, especially the last part the first part is a coming-of-age section I don't know why I'm talking about this in detail But I think it's crazy the first section is a coming-of-age very grounded almost Stephen King kind of coming-of-age story The second one is a very American graffiti story about a group of teenagers as the kids gotten older with a very tragic ending and then after that tragic ending his schizophrenia kicks into high gear and he moves to Mexico and he goes completely insane and It's very well described in the book without telling you, you know, what's wrong with him But at the same time it is such a jarring situation it perfectly done. Don't get me wrong. It's just no fun to read Because it it gives you the literal feeling of someone who has had a pretty much normal life up until this tragedy And then you go then this person, you know went went south So I thought I thought it was I thought it was brilliant to an extent But at the same time I only gave it three stars because at the end of it I was like I did not enjoy reading this whatsoever. Hey, Alec. How you doing? Hey, century. How you doing? So I was reading very verbose stuff that's all about theme and and character and Drama and all that and I was also reading your stuff Which is very light as far as the word count is concerned and I pretty much grabbed Not not your style because I did the same style with Hope for the Wicked and pennies for the damned But I've kind of returned to that style and a bunch of other stuff I can't name but I returned to that style and then but at the same time giving the depth of You know the literary fiction with you know dropping certain items here and there that you know at first glance don't mean anything like the belt in a in South of here The belt the panties, you know little little nods throughout there all that stuff was you know That's a little bit of you But it was mostly the literary fiction that I was reading because in literary fiction If you're if you see something there's a purpose for it no matter what it is no matter how small There's a purpose for it because these folks go and choose line by line what they're going to say That's it's everything has to serve a purpose Everything has to fit the theme and the revolving narrative and so on and so forth So yeah, but that's what I was reading. I was reading huge thick literary fiction And I was reading you that was all I was reading at that point in time because I wrote it so quickly Even though I wrote it by hand. I still wrote it in like two weeks I think and it was it was considerably longer by about five to ten thousand words But literally all of that was the hand-holding you were talking about and all the stuff that you cut the 75% that you Cut it was all that it was just me, you know It's what it's called by rope description is like, you know, it's not really needed. It's just telling you shit It's already, you know, I don't know but it's it's the one, you know Sometimes I have a hard time with suspension disbelief depending on the author and how they handle it but my biggest problem with with Is that hand-holding I Almost to the point that it pisses me off like if I'm reading something I want to be I could I want to be trusted to the point where I might have to stop and read what you just said again Because you are trusting me so much to know what you're saying And so so many authors So many authors that that that I know that that have put out several books are still doing that And I'm just because he drives me crazy because people complain if you don't the the How am I gonna say this without like shitting on all modern reviewers? People will literally complain when they have to a look something up when they have to Re-read a section because they didn't get it the first time It breaks their immersion or whatever you see it in the in reviews all the time and It It's because people complain about it. I mean that honestly, that's yeah, but but you're right Viking people complain no matter What you do so you might as well do whatever the fuck you're going to and I'm not even talking about the kind of hand-holding I'm talking about is like if you've already shown me that something is intense I don't want to hear what the protagonist thinks about this situation the situation is already there I'm watching it unfold who cares what this guy that we know what he thinks by his actions that the Situations and I think that's why I had so much fun with skull face boy because through the entire thing Starting from this kid's got a skull for a face deal with it We're not talking about this again Except for when it's meant, you know, we're not going to talk about why or how he functions or anything This is what you get and then everything else after that kind of set the way where I Almost I wanted to feel almost like not bizarro because like in but you know how in bizarro Things aren't are supposed to be normal. We don't talk about how bizarre they are right then. It's not a sorrow magical realism It's yeah, if you've got your protagonist going I was scratching my head and I thought that's really weird You that's what ruins the bizarreness of it. So if you've got your Your protagonist or your narrator or whatever You know scratching his head or saying or commenting on anything that takes me right out I'm gonna I'm gonna call someone out right now because of what you just said Gregor zane if you were watching this or you're watching this some other time This has a new book out what he just I know what he just said is Is why I compared him to Haruki Minakami because Haruki Minakami does the same exact fucking thing He goes in he tells you what's happening Nobody reacts to how fucking weird it is I remember reading killing common dentore or common Commendator whatever the hell you how are you pronounce it and This dude finds a whole world in this pit like different arching paths and all this stuff and it's just oh Where does this go? You know that kind of thing he never wonders wet what it is You know what any of that shit he just literally goes. Oh, here's this hole Let me go into the hole and then the hole goes it has like branching pathways this I think Gregor's Theory was that is a corpus? Compendium I can't remember something happened to do with the brain and how each character that the tunnels lead to are like the The firing of the brain the different sections of the brain leading to it. He he explains it much better but Anyways, that's exactly why I compared you to Haruki Minakami is because he will just state the fact and move the fuck on Another person who's good with that is Chuck Pollanik Chuck Pollanik used to write 600 page Stephen King tones He's talked about it several times none of them got published And then he he wrote Fight Club and he cut like a hundred thousand words out of it and came back to it and submitted, you know submitted that after he cleaned it up and It it sold but none of his 600 page tomes sold because it was just you know wordy verbose hand-holding all that stuff is it's the same thing and David Lynch, you know, I think might be where I get that is Absolutely excellent at that if you watch his Movies, even it's more straightforward Ford ones, which are my favorite like blue velvet and wild heart Everything that weird that happens in there is never questions. Just nobody nobody has like any weird, you know Strange like this. This is just the world. This is just what it is what it is and I I don't know I just love that I love that kind of setup. Um, I love it if it's done if it's done well If it's consistent, you know that kind of thing I've never had that issue with you, but also, you know, write enough outlandish shit for me to you know Like I have it have an issue with that the most outlandish thing I've read of yours a skull face boy and that's surprisingly grounded When it when it comes down to it, you know, dude has a skull for a face and that's just it We're gonna move on with our our lives and in any other record I'm not I'm not a bizarro fan, but I do like Elements of that in a in a like you said in a I guess in a grounded story I like elements of it in there, but when it goes so like weird for the sake of being weird Yeah, there's a bizarro author that I cannot stand. He is a good dude amazing person But his books I just I can't do it and I cannot remember his name. It's it has Paul in it and a three He's a third and he's a bizarro author and at William Paul He's talking about Carlton mellig. No, not Carlton mellig the third. There's another one oddly enough. That is a third I'm not talking about Carlton Patrick Harrison the third. No, he writes Damn it. Hang on. What is it super max boot the third? Right. Yeah Thurston howl the third That might have went over your head. No, no, I know Gilligan's Island. Are you okay kidding me, dude? I'm 43 not 23. Shit. Anyways, no it did not go. Oh my god. Anyways But I am offended. I am offended. I mean you go all the way back to Lucy and I would get your references I grew up my it was everything was Nick Nick at night and not AMC TCM and all the classic stuff. Yeah, that's all that was on television when I was younger, but anyways I did it It's I can't I I know he's published by Grindhouse at least one book But he did one that was like an ultra super violent Mario Brothers world And he called it like super crunk brothers or some shit like that That's not it. I just try to look it up But anyways, he did that and it is the most batshit crazy thing I have ever read period and I've read a lot of bizarro and you know, anyways That kind of thing I don't like where you're just taking me to another world dropping me in not explaining anything You don't have any rules. There's there's nothing. There's no magic system Nothing is just the most wild and wacky shit that you can think of with no purpose whatsoever And I think that's what sets Gregor Zane apart Well, it's definitely what sets Gregor Zane apart because his stuff is still relatively grounded And then there's this Insane situation going on over here on the side and but there's other things the characters have feelings, you know emotions. They react to things, you know not maybe not as Much as a normal person in the normal world world might But it is it's definitely a there's definitely a reaction. It's just subtle But a Christian does that too and she's one of the greatest writers we have out there that nobody Yeah, he talks about yep I'm not gonna argue that her there's better stuff in her newsletter than there is. Yeah on Amazon. Honestly, man She's amazing. She I wish that she would she's so good that and And sometimes gets so weird that I wish that she would write like a normal book using that prose because it would It would just Floor everybody Yeah The people could separate the art from the artist. I think that's another thing is holding her back She's her own worst enemy as far as what she what she says and and her the people who she she tracks the wrong crowd That's that's for sure But I mean to each their own Her I cannot I cannot sit here and talk about about a writing them her writing is fucking fantastic That it is it's unparalleled in the indie in the indie scene In the small press scene period She definitely needs to be with a big house and she needs to be a household name but uh, yeah, that's uh, you know, I don't know what else to say other than that That's uh, yeah, she's she's fantastic and I've even told her, you know about her newsletter And I've shared her newsletter and I've been like, you know, there there are people out here with you know published books in the traditional Uh in the traditional landscape that aren't anywhere near as good as this period, you know But anyways, uh, I have to read what you wrote Um, what you rewrote just so I can be on the same page And then I need to do I need to take my break and we need to get to work. So That is what we are doing. Oh, I had another idea I've seen if you wanted do you wanted to start it or something if you were trying to think of something to write today in our little outline at the bottom uh I thought to help the even more so with the relationship with carla and um Shane to like maybe have that hit harder um As they're setting up or just before they set up or whatever maybe, um Carla takes Shane to town to get him a new pair of shoes Okay, yeah, we can do that I don't see any problem with that I couldn't remember how much of this first part you had read if any at all I'm gonna do that I'm actually surprised you wrote that Robot the uh um Well, we'll talk we'll talk later What no, what are you talking about? Well, it's it's something I don't I don't want to put your cursor Okay, well, it's already there if you want to revert what that's what I'm talking about I'm actually surprised you wrote it because you don't like point those things out Oh, um It's it it would have been anything. It's just one of those uh It's one of those uh You know how like when you when you call somebody by their name and then you call them by the older man the bigger man Yeah, I got no, I I got another way. It could have been anything I've never seen you I don't think I've ever seen you just like like full on like Class someone like I don't I don't know if there's there's no I don't I don't know And I don't I don't I've often said that you can never tell Yeah, you said it to me Most of my books you you don't even know what color these people are Uh, no, I I understand. That's why I was that's why I was shocked. That's why I was shocked But yeah, I put it in there to like like I said to like uh To have some kind of I don't know what the term is. Oh, we me and Darren almost got into well It was it was one of us um who was referring to a character as the NB The character was non-binary and there were several instances of it and I'm not gonna throw well I guess by saying I'm not gonna throw anybody into the bus. There's only two of us, but Um, so it doesn't really matter. I don't only put my foot in my mouth, but uh, I I brought up the issue I was like, you know, this is like saying the gay or you know the black and And he's like, I don't think it's an issue So he's he sent it to one of his trans friends and they're like, yeah, get get the fuck rid of that So, um, it's like, you know, just just just call them by their name or you know, they them it's You know, it's that's it and we were like and and those are the kind of simple Simple mistakes that you know people get in trouble for and that's considered Um malicious intent when it was literally just pointing out but I mean, of course you can go deeper than that Why do you feel the need to harp on it? Why the field? Why do you feel the need to do this? Just just talk about the character. So, I mean both sides of the argument have have valid points, but yeah, it's just What I'm getting at is the malicious intent thing you can never subscribe something to Something unless you were that person and you know that their intentions And a lot of the time it's it's an innocent intention it completely 100 innocent so it's just the way that it that it came out and You know, don't not every Not every conversation needs to be about systems of oppression. Did you see the section above your section? Section above my section Did I your pink section here that I've highlighted kind of like a Yeah, yeah, I read that last time. Yeah, I read that last time. Sorry Because I remember there was a we work on the wheel for the better part of the morning or whatever Well, you love some now in this section boy now now now Now now brown cow Oh god This this triggered me. I'm highlighting it Um because I had a editor at one point in time that would literally would have rewrote this To go that doesn't change How rough is the ride to get the You get the proper the proper grammar and I'm just like, oh Some things just need to be conversational. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, that's why I believe in, um Placing commas sometimes where they don't really belong According to the rules fair enough And I was like catching would do that too. It's uh, you know, just like what we you know fragmented sentences run on sentences beginning You know One word two word sentences. I mean I These are the grammatical rules, uh In writing are definitely made to be broken But not only because most of them were made during an antiquated time most of the I mean language that evolves Um, here's a discussion for you. I know we also my oldest has their very first job interview at one o'clock I need to well We we're done by noon every day. So that's not a bad Um A bad thing it's not like we got a rush But I do want to get something done today, but there's a couple good points The the evolution of language and how it's all made up anyways. Um talking about my bad being As good if not better than I apologize or I'm sorry because my bad denotes Where the blame lies whereas I'm sorry and I apologize just means that there is there's a regret involved But my bad is taking responsibility for it. I'm I'm loving the the arguments, you know I love the entomology of words and all that. Yeah, but it's also slang well, yeah, but Slaying becomes The proper language irregardless is now in the dictionary shit like that. But also I when I hear someone say my bad I think most people kind of take it as a almost like a half-assed apology. They do you're absolutely right. Um, but even with you know, I'm sorry can be taken that way or Um, I I apologize is a little more, you know neutral like you can only be taken one way. Um, but Uh, there is a lot to be said for My bad being just as good if not better Then I'm sorry or I apologize um But but I'm I don't land on either side other than I I I agree that it is In my point of view if it is heart fell like my bad, man That should be taken at the same way as I'm sorry, dude. You know that kind of thing Yeah Oh man, dude, there is a There is a term that you use that you have loved that I noticed you love it Catch your stance. It's your stance. I was just reading and I was that's one of my crutch words. Yeah Um, that I I never use drops to a squat any of that shit I try I I try not to but yes, it is a crutch word. I use it all the time 100 percent I was literally thinking that when I read when I read past it. I was like, yep, there's another one We've all got him. Yep Mine is uh, his eyes went saucer wide Mine's owl wide You're you're gonna see if you haven't already seen it you're gonna see it eventually Or as Gregor always picks on me Uh for her apple-shaped ass And do not take my cursor being placed certain areas, but I'm gonna change something Usually I just move it just to just to denote either where I am or whatever Barefooted pixie laugh it on my cheese. Well I won the the whole every time I read something about grilled cheese. I think about this um the whole reason why I got Why I got signed on to dark views or why I got invited to submit with dark views is their two sentence horror Contest and my two sentence horror that won by thousands above everyone else was going going down on her was like pulling apart a grilled cheese sandwich but I ate anyway, um And every time I think of a grilled cheese being pulled apart. I think of that visual image. So yeah Put that in the next section I miss red doe eyes as dope eyes. I was like, I don't think he'd say that Your insistence on calling this place a fair is killing me. That's all right. That's okay I couldn't remember what we agreed on but well, well, you know, um another thing. Um, A fair is only one time a year. Um, that was another thing that I was going to tell you about I just forgot to tell you it's usually, you know in october or you know in fall And uh, it's local event kind of thing. But yeah, this is fine. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fuck with it Um, I had to turn my air down. I'm tired of hearing that Hum and hiss of it though Good job With a dull red handkerchief I literally said I literally said Now brown cow It's literally fucking It's literally fucking gentilly Uh, anyways, I I think that might even be my line, but I just find it funny that I said it earlier and I was And I come across it it is because when she we she was introduced that's just her yeah, I mean she does it so much Yeah, the the rhyming It's not rhyming slang. That's that's london stuff, but uh cockney Is it cockney rhyming? So I can't remember. Anyways, it doesn't matter luna only time about around here we say When we say brown cow is brown Damn it. How you gonna you glitched right right when you said it say it again In my house the only time we say brown cow is if someone says brown chicken brown cow Do you know that one? No, I don't honestly No, I'm never because it sounds like brown chicken. Wow. Like oh, oh We're gonna get it on brown chicken brown cow. That's that's a good one. I like that. I'm gonna steal that brown chicken brown cow Because I also like uh boots and pants and boots and pants and boots and pants. I'm gonna throw this in there That's right I think I just left it the same thing We we read it the same speed obviously not right now because I'm too busy laughing, but yeah That's a good one Oh god, my dyslexia is killing me. I just read fisting for food uh That's one way to get a meal. I guess fuck. I can't do that one Can't do that one. I'm gonna change that to show Or carnival or something. I don't know But we are in see the thing is is we are in Shane's head and Shane can think of it as a fair Because he he's not gonna know the difference at this point in time Oh, I like that nice little rhyme to make it easier to remember. I like that I didn't that's not purposeful. It's not of course. It's not fucker. You just do this shit If I saw that I probably would have taken it out It it works. It's it's the kind of thing that you know They do they make up things so to make it easier to remember It's like a Samuel Jackson in the long kiss. Good night where he where he sings everything so he remembers it I'm gonna put my keys in my pocket Put my coat on the door or whatever that he sings I haven't seen it in years. Uh, it's that's one of my favorite action movies period I love amnesia movies like that Jason Bourne series all that shit Gregor will tell you that this is one of my Uh crutches also he sighs at length Instead of giving a long sigh all because an editor told me one time is like you say that they give a long sigh A lot so try to mix it up like he sighs at length or whatever. So that's that's all editor's shit giving me a crutch to To get rid of a crutch It's like you're doing it on purpose. It's like you're doing it on purpose. You know, there's this wonderful thing called uh Um It's called replace all And it's easy to use I'm sorry Oh, oh, that's good shit. Oh, it's hilarious Uh Ew Oh I like that bite your tongue mingo bite your tongue. Ah, yeah him and his weird any Any shit I'm making note of this Because when we need to go back and do if uh, carla grabs him in a new pair of shoes Uh, either we need to cut it or changes like He can be like I already have it Like that never mind Think about what you Yes, just because that works for it's like just put never mind and then Just leave the rest of it. Uh, think about what you want to think about perspective. It's all about it. Everything is catch my drift. Yeah Uh Or yeah, just no it doesn't doesn't need it Never mind. Uh, well, I just did you see the sentence I put in Yeah, he looks down at my new shoes. That's what I'm saying, but uh, I was saying never mind But no it works without the never mind Yeah, I love that shit That's good. Shit It could be even funnier if we did uh, the gummies fucking colorblind anyways, he's fucking colorblind I don't know something like that Is there an extra space in there? Yeah, there was okay. I don't know if you're gonna like this next part or not, but all right Well, it doesn't matter. I'm with with your stuff. I pretty much just go along with it Unless it's like glaringly wrong or something that I know we might get pinned for with a acquisitions editor. Oh, that's a bold one calling him out right in front of his boy You've been trying to bond upon gummy off on us since he got here No Yeah, oh God damn it. No, but we don't have to we don't have to keep it. I just I just kept thinking of the word the the the name gummy and yeah, that's what I was getting at with Later on when Shane was like, yeah, I don't want to know or some shit like that. I can't remember But uh, yeah, that that's what I was getting at with that name. So you You followed the path that I was going down So I like it is what I'm saying. Stop. All right. Just keep the shit. Chad keep it Monkey eyed man is a bully Yeah, Shane, you ain't the only one that likes how mango handles buzz Why do they call him gummy? Just me kid, you don't want to know. Yeah, that's that's I mean, that's that's it. Yeah The all those illusions and you didn't say shit You didn't well you you said more than what's on the page and that's that's perfect That that's just that's yeah with our powers combined anyways It's funny that chantilly is with boobs get it Yeah, chantilly with hanging out with boobs is kind of yeah kind of on point, but I like it Not hanging out not hanging out when you see how I get when you know He's looking at how they they're barking to get people to come in but I know they're not in the same place It's it's very cool that you've picked up on certain things um Like, you know, it does take charisma to run these rides But some of you know and bring people in but some of these rides run themselves Like you're never going to catch buzz barking because people are going to ride the the ferris wheel no matter what It's like people are going to come to the bumper cars no matter what But it does make you more popular and earn you more money if you have the charisma to do it So that's the difference between like an operator and a you know and an operator with showmanship kind of thing all right, I'm going to change this to a trio of teenage girls and their guy pal after That because I don't want the repetition of next Are up next next up So anyways, uh, I think that's me, but I like that mock nothing Yeah, that's you See, I get it's like I I'll be like, oh, that's a good line Chad must have wrote that and then I have to remind myself like wait, never mind. You wrote that one Instead of just assuming that I wrote everything. That's how much ego I have I don't even remember what the fuck I wrote to begin with so it doesn't matter what's your change At this shit. I'm like, oh, that's a good line. Sometimes it's you sometimes it's me See this this is this is something you will never catch me right in a first draft. This is this is First second draft shit um Because the big words I don't I just go through with the smallest That's what I'm talking about with word vomit. It's like, you know, there's nothing in my stomach I'm just like getting it up And then, you know, I go back I read some more and read something that kind of like, you know Parallels what I'm writing and then I can go back and you know add the add the five dollar words that, you know Do a better job than the 50 cent ones Is that one it is one word, huh? I had no idea Hey, I catch your stance I forgot to take one of them out Hang on. I'm doing it. I'm gonna do I'm gonna do the work here One point libel to pull our balls I don't know why I found that funny, but it hit me just the right way. Yeah, that was fun Okay, yes Very cool. All right. Hey zoop How you doing? E you got to use the word rump sometimes no I will not because that is a very specific thing that my friend put in his books because He knew what was going to happen with it. So it was all on purpose He also had an aversion to certain words So There's a reason for it. That's why I don't pick on him about it and But yeah Okay, all right, I'm done. I need a break. I've already been in this chair for an hour and 37 minutes So I will be back in 15 and I'm jumping right into that Carla going to town getting a new shoe seam Okay, sorry. I didn't say hi to anybody. I was he sounds like Reverse century. Good morning, Alec Pedro Good morning All right, let's get to work Every day I'm hustling every day I'm hustling I'm doing the scene where uh, they're checking for stragglers again and um Shane checks down the coke. It's it's there Um, I thought it'd be cooler if we Had him just about ready to do that like the next time he he's actually able to check on the coke It's not there, which would be you know down the road, right? Um So as he's trying to Maybe he's uh buzz ends up in there to confront him knowing that they'll be alone Can you think of a something to like add just more like uh, I hate this guy Like to have the reader just like uh because at this point How how about he walks in sorry, I you just you gave me an idea is like he walks in Going uh, like he literally has been waiting for this buzz has been waiting for this moment to get Shane alone So he really puts, you know, he even goes harder on him than he has in public Is like, you know, you stay away from sam a fucking kill you maybe that kind of I don't know something along those lines To really I agree with you really cement That but you know, it's like but this also give us the give the reader the It would denote that buzz has been watching him the whole time So when he sees him go into into the fun house Buzz, you know takes his takes the not the initiative takes the opportunity to go in after him Then you know without stating that that that would denote to the reader that he's been You know waiting for this moment kind of deal without even having to say that but anyways, continuing what you're saying, but yeah Yeah, I also like the fact that because every time he's been in um, Shane's face has He's had Shane's had someone back him up. He's had mingo back him up once or twice He's had Sam back him up and he hasn't had that that uh, I wanted to have that like feeling of you know, just like Uh, I don't know like he's alone one of my what's what's he gonna do now? What's how's he gonna deal with this? Kind of thing right nobody's there to to save him this time or whatever And then yeah just cement that and have have him check the coke first and as he's coming out of that area And that way later, you know, don't make it obvious. I didn't want him to be be able to check the coke at all Okay. Oh, okay. All right. All right, because I feel like I feel like if you Yeah, like I like he knows it's there no reason to check it I think that the the when he does finally go to check it. He's like He's not going to check it. He's going to get it out of there. Finally, right right rid of it He found a way to you know, everybody's in bed. He feels more comfortable walking around Here's my chance And then when when it's there or when it gets there it's not there I'm also going to put the first phone call in this chapter with karla Um, I'm gonna have go ahead and get that out of the way since they're going on the run now That makes sense and I believe I set that up later So I might just go ahead and grab that section and drop it here Because I'm setting up, you know, uh, I can't remember when mingo see this is this is the reason why I need to go back and read the whole thing again I can't remember when mingo tells him that they go on trips into town Um, so I'll I'll set all that stuff up here instead. I'll try and find it and just move it Um, I can't remember when that fuck that is is that before they Anyways, I'll find it But yeah, I like your idea. Yeah, definitely a hundred percent um, he wouldn't he wouldn't actually go in there to try and Do anything until he's ready to get rid of it. He says, uh, he slaps my arm hard enough to rock me to one side I'm just josh and you kid howls of laughter commenced, but seriously I was getting to that a land run is basically like when your parents see you on errands. We ain't got nothing like that uh The general store on site so every once in a while we got to run into town to resupply tomorrow is that day All right, let me let me do it. Where where is that that's your cursor? That's in the chapter. I'm working on it right now every day Right, but where oh my cursor is okay right here your cursor's on it now. Okay But you could just yeah, I'm gonna copy and paste it I'm gonna move it. Um, I'm gonna take the tomorrows out and put next door to our business is just uh Okay Also, I think uh mingo being in there and almost being kind of like what do you you know? What are you doing like a suspicious look on his face that would Help with the red herring right as well. Exactly. Yes And that's why I was saying maybe have and I I like your idea better But that's why I was saying maybe have it's right after he checks the coke and he walks out and he bumps into buzz But I like your idea better because if buzz is in there then yeah Anyways, let me go whoever Yeah, I'm gonna looks like I'm gonna take a big chunk of this I'm gonna take Oh, I'm taking a huge chunk copy Good god now. I got to remember where the fuck I was because I already unhighlighted it. There it is. All right I just saw two good movies. You may have already seen them That I wouldn't recommend to you and anybody else uh That new uh, no one will save you. No Uh-huh. Yeah, I review that tomorrow. Okay on hulu and then um, we just did that for final guys last Tuesday. Cool. And then um Fresh I feel like I'm the only one who hasn't seen fresh. Yeah, I think I think you are the old the last person They would have watched it. Yes. Yeah Did you like them? I loved I love both of them I really did now no one will save you was very impressive You need to I need to send you the article about why there's no dialogue in it um, except for those two lines cool thing about that is It wasn't uh, I could see someone saying oh, it's like gimmicky. It just there's no there was no reason for no purpose Not no purpose for dialogue wasn't gimmicky at all. It's Sorry, you know Yeah, the the fact that she didn't have dialogue. There's nobody to talk to there's no reason to spell anything out for us in Dialogue so there's no reason for dialogue The writer director went on to say in the interview um that uh He got all the way up to the scene where she goes to the sheriff's or the police station And he had this whole back and forth everybody talking um this very tense scene And he realized that she hadn't said anything up until that moment and he was like She's not gonna say anything. Yeah, that that's it and it worked so fucking I go into great detail in the review But yeah, it'll be a that spit says more than any words would anyway. Yeah, exactly exactly. It was absolutely brilliant. I have never I've never seen a movie read a book anything with no dialogue. There's two Two words in the entire thing and it's her saying it and then another character repeating it Um, it's the I'm sorry stuff, but um anyways, and I was just I was so blown away by that Yeah, it was uh me too. I was pleasantly surprised And fresh of course, I I don't know what it is about cannibal stuff I I just I like cannibal stuff for some reason Whether it be cannibal holocaust or our cannibal series manhunter Ah damn it. I didn't I didn't grab enough of it. I have to grab some more Are you still over here? Yeah, you are all right And I also need to highlight everything I grabbed This is everything I grabbed so you can um Work out how to piece those two sections together or I can do it doesn't matter Okay I'm gonna take this sentence out The paranoia comes in spurts Oh god Oh god, I'm gonna have to take that. I I just wrote it. You didn't write that. Oh god It's a little I mean it makes sense, but if you're like me and your mind's always in the gutter Are you gonna read that go? Yep When you know something I miss from like old timey literature, um He ejaculated uh or she ejaculated That's so like that's such a big word that I know right is like it's just he said or he's spout Are you burst? I don't know anything other than that. I think jk Rowling used that in oh, yeah She she has yeah in the harry potter series, which is so strange because it's like you got to know when you're typing that word that Yeah I mean, I don't know how it is over there in the uk. Maybe maybe that's not really uh A bit, you know a big deal over there may not be I mean shoot. They say the the c word that i'm not gonna say that we That's used very sparingly here. That's like a yeah, they'll they'll call their friends that sometimes the term of endearment Yeah, they just throw that out all the time Oh, by the way, I'm um, I showed you the book that I had started but I'm um About 300 sub pages into duma key now Halfway And what was what book was you already forgot what book are you reading you showed it to me in everything? Yeah, I'm reading goblin. Oh, that's right. It screwed me up because I did I didn't catch the first part of what you said earlier I'll all I really caught because I was focusing on reading or something or talking or whatever it was All I caught was have you read this? And then we got on the discussion of that I just used something and I think it's because we were talking about no one will save you I'm quiet the entire ride into town. It's not that I don't have anything to say I'm quiet because I can't hear myself think over the dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun of the throbbing base Rattling everyone of pepito's loose screw screws Carla calls her car pepito I can't understand any of the lyrics, but I realize they're Spanish mom used to watch telenovelos on Telemundo every so often whenever I'd ask her why she watched them when she never learned Spanish She'd always give me the same excuse when the acting is good. You don't need to know what they're saying I think that I think that came from uh, no, uh, no one will save you We were just talking about that. But anyways I think my mom's been watching Those dude. I watched them growing up man. They are so much fucking fun, dude Me and my oldest will watch them on uh On hulu or something. I can't remember it was youtube or what it was But sometimes they'll just come in grab the controller and turn it over there And we'll sit there and watch and we have no idea what's going on No fucking captions nothing, but it is so goddamn entertaining. Yeah, don't need to know a thing What's going on sometimes we'll even like translate for them like make whole scenes out of it Like we'll do our own dubbing. Is it like funny like uh, it's not only funny It's not always funny. It's overly dramatic. It's it sometimes it is So entertaining to watch their reactions It's so different from American television and American actors really that it is it is Sometimes it is over the top not going live, but we have our own over the top shit here But a lot of the time man, it it's just so intense. They take things so seriously And it's like our you know our stories or uh soap operas kind of thing It is so intense. Sometimes it's hilarious, but sometimes you get involved. It's like No, he didn't do her like that that kind of shit, you know, so the writing is is decent. Oh, oh, yeah Man, there's always something wild going on. There's always somebody it's just it's a soap opera It's the same thing But it is like I said it is over the top But it is so intense and it's just so much fun to watch it. Where do you watch that? I believe I believe I'll have to check with dan, but um, I think the last couple That popped up that they brought up was uh was on youtube But I know there's a streaming service. It might be netflix. I'll ask them and I'll get back to you tomorrow But uh, yeah, we watched several of them, man There was one we spent six hours one night just watching those things and that's all we did It was a almost I don't want to call it a bonding moment But we have so much fun watching them and I'm neither neither one of us Now I I can catch things here and there and I'll tell them, you know, I grew up in california Most half my friends were hispanic. So I catch things here and there Um, but uh, and I'll tell them I like okay, they're talking about this or they're talking about that or whatever and Sometimes I know what they're saying and it still makes no sense in context of the scene So I don't know if I'm translating wrong or if it means something in a different context or whatever But uh, it's it's really fun. It's like, okay. I know what that word means, but that's not what's going on here Is like they said diamond. No one's name is diamond and there's no diamonds in the scene What the fuck is going on, but it is hella entertaining It is absolutely gorgeous women on those two. Oh, oh, yeah Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, but it's it's both it's both too. Some of the dudes are absolutely stunning But the funny part is one one of the dudes The one that we like to watch and I can't remember I can't remember the name of it But the dude is just absolutely butt ass ugly But he has this mullet this long flowing luscious black mullet And every woman in the show is just it's so enamored with him And we had to look up why and it's because he's a soccer player Like it's not because of what of what he's doing in the show But because he plays soccer and he's like a national fucking hero. I'm like, okay, whatever But yeah, but by the end of it he cuts his hair So I think it's like a fish out of water kind of scenario where he comes into this rich culture And um, he looks the way he does but even after he cuts his hair the dude is dog ass ugly in my opinion But all the women just swooned and and he's like he's chasing after the mother and the daughter at the same time And the mother and the daughter are both fighting over him And at the same time the husband has no idea what's going on But he's the husband's best friend and then the husband ends up getting shot and killed over whatever I have no idea what's going on There's some guy walks in and the husband's sitting behind a desk and he pops and shoots him three times and then just walks out Never seen the dude before we have no idea what's going on then uh The one dude the dude with the mullet finds the body And then they're all arguing and screaming back and forth and I have no idea what's going on But it's so fucking entertaining and I'm enthralled. I want to know what happened to the dude anyways Yeah, I get a I get I get a little excited about those things. I love I love Love love that shit and I will I'll tell you the exact name and where you can watch it Because we even had to look up the title The boogeyman will be uh airing this week on hulu Stephen King's boogeyman Yeah, I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna review it. I just Yeah, we're gonna watch it for final guys It's weird because when we were um There's a movie called what the frick movie was that was it dash cam I don't know. I've seen dash cam, but I don't I don't know. I love dash cam. It's hilarious and creepy Um, it's a really good movie. It's a really fucking good movie. Great fun footage. Yeah, uh But we on final guys we had the director on and he was He was pressed for time. So he was while he we were doing was that jeb Uh, the same guy who did host right? Host host. Yes. Yeah, not not dash cam. It was host. It was host. Yeah jeb jeb savage Yeah, he was on the show cool and he was pressed for time And uh, he was doing all this setup stuff for boogeyman Um while we were doing he was telling us about he directed He did that one. Yeah, I had no dude. I'm all okay. I had no idea. I thought it was just another fucking one off Short story someone picked out of the blue like grandma and all that other stuff that they just utterly destroyed now. I'm excited for it Yeah, and so now it's weird because and they had to remind me of the other day They're like, don't you remember when we interviewed so-and-so does like Yeah, but he's like, yeah, he did uh Rob Savage Oh, yeah. Yeah, and jeb shepherd is the writer. That's the one because I was uh, I talked back and forth. Um Talked back and forth with him on twitter. Um, but yeah, rob savages director jeb is the writer one of the writers I also know the the lady one of the lady writers and I can't remember her name, but uh, anyways, I gotta get back to work Well, we'll talk more later because we got like I got like 30 minutes left to to write and I haven't gotten anywhere Um, I think I'm gonna make her I want to do somebody's blowing up my phone. Hang on I think I'm gonna make her Guatemalan Oh my god, this shell like her and the cat fight over her Her chair Good god Oh, shit. I gotta get going. All right, hang on um Okay How'd it go because I gotta go get ready Dan to their Interview But uh, anyways, thank y'all for oh god. Y'all been talking asses off. I'm sorry. I missed everything Um, but it's nothing you'd be interested in. It's about the bible. Okay. I got you. All right. Um, thanks for the Spark notes version. But anyways, uh, thank you guys for joining us Appreciate it. We'll be back tomorrow at nine o'clock 31 days of halloween is in full effect So y'all go make sure you go watch those videos give them the support and everything Uh, Chad's also been streaming on twitch Uh, when we aren't writing He is writing not all the time but follow his ass on twitch I've been streaming on twitch about uh one to two times a day. Yeah, I get the I didn't notification But you're always live when I'm in the middle of something. But anyways, uh, yeah Go follow him on twitch give him the love and support that you that you give me Um, but until next time enjoy your spaghetti dreams. See y'all tomorrow. Bye. Bye